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xGigi
02-22-2011, 01:38 PM
Praising a stripper in a strip club is a bad idea. It simply diminishes your bargaining power. When you go to purchase a used car, you try to find flaws in the car so that you can use these to bargain down the original price. Customers should use the same tactics in a strip club.

1. Comparing strippers to used cars is a ridiculous statement. Cars are a necessity. Strippers are fun. Anyone who tries to use his "bargaining power" to have a good time looks like a cheapskate.

...Oh and not to mention the fact that STRIPPERS ARE PEOPLE. A car is not going to get offended by you pointing out a paint chip. The car dealer will not get upset with you pointing out a paint chip. If you point out to a stripper that her nail polish is chipped, she's gonna be pissed! She might try to act cute about it, but on the inside she's thinking "wow thanks asshole. I'm half naked and you're looking at my NAILS?" then if you say "how about I'll get a dance from you for 15 bucks?" when the dances are 20, and the dancer will want nothing to do with you.

2.There are no "tactics" in a strip club. The prices are set for dances. You either pay it, or you don't. Maybe the club you go to is different, but I've worked at over 10 strip clubs and most of the dancers DO NOT negotiate on the price of a dance. Especially if the customer just pointed out a "flaw" in her.

Also, this statement???


I would like to state that you have hurt my feelings even though I am the only guy who supported your view completely.

WTF?

perhaps you need to re-read the OP


Stop me in mid stride on my way to a customer who is actually spending money then proceed to tell me I'm the most beautiful girl in the club or have the nicest body in the club then DECLINE when I ask you for a dance.
SO ANNOYING
I could see if I was sitting around doing nothing and you felt so compelled to tell me this. I'm not a bitch who's too good for a compliment but seriously... To like grab me and stop me when I'm clearly on the move.... Then give some lame reason like you are about to leave or are out of money. It is really irritating. That is all

she is clearly complaining that the customer didn't buy a dance. she is not upset that he complimented her.

it's simple

compliment + lap dance = money = good

compliment + no lap dance = no money = bad

what you said was you shouldn't compliment a stripper because then she'll value herself too much to cut you a deal on a dance? this is incongruous with the OP

Read again:


I'm not a bitch who's too good for a compliment

For someone who knows so much about strip clubs, you seem to have entirely MISSED the entire focus of this thread. good job.

CherryBomb954
02-22-2011, 03:24 PM
yes..

Dammit!!! :P

Casual Observer
02-22-2011, 05:43 PM
What people are pissed about is that you stated in your first post that you cut dancers down because you believe it's a good tactic to get them to lower their prices. Which is such a manipulative, dickhead thing to do.

I cannot envision a strip club scenario where demonstrating cheapness and overt disrespect will garner me more of what I want from a stripper rather than less.

It's just completely counterintuitive as an approach. Good luck with that.

Surprise
02-22-2011, 06:05 PM
Here is a sample conversation:

Stripper: Hey baby! Would you like a dance?
Jack: How much?

Stripper: $10.00
Jack: Well ... that ... is ... a ... bit ... too ... much. <fix your eyes at the area of concern on her body, e.g. small tits, bad nose, yellow teeth, etc.>

Point is a guy has worked hard for his money. He has every right to be as direct as stripper.

then don't buy a dance from an ugly stripper. tell her politely she isn't your type and move on.

insulting gets you nothing but your drink knocked into your lap, and there's another $6 of your hard earned money going directly back to the bar.

Laxman
02-22-2011, 06:21 PM
The original post was stating that complimenting dancers IF they are clearly
busy and you don't intend to spend money is annoying.You took a whole different turn when you mentioned the customers "bargaining power". In my world and I'm sure some of the other ladies would agree, the customer has no such power. The price is the price whether YOU think I'm a 10 or a 3.so....you really threw the thread of course with that bargaining shit.

You would vigorously argue that a stripper has every right to protect her interests in a strip club and you are right to argue that. Similarly, a customer has right to protect his interests in a strip club as well. You have to realize that as soon as a stripper and a customer enter the strip club, they enter into what I call an adversarial relation. Their objectives are polar opposite. Stripper's objective is to take as much money as she can without giving anything in return. Customer's objective is to have as much fun as he can without spending much. Therefore it is funfair to blame a customer if he uses standard business tactics to gain upper hand.

Laxman
02-22-2011, 06:24 PM
Why have you all given this Laxman... person... 4 pages of responses?

Why don't you go back to jerking off and leave us all alone. Please!

Laxman
02-22-2011, 06:25 PM
cause some of us are bored.. and some of us thinks trying to correct someone on the net works..

You look wonderful tonight!

Laxman
02-22-2011, 06:27 PM
Am I the only one still waiting for Laxman's explanation on why he's such an expert on strip clubs?

Well, to protect my identity, I would like to keep that information private at least for the time being. In the mean time, just believe that I know what I am talking about. Fair enough?

sananeko
02-22-2011, 06:31 PM
You look wonderful tonight!
You have no idea what I look like.

Laxman
02-22-2011, 06:31 PM
Come on jester!! This is like the most entertainment that's been on the site in awhile :P

You are sweet. May be in next life, I will marry someone as sweet as you.

yoda57us
02-22-2011, 06:37 PM
Well, to protect my identity, I would like to keep that information private at least for the time being. In the mean time, just believe that I know what I am talking about. Fair enough?

Not really. Frankly I think the only thing you have shown that you are good at here is being off-topic and annoying. Nothing you have posted shows that you have much of a clue as to how clubs really work. All I'm seeing from you is your preferred approach. That's fine if it works for you but, clearly, many of us, who also know a thing or two about being dancers and customers, aren't buying it.

Laxman
02-22-2011, 06:41 PM
Laxman, do you not realize what an ass you're making of yourself?



1. Comparing strippers to used cars is a ridiculous statement. Cars are a necessity. Strippers are fun. Anyone who tries to use his "bargaining power" to have a good time looks like a cheapskate.

...Oh and not to mention the fact that STRIPPERS ARE PEOPLE. A car is not going to get offended by you pointing out a paint chip. The car dealer will not get upset with you pointing out a paint chip. If you point out to a stripper that her nail polish is chipped, she's gonna be pissed! She might try to act cute about it, but on the inside she's thinking "wow thanks asshole. I'm half naked and you're looking at my NAILS?" then if you say "how about I'll get a dance from you for 15 bucks?" when the dances are 20, not only are you an asshole, but you're a cheap asshole, and the dancer will want nothing to do with you.

2.There are no "tactics" in a strip club. The prices are set for dances. You either pay it, or you don't. Maybe the club you go to is different, but I've worked at over 10 strip clubs and most of the dancers DO NOT negotiate on the price of a dance. Especially if the customer just pointed out a "flaw" in her.

Also, this statement???



WTF?

perhaps you need to re-read the OP



she is clearly complaining that the customer didn't buy a dance. she is not upset that he complimented her.

it's simple

compliment + lap dance = money = good

compliment + no lap dance = no money = bad

what you said was you shouldn't compliment a stripper because then she'll value herself too much to cut you a deal on a dance? this is incongruous with the OP

Read again:



For someone who knows so much about strip clubs, you seem to have entirely MISSED the entire focus of this thread. good job.

No. I do not realize what an ass I am making of myself. Perhaps you could help me realize that?

I disagree. I think strippers are just as much of necessity as cars. If you do not believe me ask Yoda. Now, can strippers be fun? Yes, that is a theoretical possibility. I will not deny that but cars can be fun too.

Laxman
02-22-2011, 06:46 PM
Not really. Frankly I think the only thing you have shown that you are good at here is being off-topic and annoying. Nothing you have posted shows that you have much of a clue as to how clubs really work. All I'm seeing from you is your preferred approach. That's fine if it works for you but, clearly, many of us, who also know a thing or two about being dancers and customers, aren't buying it.

I would like to be blunt here. It is because of customers like you who bend over too often that the customers like us do not get good mileage out of strippers. If everybody followed my principles, we will all have fun in strip clubs.

C0RINNE
02-22-2011, 06:53 PM
I would like to be blunt here. It is because of customers like you who bend over too often that the customers like us do not get good mileage out of strippers. If everybody followed my principles, we will all have fun in strip clubs.

And it's customers like YOU that make our job a living hell sometimes >:(

sananeko
02-22-2011, 06:53 PM
I would like to be blunt here. It is because of customers like you who bend over too often that the customers like us do not get good mileage out of strippers. If everybody followed my principles, we will all have fun in strip clubs.
If everyone followed your principles it would be called a brothel..

Laxman
02-22-2011, 06:56 PM
If everyone followed your principles it would be called a brothel..

What is in name?

rickdugan
02-22-2011, 06:56 PM
You have to realize that as soon as a stripper and a customer enter the strip club, they enter into what I call an adversarial relation. Their objectives are polar opposite. Stripper's objective is to take as much money as she can without giving anything in return. Customer's objective is to have as much fun as he can without spending much. Therefore it is funfair to blame a customer if he uses standard business tactics to gain upper hand.

If I did business the way you suggest that we treat strippers, then nobody would do business with me. Personally insulting someone is not a standard business tactic, period. You can't take the human element out of business transactions any more than you can in any other life activity.

And of course dancers and customers have objectives that are somewhat at odds, but that doesn't make the situation adversarial. She offers her services to me and either I buy them or I don't. Simple.

I find that men who get worked up and defensive in strip clubs, and treat dancers like crap, do so because they are insecure. This type of guy is too emotionally weak to stay relaxed or to fully grasp that, until he pulls his money out of his pocket and hands it to her, he has control over whether a transaction takes place. Sound familiar? ;)

sananeko
02-22-2011, 06:58 PM
What is in name?
What is in a name. Well since most humans need words to separate and define it would pretty much mean yes there is something in a name.

Laxman
02-22-2011, 07:05 PM
If I did business the way you suggest that we treat strippers, then nobody would do business with me. Personally insulting someone is not a standard business tactic, period. You can't take the human element out of business transactions any more than you can in any other life activity.

And of course dancers and customers have objectives that are somewhat at odds, but that doesn't make the situation adversarial. She offers her services to me and either I buy them or I don't. Simple.

I find that men who get worked up and defensive in strip clubs, and treat dancers like crap, do so because they are insecure. This type of guy is too emotionally weak to stay relaxed or to fully grasp that, until he pulls his money out of his pocket and hands it to her, he has control over whether a transaction takes place. Sound familiar? ;)

What line of work are you in?

rickdugan
02-22-2011, 07:13 PM
I would like to be blunt here. It is because of customers like you who bend over too often that the customers like us do not get good mileage out of strippers. If everybody followed my principles, we will all have fun in strip clubs.

Are you serious? I'll let yoda speak for himself, but I suspect that there are a lot of guys who would like to have a quarter of the stories and memories that he has accumulated over the years.

But I can speak for my own experiences, and I can tell you that my "mileage" is excellent and I've never treated a dancer like shit. As we are in pink this is as far as I'm going to go on the mileage front, but suffice it to say that insulting them is not the path to getting whatever it is that you are looking for.

DesuvsDeath
02-22-2011, 07:23 PM
It is because of customers like you who bend over too often that the customers like us do not get good mileage out of strippers.

It is because of customers like you that strippers are often total bitches who hate men. ;)

Laxman
02-22-2011, 07:25 PM
Are you serious? I'll let yoda speak for himself, but I suspect that there are a lot of guys who would like to have a quarter of the stories and memories that he has accumulated over the years.

But I can speak for my own experiences, and I can tell you that my "mileage" is excellent and I've never treated a dancer like shit. As we are in pink this is as far as I'm going to go on the mileage front, but suffice it to say that insulting them is not the path to getting whatever it is that you are looking for.

Please stop putting words into my mouth. You guys have a tendency of creating straw men. Once again, let me restate this again: I am not proposing customers should insult strippers for that would clearly be counter productive.

I am merely suggesting that customers should explore all diplomatic means to gain upper hand in their adversarial interaction with strippers. It is common sense and good business practice.

DesuvsDeath
02-22-2011, 07:28 PM
^insults are not diplomatic nor are they good business practice.

Laxman
02-22-2011, 07:28 PM
It is because of customers like you that strippers are often total bitches who hate men. ;)

If a simple business transaction that occurs inside a strip club forces you to hate men then you need to examine your inner soul, my dear.

jack0177057
02-22-2011, 07:29 PM
It is because of customers like you who bend over too often that the customers like us do not get good mileage out of strippers. If everybody followed my principles, we will all have fun in strip clubs.

I'm beginning to understand the used car analogy... I'm becoming a Laxman convert.

Just need to go over it again - She asks if I want a dance,... I find a flaw somewhere on her body and just stare at it... stare for a long time... until she's practically begging to dance for me for half price.... Then, I get lots... and lots... of mileage...

Might work... Its worth trying... I'm gonna get laid by a stripper tonight!

Laxman
02-22-2011, 07:29 PM
^insults are not diplomatic nor are they good business practice.

... but with all due respect, I am not proposing insults.

Laxman
02-22-2011, 07:30 PM
And it's customers like YOU that make our job a living hell sometimes >:(

How exactly did you reach that conclusion? /:O

rickdugan
02-22-2011, 07:32 PM
Please stop putting words into my mouth. You guys have a tendency of creating straw men. Once again, let me restate this again: I am not proposing customers should insult strippers for that would clearly be counter productive.

I see, then I guess I put the following words in your mouth:


...Here is a sample conversation:

Stripper: Hey baby! Would you like a dance?
Jack: How much?

Stripper: $10.00
Jack: Well ... that ... is ... a ... bit ... too ... much. <fix your eyes at the area of concern on her body, e.g. small tits, bad nose, yellow teeth, etc.>

Dude, whether you insult her directly or through some silly passive/aggressive stare tactic, the result is the same. No good will ever come from it. Better to simply say no thank you and move on to something more to your taste.

Laxman
02-22-2011, 07:32 PM
... I'm gonna get laid by a stripper tonight!

No that is not going to happen, not to you. Don't get carried away my man. :D

Laxman
02-22-2011, 07:34 PM
rickdugan,

Strip clubs are not about good wills. If you want good will, go join Dalai Lama's mission.

yoda57us
02-22-2011, 07:58 PM
I would like to be blunt here. It is because of customers like you who bend over too often that the customers like us do not get good mileage out of strippers. If everybody followed my principles, we will all have fun in strip clubs.

I'll be blunt as well...

It's because of "customers" like you that I get treated extremely well by my dancer favs and friends. Cheap pricks who don't respect the fact that dancing is a job and continually waste people's time-both the dancers and that of good paying customers-make a polite gentleman with money to spend look all that much better to the ladies. I can't tell you how many times I've had a dancer spend hours with me in a club rather than waste her time trying to coax money out of the bar-flies, lookie-lews, negotiators and just plain ass-holes who insist on showing up at strip cubs with $20 and a bad attitude thinking that they deserve any attention at all...

So, really, thank you for that!

"Men" with your cheap-ass, misogynistic approach to women in general and dancers in particular should stick to late-night encounters with spank wire and stay out of strip clubs.
Your insistence on trying to promote a new strip club paradigm is laughable. You would be truly embarrassing to the male of the species...if any of us took you seriously.

BringOnTheMen
02-22-2011, 08:14 PM
I'm still struggling to understand how you make this "stare at her flaws till she caves" tactic actually work. If I asked a guy for a dance, and he replied sloooowly that he thought $20 was too much while staring at my belly/nose/hair/legs I would just assume he was retarded or stoned. I've never met someone fully functioning who could not make eye contact for just a second or who spoke as though they were running out of batteries.

So what I would probably do in that situation is feel bad for you, and ask one of your buddies to make sure you got home ok, and then leave.

lopaw
02-22-2011, 09:45 PM
If the dancers in the actual clubs treat "Laxman" anything like the dancers on this forum are right now.......he gonna be very lonely indeed.


But oh yeah, I forgot - he a major playa with mad game, right?


Pardon me while I :rotfl:

sunnyskys
02-22-2011, 09:48 PM
This thread is hilarious. Personally, when customers try to "throw me the neg" or whatever the lingo is, I don't reduce my price. I double it. :)

Pure
02-22-2011, 10:20 PM
Customer's objective is to have as much fun as he can without spending much. Therefore it is funfair to blame a customer if he uses standard business tactics to gain upper hand.


No. This is a cheap asshole's objective at a club. Most people know that experiences in a club cost money. So to say you want to have as much fun as possible without spending much sounds like a personal problem. A customer may not want to break the bank and that's understandable but most people understand the fact that in a stripclub the amount of "fun" you have has a direct corelation to how much money you spend.



Now back on topic... I think a better way for a customer to compliment a dancer if he isn't spending money is to preface his compliment with that fact. Ex~ " Hey, I'm not going to get a dance or anything but I just wanted to tell you you are very beautiful." It would still be annoying if he stopped me when I was busy to say this but at least it's not AS irritating. Then if I choose to try to sell him regardless it is on me.

velvet
02-22-2011, 10:29 PM
this guy reminds me of the old school posters, lover or dreamer. I have a feeling this is NOT a new member. Not saying that it is lover or dreamer but i have a feeling he's been here before.

now that i read the rest of this thread i'm sure of it. he's here trolling guys.

Dirty Ernie
02-23-2011, 12:09 AM
I was wondering how this thread blew up to 6 pages in such a short time.


I smell the return of Cyril.


You may be able to go into a SC and point out the Mercedes, but you will never know the joy of driving one. You'll always be stuck driving that Yugo known as your hand.

CherryBomb954
02-23-2011, 03:50 AM
Well, to protect my identity, I would like to keep that information private at least for the time being. In the mean time, just believe that I know what I am talking about. Fair enough?

Oh please. Drop the secret agent man act. Let the cat out of the bag!

CherryBomb954
02-23-2011, 03:52 AM
now that i read the rest of this thread i'm sure of it. he's here trolling guys.

This is a great possibility, but it's to much fun to ignore.

xGigi
02-23-2011, 04:16 AM
No. I do not realize what an ass I am making of myself. Perhaps you could help me realize that?

I disagree. I think strippers are just as much of necessity as cars. If you do not believe me ask Yoda. Now, can strippers be fun? Yes, that is a theoretical possibility. I will not deny that but cars can be fun too.

ok I refuse to continue this debate on the grounds that you made your "counter-points" by completely disregarding the point I made, twisting words, and spewing out utter bullshit.

rickdugan
02-23-2011, 07:14 AM
rickdugan,

Strip clubs are not about good wills. If you want good will, go join Dalai Lama's mission.

There is a lot of distance between pushover and bastard. No girl is going to make me spend money on something that I do not want, but neither do I need to be mean about it.

And if one of your goals truly is higher mileage, as you mentioned above, then a certain amount of goodwill is indeed necessary. I doubt that any dancer that I deal with would want to be in a highly vulnerable position with a stranger who has already treated her poorly.

Like yoda, I do not waste a girl's time and always treat them with courtesy. However, where we diverge is that I tend to be a bit of a barfly and I do negotiate prices for VIP and certain other activities if I believe that a dancer is coming in too high. However, IMO there is never a need to be insulting in the process.

princessjas
02-23-2011, 07:39 AM
I smell the return of Cyril.


I was thinking the exact same thing. It's why I stopped debating after a certain point. I realized even if he isn't Cyril, he obviously has zero respect for strippers and women in general.

jack0177057
02-23-2011, 09:17 AM
No that is not going to happen, not to you. Don't get carried away my man. :D

If I follow the Laxman Method... I'll get laid for sure.

She asks if I want a dance,... I find a flaw somewhere on her body and just stare at it... stare for a long time... until she's practically begging to dance for me for half price.... Then, I get lots... and lots... of mileage...

I can do this! Laxman is definitely onto something.

cherryblossomsinspring
02-23-2011, 10:38 AM
Its like going to a car salesman and praising the car but not buying it. You get one angry sales guy who thought you were going to get it, but walk away looking like a window shopper.


This true but the post was saying that the guy stopped her in mid stride, nearly grabbed her arm to get in her face and make a compliment.

So try going to the car salesman flagging him down and saying nice car. When he goes into ooh well it's $$$ you say ooh no not interested.

That's wrong on two counts.

You don't stop someone and take their time and get in their face. Then you have the audacity to come up broke?

I'm starting to realize some people posts things out of anger for women. Just look at the posts and see the pattern.

cherryblossomsinspring
02-23-2011, 10:53 AM
There is a serious flaw in your logic. Allow me to explain that. If you simply say 'no thanks'. She would not know why she is being rejected. However, if you provide her with feedbacks, she may be able to rectify the flaws. For example a stripper, a rather hot looking one or a Mercedes as you would call them approaches you for a dance. You noticed that she is not smiling and her very presence is depressing. You politely say, "Thank you for asking but I am looking for someone a bit more uplifting!" End of the story. She is not going to approach you again. It saves the stripper some valuable time. After all, we have already determined that the time of a stripper is way too valuable. Fair enough, sir?

Wow this is just absolutely horrid! You have actually said that to a woman?

Ok I've never heard a more frustrated and bitter comment come out of a man's mouth. I think Mr. Laxman here goes to strip clubs to reject women on purpose. Uggh this is why I couldn't work in a strip club. Having some hideous guy flagging me away like I was some annoying pest because he has .50 in his pocket? I remember my ex telling me about a friend that used to drag him to strip clubs and he said he hated it. Obviously my ex was looking to go out and get a date from a girl , but he just hated watching this guy acting all tough in front of girls that would never look twice at him outside the club. He used to pull stuff like this too. Telling girls their flaws and saying how great it felt because these women couldn't do anything about it. He just went in for that alone and was like ok got my courage. Now let's go and hit up the bars.

That was an ego trip for his friend . He just loved playing games with women at strip clubs so he could gain the needed courage to approach women in other venues.

Wow It shocks me that someone would do this and be proud about it. Now what's even more strange is I guess the clubs are not enough. You have to join a stripper post and do it here too? That just sounds creepy as hell. Talk about stalkerish even. But hey to each his own right! Beauty of free speech and all that jizz!

Carry on then Mr. Laxman!

cherryblossomsinspring
02-23-2011, 11:03 AM
Actually, that is how things go in the real world. Are you that naive to not know that? It is the job of strippers to deal with their emotions.

Well if this is how things are going to go at a strip club. They you're price will have to go up.

Hmm lap dance? Well you have more like 4 legs there baby so that's 2 laps not one. I guess I'll have to charge you $40.00 heheehh.

Aww you smell like vomit, yess you do. That will be an extra perfume fee of $25.00 . ..
Aww and if you come and drip on me after the first song there will be deposit of $20.00. Yes don't come too fast baby . hehehehe!

OOh and you're bald... wow there's a $15.00 hair tax, all that shine and I may get blinded and fall in my shoes. You know no health insurance love... unless you want to wear one of my wigs?....

Ohh and are those dentures?? Ohh no hunny I can have those falling on me after you get excited... that will be $5.00 poligrip tax. heheheh:)


Seriously?
Come on now. If strippers treated men like they do at regular clubs, many of these guys would be sitting alone. So here we have the " I HAVE THE POWER" types. How lovely.

cherryblossomsinspring
02-23-2011, 11:06 AM
i'll be blunt as well...

It's because of "customers" like you that i get treated extremely well by my dancer favs and friends. Cheap pricks who don't respect the fact that dancing is a job and continually waste people's time-both the dancers and that of good paying customers-make a polite gentleman with money to spend look all that much better to the ladies. I can't tell you how many times i've had a dancer spend hours with me in a club rather than waste her time trying to coax money out of the bar-flies, lookie-lews, negotiators and just plain ass-holes who insist on showing up at strip cubs with $20 and a bad attitude thinking that they deserve any attention at all...

So, really, thank you for that!

"men" with your cheap-ass, misogynistic approach to women in general and dancers in particular should stick to late-night encounters with spank wire and stay out of strip clubs.
Your insistence on trying to promote a new strip club paradigm is laughable. You would be truly embarrassing to the male of the species...if any of us took you seriously.

see im not even a stripper and i want to take my clothes off for this guy for free!!!! I love when men put losers in check!! It's a panty wetting experience!!!

BringOnTheMen
02-23-2011, 02:39 PM
lol @ panty wetting experience

yoda57us
02-23-2011, 02:44 PM
This is a great possibility, but it's to much fun to ignore.

I agree. At first I was ignoring him but fresh meat like this is just too much fun to pass-up!

yoda57us
02-23-2011, 02:49 PM
Like yoda, I do not waste a girl's time and always treat them with courtesy. However, where we diverge is that I tend to be a bit of a barfly and I do negotiate prices for VIP and certain other activities if I believe that a dancer is coming in too high. However, IMO there is never a need to be insulting in the process.

To be clear rick my definition of a barfly is the guy who just sits at the bar and watches the girls. He never buys or negotiates for anything with the possible exception of an occasional drink. You are a good paying customer.
If you started telling me that you negotiated $20 lap dances when buying only one or two at a time, lol, I might think differently of you...