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Raider
02-24-2011, 07:58 PM
I thank you for being my alarm clock but I would still maintain that you do not deserve a penis.

All right, this PL is right. It is past my bed time. Good night folks! Let us regroup tomorrow.

Why am I not deserving? Because you actually believed my post about the two 18 year olds? Or because I took a position that it was wrong to insult the ladies in order to acheive a lower price? It took you awful long to respond to this....did you have to run to your urban dictionary to find the acronym for pathetic loser?

Please, please, please....do not make your final thought before you go to sleep be about my penis....

jack0177057
02-24-2011, 08:27 PM
JACKS I thought you and LAX-ATIVE WERE THE SAME BUT MY MISTAKE. Your post responses sound almost identical in many ways.

The difference is - sarcasm.

sclvr5005
02-24-2011, 08:47 PM
Wow - this attention whore has really gotten everybody all spun up!
He must be in hog heaven thinking about the power that he yields!
You guys are all feeding him and giving him exactly what he wants - attention. Cause to a troll ANY attention is GOOD attention.

He obviously times his day and and beddy-by time around this thread...."let us resume tomorrow" ....what does that tell you?

Poor Pure had her thread hijacked and turned into a trainwreck by - maybe a mod ought to put it out of it's misery?

Just a thought ;)

yoda57us
02-24-2011, 08:52 PM
Poor Pure had her thread hijacked and turned into a trainwreck by one pathetic assclown - maybe a mod ought to put it out of it's misery?


That's just crazy talk there newbie...

DesuvsDeath
02-24-2011, 08:54 PM
If we let this thread die... where will we go for our nightly dose of lulz?

sclvr5005
02-24-2011, 08:57 PM
That's just crazy talk there newbie...

lol i guess you're right.
The entertainment value here is really priceless ;D.

I just feel bad for Pure......

BringOnTheMen
02-24-2011, 09:37 PM
Bargaining is an essential component of any business process. Is stripping a business? If the answer is yes then bargaining comes naturally with it.

No. Have you ever seen someone walk into a Target, pick out a box of cereal, and try to haggle with the cashier?

Laxman: I...just...think...3.49...is...too...much.
Cashier: excuse me?
Laxman: ok, since you didn't get my hint, I'll be more upfront. It's not that I think this is a bad box of cereal, it's just that I don't think it's worth 3.49.
Cashier: ok, you don't have to buy it then.
Laxman: oh no, you don't understand, I WANT to buy the cereal, I just don't want to pay 3.49 for it. How about 2 bucks?
Cashier:...no. It's 3.49, so you'll either pay that, or you won't.
Laxman: *staring at nutritional facts* I just think anything over 3 dollars is too much.
Cashier: then don't buy it.

It's the same at the strip club. Sure, there can be a little back and forth for tips, and maybe even VIP depending on the club and the dancer, but a lapdance is a lapdance. It's not a used car. It's the seat covers for the car. The business man is smart to haggle on the big ticket items (cars, extended CR, extras), but only the cheapskate and the fool try to haggle on something so inexpensive as cereal, car sear covers, or a lapdance.

Raider
02-25-2011, 06:57 AM
Bargaining is an essential component of any business process. Is stripping a business? If the answer is yes then bargaining comes naturally with it.

Once again you are trying to prove your point by basing your statement on a faulty premise. Bargaining is NOT an essential component of any and all businesses. It is for car purchasing (your favorite analogy), it could be for home repair and many others. You can't say it is part of the restaurant business on a daily basis. You don't walk in and say I want your steak dinner but will only pay 14.95 for it instead of 19.95. You don't negotiate the price of gas at the pump. You don't negotiate the price of a movie ticket. You don't negotiate the price of a concert ticket.

As some have said, it may be appropriate to negotiate the price of a $500 VIP but not a $20 dance. It may be appropriate to negotiate the price of a catered wedding reception but not the price of a single meal.

Yes, you have the right to negotiate anything you want no matter how unreasonable or unlikely you will be successful. Just like you have the right to post your opinions no matter how unreasonable others think they are.

All anyone is trying to say here is there is a proper way to do everything in life. Your proposed methods of negotiating are not the proper way. It is like me trying to politely make a point vs sitting on here and calling you an idiot like I did once. It is like you trying to politely make a point as opposed to saying 'a disgrace to men' or 'don't deserve a penis'. Making personal attacks on individuals to prove your point or to 'get your price' does not strengthen your position or make your argument valid. All it does (besides adding to post count) is help others to form an opinion of what type of person you really are.

Tdonuts
02-25-2011, 07:13 AM
...I wonder what the success rate is for Laxman's MO?
For arguements sake, if the initial price of a LD WAS had for the bargained price of 25 instead of 30, are subseqent LD's at the bargained price? or since the performance of the dancer was apparently good enough to warrant another, has her "value" gone up? Because despite a few dings and dents, what was "under the hood" was apparently underestimated.

DesuvsDeath
02-25-2011, 02:20 PM
^Lol. I could just imagine that.
All the other girls are jealous because this girl is in the back the whole night doing dances... but she's been talked by Lax down to $10 instead of $20... so she's really only making $5 a song and leaves with $50 after house fees/tip out even though she's done 50 dances. Lmao.

Laxman
02-25-2011, 06:27 PM
That's just crazy talk there newbie...

Finally a post form you I can agree with. :D

Laxman
02-25-2011, 06:29 PM
No. Have you ever seen someone walk into a Target, pick out a box of cereal, and try to haggle with the cashier?

Laxman: I...just...think...3.49...is...too...much.
Cashier: excuse me?
Laxman: ok, since you didn't get my hint, I'll be more upfront. It's not that I think this is a bad box of cereal, it's just that I don't think it's worth 3.49.
Cashier: ok, you don't have to buy it then.
Laxman: oh no, you don't understand, I WANT to buy the cereal, I just don't want to pay 3.49 for it. How about 2 bucks?
Cashier:...no. It's 3.49, so you'll either pay that, or you won't.
Laxman: *staring at nutritional facts* I just think anything over 3 dollars is too much.
Cashier: then don't buy it.

It's the same at the strip club. Sure, there can be a little back and forth for tips, and maybe even VIP depending on the club and the dancer, but a lapdance is a lapdance. It's not a used car. It's the seat covers for the car. The business man is smart to haggle on the big ticket items (cars, extended CR, extras), but only the cheapskate and the fool try to haggle on something so inexpensive as cereal, car sear covers, or a lapdance.

Your argument is not valid because I have never seen a stripper with bar coded sticker on her. Your analogy just does not cut it.

Laxman
02-25-2011, 06:33 PM
Wow - this attention whore has really gotten everybody all spun up!
He must be in hog heaven thinking about the power that he yields!
You guys are all feeding this troll and giving him exactly what he wants - attention. Cause to a troll ANY attention is GOOD attention.

He obviously times his day and and beddy-by time around this thread...."let us resume tomorrow" ....what does that tell you?

Poor Pure had her thread hijacked and turned into a trainwreck by one pathetic assclown - maybe a mod ought to put it out of it's misery?

Just a thought ;)

I do not even sell lap dances and you are calling me a whore? /:O

Laxman
02-25-2011, 06:34 PM
The difference is - sarcasm.

Disagree. The difference is - manhood. 8)

Almost Jaded
02-25-2011, 07:24 PM
will listen to Yoda the day he brings a stripper home without paying her a dime. Fair enough?

Yoda already pointed out that you now have to listen to him. By this statement, you also have to listen to me.


I personally think God almighty gave you a penis by accident. He meant to give you a vagina. That of course is my humble opinion.

You say that as though having a vagina is an insult. Hmm. I guess every woman in the club has a flaw for you to start on right away - A VAGINA. They have other clubs for guys like you, where the dancers have penises. From what I hear, you get a LOT more mileage, too - so why are you wasting time here?


I do not even sell lap dances and you are calling me a whore?

OOOOOOooohhhh - equating dancers with whores now. Firstly, there's nothing wrong with a whore. Women who sell sex for a living are not worth less as human beings. I - and plenty of people here - are going to take serious issue with you treating that term as an insult. In fact, in my house - the one with 3 drop dead gorgeous women in it - that tends to be something of a term of endearment. Right up their with slut. Open your mind, silly Cyril.


Disagree. The difference is - manhood.



And how exactly does stating your credentials as to how you know more about SC's than most people here give away your identity? There are literally thousands of clubs in several countries represented by employees here. Literally tens of thousands of possible employees. Even if you stated the area you lived in and that you OWNED a club (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA), one could only narrow you down to a few dozen possible people. Since that's not the case - out with it. Explain yourself. The gauntlet is thrown. You're a liar and an instigator. Flat out. You sir, cannot provide even a lie to account for it, since anything you DO claim could be proven false very quickly by anyone with time in the industry. Go spend time somewhere else. There are boards on 4chan for you.

Laxman
02-25-2011, 07:33 PM
^ I am not responding to pimps. Period.

Dirty Ernie
02-25-2011, 07:56 PM
AJ-How dare you question the credentials of the man who founded DreamGirls, only the greatest strip club in the universe!

Laxman
02-25-2011, 08:17 PM
AJ-How dare you question the credentials of the man who founded DreamGirls, only the greatest strip club in the universe!

Please consider changing your name to Clean Ernie. How can you be proud of being dirty? /:O

jack0177057
02-25-2011, 09:06 PM
Disagree. The difference is - manhood. 8)

I was trying to be polite to you,... but, if you're willing to admit your inferior manhood,... I respect your honesty. :D

Almost Jaded
02-25-2011, 09:31 PM
^ I am not responding to pimps. Period.

So you have a problem with pimps.

Okay - since most pimps are terrible people, that makes sense.

I'm not a pimp.

So feel free to respond to me.


AJ-How dare you question the credentials of the man who founded DreamGirls, only the greatest strip club in the universe!

I notice he hasn't responded to any of the statements that he might be Cyril. Nor did he respond to this other than to mention your screen name.

Mods - c'mon - it's him - go back and read Cyril's old threads and posts. The language usage is the same, the threads and inflammatory pointless statements are the same, the style of reply is the same - even his sentence structure is the same. A ban is a ban - git r done.

Laxman
02-26-2011, 06:53 AM
I was trying to be polite to you,... but, if you're willing to admit your inferior manhood,... I respect your honesty. :D

It looks like I hit the nerve there boy. Good. }:D

Almost Jaded
02-26-2011, 10:06 AM
This from the man that considers vagina to be disgusting, strippers to be whores, and likes Raiders dick.

Kisca
02-26-2011, 10:33 AM
Im suprised this went to page 9. Why is this ... erhmm person still getting attention?

yoda57us
02-26-2011, 10:41 AM
Im suprised this went to page 9. Why is this ... erhmm person still getting attention?

I like to think of it as savage amusement...

Laxman
02-26-2011, 10:55 AM
Im suprised this went to page 9. Why is this ... erhmm person still getting attention?

Answer lies in your question. However, it requires deep thoughts.

sclvr5005
02-26-2011, 09:47 PM
I do not even sell lap dances and you are calling me a whore? /:O


Calling you a whore?
Of course not.
That would be insulting to whores.

Djoser
02-27-2011, 03:14 AM
The only thing more pathetic than a guy who has to pay to get blowjobs from desperate women is one who will haggle over the price.

yoda57us
02-28-2011, 10:08 AM
The only thing more pathetic than a guy who has to pay to get blowjobs from desperate women is one who will haggle over the price.

I think you are painting both the guys who pay for blowjobs and the women who give them with far too broad of a brush here. I say this not only as a guy who pays but also as a guy who is very close to several women who work in the sex industry. In my experience there is a fairly large lack of "desperation" on both sides most of the time though, clearly, there are some women doing thing they wish they did not have to do to earn a living.

It's just not that black and white, though I do agree on the part about haggling. It's just not for me.

lemiwinks31
02-28-2011, 10:10 AM
Im suprised this went to page 9. Why is this ... erhmm person still getting attention?


why do people watch Jerry Springer?.....why do drivers stare at accidents as they drive by?.....

because for some reason it makes you feel better to know that there are people worse off than you....

"wow...i'm glad i'm not in that accident"

"wow....i'm glad my wife isnt having an affair with both my dad AND my mom, and also pregnant with my son's child"

"wow...i'm glad i'm not a complete loser who tries to haggle the price of a $20 lapdance by insulting strippers"

chris91
02-28-2011, 04:35 PM
Wow. Laxman, you need to call you mother and ask her why she never taught you any manners.

yoda57us
02-28-2011, 06:23 PM
Wow. Laxman, you need to call you mother and ask her why she never taught you any manners.

He's banned.

LOL, I'm sure his mother tried her best....

lopaw
02-28-2011, 08:04 PM
"wow....i'm glad my wife isnt having an affair with both my dad AND my mom, and also pregnant with my son's child"



I lol'd heartily on this one! :D
And you just know that there really is someone out there truly relieved to be thinking this!

Almost Jaded
02-28-2011, 09:11 PM
It's beeeeen... One week since we got to see...

Anyone else know the song? :P

Pure
02-28-2011, 10:04 PM
25990

Hopper
03-01-2011, 04:58 AM
Again, you're confusing "pickup game" in the real world vs. being a customer in the SC. In the real world, I wouldn't praise a woman for her looks, unless I was already having sex with her.

This puzzles me. How do you get sex from her without praising her, and why would you wait until you do?


But, in the SC, the dancer is providing a service - she's going to strip for me, grind on my junk, rub her boobs on my face... and there will be other heavy contact. If I act disinterested, she's going to: (1) think I'm gay (not that there is anything wrong with that), (2) be extremely bored and (3) switch to robot mode - and this will be lame.

If I show enthusiasm and customer appreciation (without getting creepy), the energy is much more positive and there will be more interaction. She'll "hustle" me with flirtation, place my hands on her boobs, etc. I play along with her game, she thinks she's reeling me in and gets more friendly and frisky. She flirts and gives me all her best lines. I keep playing along acting like I'm under her spell, so she keeps giving better and better dances - thinking she's going to empty my bank account. But, when my pre-allotted LDs budget is spent - I'm done, and no hustle is going to make me spend another dime.

In my experience it doesn't always work like this. With a good stripper, who knows her job and is happy to do it, I can simply be polite and reserved and when I express my appreciation, have it graciously accepted. If I behave too enthusiastically or congenially, it can either put the stripper on her guard or allow her to take me for granted and not try as hard, or take liberties.

One stripper I complimented on her looks replied "That's just what us girls like to hear, isn't it", implying that I just said it to soften her up for a pick-up line and that I was wasting my time. I usually compliment dancers on their stage dancing, physical attributes etc. out of simple courtesy, since it's all part of their job, but often they are suspicious.


It sounds to me like there is some bitterness in your attitude towards dancers. Perhaps you were mislead by the hustle, spent more money than you should have, and was disappointed by false expectations of OTC activity... You'll get past it.

Just enjoy the SC. Bring money. Leave all the "PUA gaming theory" at the door,... and just have fun, for Pete's sake.

While I don't like to have to play mind games at SCs, I have found that a little psychological shrewdness in my behavior is necessary to get the kind of service I want.

BringOnTheMen
03-01-2011, 06:07 AM
That's weird, I'd never think to be suspicious if a custy called me beautiful...it is what I'm paid to do. But when someone compliments me without any prompting from me (so did ya like my show?) it puts me into my super confident I-deserve-every-penny-in-your-wallet mood. So I'm a little more aggressive and mean.

Hopper
03-01-2011, 07:09 AM
What I fail to understand (as everyone around here) is why you even think bargaining is an OPTION in strip clubs. It's a place where you pay for a certain service. I'm fairly certain you're not bargaining at the bar because in your opinion Jack Daniels should cost less than a Cola. It's a place with set prices for services.

It is NOT a swap meet.

While it's true that people generally just accept the prices of things, all prices are open to questioning. I get to say what my money is worth every bit as much as you get to say what your LDs are worth. Same goes for Coke and JD. It's just that nobody actually bothers. The result is that Coca Cola and JD get to make their own prices. Yes, I think Laxman has some points, though I don't back everything he says or vouch for his mental well-being. A lot of what he says is illogical.

The difference in the case of strippers is that they are people and actually specifying their flaws is unkind. However, photographic models have their flaws ruthlessly specified whenever they apply for work or negotiate the terms. People in all lines of work have their personal attributes (intelligence, ability, looks etc.) judged when negotiating terms. So consider that what is insulting IRL may not necessarily be insulting in a SC. Perhaps Laxman is right that strippers should be thick skinned, since they are the ones putting a price tag on their bodies in the first place. However, I would still expect customers to use some tact and possible not be too specific or explicit about what they see as flaws. Some criticisms are not even necessarily about flaws but rather the customer's own likes of dislikes. Actually pointing out flaws is probably not useful feedback as Laxman claims it is, since (1) if they are real flaws, the dancer is probably 100 times more aware of them than the customer and (2) if they are only perceived flaws, that varies widely between customers.

I definitely agree with him that there are sometimes too many "Focuses" and not enough "Mercedes". Of course, unlike in the case of cars, what is a "Focus" or a "Mercedes" in a SC varies according to customer tastes or standards (or BAC) and this judgment in the case of girls is more complex; but accounting for this the analogy holds. Yes dancers are human beings and have emotions but they are also selling themselves (like any employee or contractor) and in this case on the basis of attractiveness.

In the case of a single, one-off $20 air dance, it may be pissy to haggle. If it is multiple air dances, maybe it's not. For VIP rooms or contact dances (which are way more expensive), haggling might be in. The terms dancers are setting here are "like it or leave it" - pay the set price or don't buy. Meaning that the only alternative they are giving themselves to their set price is $0. If a given dancer can easily sell enough dances all night for the price she is asking, she has no need to lower it. But it is not always a sellers market for all dancers.

Would there be anything offensive about me saying "You are not exactly what I like, I would pay that for a girl I like more, but if you give me a lower price, I'll accept"? That doesn't specifically mention flaws and it is not an insult, you are just saying what you personally like. It need not be taken as a PUA "neg" tactic either. Remember, we are not talking about a date IRL, it is purely business - just like you dancers always say here yourselves when you talk about how you treat customers. Well now we are talking about the other side of the transaction: what the customer will spend on you. Is it still purely business?

Note also that spending less is not the same as spending little. Strippers are rightly expensive entertainment, so whatever the price is, it should not be small. Also, from the dancers side, and at the other end of the scale, there are "hot" (or clever) dancers who manage to get well above the "set standard price" from customers. So it goes both ways and for strippers with "game" negotiation could be an advantage.

I should point out also that negotiating on the basis of attraction (and definitely specifying flaws) might just get you a worse LD, either because she's angry or you've undermined her confidence in being able to give a good LD. So while it might get you a better price, it might also get you a worse LD. However, many strippers have little personal regard for customers anyway and their standard of LD is based solely on getting them to spend more money. Many strippers are completely businesslike - they view LDs as a transaction and logically I would expect them to be willing to negotiate without any personal qualms. Other strippers, however, are not so impersonal or thick-skinned. Laxman says that stripping is only for tough women, but I think I would be missing out on a lot of good strippers if that criteria were imposed.

Personally, despite all the above, I would feel very uncomfortable beating down a stripper's price based on her attractiveness. But it is still my right to decide what a lapdance is worth to me, completely aside from the stripper's attractiveness; so it is not even necessarily about criticizing the actual dancer or saying how much I like her. It also might be the standard of the actual lapdance that dancer gave me (also nothing to do with her attractiveness), which would affect the price of further LDs with her or perhaps other dancers in the same club. That is the main point I am arguing about here. I do like to treat strippers like regular girls, like human beings, even though I also treat it as business and I know they do to. (Unfortunately they don't always treat me like one. Or often they are acting nice but I can detect contempt behind their front, or they drop it when they no longer feel they need it.)

While I don't point out flaws, I do restrain my praise, because (aside from it often being totally disregarded) in some cases it can cause the stripper to take me for granted. In some cases, it may not be wise to tell a stripper how hot you think she is and just let your money tell her how she is doing.

It will really be fun to see what Laxman's response to this post is. Will agreeing with some of his own points make his response any more consistent or logical? (BTW, I am not him.)

Almost Jaded
03-01-2011, 07:10 AM
He's banned. ;)

Hopper
03-01-2011, 07:29 AM
^ For what?

charlie61
03-01-2011, 08:51 AM
Just went through this entire thread to clean it up.

If any of you have questions about your infractions, feel free to PM me.

I don't care if you have 1 post or 10,000, it is NEVER okay to insult members on this site. It's unnecessary. If you have a point to make, then you don't need to call someone a dipshit / loser / cocksucker, etc, to get it across.

Also, I've started giving infractions for members thanking other members for their insulting posts. Doing so clearly goes against the entire point of having a thanking system. Thanks are intended to be used for positive posts that help other members.

With the exception of Laxman's, all bans in this thread are temporary, and were given as a result of members repeatedly insulting other members.

Closing this thread.