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Laxman
02-21-2011, 03:55 PM
If that's the case than the customer should just LEAVE. If you go into a high end restaurant and and you see NOTHING you like on the menu you get up and try a different place. Not haggle the price of what IS on the menu because it doesn't seem worth the price to YOU.
I noticed all sorts of straw men are being created. I am not suggesting, customers should haggle. I honestly do not think most customers haggle. Pretty much all of the haggling in strip clubs is done by strippers. If the customer has determined that there are no Mercedes in the club, he should get out. I will agree with that. However, while he is waiting for his Mercedes, he should be left alone by Focuses.
DesuvsDeath
02-21-2011, 04:10 PM
^So you're suggesting that strippers become mind readers so they can already know if a customer thinks they "look good enough" and whether or not they should ask him for a dance?
Laxman
02-21-2011, 04:22 PM
^ Of course not. It is silly to assume that people can read mind, albeit it is possible to make educated guess at times. It is inevitable that at times a Focus who thinks she is a Mercedes will approach a customer. At times like this, the guy has to just turn down the offer as politely as possible. If she is being too pushy then by all means customer should state his reasons for turning her down. There is nothing wrong with it. This is business.
jack0177057
02-21-2011, 04:36 PM
d) Customers should not praise the looks of strippers as it does not do any good to anybody.
Again, you're confusing "pickup game" in the real world vs. being a customer in the SC. In the real world, I wouldn't praise a woman for her looks, unless I was already having sex with her.
But, in the SC, the dancer is providing a service - she's going to strip for me, grind on my junk, rub her boobs on my face... and there will be other heavy contact. If I act disinterested, she's going to: (1) think I'm gay (not that there is anything wrong with that), (2) be extremely bored and (3) switch to robot mode - and this will be lame.
If I show enthusiasm and customer appreciation (without getting creepy), the energy is much more positive and there will be more interaction. She'll "hustle" me with flirtation, place my hands on her boobs, etc. I play along with her game, she thinks she's reeling me in and gets more friendly and frisky. She flirts and gives me all her best lines. I keep playing along acting like I'm under her spell, so she keeps giving better and better dances - thinking she's going to empty my bank account. But, when my pre-allotted LDs budget is spent - I'm done, and no hustle is going to make me spend another dime.
It sounds to me like there is some bitterness in your attitude towards dancers. Perhaps you were mislead by the hustle, spent more money than you should have, and was disappointed by false expectations of OTC activity... You'll get past it.
Just enjoy the SC. Bring money. Leave all the "PUA gaming theory" at the door,... and just have fun, for Pete's sake.
DesuvsDeath
02-21-2011, 04:51 PM
^ Of course not. It is silly to assume that people can read mind, albeit it is possible to make educated guess at times.
How exactly are all these girls who don't meet your standards supposed to know to "leave you alone' while you're waiting for a "Mercedes"?
"However, while he is waiting for his Mercedes, he should be left alone by Focuses." Seems to imply that they're supposed to somehow know that they're not "good enough" for you.
How exactly are they supposed to make an "educated guess" about a strip club customer they've not spoken to?
It is inevitable that at times a Focus who thinks she is a Mercedes will approach a customer. At times like this, the guy has to just turn down the offer as politely as possible.
Your original posts seemed to imply that rather than turning dancers down... you tell them that they aren't worth the price they're asking through staring at parts of them you think are flawed...
That's neither polite nor actually turning them down.
Allice
02-21-2011, 05:20 PM
This thread is great. I'm picturing cars in g-strings hustling asshole custies, exhaust everywhere, cars sliding seductively down the pole.... :D
Laxman
02-21-2011, 05:27 PM
DesuvsDeath,
If a customer feels comfortable enough to point out physical flaws of a stripper to gain leverage over her, you can hardly blame him for that. This is a standard tactics that all business people deploy. When I go for job interviews, people point out my flaws to bargain down my asking rate. It is the nature of the beast. I personally would not point out their flaws unless they are being too pushy but that is because I am a nice guy.
There are ways a stripper can figure out if the customer is interested in her or not:
a) Is he checking you out?
b) Is he trying to make eye contact?
c) Did he look away when you approached him?
Body language is a powerful thing.
yoda57us
02-21-2011, 05:27 PM
^ The best things in life are free, my dear. Are you aware of that?
Do you do your job for free?
Laxman
02-21-2011, 05:31 PM
Jack,
I am not even remotely talking about PUA. What I am talking about is pure business. People should feel comfortable enough to turn down an offer and state the reason for doing so. This gives the other party a chance to rectify if possible the deal breaking issues.
Laxman
02-21-2011, 05:32 PM
Do you do your job for free?
Of course not. Why would you even think that?
Raider
02-21-2011, 05:36 PM
There are ways a stripper can figure out if the customer is interested in her or not:
a) Is he checking you out?
b) Is he trying to make eye contact?
c) Did he look away when you approached him?
Body language is a powerful thing.
Nevermind...beginning to think the only reason that this is going on is because someone wants attention that he can't get in a club.
DesuvsDeath
02-21-2011, 05:50 PM
You can't really make an educated guess based off body language in a strip club... Aside from the masses of socially inept men who won't confidently make eye contact or openly check women out... There are plenty of customers who look disinterested until you say "hello" who will then happily offer you a seat, a drink, and take you for an hour in the CR.
A dancer who is interested in actually making money will take the time to approach every single customer in the building regardless of whether or not he "looks interested" unless he's like... completely turned away when she's approached. LOL
Pointing out flaws is really neither necessary nor appropriate to this situation.
In a business where there is no guarantee on the quality of your purchased service (a lap dance) it seems like a good way to waste whatever amount you haggle your way down to on a shitty dance from a pissed off dancer.
I could see in a situation where a dancer won't go away or won't take no for an answer... "Look, I just don't find you attractive, I don't want a dance". But other than that. I don't see the point in pointing or necessity in out people's flaws to them.
Laxman
02-21-2011, 05:55 PM
Raider,
You are assuming that customers enjoy pointing out flaws in a stripper. That is just the last resort when everything else fails.
Regarding your choice of two 18-year olds:
I kind of knew you would go for that. The demographic you fall into is a sucker for young girls below 24. :)
princessjas
02-21-2011, 06:09 PM
rickdugan,
You have successfully created a straw man. I would like to state one more time; I am not proposing customers should be mean or cruel to strippers. All I am saying is both parties should be direct about it. If a stripper with an annoying sense of entitlement approaches you, who to make the matter worse is a Focus in your opinion, you have every right to turn her down while stipulating the reason for your decision because some flaws can be rectified rather easily. For example, there is nothing wrong with a customer saying, "I would like a dance with you provided you fix the bad breath issue." I mean this is a business and it should be conducted as such. You cannot have it both ways. Is it a business or not?
If you were talking to anyone but a stripper you would have enough damn respect to just decline, or point out a flaw in the product ie. the lapdance (I prefer higher contact girls, etc), instead of the seller. Also, why not be polite and just say something like, I'd love a dance, but why don't you go freshen up a bit first, you look like you've had a hard night and could use a minute to yourself. Heard a custy use this line on a girl who just got off stage once when the clubs AC was on the fritz and it worked beautifully without being super rude.
Laxman
02-21-2011, 06:09 PM
DesuvsDeath,
You may think pointing out flaws is unnecessary. But there are some hardened businessmen out there who will reflexively go for this tactic. Can you blame them? I think not. Why? Because it is business.
DesuvsDeath
02-21-2011, 06:12 PM
But it's not EFFECTIVE.
If you want a stripper to leave you alone... you say "I have no money" or "I'm not going to buy a dance from you"...
If you want a stripper to freak out and scream or possibly throw at you or want to have a bunch of strippers standing two feet away from you with all their friends talking about what you did and being obnoxious... you point out her flaws.
Raider
02-21-2011, 06:14 PM
[quote=Laxman;2061846]Raider,
You are assuming that customers enjoy pointing out flaws in a stripper. That is just the last resort when everything else fails.
That is not the position you initially took. You took the position that if asked and the lady did not meet your standards then you would decline and stare at her 'big nose' , her 'yellow teeth' or her 'small breasts' in order to let her know why she didn't deserve to spend time with someone as great as you. Trust me, they don't care why .....it is just whether or not you spend.
And actually they were 21 and 22....just didn't have the same ring to it. A sucker for young girls below 24??? Hardly...they got my money...and I got what I wanted. How does that make me a sucker????
Laxman
02-21-2011, 06:20 PM
princessjas,
In the case of a stripper, she is the product. Lap dance cannot exist without a stripper. And, another point to note is that if the stripper is not a good looking one then the grinding becomes a torture. So it is not about higher contact or lower contact, initially at least.
Laxman
02-21-2011, 06:28 PM
[quote=Laxman;2061846]Raider,
That is not the position you initially took. You took the position that if asked and the lady did not meet your standards then you would decline and stare at her 'big nose' , her 'yellow teeth' or her 'small breasts' in order to let her know why she didn't deserve to spend time with someone as great as you. Trust me, they don't care why .....it is just whether or not you spend.
Go back and read my posts again, carefully. Please. That scenario was described as one of the means to let a stripper know what her flaws were without being overtly cruel to her. It was an alternative to crudely saying, "Hey, I do not want a lap dance because you are cross eyed."
Raider
02-21-2011, 06:31 PM
How my day went at the club....
Her....Hi, my name is Mercedes....would you like some company?
Me.....Yes...would love some. You look nice.
Her....How about a dance? They are $25.
Me.....Sounds good. And as hot as you are....probably well worth it. You have a friend?
Her....Yes...I do ...as she motions friend over.
Me.....what is your name?
Her....Focus
Me.....How appropriate. You certainly aren't as hot as your friend Mercedes. Could lose a few pounds and you have a small gap between your teeth.
Her....I know. I feel fat but thanks for pointing out my faults. It makes me feel much better.
Me.....Your welcome....that is what I am here for.
Her.....May I still join you and Mercedes?
Me.....of course you can. But I can't pay you what I pay her....you just aren't worth as much.
Her....I know, I am just not worth it.
Me....I can goes as high as $21.75 but that it is it.
Her....Great....I totally understand...lets go play.
She was so happy...not only did I point out her faults so she could improve herself.....she still earned some money. Not as much as hot, hot Mercedes but then she didn't deserve it with those slightly smaller breasts and that damn gap in her teeth.
Laxman
02-21-2011, 06:36 PM
But it's not EFFECTIVE.
If you want a stripper to leave you alone... you say "I have no money" or "I'm not going to buy a dance from you"...
If you want a stripper to freak out and scream or possibly throw at you or want to have a bunch of strippers standing two feet away from you with all their friends talking about what you did and being obnoxious... you point out her flaws.
Customer should not have to say he does not have money when in fact he has money. "I am not going to buy a dance from you." If that line works then praise the lord or else ...
Well, the point is strippers should be mature enough to not freak out. This business is not for little girls. This business is for real women. This is the major theme but ironically folks are completely missing it.
rickdugan
02-21-2011, 06:37 PM
You are assuming that customers enjoy pointing out flaws in a stripper. That is just the last resort when everything else fails.
That is not the position you initially took. You took the position that if asked and the lady did not meet your standards then you would decline and stare at her 'big nose' , her 'yellow teeth' or her 'small breasts' in order to let her know why she didn't deserve to spend time with someone as great as you. Trust me, they don't care why .....it is just whether or not you spend.
This. Lax, first you spun the "point out her flaws" theory as a great negotiating tactic, then after receiving some grief you spun it as a public service where you were actually helping her. Now it is a last resort?
And btw, nobody here is creating a "straw man", but rather drawing the most logical conclusions from the information that you are providing. Though of course that information is becoming less concrete in each passing post. ;)
Your theories fail on all fronts in that there is never a situation where you need to point out a girl's personal flaws. It will never help you win her over, either through a PUA scam or with her coming back after "rectifying" the deal breaker. She will despise you, period. It is also not necessary to be inhumane when driving a persistent girl away - directness works just fine.
And the difference between other businesses and this is that what she is selling is essentially herself, so it is much more personal than if she was selling some other product or service. And fwiw, when I am declining a purchase for one of my two businesses and the reason for my choice of an alternative has to do with personality fits or other personal issues I usually use a generic "the other firm met my needs a bit better" or something else that would not serve as a personal insult.
princessjas
02-21-2011, 06:38 PM
^^ :rotfl:
As for Laxman, I'm done with this. You have completely changed around everything you initially said after we pointed out what a jackass you were. I despise people like that, so I'm ignoring this thread from now on. I would figure you were a zit faced 13 yr old, jacking off to this in a bathroom, but your particular form of slightly broken English is exactly like my ex fiancee's, who was actually from Algeria.
You are a fool, who is using an ineffective way of dealing with strippers (and people in general) that gets you less of what you want and hurts others (also reminds me of the general disrespect for women, particularly sex workers, that is common in that area of the world). That makes you a major FAIL as a human being, imo.
sananeko
02-21-2011, 06:39 PM
As I remember if a man wishes to point out a dancers flaws.. don't we have the right to do the same to the man?
Like with laxman. He points out to me that my flaws are pale skin, not enough cleavage, and my ass is bigger than a average size of a white looking female.
And I just smile as I say thank you to a man with his own personal taste and point out that he should show more respect cause even tho he thinks it a good idea to point out his flaws, it will only make it harder for him to keep his seat and get a dancer of his taste. Because if dancers hear of a man pointing out flaws and not buying dances they will stay away from him and talk to the bouncers saying hes causing dancers to be unhappy. I know they will not care if one dancer is unhappy.. but the almost the whole crew..
I hope I did that right.. I'm not very good at pointing out flaws..
BringOnTheMen
02-21-2011, 06:39 PM
You point out my "flaws," I tell the bouncer and you're gone.
However, if you tell a dancer she's not your type EARLY she will be appreciative. Early into my day shift a couple of days ago the club was DEAD and at the time there were two dancers and one customer. The other dancer finishes her set (as I'm putting my clothes back on after mine) and from the stage approaches the custy asking for a dance. He very politely tells her he's not into blondes. She thanks him for his tips, leaves the stage, informs me of this, and me and my raven hair swoop in. :)
You don't have to completely cross the asshole threshold to get shit from us too. You give some obviously bullshit answer (assuming you've been there for awhile), you will start to get harassed by the floor guys and ignored by the dancers.
princessjas
02-21-2011, 06:40 PM
Customer should not have to say he does not have money when in fact he has money. "I am not going to buy a dance from you." If that line works then praise the lord or else ...
Well, the point is strippers should be mature enough to not freak out. This business is not for little girls. This business is for real women. This is the major theme but ironically folks are completely missing it.
Thanks for stealing that general idea from me btw. :P
Laxman
02-21-2011, 06:43 PM
How my day went at the club....
Her....Hi, my name is Mercedes....would you like some company?
Me.....Yes...would love some. You look nice.
Her....How about a dance? They are $25.
Me.....Sounds good. And as hot as you are....probably well worth it. You have a friend?
Her....Yes...I do ...as she motions friend over.
Me.....what is your name?
Her....Focus
Me.....How appropriate. You certainly aren't as hot as your friend Mercedes. Could lose a few pounds and you have a small gap between your teeth.
Her....I know. I feel fat but thanks for pointing out my faults. It makes me feel much better.
Me.....Your welcome....that is what I am here for.
Her.....May I still join you and Mercedes?
Me.....of course you can. But I can't pay you what I pay her....you just aren't worth as much.
Her....I know, I am just not worth it.
Me....I can goes as high as $21.75 but that it is it.
Her....Great....I totally understand...lets go play.
She was so happy...not only did I point out her faults so she could improve herself.....she still earned some money. Not as much as hot, hot Mercedes but then she didn't deserve it with those slightly smaller breasts and that damn gap in her teeth.
Actually, that is how things go in the real world. Are you that naive to not know that? It is the job of strippers to deal with their emotions.
DesuvsDeath
02-21-2011, 06:46 PM
Please stop switching points every ten posts. Lol
It's just ridiculous.
BringOnTheMen
02-21-2011, 06:47 PM
I would figure you were a zit faced 13 yr old, jacking off to this in a bathroom, but your particular form of slightly broken English is exactly like my ex fiancee's, who was actually from Algeria.
Ugh now that I think about it Laxman reminds me of the Indian asshole who came in FOUR times, each time staying for 20-50 minutes, not tipping, not buying any dances and refusing to speak to me except for asking when all of the other girls would show up. He actually kept trying to go sit in the lapdance room (obviously, not allowed unless you're getting a lapdance!). All the while claiming he was "waiting for his friend." I could almost see smoke coming from the floorguy's ears.
Raider
02-21-2011, 06:49 PM
Kisca,
Both parties should be direct.
Here is a sample conversation:
Stripper: Hey baby! Would you like a dance?
Jack: How much?
Stripper: $10.00
Jack: Well ... that ... is ... a ... bit ... too ... much. <fix your eyes at the area of concern on her body, e.g. small tits, bad nose, yellow teeth, etc.>
Point is a guy has worked hard for his money. He has every right to be as direct as stripper.
HERE is your example of how things should be handled when a lady does not meet the standards of the customer.
Raider
02-21-2011, 06:54 PM
Actually, that is how things go in the real world. Are you that naive to not know that? It is the job of strippers to deal with their emotions.
Actually, she handled her emotions quite well. We all decided to get something to eat and she did tear up a little when I told her she could only have a salad (no dressing) because she was too fat. But she understood and thanked me once again for so nicely pointing out her flaws.::)
Laxman
02-21-2011, 06:54 PM
Please stop switching points every ten posts. Lol
It's just ridiculous.
I am not switching my points at all. Let me restate again:
It is foolish for customers to praise strippers in a strip club because it dilutes their bargaining power.
People took the above line and twisted it to mean that I was advocating hurling insults at strippers. Since then I have been clarifying what I meant. Some people on this board are way too emotional. They just do not seem capable of dispassionate discussion.
BringOnTheMen
02-21-2011, 06:55 PM
I don't know where you heard that that's how you should treat "real women." What real woman responds positively or even appropriately to anything you've suggested? Again, the type of behavior you're encouraging is only appropriate for inanimate objects, like used cars.
I understand that there is a difference between "little girls" and "real women" though. Little girls would get upset and cry at men pointing out their flaws (ironically, which might lead them to negotiating their prices :O ). Real women would just get pissed and tell the bouncer to have you gone. "Real women," btw, get periods, and IMO I tell a woman on her period that her teeth aren't straight enough for my taste on the PHONE much less in person.
Laxman
02-21-2011, 06:58 PM
Thanks for stealing that general idea from me btw. :P
Are you claiming that you came up with that line before I did?
Raider
02-21-2011, 07:00 PM
^^ :rotfl:
As for Laxman, I'm done with this. You have completely changed around everything you initially said after we pointed out what a jackass you were. I despise people like that, so I'm ignoring this thread from now on.
I would figure you were a zit faced 13 yr old, jacking off to this in a bathroom, but your particular form of slightly broken English is exactly like my ex fiancee's, who was actually from Algeria.
You are a fool, who is using an ineffective way of dealing with strippers (and people in general) that gets you less of what you want and hurts others (also reminds me of the general disrespect for women, particularly sex workers, that is common in that area of the world). That makes you a major FAIL as a human being, imo.
I am done too. Tried to stop a while ago but the stupidity of the comments lured me back in.
*Jade*Love
02-21-2011, 07:02 PM
It is foolish for customers to praise strippers in a strip club because it dilutes their bargaining power.
There is no bargaining in the strip club. What people are pissed about is that you stated in your first post that you cut dancers down because you believe it's a good tactic to get them to lower their prices. Which is such a manipulative, dickhead thing to do.
God this thread makes me so grateful for the kind, generous gentlemen I meet in the SC who actually treat dancers like human beings (and not cars...lol)
Laxman
02-21-2011, 07:07 PM
I am done too. Tried to stop a while ago but the stupidity of the comments lured me back in.
You have not added anything of value to this discussion. So the thread will thank you for leaving it alone. Enjoy your fantasies with two 18-year olds. Lord, that is so twisted.
rickdugan
02-21-2011, 07:07 PM
Lax, perhaps we have been a little hard on you. While your comments may have come across as a little shifty and inconsistent to us, they may simply be a product of much more nuanced thinking.
After all, as provided in your own words:
I know more about strip clubs than most people on this board.
Instead of berating you for what, on the surface, seems like a silly theory, perhaps we could instead sit at your feet and soak up those words of wisdom. :teacher:
A display of your "street creds" may help us to put aside our natural skepticism and allow you to educate us as to how pointing out dancers' flaws would be good for us as customers as well as for the dancers. ;D
Laxman
02-21-2011, 07:09 PM
There is no bargaining in the strip club. What people are pissed about is that you stated in your first post that you cut dancers down because you believe it's a good tactic to get them to lower their prices. Which is such a manipulative, dickhead thing to do.
God this thread makes me so grateful for the kind, generous gentlemen I meet in the SC who actually treat dancers like human beings (and not cars...lol)
This is life. Welcome to the real world. Are they kind generous men or are they suckers? This is a question worth pondering over.
Laxman
02-21-2011, 07:14 PM
Lax, perhaps we have been a little hard on you. While your comments may have come across as a little shifty and inconsistent to us, they may simply be a product of much more nuanced thinking.
After all, as provided in your own words:
Instead of berating you for what, on the surface, seems like a silly theory, perhaps we could instead sit at your feet and soak up those words of wisdom. :teacher:
A display of your "street creds" may help us to put aside our natural skepticism and allow you to educate us as to how pointing out dancers' flaws would be good for us as customers as well as for the dancers. ;D
Let us take a break and regroup tomorrow. I have to work tomorrow and it is already past 9pm, my bed time.
lopaw
02-21-2011, 08:50 PM
Well.....I hope all of you ladies are paying attention here because you all have obviously alot to learn about the stripping business from this "Laxman" person.
And I hope that you were all taking notes because there WILL be a quiz tomorrow.
Class dismissed!
:teacher:
velvet
02-21-2011, 08:55 PM
this guy reminds me of the old school posters, lover or dreamer. I have a feeling this is NOT a new member. Not saying that it is lover or dreamer but i have a feeling he's been here before.
I am not switching my points at all. Let me restate again:
It is foolish for customers to praise strippers in a strip club because it dilutes their bargaining power.
People took the above line and twisted it to mean that I was advocating hurling insults at strippers. Since then I have been clarifying what I meant. Some people on this board are way too emotional. They just do not seem capable of dispassionate discussion.
The original post was stating that complimenting dancers IF they are clearly
busy and you don't intend to spend money is annoying.You took a whole different turn when you mentioned the customers "bargaining power". In my world and I'm sure some of the other ladies would agree, the customer has no such power. The price is the price whether YOU think I'm a 10 or a 3.so....you really threw the thread of course with that bargaining shit.
DesuvsDeath
02-21-2011, 10:03 PM
Well, the point is strippers should be mature enough to not freak out. This business is not for little girls. This business is for real women. This is the major theme but ironically folks are completely missing it.
I am not switching my points at all. Let me restate again:
It is foolish for customers to praise strippers in a strip club because it dilutes their bargaining power.
My point is that apples are red.
I am not switching my points at all. Let me restate again:
You should never take an umbrella when it rains because that lets the rain think it's in control.
jester214
02-22-2011, 12:12 AM
Why have you all given this Laxman... person... 4 pages of responses?
sananeko
02-22-2011, 12:31 AM
Why have you all given this Laxman... person... 4 pages of responses?
cause some of us are bored.. and some of us thinks trying to correct someone on the net works..
CherryBomb954
02-22-2011, 02:45 AM
Am I the only one still waiting for Laxman's explanation on why he's such an expert on strip clubs?
lemiwinks31
02-22-2011, 10:19 AM
Am I the only one still waiting for Laxman's explanation on why he's such an expert on strip clubs?
yes..
kaiarose
02-22-2011, 10:52 AM
Why have you all given this Laxman... person... 4 pages of responses?
Come on jester!! This is like the most entertainment that's been on the site in awhile :P
Tdonuts
02-22-2011, 01:23 PM
Praising a stripper in a strip club is a bad idea. It simply diminishes your bargaining power. When you go to purchase a used car, you try to find flaws in the car so that you can use these to bargain down the original price. Customers should use the same tactics in a strip club.
Except....you're not "buying" the stripper as a person, you're buying a service.
Perhaps the correct analogy would be that your "renting" a car/stripper by the day/min. Hertz/Avis does not charge you less because there is a ding in the fender, or a scratch on the bumper. There are plenty of cars in the Hertz/Avis fleet....just pick another. It's $30 a day/dance either way.
If the car you were bargaining for really had deal breaking flaws (as you suggest some strippers do) are you still going to take it for a lower price, or would you simply tell the salesman your looking for "something else"?