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pornlaw
02-15-2011, 08:34 AM
I hope Xbiz has not found our id info and put in their story. I am trying to hold on to my identity here.

XBiz wouldnt reveal anyone's personal identity. It would be a story about how the site allowed a breach to occur.

But thats why I am asking, do you (collectively the cam girls of this site) want this story to "break" so there's a wider audience so that other people know what happened ? Online personal information security is an issue that almost no one in the adult industry takes seriously.

CamWhore
02-15-2011, 08:48 AM
xbiz might want to contact us directly, are we not humans with voices?

Dancing Days
02-15-2011, 08:49 AM
"When we release our IDs to a website, we expect them to be professional enough to not keep these documents in an open directory on the internet where anyone can access them. CamWealth responded to our privacy concern by saying that IDs are 'basically useless' and 'public information' but they seem to have missed the point of our concern. Adult webcamming is based on anonymity. The girls that do this regularly as a source of income are usually cyber stalked and receive threats of hacking and blackmail. The fact that CamWealth takes this as a joke and doesn't even contact their models about this breach shows that camgirls should be more careful in whom they put their trust."


Quote that.

pornlaw
02-15-2011, 08:53 AM
xbiz might want to contact us directly, are we not humans with voices?

Yes that would be the point of me asking.... I dont want to send them to this thread if the majority of women posting here do not want to be contacted or have this brought to light.

CamWealth
02-15-2011, 09:00 AM
Important Message To Our Models,

We have been asked by one of our models to post a formal reply. Before doing so I have read every post on the matter. To Start I would like to say I am nothing less than disappointed with the issue.

There is nothing more important to our company then security towards our models. I am very sorry this has happened and caused any stress or concern to the models who work on our site. I have lost a few nights of sleep myself.
We run a professional business and we do not take this matter lightly at any point. We are taking every effort to ensure situations like this never happen. Our understanding is that this was done to a few other sites like ours. We are in contact with them to discuss the matter and see how we all can work together to end further attacks.

We would never at any point compromise our models private info. From what we have heard this was an attack from a cyber bully who has been harassing one certain model for years and this certain person may have a female involved in the matter. It’s very hard to pin point the exact facts on that. There is also talk that since our site was not the only one hit that there is a competitor making personal attacks to any of the sites in the same category.

We are doing everything we can to research the reason and who. I also wanted to touch base with you on a few things you can do to protect yourself on yahoo.

Ways a Cyber bully can gain access to your comp.
1. Never open your cam to just anyone. Unless you know the customer, friend, this is a major risk. When a person is new to you on yahoo do not open the cam unless they have paid you and prove themselves to be a real customer with only the intentions of a cam show.
2. Never click links people send you. If you would like to find out what the link is copy and paste it into your Google browser and see what the search finds first.
3. Never open a send file request.
4. Never assume people are who they say they are. Remember is very easy to make new yahoo names and for cyber bullies to pretend to be owners of sites you work for or a model that says she works for the same site. When this happens click the yahoo contact of the company you work for and see if the same conversation is there if it’s not it’s a cyber bully, ban and block him/her right away. Don’t be too shocked if they get a new name and come back at you once again just block and ban them.
5. When an issue with a cyber bully happens don’t help him spread others info, contact the site right away and make them aware to get the issue fixed. The faster it’s corrected the less damage to others. A cyber bully can prey on the grapevine and only helps him along his attack.
6. Free Preview, we understand some models do this but please remember it opens your connection to attack.
Some may ask what a cyber bully is.

A cyber bully is anyone trying to force you into what they want with fear. They prey on scaring you and showing you they can gain unwanted info on you if you do not do what they say. A cyber bully unfortanuly can have some skills to just scare you enough. A cyber bully feeds off the fear, the more you ignore him the better.

We are here to help you in any way and would like you to remember our company went into business to make a change, our idea came about because a few of the owners where cam models. The idea was to work as a team not as a Ship run on one persons command. As fellow cam models we understand your side, feelings and concerns.

Feel free to contact us via email also. We have contacted our models through email and some have reported not to have gotten it, please make sure you check your spam folder so you are not missing any important updates.
Thank You CamWealth.com

Dancing Days
02-15-2011, 09:08 AM
This doesn't sound like an apology. It sounds like shifting blame.

BustyAmeera
02-15-2011, 09:21 AM
Definitely NOT an apology, and I am not impressed. One long pointless post to waste more time.

TheBrownFox
02-15-2011, 09:24 AM
What site does camwealth support again? Was it the adult cam girl network?



Yes, formerly known as 'Yahoo! Cam Girls Online'.

Dancing Days
02-15-2011, 09:38 AM
HERE IS WHAT THE CAMGIRLSPOT WEBMASTER TOLD ME VIA EMAIL!

Did they post this publicly?

Just because they were hacked, does not mean that we were hacked. I think they are just trying to shift blame by saying "other sites got hacked too"

I don't have any actual confirmation from anyone that is on our site that can be identified as a hacked account. Our site is very secure, much more secure then other sites.

bun
02-15-2011, 09:55 AM
Are you fucking serious.

For those of us who aren't on a forum, what happened.
Those of us who are have an even more convoluted version of the facts.

This is what I need from a camwealth email

1) this is what happened
2) this is what we did to fix it
3) this is who to contact if some shitfuck contacts you
4) I AM SORRY THAT I AM AN ASSHOLE WHO STORED YOUR IDS IN AN UNSECURED DIRECTORY
5) This is why I put your IDs in an unsecured directory.


I don't want some vague email that ends in some bullshit about cyberbullying. I know not to click on links and do stupid stuff online. Apparently camwealth does -not-. This "this could happen to everyone" vagueness is not something I appreciate. It didn't happen to everyone, it happened to you, you suck. Tell us about it, tell us why.

bun
02-15-2011, 10:01 AM
As of right now, I am assuming the worst

That up until a few days ago, I could find my ID in
www.camwealth.com/modelID/jane.jpg


Also, I apologize for my previous cussin'. I was in the mood and pissy about the email. ;)

amberluv
02-15-2011, 10:08 AM
they had the ids.... online?


...

...

okay we have to get together to file a lawsuit. thats BEYOND reckless

Juliette25
02-15-2011, 10:12 AM
This is fucking absurd. I'm done with camwealth forever. Closing my account today.

Would the law suit be against the site for the poor security?

amberluv
02-15-2011, 10:14 AM
Yes and storing very private information on an unprotected webpage.

bun
02-15-2011, 10:18 AM
Mmm, it wasn't on a webpage, it was in an "Unsecured Directory" from what I understand, and now that directory is "secured".

That's from what I understand, though. Without HARD SOLID FACTS, my mind is forced to imagine. Without an official statement that tells me what happened, I think of the worst things imaginable. :(

neliana
02-15-2011, 10:44 AM
I actually liked working with camwealth but Im going to have to take my profile off of there with all of this going on...I feel violated how could they be so careless with personal info?! Im very scared that someone will show up at my door, or something, this is really not cool. Oh, and that "apology" doesn't begin to fix this huge mess. All I want to know is how I can get the last of my money and gtfo that site!

misselise07
02-15-2011, 11:05 AM
I swear with camwealth I had to upload my Social security card....I don't exactly remember though.

Dancing Days
02-15-2011, 11:11 AM
I swear with camwealth I had to upload my Social security card....I don't exactly remember though.

I definitely didn't have to do that. They only have my Passport.

Dancing Days
02-15-2011, 11:24 AM
I'm on the phone with a detective from my state's Cyber Crime Unit. I'll let you girls know what they say.

amberluv
02-15-2011, 11:25 AM
Im going to call my local one as well, i'll keep you all posted.

Dancing Days
02-15-2011, 11:41 AM
"6) By logging on, I will have released and discharged the providers, owners and creators of this site from any and all liability which might arise."

"13) Disclaimer - Camwealth.com and affiliated sites, including its officers, directors, agents, subsidiaries and employees is not responsible for any incorrect or inaccurate content posted on the site or in connection with the Camwealth.com and affiliated sites service, whether caused by users, members or by any of the equipment or programming associated with or utilized in the service, nor for the conduct of any user and/or member of the Camwealth.com and affiliated sites service whether online or offline. Camwealth.com and affiliated sites assumes no responsibility for any error, omission, interruption, deletion, defect, delay in operation or transmission, communications line failure, theft or destruction or unauthorized access to, or alteration of, user and/or member communications. Camwealth.com and affiliated sites is not responsible for any problems or technical malfunction of any telephone network or lines, computer on-line-systems, servers or providers, computer equipment, software, failure of email or players on account of technical problems or traffic congestion on the Internet or at any website or combination thereof, including injury or damage to users and/or members or to any other person's computer related to or resulting from participating or downloading materials in connection with Camwealth.com and affiliated sites. com site and/or in connection with the Camwealth.com and affiliated sites service. Under no circumstances Camwealth.com and affiliated sites , be responsible for any loss or damage resulting from anyone's use of the site or the service."

READ THIS.

Juliette25
02-15-2011, 11:44 AM
"6) By logging on, I will have released and discharged the providers, owners and creators of this site from any and all liability which might arise."

"13) Disclaimer - Camwealth.com and affiliated sites, including its officers, directors, agents, subsidiaries and employees is not responsible for any incorrect or inaccurate content posted on the site or in connection with the Camwealth.com and affiliated sites service, whether caused by users, members or by any of the equipment or programming associated with or utilized in the service, nor for the conduct of any user and/or member of the Camwealth.com and affiliated sites service whether online or offline. Camwealth.com and affiliated sites assumes no responsibility for any error, omission, interruption, deletion, defect, delay in operation or transmission, communications line failure, theft or destruction or unauthorized access to, or alteration of, user and/or member communications. Camwealth.com and affiliated sites is not responsible for any problems or technical malfunction of any telephone network or lines, computer on-line-systems, servers or providers, computer equipment, software, failure of email or players on account of technical problems or traffic congestion on the Internet or at any website or combination thereof, including injury or damage to users and/or members or to any other person's computer related to or resulting from participating or downloading materials in connection with Camwealth.com and affiliated sites. com site and/or in connection with the Camwealth.com and affiliated sites service. Under no circumstances Camwealth.com and affiliated sites , be responsible for any loss or damage resulting from anyone's use of the site or the service."

READ THIS.

Did you talk to someone about this? Are we screwed?

bun
02-15-2011, 11:47 AM
Liability is something that is very hard to waive!

pornlaw
02-15-2011, 12:16 PM
Liability is something that is very hard to waive!

No liability cannot be waived. In California protection for consumers (including cam girls) from security breaches can not be waived. Its specifically written into the state's statute.

Just because someone puts something into a contract doesnt make it valid or enforceable.

Dancing Days
02-15-2011, 12:35 PM
*phew* Okay, so... I will copy & paste what I told Amberluv about this.

CyberCrimes unit said that either the site's security was breached and THEY have to report it (but we can do it on their behalf) OR they just had our stuff in an open directory and we can't do much about that in terms of criminal court.

He suggested I contact someone that specializes in identity theft.

We NEED to get the fully story of what happened before we continue. Was this stuff just in an open directory and they're bullshitting us or did they really get hacked?

BTW - is there anything in the agreement that says they have responsibility to protect our information or is that just a given?

roast
02-15-2011, 12:45 PM
Thanks for notifying and pursuing this everyone - I havent been on the forum in ages, I was contacted by the same screen name listed here maybe a month ago... haven't had any recent contact with them though, but am angered by this

Thanks for notifying us CamWhore, I'm sorry this happened to you, but I appreciate you sharing it with the rest of us.

Good luck everyone, thanks for being proactive

BeautifulDisaster
02-15-2011, 12:54 PM
Just curious, were any girls that were on either of these sites that had a breach of security owed any money?

missginger
02-15-2011, 01:04 PM
I have not saw any socials... but then again i didnt click on all the links... for the most part, identification & profile pics

I saw a few of social security cards, but yes for the most part there were just licenses/ids and the profile pics.

To be honest once I found my own info I just stopped looking through the list.

Dancing Days
02-15-2011, 01:15 PM
virtualworldent: Thankyou for contacting support how can I assist you?
me: I would like to know where your offices are located.
me: As in, where you are operating from.
virtualworldent: We have 3 offices however if your looking for an address you can use google to perform a whois on the site you are curious about and there is the company contact information
me: It would've taken less time for you to just say Georgia
me: I understand you are looking for legal representation. I am just wondering why that is.
virtualworldent: I beleive that is the mailing address for letters yes
virtualworldent: I do not know those details
me: What details do you not know? Don't you work for the site?
me: You talked to other girls as if you have some authority
virtualworldent: I am an employee yes but not the owner
me: Then how do I reach the owner?
virtualworldent: via the mail.
me: As in USPS?
virtualworldent: if it is in regards to the security matter yes if not send an email to [email protected]
me: Listen, I can get in contact with a Fortune 500 company easier than I can get in touch with you guys. Just tell me where the company is based. I KNOW that you know this information.
me: AND I also know that YOU know that there's been a security breach and that you must know something about. Seeing as how MY personal information was compromised, I have a right to know.
virtualworldent: I am not permitted to give personal information and the information you are asking for I have already given you how to access it
virtualworldent is typing...
virtualworldent: I know a formal letter is being places on the site shortly
me: It's the site's responsibility to take proactive measures to let us know. Is the "formal letter" the same thing that was written on StripperWeb.com?
[CamWealth stops responding]
me: .....
me: What? Nothing?

CamWealth
02-15-2011, 01:33 PM
This is to serve as notification to all affected by this breach of our security Please review the full details located here

CamWealth
02-15-2011, 01:36 PM
In that notification you can find our contact information in regards to this matter. We still and always will regard our system as the best for service and have done all steps we can and are required to by law.

Dancing Days
02-15-2011, 01:38 PM
In that notification you can find our contact information in regards to this matter. We still and always will regard our system as the best for service and have done all steps we can and are required to by law.

What you are required to do is KEEP OUR PERSONAL INFORMATION OFF THE INTERNET for any vindictive moron to see. But I guess THAT part isn't included in your spiel about "caring for your models"...

Dancing Days
02-15-2011, 01:44 PM
I just re-read CamWealth's "formal apology" that was posted here earlier today.

"I have lost a few nights of sleep myself."

Didn't you find out about this YESTERDAY? So how the hell could you lose 'a few nights of sleep' if you didn't know about it until yesterday?

Um....

CamWhore
02-15-2011, 01:54 PM
this is turning into a drama queen fest.

everybody is fucking forgetting about the hacker <<<<

yes camwealth made a mistake, but how many times can you crucifix one guy in one thread...

the real issue is hackers, thats who really needs to be prosecuted.

I dont really need a response...

and also, i told you guys just to inform you, nto for this to get into a mess.....

im starting to feel like most of you girls are just looking for some fast cash right now, and im not feeling that.


say what you want but i will tell you to fuck off kindly.

Juliette25
02-15-2011, 02:08 PM
If they're actually going to try and prosecute the person who did it then that changes things. Seeing them say that IDs were no big deal and all that bullshit is what set me off. Seemed like they were sweeping it under the rug.

CamWhore
02-15-2011, 02:16 PM
Do you guys even know if you are talking to an owner or employee?

no you guys don't. I have watched this thread turn into shit.

what was reported to you guys is what seemed to be gonig on at the moment, from bits and peices I was filled in on. I never siad any of this was facts.

I do believe whoever said it was no big deal is not the owner, just representation.

The man said he couldnt sleep, and neither could you if it happen to you.

My site was hacked in Nov, by a well known proffesional hacker.

Did my members sue me when they foound out thier persoanl info had been comprimised? NO. they had sympalthy, and told me they hope it got better for me, and take the time to clear my head.


from what I am reading, or even seeing, soem of you dont make that site money anyway, so who are you to take away....?


This is a small business we are talking about. Camwealth has always gave me the support I needed as a model.
Yes I was a little pissed with him, but not to the point I want to sue him. People do make mistakes, and I admit this was a stupid one but you bitches are jaded for money for real!

roast
02-15-2011, 02:20 PM
Is this information still available online? Was he linking to the public directory on the site or was he linking to his own personal site? Sorry to be shrill but this is honestly the primary question flashing in my brain

Those of you on the site who are concerned, you may want to set up a google alert of your real name in case the guy who found all of this originally from the root directory (its fairly easy to do, doesn't take much hacking at all if its a public directory & is not technically a security breach... if it was a private / pswd protected or hidden directory... or even offline on a hard drive, it is clearly a hacking issue) somehow posts it online. I just did it and spent wayyy too much time searching all of my info and have not found anything suspect, but you never know down the line.

Also, realize that even if it is not still public, he could have saved all of the ID information for future harassment. Even if it is harmless (probably) it still sucks and for me is a concern, so please remain on the alert. Screen cap, save info, check past chat logs, track his IP, whatever you may need

Dancing Days
02-15-2011, 02:23 PM
If they're actually going to try and prosecute the person who did it then that changes things. Seeing them say that IDs were no big deal and all that bullshit is what set me off. Seemed like they were sweeping it under the rug.

This is exactly how I feel.

I don't give a shit about the cash. I have my own. Litigation like this would most likely cost US a lot of money as well. Suing is unfortunately only one way that I can think of to stop this from happening again and it'll put a law on the books that says "Don't fuck with us."

salemsexy
02-15-2011, 03:16 PM
I would agree with cam whore this got way out of hand. At first i was upset too but after contacting them they showed they resolved the issue.

I have never had a problem with them and i have allways trusted them being on there site.

Whatever happened hacker or mistake i dont know but i have no reason to believe they wanted to hurt me. There post sounded pretty real to me and i was shocked they where willing to respond here to us. I don't think bigger sites would have done that or cared.

I like working there and like the income and they have allways paid me. I think they are a good site and we should give them a break.

Dancing Days
02-15-2011, 03:22 PM
I agree with you, Salem, but there's also the fact that we never found out exactly what happened. The site should've taken a lot bigger measures to make sure our information was safe and secure. They didn't.

YES, there is a hacker, but how are we going to find this shadowy figure? Unless there is a lawsuit or at least some sort of legal action, no subpoena will be served on the logs of the site to see who it was that did it. For all we know, it may have been someone from the site...but we won't know for sure, because nobody is doing anything to find out.

Let me break it down like this:

IF there was a breach of security and somebody did actually hack the site and crack down their password protection, it's possible to find out and CamWealth should have already contacted their local Cyber Crimes Unit about this. If this is truly what happened, they would not be held liable because they did everything they could to prevent it.

IF it was just an open directory that anybody could access, there IS NO HACKER. Technically, at least. Since it was open and not password-protected, they could simply say that and BINGO - no crime was committed. If this is truly what happened the hacker would not be held liable because the directory was open and anybody could access it. However, CamWealth could be held liable because they didn't do everything they could to protect your sensitive information.

IF the latter occurred, they could potentially be under water for HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, if not millions (depending on how many girls are on their site). They would go under water and never recover in 3, 2, 1.... See what I mean?


....The point I'm trying to make is, if CamWealth just took a few hours transferring all of the models' IDs into a physical file cabinet instead of having them on the site, this wouldn't have happened in the first place.

catgirl
02-15-2011, 03:25 PM
i like them too..

but, i'm not going to just say "okie dokie la de dah :D woopie"

it shouldn't have happened
why didn't the ***OWNER*** EMAIL us???

you might not care about your security..
but i sure as hell do

yes they made a mistake.. but comeon- we don't even know what exactly happened-
and they aren't telling us..

until then, i have no good reason for wanting to stay on the site
i will not work for someone who compromises my security and privacy
and i make GOOD money there

noone should have to explain why they would want to take these guys to court..
it shouldn't have happened..

bun
02-15-2011, 03:32 PM
You all know what the issue is, though. I am the recipient of rumors and a vague aplogetic email. The only reason I got that email is from you bitching to them.


I should hear about this from them, not you, CW. That's the shame. That is where my pissed off occurs. I don't givve a shit about money, I do give a shit about not knowing SHIT.

I have to research all the shit companies that were possibly hacked that didn't have to balls to tell me. I appreciate Camwealth balls a lot more than I appreciate the balls of these other sites... but I'm still pissed.

Did I mention the part about not even knowing if it's a hacker or bad security?
Shame.

kikiwiki
02-15-2011, 03:44 PM
I just cashed out my last check from CW. I'm done with them. After what happened yesterday and then I had issues getting a credit for my show(they now resolved it), I feel I can't trust them anymore. Sticking with NF for Indy for now. I feel so violated and the drama alone is enough to put me off.

salemsexy
02-15-2011, 03:58 PM
Camwealth did send out emails from what i saw once aware of the issues. I do not agree a hacker is there fault. We can sue them and then what? who stops the hackers? They just keeping going after us all till we sue all the sites we work for? Should someone sue camwhore because her site got hacked? Was she to blaime? I don't think so..

I think the blaime is being sent to the wrong places. I think people are picking a punching bag because there frustasted.

Weather is was a hacker or mistake in there system as cam whore said they fixed and resolved it once they where aware.. I can't find any of my personal info or other girls info online and i looked..

As cam whore said seems it the girls not making money on the site who wants to beat them down it's a very fickle attitude.. Today you like someone and tomarrow you hate them.

What happens when the indy sites are gone? we all just work per min sites and what get paid 30%? Big drop in income. Sounds like a witch hunt to me. these sites have one issue and we knock them down to the ground does that make sence? Not to me..

And the min xxx cam babes has a issue we go after them also. after they have been good to us also but nothing but today counts? a good track record should..

We feel like sites don't respect us but do we respect them? We make a mistake and we want them to treat us like a human being but do we treat them like a human or is it all one sided..

I think we get treated how we treat people. Maybe the more we are kind and understanding to the sites we work for they will do the same but hitting people with fighting words and breaking down everything they say is not going to get any of us far in life..

salemsexy
02-15-2011, 04:00 PM
I just cashed out my last check from CW. I'm done with them. After what happened yesterday and then I had issues getting a credit for my show(they now resolved it), I feel I can't trust them anymore. Sticking with NF for Indy for now. I feel so violated and the drama alone is enough to put me off.


so you allowed others to make your choice? I don't follow what others say unless im sure it makes sence.. I will keep working there..

catgirl
02-15-2011, 04:05 PM
/lockthread

please!!
unless it useful information- please don't post!!

NO MORE DRAMA :)

we are supposed to be together on this girls!

salemsexy
02-15-2011, 04:06 PM
i like them too..

but, i'm not going to just say "okie dokie la de dah :D woopie"

it shouldn't have happened
why didn't the ***OWNER*** EMAIL us???

you might not care about your security..
but i sure as hell do

yes they made a mistake.. but comeon- we don't even know what exactly happened-
and they aren't telling us..

until then, i have no good reason for wanting to stay on the site
i will not work for someone who compromises my security and privacy
and i make GOOD money there

noone should have to explain why they would want to take these guys to court..
it shouldn't have happened..


Alot of things should not happen but this is life wanting perfection from anything nots going to happen.. you act as if they did this to hurt us and wanted it to happen if thats how you really feel got to say grow up.

catgirl
02-15-2011, 04:11 PM
no way i did not say they did it intentionally,
but sometimes when you own a business and you fuck up, you pay the consequences..
i'm not saying that we should sue them,
just that if someone was harassed due to this leak i wouldn't think twice about taking legal action
that's all..
please don't tell me to grow up- i am 25, have owned my own business before (ice cream shop in the USA which i ran by myself for 3 years) i am not a kid.

salemsexy
02-15-2011, 04:21 PM
no way i did not say they did it intentionally,
but sometimes when you own a business and you fuck up, you pay the consequences..
i'm not saying that we should sue them,
just that if someone was harassed due to this leak i wouldn't think twice about taking legal action
that's all..
please don't tell me to grow up- i am 25, have owned my own business before (ice cream shop in the USA which i ran by myself for 3 years) i am not a kid.


then as a business owner you should be more open that you cant control things all the time. I'm sure they are doing everything they can to make sure these things dont happen if you serve one bad ice cream cone should all your customers never come back lol sorry thats kinda funny but you get my point..

I used to sell handbags myself and run into alot of crap. and it seems the business owner is kicked to hard as if there not real people.. if they made a mistake they fixed it done deal! I am not sitting here scared this hacker is coming for me. what do we do draw there blood? none of you seemed to care when they even tried to respond you just yelled at them i read the posts.. 25 or not adults cam still be childish!

catgirl
02-15-2011, 04:28 PM
we have a right to be upset..
i didn't yell at anyone, nor did i message/email anyone from camwealth
i just said i was pulling myself off the site..
....