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KushKandi
02-28-2011, 01:17 PM
On the subject of men being petifiles , Have you ever heard of "Hardcore Max" He actualy has the girls in his porn movies say they are 13-14 , call him mister , Where pigtails , and dora the explora shirts, ect , He has over 100 movies with 100 different girls , most of them foreign , phillipens russa , in some of his videos the girls appear to be REALLY underage , some of them are porn stars though , so mabye just good casting for the part? Ive been researching him for sometime now , its kinda creepy.
Im not asking for a online orgy , But what do you think of these from a human standpoint.
In this video around 3:40ish the girl actually says shes 14- Obviously a lie , But still i didnt think that was allowed , Suggested underage sex , Im not trying to call the max man out , for obviously hes not breaking any MAJOR laws , beings his massive video base , But still ied like your input.
http://video.xnxx.com/video702271/max_hardcore_shoots_facial_on_petite_girl_with_bra ces
I have been in the porn industry for 5 years but quit a few years ago. Max Hardcore was one of the porn directors I refused to work with. He is known for pissing on girls and really degrading the fuck out of them. I know he is currently in prison for reasons that are unknown to me. Possibly child roleplaying themes? I know when I was in the porn industry, sometimes during porno interviews, they would ask me how old I was when I lost my virginity and most directors asked me to say that I was 18. They don't want me to put the image in any viewers head that I was once under 18. It surprises me that Max Hardcore would be able to get away with something like that. And what girl would agree to say that she's under 18 years old in a film? Think of all the guys who blow their load as she says she's 14 and then the viewer kidnaps one of the neighbor kids for some fun in the basement. I'm glad Max Hardcore is in jail. His videos should be thrown in the trash.
sexandgrammar
02-28-2011, 01:43 PM
His videos should be thrown in the trash.
I can't watch Max Hardcore's stuff. I find it disturbing to say the least.
Once again, though, I have to say that when you start criminalizing certain types of porn, it is a very, very slippery slope. What about kink.com's stuff (or other such ethically made, feminist-minded porn that is nonetheless full of simulated violence by way of BDSM, ageplay, and yes, pissing?)
The way that ALL porn--including the stuff that we as camgirls are producing--gets legislated is by extreme, sex-negative feminists and the religious right getting their hands on stuff like Max Hardcore, and running with it. To them, his films are no different from those of Candida Royale. Porn is porn, to them, no matter the content, and all of it is evil and horrible and degrading to women and threatening to marriage, et cetera, et cetera, bullshit upon bullshit. To them, you are no different from Max Hardcore--actually, scratch that. To them, you, as an independent, intelligent woman, who should be APPLAUDED for refusing to work with M.H., are no different from the women who DO work with him. It's ridiculous. Duh.
So, seriously: how would you actually PHRASE legislation against the sort of stuff Max Hardcore makes? It's nearly impossible. We as women can refuse to work with filmmakers like him, and that's our prerogative just as its other women's prerogative to work with him, and his prerogative to work.
Bambalina
02-28-2011, 03:50 PM
I am a constitutional extremist (huge surprise right?) and believe that free speech and defining "art" or "obscenity" or any of that, is not even a slippery slope. You should never really go there.
That being said, where does on draw the line?
Obviously, I'm assuming most here would say a "snuff film" should be illegal.
That REAL child pornography should be illegal. Actual rape on film, ditto.
How about a simulated snuff film, which is represented as real? Where they never SAY this is fake? Add in intercourse with the 'corpse'? All that OK?
Ok, same for child porn and rape? If it were represented as REAL, should that make it illegal? Even if it is actually consensual and everyone overage behind the scenes...?
Now, we add in with all of these...as stated above, that it is diclaimered at the beginning or end that this is SIMULATED, and everyone is on board and cool with it. But we're representing completely illegal acts happening which aren't consensual. Is that OK?
Now let me ask this, to get the moral pot percolating.
Someone makes a video (with a disclaimer at the beginning that says this is for "entertainment" purposes only...Everyone is consensual, and over age) and the video represents a pedophile stalking a 14 year old girl with his Video camera, and it shows him stalk, rape and then kill and mutilate the girl..represents it as sexy and like porn...
Should THAT be legal?
Ok, now what about a movie about the life of Jeffery Dahmer, that shows him kidnapping and killing young boys and being a cannibal and stuff?
Legal or Illegal?
And how do these TRULY differ from "Halloween", or "Friday the 13th" or other horror movies which show murder (illegal), rape (illegal) and often to high school kids...who can be presumed to be under 18...
I mean where do YOU draw the line, and where do you think the LAW should draw the line?
The constitution of the USA (I know you're not all from here, but most think it is a pretty darn good document) GUARANTEES the right to Free Expression, Free Speech. No exceptions are included. According to the strict reading of the Constitution, they made it Illegal to Yell "FIRE!!!!" in a crowded theater. But eh Constitution provides for absolutely NO speech that should ever be prohibited. Same for art and expression.
Thoughts?
B
ukmissy
02-28-2011, 05:37 PM
^ what she said !!!
B - I was about to type out pretty much what you said -
I was also once of the mindset , that as long as it harms no one - then who really cares what is 'portrayed' on camera/role play .... Until a guy asked me to pretend I wanted to rape a 9 year old child with him , and slice her pussy with barbed wire , until there was a new wound - big enough for him to fuck - upon which we'd kill and dispose of her body ......
It was such a revolting scenario, that part of me wonders if he only asked me to get a reaction . ( or maybe that's me putting too much faith in humanity , and not wanting to accept someone can be that twisted ) ... but like you ask , where do we draw the line - I guess his request found my line , and he was on the wrong side of it .......
Sure there's a big chance of this being only fantasy - personally I don't care, and I don't want it on my conscience -
SO I think , NOT everything is OK - I guess it has to be case by case, and we have to have our own lines - it's important that we do !!!! I don't think it's right to put everything down to 'well it's fantasy so it's ok '
Certain things are clearly not OK, and when asked for things which my perverted mind couldn't even dream up under pressure - I find myself backing off.... quickly !
How has this discussion ended up in this thread ? lol ... was this not the girl who was trying to help studio girls in Russia ! I'm sure we've cross threaded somewhere !!!!
sexandgrammar
02-28-2011, 05:48 PM
These are exactly the questions that I'm so interested in, and that I, frankly, have no idea how to begin answering. Have you read Pat Califia (now Patrick Califia-Rice)? I highly recommend his "Public Sex." Lots in there about the first amendment and the dangerous legislation of desire.
One example that I find particularly useful/confounding: Sally Mann and Jock Sturges, both well-known photographers, who document childhood, family, and intimacy in images that I personally find breathtakingly beautiful. And mysterious. And haunting. And yet, many of their photographs are of naked--and sometimes unabashedly sexual--children and adolescents. Predictably, both Mann and Sturges have come under INTENSE federal scrutiny and indeed criticism for their photographs, for this very reason.
Now. Back to the debate about child pornography. Like B said, above, I'm sure that we would all agree that REAL child pornography should be illegal--although I'm not sure we could all agree on a definition of what "REAL," in any practical sense, means. What about teenagers sending their partners risque photos? Ill-advised, maybe, but for the most all in good fun (I know I took many a naked photo of my underage self, albeit with a Polaroid--ah, good analog times).
This is all to say that I think it's damn near impossible to effectively legislate this sort of stuff. And I think that focusing on Max Hardcore is a total red herring. There is real child pornography being made, for one. There is real sex trafficking going on. To hold Max Hardcore--who is probably a pretty lame dude, and not all that ground-breaking or even offensive (and yes, I have seen his movies)--up as a worst-case example gives the guy too much credit. And gives the people doing real harm, the people who operate silently, just the spectacle they need to slip by unnoticed.
MsJess
02-28-2011, 06:41 PM
Omg i haven't read all the replies but this makes me so sad!
Cyrano22
03-01-2011, 08:54 AM
Great comments ladies . I have taken the liberty of sharing some of this in the Reading room of CGN..where some of you at least have recently joined us.
I have added your comments in an existing thread:
Can You Make Porn that's good for women?, How To Fight Against "Dark Porn?"
http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?act=ST&f=32&t=1947&st=0#entry12541
UL
sexandgrammar
03-01-2011, 10:49 AM
Hey Cyrano,
Glad to see the conversation is continuing elsewhere. I have to say, though, I'm a little disappointed with what you've chosen to title your post, "Can You Make Porn That's Good For Women? How To Fight Against 'Dark Porn'." Even with the scare-quotes around "Dark," I think it grossly misstates what we women are debating.
First off, I'm not sure any of us question whether you can make porn that's good for women. All of us are, after all, making porn, which is good for, if not all women, then at least presumably us.
But that's not the half of it. In general, I find your post minimizing, patronizing, and creating just the false dichotomies that radical feminists and the religious right thrive on. Um, there are MANY more categories than simply "joyful" porn and "dark porn." Personally, I'm a fan of porn that is quite dark, but created in an ethical, feminist manner, a la, as I've often said here, the stuff on kink.com, the "Rough Sex" series from feminist writer and director Tristan Taormino, et. al.
I could go on, but I have to say, as a stated academic, your critical method is questionable at best. "Increasingly there's a distinction being made..." by who? And why the passive voice? So that you don't have to cite your sources because, no surprise, you have none.
I'm sorry if this is seen as further thread-derailing, confrontational, and aggressive. I'm feeling aggressive, it's true. I fucking hate it when guys come in and tell me what I, as a feminist, feel about pornography, what I, as a feminist, use to get myself off, what I, as a feminist, should feel warm and fuzzy about creating and consuming. Bull-fucking-shit. How paternalistic can you be, really? A hell of a lot more, if Cam-Girl Notes is any indication, but that's another story.
Felons_Felony
03-01-2011, 03:14 PM
I'm sorry, but when you begin questioning whether or not certain kinds of consensual porns should be produced for fear that they may provoke someone into committing less-than-consensual acts of any kind, you aren't holding the provoked scumfuck accountable for his or her own actions. In a world where morals & ethics don't exist beyond the people who hold them dear, I liken it to saying women ought to cover themselves or risk rape. A cousin of mine is doing time right now for sexually assaulting a vulnerable adult and, after seizing his computer, one of the pieces of evidence used against him was the "questionable pornography" he had on his hard drive.
I'm proudly & vehemently sex-positive, and I consider myself a lifestyle submissive. That said, I've had a lot of boyfriends take advantage of my proclivities. One of my ex-boyfriends didn't really have so much a dominant personality, but was very lazy and decided to take the opportunity to date a submissive girl and have all of his meals prepared, laundry cleaned, and responsibilities alleviated. You can't really compare a lazy kid dating a sub. to a pedophile watching ageplay porn, but my point is that people are people and pornography is a tool. Whether or not people use tools for good instead of evil is dependent completely on THEM.
Felons_Felony
03-01-2011, 03:15 PM
P.S. I'm glad to be on a board where I can say that if another sex-negative feminist motherfucker tells me that feminism & stripping are mutually exclusive... ugh.
Cyrano22
03-01-2011, 03:59 PM
Actually Kandi.. The title isn't entirely mine.. Mostly taken from Alternet, where these issues are hotly debated in the Sex and Relationship rubric.
As for my simple bi-polar categorization of porn into Good Woman friendly porn and bad "Dark Porn" that recruits it audience offering the spectacle of some hot chick's degradation, it's not very original..Actually, it's pretty common in the popular literature... For instance as in this quote:
This is how Carmine Sassacino and Kevin M. Scott describe the typical career of a young American porn "actresses" in California - as they are sucked into the industry and then used up in a matter of six months - in their 2008 book, The Porning of America....
The vast majority of female porn performers have a very different kind of career than Jenna Jameson, and produce a very different kind of porn. A walk through an average adult video store or an hour spent on line browsing the virtual shelves makes the internal class structure of the business of pornography painfully clear.
Most women are in the business for a short time, and this is for a reason. Unlike the porn elites, the run-of-the-mill female performers lack distinction of any kind. They are generic, utterly interchangeable and usually appear in anthology movies along with other interchangeable performers. Watching their DVD's make the anti-porn feminist's claims about the degradation of women suddenly convincing, if only until we regain our larger perspective. Unless they quickly leave the porn world, they are whisked along the entire dark highway of its sex acts, always with the same series of stops: as we have seen, they start with girl/girl, then move on to girl/boy with oral and vaginal penetration, then on to anal penetration, followed by "double penetration," then on to interracial, and finally they are dumped at the grimy end of the road, "pinkeye" and abuse porn. An entire "career" often lasts less than a year. Six months is not unusual."
Anyway I didn't intend to say anything very polemical here. This is your space for debate, and not mine. I only thought to signal that there was a parallel discussion going on next door, if anybody cared to stop by...
BTW I don't really consider myself to be a sex negative feminist muthafukah... That label might have fit better a few years ago when my thoughts on much of this had been shaped by the "rescue industry" and I imagined myself to be a deputy enlisted in "Cap'n Sav-A-Ho's" posse. Increasingly, the more I listen to the people who work in this industry, the more skeptical I become of many of the claims made by the radical feminists. The links that underlie their paradigm of a Global Sex Industry - where "porn feeds the market demand for prostitution which in turns promotes human trafficking and slavery" so that Porn = Slavery- don't stand up to close empirical inspection and don't correspond to what most western, middle class sex workers have to say about their own motivations and work experience in the sex industry.
But imagine for a second, that they did. Then that accusation would link the daily suffering of countless young women in the Philippines or the Ukraine, to the "action propaganda" that you guys perform every day online.. So engaging their ideological arguments in favor of prohibition, is as important as engaging the broader issues of coerced labor and human trafficking in the global sex industry. Human trafficking serves as their strongest political argument for closing down the entire adult sex industry - along with Planned Parenthood apparently...
In my case, then, real life testimony has trumped ideology. I guess that makes me, and our forum, an industry shill and the "objective ally" of the web-pimps "in the future enslavement of young women," etc. etc.- which is certainly what many of my academic colleagues will say about much of what we have posted on CGN.
But in the meantime, keep up the great work... I always learn something new from listening in here.
UL
sexandgrammar
03-02-2011, 06:49 AM
Anyway I didn't intend to say anything very polemical here.
UL
I love how you say you "didn't intend to say anything very polemical here"... and then go on to say something not only polemical but, frankly, pretty predictable. Once again, your critical skills are sorely lacking--if you actually expect to get a master's some day, it would behoove you to quote more than one, pop-culture-101-style book. Just sayin'.
But, fine, I get that you're going to keep on quoting (in a parroting & wholly unoriginal way, I might add). That said, the way that you framed our discussion, over on CGN, was offensive, simplistic, paternalistic. Truly. And the way you've come back here to defend yourself (editing your post, what, three times?) was all of those things & also laughable. The emperor has no clothes!
You. are. not. a. woman.
You. are. not. involved. in. the sex industry.
We are not children. Don't speak to us like we're children. Your pseudo-academic bullshit might work over in your forum, but it doesn't here. We are smarter than that. And we are unimpressed.
Dancing Days
03-02-2011, 07:28 AM
In response to Bambalina -
As I'm sure you know, this is a very Puritanical society...even (especially) now. The people ruling this country were born and raised in a very different time and do not understand that the world has changed since then. It's now more popular than ever to see hardcore pornography almost everywhere you go. When I started surfing the internet at the age of 10, I was *bombarded* with all kinds of porn even when I wasn't looking for it, making my sexual development speed up tremendously.
With that said, I couldn't have possibly imagined how many different paraphilias were out there that got people off. Some people just can't get off unless they see a girl that looks underage or someone that is being abused. Porn companies were doing their best to cater to those people because it was an untapped corner of the market that people were afraid to go to. Those companies started skirting the law by getting those 18 year olds that still look 12 or even use image manipulating software to make them LOOK younger. Is that illegal? NO. Does the govt think it should be? YES. Why?
Personally, I feel that if there was no porn that was made just for the guys that are into underage, they would be a lot more likely to go out and pursue a real-life interaction or find REAL child pornography. I'd rather there be stuff like "Daddy Fucked a Babysitter" where the girl is 18 years old instead of "Daddy Fucked His Daughter" where the girl is 11 years old.
Bambalina
03-02-2011, 11:49 AM
To me, we enter seriously uncharted territory when we begin to discuss, in any fashion, what porn does or doesn't do to the viewer/user/proponent. I think that those who say that watching porn CAUSES men to go out and rape women are very much speaking out the side of their mouth and saying something which has no real place in a truly honest debate. I ALSO think that to say that allowing a person outlet to their societally forbidden sexual desires lessens the chances they will act in "reality" is a disingenuous card to play in debate.
That being said, MOST of those I ever discuss this with (and there have been a LOT) have fallen into a few categories that really make many of their arguments useless or transparent. But three forms of anti-porn stand out for me:
1st. The person, USUALLY female, who finds porn UGLY, and doesn't like the way, in general that it expresses something "so completely private" as available for every eye. It MUST degrade women, because as a woman *I* could never imagine being portrayed this way unless I was horribly abused, forced, coerced, or mentally so off-balance as to be unable to make my own decisions. Therefor anything you say will always be sluffed off as your poor mental state and being trapped in the hell of wanting to be degraded like that.
2nd. I'm a feminist,. Porn serves men and the male dominated society. It is wrong. Women are victims, coerced, etc. and would never stoop so low as to selling sexuality if they were strong, wide-eyed and in their right mind. Men are insidious, mostly damaged and even moreso QUITE OFTEN evil.
3rd. I am a man who wants not to be "evil" by definition of females, because I respect them, and so I want to stand out as being for their rights and against all those guttural, testosterone poisoned nastiness and victimization...paternalism...oppression...and since I am not female, I must take my cues from the women around me who can discuss this with some reality. (They then go to the most outspoken of critics, #1 and #2).
In the end, my biggest problem with both sides ends up being "self responsibility", since the anti-porn folks want you to believe that women have none, pedophiles have none, rapists have none, and that porn can be blamed for all of the loss of control, and evil controlling men and previous abuse and many other factors can be blamed for removing a woman's sovereign right to take ownership of her body as she sees fit and to do with it what she will. That is GONE, and these others, #1 #2 and #3 all have THIS self responsibility to be able to tell us what is good for us. For millions of years some asshole has decided that we're too dumb, or too poor, or too fucked up to be in charge of our own existence, and has then used that to dictate what we SHOULD do, and then legislate it.
Drugs, Sex, Religion, Child-rearing practices, Orientation, etc. Have ALL been subject to what I call Absolute Moralists, who believe there is a moral code and it is engraved on some tablets and they are privy to it and must see that we whack jobs fall into line and the moral code is enforced.
On the other end of the spectrum, I worry that sex positive folks, of which I consider myself one, have a tendency to to play black to the white knights of the self responsibility game...that EVERYONE is fully self responsible at all times...which is clearly untrue if one takes even Sociology 101, or Psych 101...people are strongly influenced by their surroundings. So, to have all concepts of adult-child sex or rape shunned across the board, illegal even if in "simulated form", etc. sends a message to those out there who have pedophilic feelings but serious fears of persecution and prosecution, as well as the social stigma and desire to avoid ostracization and banishment...this is not at all acceptable, and those feelings make you a pariah. So, does allowing the legitimizing influence of "simulated" pedophilia and rape and such, allow for the person who has these socially unacceptable urges to then feel that society is now allowing this inroad, this acceptance of the urge as fantasy. Is that a good or bad thing?
I just know that self-resposibility is NOT black and white, and the HUGE problem with the porn/anti-porn debate is that many proponents on both sides want it to be black and white and will never argue in shades of gray.
Does porn ever cause an unstable individual to go past the tipping point and do something "bad"?? VERY probably...
Does porn even stop someone who feels certain needs, but fears the outcome of expressing them, from doing something "bad" because now they have an outlet? VERY probably...
Does porn bring sorrow and pain and allow for a large amount of human beings to be enslaved, abused or destroyed? Well, it can be proven that yes, this happens.
Does it bring a living to some, does it bring joy to others, is sexuality and the expression of it healthy, and do we have a right to explore it in artistic and media forms? And lastly are our bodies OUR OWN to do with as we please!? Absol-fucking-lutely!
So, these are thorny issues and not black and white simple issues.
But the minute you tell a person they do not have the right to choose their own path for their body and being, whether you like it or not, approve or not, you have crossed a line at least equal to those who use coercion and past trauma to 'get vulnerable girls into porn'...
B
Cyrano22
03-02-2011, 08:21 PM
My sexandgrammar ,I am sorry if I failed my oral exam. It won't be the first time that an smart camgirl decided that I was an intellectual light-weight and then proceeded to hand me my head on a plate. lol. But I am a persistent old bugger, so here goes.
It seems to me that the real issue here was posed by UKmissy when she asked:
"How has this discussion ended up in this thread ? lol ... was this not the girl who was trying to help studio girls in Russia ! I'm sure we've cross threaded somewhere !!!!"
So what possible connection could there be between the issue of human trafficking and the debate about sex-positive or sex negative porn? Well I was trying to suggest that there are quite a few people "outside the industry," who have taken a keen interest in that question and who are trying to nail down that connection "tight. "
Why would they want to do that? Well for adult industry critics who aim at its abolition, they could then accomplish two strategic goals: a)make the case that the global sex industry depends to some unknown degree on women "content producers" who are either trafficked or coerced in some way to work in porn or online and b) that ordinary consumers would have no idea whether the content they were buying was produced by independent sex entrepreneurs or women who had been involuntarily prostituted in some way or another.. Actually reading over this thread there are several posts which suggest at least several different ways in which this could have been occurring on well established web-sites like Streamate or MFC...
This is what we might call "a smoking gun" for anyone - like Richard Polin for instance - who wants to argue that the expansion of a new slave trade is connected to the growth of the global sex industries. So if this new "frame of meaning" is accepted in the Academy or the Media as the new "conventional wisdom," then you guys are facing a serious political problem for two reasons. First we would have the break-down of the liberal paradigm where the defense sex industry was associated with the protection of free speech and the liberty of individual expression ( They don't call the industrial lobby of the Adult Video Industry "The Free Speech Coalition" for nothing).. And second, we would witness the rebirth of a paradigm where official "liberal" toleration of sex commerce is associated with complicity with human coercion and slavery. Framing the sex industry in this way could neutralize Liberal support for the legal adult entertainment industry and/or the defense of sex worker rights.. Freedom for sex work would come to mean its very opposite. In one sense this is nothing new. MacKinnon et al have worked this argument that sex works is a form of violence against women that violates their fundamental human rights for decades.. But the human trafficking campaign gives this old argument about human rights in regard to the sex industry a new salience. And as Andrea Dworkin told us the Men of the Left some time ago "You can't have your Whores and your Politics too." So this is round two in an old fight.
Second, these kinds of academic arguments can and will be appropriated by the Christian Right as as the primary rationale for overturning the Sexual revolution of the 20th century on the grounds that it didn't bring us emancipation but the enslavement of women...These forces have considerable juice within the Republican coalition and must be placated with symbolic consolation prizes - like the recent elimination of all Title Ten funding for Women's reproductive health care (317 million) on the grounds that Planned Parenthood promoted abortion and provided abortion services to underage girls who had been trafficked by pimps. This (false) charge is very similar to the premise behind the video sting against ACORN in the Fall of 2009 that resulted in the elimination of all federal funding for the country's largest association representing the interests of America's working poor.. Thus the trafficking issue has become an very effective weapon that can be used against progressive mass organizations, so why couldn't it be re-deployed against the existing legalized sector of the sex industry? If it could be in the past, it will be in the future.
Anyway..enough parroting of the positions of our adversaries. Let's do a little reporting on the problem that could emerge if this equation of the sex industry with human trafficking is allowed to stand and to frame the debate over the legal status of the sex industry and sex workers. BYw, I think that this shift is already well underway and that we are looking at a runaway train headed your way.
Document No 1. 2008 Statement by CATW to the UN Commission on the Status of Women:
"UN Commission on the Status of Women--Oral Statement on Eradicating Commercial Sexual Exploitation
Author(s): CATW (Feb. 2008)
United Nations Commission on the Status of Women, Fifty-second Session, 2008
February 28, 2008
The Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, the Congregation of Our Lady of Charity of the Good Shepherd, UNANIMA International, and Mouvement pour l’Abolition de la Prostitution et la Pornographie urge immediate action to eradicate the commercial sexual exploitation of women and girls through changes in laws and policies, including economic and political measures.
Commercial sexual exploitation of women and girls of all ages, including prostitution, pornography, the Internet bride industry, and sex tourism, is one of the most devastating, and escalating practices of gender-based violence assaulting the human rights and dignity of women and girls. Victims of the sex industry, often suffer severe physical and mental health consequences including injuries from beatings and rapes; psychological trauma; HIV/AIDS; and alcohol and drug abuse either induced by pimps or by victims’ attempts to reduce their physical and mental pain.
Increasingly, governments prioritize revenue and profit at the expense of women’s rights and equality. Specifically, they have adopted policies tolerating, regulating, and, in some places, even legalizing prostitution as a form of work and legitimate source of state revenue, with the explicit encouragement of inter-governmental organizations. Such policies fail to acknowledge the enormous extent to which women and girls in the sex industry have been trafficked and exploited, nationally and across borders, as defined by the Palermo Protocol. Prostitution should not be labeled “sex work,” and accepted as any other job. It is also a mistake to assume that trafficked children are no longer victims but “voluntary workers” when they reach the age of 18, or that prostitution no longer poses the same harms to their well-being.
Trafficking, prostitution and other forms of commercial sexual exploitation are fueled by male demand. Codifying male sexual privilege by legalizing or regulating prostitution gives men permission to increase the demand for trafficking for sexual exploitation. Legitimizing prostitution as work thus commences a vicious cycle in which the sex industry expands, and increases the demand for sex trafficking victims. Countries that have legalized prostitution activities should recognize the integral link between prostitution and sex trafficking, and that they are, in fact, creating profitable markets for traffickers.
We believe that no society that purports to uphold gender equality should tolerate and accept the sexual commodification of women and girls. The UN, governments and civil society must, therefore, shift the moral and criminal responsibility for sexual exploitation away from the women and girls who are victimized to the men who harm them, the traffickers who enslave them, and those governments who countenance such violence. Governments must increase support and services for all victims of sex trafficking. Governments must initiate public education campaigns aimed at preventing victimization and eliminating demand. Governments must create and enforce effective laws against trafficking and sexual exploitation, as obligated by the Palermo Protocol, the Convention for the Suppression of the Traffic in Persons and of the Exploitation of the Prostitution of Others, CEDAW and other international instruments.
It is unacceptable that a sub-class of impoverished and socially marginalized women and girls are exposed to the harms of prostitution in an ill-fated attempt to address development and the feminization of poverty. Legitimization and normalization of the sex industry have a profound, negative long-term impact on the human rights, integrity and dignity of all women and girls. We therefore urge that governments prevent the proliferation of the sex industry.
Document No 2 from Laura Agustin- the internationally recognized critic of the "rescue industry."
- Border Thinking on Migration, Trafficking and Commercial Sex - http://www.lauraagustin.com
Business strategies brought to campaign to ‘End Demand’ for commercial sex
Posted By laura agustin On 7 October 2010 @ 09:30 In trafficking
[1]
Pornography is characterized as a training manual for men to buy sex in the campaign described here. Sound odd? Developments confirm that industry was a good term to describe the burgeoning phenomenon I used in the title of my book ([2] Sex at the Margins: Migration, Labour Markets and the Rescue Industry), and I now see it as logical that business strategies should be brought to the cause. This campaign aims to eliminate demand for commercial sex (elsewhere in the report called the demand for trafficking, which they should scrap as it makes no sense). Organisations subscribing include ngos, public services like police, FBI and hospitals, business corporations, foundations, journalists, nuns et cetera. Are government employees permitted to use their titles in such privately-funded campaigns?
From the Executive Summary of the[3] National Planning Meeting to Eliminate Demand for Commercial Sex, Cambridge, Massachusetts, May 8–May 10, 2010, Sponsored by the [4] Embrey Family Foundation and [5] Hunt Alternatives Fund:
Most public and private resources dedicated to human trafficking in the past decade have been crisis oriented, understandably geared toward rescuing and rehabilitating victims and, to some extent, prosecuting the perpetrators. However, policymakers, academics, and activists increasingly recognize that the endless supply of victims won’t abate unless we combat the demand for trafficking. A growing number of countries and cities worldwide have designed policies and programs to end this demand. We are not starting from scratch.
Inspired by the work of others worldwide, and in collaboration with a team of top-level advisers, Hunt Alternatives Fund is launching a multi-year, multi-stakeholder campaign to eradicate demand for commercial sexual exploitation in the United States.
As a first step, [6] Abt Associates Inc., a consultancy in Cambridge, MA, was contracted to review practice, policy, law, and research related to demand reduction. The Abt consultants were asked to suggest three to four frameworks for developing a national strategy.
The planning meeting was a chance to develop a common understanding of demand and create a national campaign focused on effectiveness and devoid of partisanship and ideology. Recommendations included the following (also called Landscape Assessment for the National Campaign).
1. Conduct ongoing research, especially as a tool to unlock public (thus, official) support.
2. Leverage survivors’ knowledge and experiences to put the research in a human context and to cultivate political will by making an undeniable case for addressing demand.
3. Lobby Congress to pass, strengthen, and fund laws.
4. Build coalitions to unify the movement’s work. Dr. Shively cited mental health as an example of how a movement can use procedures.
A selection of suggestions from the meeting:
* We need to attack prostitution as “a business like any other corporation,” and we must convert profit-making practices into liabilities, as was done to the tobacco industry.
* We should seize large marketing opportunities, such as the upcoming World Cup matches in South Africa, to “create controversy on a world level” and use it to draw attention to prostitution.
* Hotels that are sites of exploitation should train employees to recognize the signs of sex trafficking and require that they sign a Code of Conduct sponsored by ECPAT, but many refuse to do so.
* We need to harness the power of technology, specifically e-advertising, to raise awareness and increase public engagement.
* We should tap “celebrity power” to use major stars’ influence to encourage public engagement."
Article printed from Border Thinking on Migration, Trafficking and Commercial Sex: http://www.lauraagustin.com
URL to article: http://www.lauraagustin.com/management-tec...-commercial-sex
Now I could add more documents that all point in the pretty much the same direction.. And that should be a serious source of concern that's not easy to dismiss. These folks are not just "patronizing." They are actually authoritarians who mean to rescue sex workers from their enslavement whether they want it or not...And we have seen this before in the period during WWI when legal sex commerce was suppressed in many American cities.
Of course that won't eliminate it -just drive it underground or overseas.. and back into the control of pimps and cops managing women sex workers in an uneasy alliance.. At which point the cultural distance that separates the sex industry in the US and the ones in the Ukraine or Belarus will tend to disappear.
So do you want to address this "perfect shit-storm" that's in the making?? Or not? And If you plan on doing so, do you want to face it alone? As in "Sisters! Ourselves Alone!" Hmmm.. Maybe cultivating some outside allies might be good Plan B if the first plan fails?
UL
CGN
Cyrano22
03-02-2011, 08:23 PM
Here's the list of participants in the Meeting described on L.Agustin's Blog:
Read the report’s [7] Executive Summary or the [8] whole long thing. Here’s the list of participants in the planning meeting:
• David Abramowitz, Director of Policy and Government Relations, Humanity United
• Christopher Adams, Polaris Project, Director Of Operations
• Annjanette Alejano-Steele, Laboratory to Combat Human Trafficking, Research and Training Director
• Kayrita Anderson, Harold & Kayrita Anderson Family Foundation, CEO
• Hilary Axam, DOJ Civil Rights, Acting Director Human Trafficking Prosecution Unit
• Luis cdeBaca, Ambassador at Large, Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons, U.S. Department of State
• Christina Bain, Program Administrator for the Initiative to Stop Human Trafficking, Carr Center for Human Rights Policy, Kennedy School, Harvard University
• Kevin Bales, Free the Slaves, President
• Julie Bindel, Journalist, Researcher and Feminist Campaigner
• Katherine Blakeslee, U.S. Agency for International Development Director, Office of Women in Development
• Rachel Boisselle, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Special Agent
• Theodore Bunch, A CALL TO MEN, Co-Director
• Cathy Boisvert, YWCA of Central Massachusetts Daybreak Coordinator of Special Projects
• Francine Braae, SAGE Project, Co-Executive Director
• John Chris Bray, Phoenix Police Department, Vice Enforcement Unit Sergeant
• Jimmie Briggs Jr., Man Up, Founder/Executive Director
• Elizabeth, Cafferty. Massachusetts General Hospital, Associate Director, Division of Global Health and Human Rights
• Brigitte Cazalis-Collins, Friends of Maiti Nepal, Executive Director
• Kristy Childs, Veronica’s Voice, Executive Director
• Katherine Chon, Polaris Project, President and Co-Founder
• Adam Cohen, NoPornNorthampton, Co-Founder
• Joseph Collins, Friends of Maiti Nepal
• Dawn Conway, LexisNexis, Sr. Vice President of Corporate Responsibility
• Janice Shaw Crouse, Ph.D., Concerned Women for America, Director and Senior Fellow at the Beverly LaHaye Institute
• Linda Daniels, Department of Defense, Program Manager, Trafficking in Persons Program
• Stephanie Davis, Georgia Women for a Change, Executive Director
• Gail Dines, Professor of Sociology and Women’s Studies, Wheelock College in Boston
• Rachel Durchslag, Chicago Alliance Against Sexual Exploitation, Executive Director
• Jesse Eaves, Children in Crisis
• Carol Edgar, Carol Edgar Communications, Media Consultant
• Gayle Embrey, Embrey Family Foundation, Executive Vice President
• Heather Faris, Air Change, Co-Executive Director
• Melissa Farley, Prostitution Research & Education, Director
• Amanda Finger, Laboratory to Combat Human Trafficking, Executive Director
• Ken Franzblau, Equality Now
• Eleanor Gaetan, Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, Senior Policy Advisor
• Donna Gavin, Boston Police Department, Family Justice Center, Human Trafficking Unit, Sergeant Detective
• Susan Goldfarb, Children’s Advocacy Center of Suffolk County, Executive Director
• Samir Goswami, Chicago Community Trust, 2010 Fellow
• Deena Graves, Traffick911, Executive Director
• Florence Graves, Brandeis University, Founding Director, Schuster Institute for Investigative Journalism
• Ruchira Gupta, Apne Aap Women Worldwide, Founder/President
• Marian Hatcher, Cook County Sheriff’s Office, Administrative Assistant to the Executive Director
• Kaethe Morris Hoffer, Chicago Alliance Against Sexual Exploitation, Legal Director
• Wiveca Holst, Swedish Women’s Lobby
• Michael Horowitz, Hudson Institute
• Donna Hughes, University of Rhode Island, Professor and Eleanor M. and Oscar M. Carlson Endowed Chair; Co-Founder of Citizens Against Trafficking
• Kathryn Infanger, Marion County Prosecutor’s Office, Deputy Prosecutor
• Guy Jacobson, RedLight Children, Executive Director
• Cherie Jimenez, Kim’s Project, Coordinator
• Celiné Justice, Peace is Loud, Program Director
• Jackson Katz, Anti-sexist male activist and Co-founder of the Mentors In Violence Prevention
• Nan Kennelly, Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons, U.S. State Department, Deputy Director
• Amanda Kimball, Children at Risk, Director of Public Policy and Government Affairs
• Beth Klein, Esq., Klein-Frank P.C., Founder & Managing Shareholder; Fellow of the Colorado Bar Foundation
• Mark Lagon, Consultant on Corporate Social Responsibility and Human Trafficking (an independent consultancy); former Ambassador at Large to Combat Trafficking in Persons at U.S. State Department
• Carole Lombard, Sisters of St. Joseph Boston, Director of Justice and Peace
• Victor Malarek, Investigative Journalist
• Mohamed Mattar, Johns Hopkins University, Director of the Protection Project
• Katherine McCullough, A Future. Not A Past./Juvenile Justice Fund, Campaign Director
• Terrie McDermott, Cook County Sheriff’s Office, Executive Director of the Department of Women’s Justice Services
• Karen McLaughlin, International Organization for Victim Assistance, Director of Public Policy
• John Miller, former Ambassador at Large to Combat Trafficking in Persons, U.S. State Department
• Martin Monto, Professor of Sociology, Portland State University,
• Bradley Myles, Polaris Project, Executive Director and CEO
• Maria-Isabel Nieto, BAVARIA S.A., Director of Government Affairs
• Audrey Porter, My Life My Choice, Assistant Director
• Norma Ramos, Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, Executive Director
• Jendi Reiter, NoPornNorthampton, Co-Founder
• Deborah Richardson, Women’s Funding Network, Chief Program Officer
• Mary Robertson, Laboratory to Combat Human Trafficking, Research Assistant; University of Colorado at Boulder, graduate student of sociology
• Beth Schapiro, Beth Schapiro and Associates, Executive Director
• Jeff Sedgwick, Keswick Associates, President; former Assistant Attorney General, U.S. Department of Justice
• Jane Nady Sigmon, Ph.D., Senior Coordinator for International Programs in the U.S. State Department’s Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons, Global Affairs
• Carol Smolenski, ECPAT-USA, Executive Director
• Melysa Sperber, Vital Voices Global Partnership, Senior Program Officer for Human Rights
• Dorothy Stafford, Middle Georgia Alliance to End Regional Trafficking, Board of Directors
• Guðrún Jónsdóttir Stígamot, Counseling and Information Center on Sexual Violence, Spokesperson
• Karen Strauss, Polaris Project
• Lisa Thompson, The Salvation Army National Headquarters, Liaison for the Abolition of Sexual Trafficking
• Samantha Vardaman, Shared Hope International, Senior Director
• Steve Vienneau, FBI Boston, Agent
• Mary Rita Weschler, The Women’s Table, Sisters of St. Joseph of Boston, Director
• Alan White, SAGE Project, Co-Executive Director
• Linda Williams, University of Massachusetts Lowell, Professor
• Brian Willis, Global Health Promise, Director
• Alicia Foley Winn, The Boston Initiative to Advance Human Rights, Executive Director
• Thirteen police officers and sheriff’s deputies whose identities are withheld
• An additional 10 people who were interviewed but requested anonymity
• Relevant discussions were held with an additional 15 people during conferences and events convened by the U.S. Department of Justice and U.S. Department of State
Arialandre
03-02-2011, 08:31 PM
Ummm...?
sexandgrammar
03-03-2011, 06:55 AM
Seriously, where the fuck does this asshole get off?
nocturne
03-03-2011, 07:53 AM
I so don't want to pipe up on this, but okay: the point he's making is exactly the opposite of what you think he's saying. That said, he's going about making his point in the worst possible way.
Cyrano, not to go critiquing your approach or anything, but I'm totally going to critique your approach: I'd make your point first, succinctly, then follow up with evidence if it's questioned or requested. Because unless people are in an evidence-reading mode, you're leaving yourself pretty open to misunderstanding, which is obviously what's happening here.
My own opinion on the larger issue on this thread is pretty predictable: I've got a real problem with the religious right (predictably), I've got a real problem with anti-porn rhetoric, I want to punch anyone who uses sex trafficking as propaganda to manipulate the world into thinking sex work needs to be, or continue to be, criminalized, because I fucking hate it when "advocates" and legislators treat sex workers like toddlers. But that's been going on for so long that I've become numb to it.
However, I'll also say this: I've seen a lot of that rhetoric change. Ten years ago, anti-porn and what I consider to be anti-sex-worker rhetoric was much more common. And I think you can take the resistance to what they think you're saying as a sign that things are changing, especially if Melissa Farley finally got knocked down for mistaking egregiously condescending dogma for research.
And on the larger issue on this thread, before the little clusterfuck above: I tend to agree on the slippery slope issue. Once we start regulating porn, we're in trouble. Obviously, child porn is wrong, but that's not about porn, that's about abusing children. Snuff is wrong, but that's not about porn either, that's about brutal, sexualized murder. I think the point being made here is that people use these extremes to try to erode certain freedoms, just as people use human trafficking to keep prostitution illegal. They're different crimes - sex work and slavery - but the rhetoric presumes we can't tell the difference.
And if I'm understanding Cyrano's point correctly, these people - that big-ass list above - believe that cam work is where porn and prostitution overlap, because people are trafficked not just to escort but to cam as well. Which is where the thread started.
sexandgrammar
03-03-2011, 08:41 AM
^ No, I get exactly what he's saying. I just think it's an incredibly simplistic point, said in the most patronizing way possible. A shit ton of pretension coupled with a complete lack of substance do not a good argument make. The fucker hasn't earned our ear, & in fact has continued to insult our intelligence. Wow, Cyrano, you think I'm a "smart camgirl"? Thank you! Truly! I love being patted on the head by men with less education (both sexual AND academic) than me! Excuse me while I barf in my mouth a little bit.
Moving on... I like how you put this, Nocturne: "Obviously, child porn is wrong, but that's not about porn, that's about abusing children." I think that's a great jumping off point to continue our debate.
Cyrano22
03-03-2011, 09:02 AM
This will be my last post in this thread but I thought this story is relevant to the first post made in this topic. I think it also kind of illustrates the point I was trying to make in my most recent post much more successfully than I managed to do. This report is one of those truly "oh shit" moments. The BBC has now linked Philippine web-cam studios that are "content providers" for overseas sex chat web-sites to the sex trafficking of under-age girls. I want to thank ReAsse for calling this to my attention.
This fits perfectly the "smoking gun" linking the web-cam industry to the sex trafficking of under-age girls that many of the enemies of the on-line porn industry on the Christian Right and among the "authoritarian feminists" have been long searching for. Please note that these girls were rescued during a police raid on a "cyber-sex den."
Anybody "wanna" take bets that one of the websites in question might not be The Asian Homepage on MFC? If so, this is truly a "run-away train" now headed your way.
UL
Here's the link to the BBC story on their home page.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12597245
BBC News Asia-Pacific
2 March 2011 Last updated at 19:52 ET
Girls lured into Philippine cybersex industry
By Kate McGeown BBC News, Olongapo City, the Philippines
Kim and Maricel (not their real names) Kim and Maricel were forced to work as cybersex chat girls in the city of Olongapo
Maricel is a shy, attractive girl, who looks younger than her 15 years. But in her short life, she has already had to deal with experiences that would badly scar many adults.
Two years ago her aunt told her about a job in the city of Olongapo, several hours away from her home.
"She told me I would be working as a domestic helper and a babysitter," said Maricel. "But when I got there, she told me to dress up and go in front of the computer.
"She even showed me how to do it - so I had no choice but to follow her instructions."
Maricel had become what is known here as a "cybersex chat girl".
Her friend Kim was soon lured into the same trap, and worked alongside her.
"We did a show in front of the camera, using a webcam and a phone," said Kim.
"When the customers requested us to show our bodies, we removed our clothes… If they were satisfied with our show, they requested us for another show."
Cybersex, or sexually explicit chat over the internet, is a growing industry in many parts of the world - and one of the countries where business is booming is the Philippines.
An already established sex trade, high levels of poverty and a population that speaks at least basic English means there is a ready supply of girls.
Neither the police nor the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) have accurate statistics, but they estimate that thousands could be working in the back rooms and small apartments that are the usual locations of these so-called cybersex dens.
All internet sex is classed as pornography and therefore illegal in the Philippines, but what most concerns the authorities is the number of girls who are trafficked into these dens - many of whom, like Maricel and Kim, are well under 18, the legal age of consent.
The plight of these girls is a major concern for Lesley Ermata, a police officer specialising in women's issues. She is based in Angeles City which, like Olongapo, has a thriving sex tourism industry.
"It's one of the main problems we face here," she told me, as we got into the car on the way to a small one-storey house about 10 minutes from the police station.
Last year, she raided this building with a group of colleagues, and found six girls in various states of undress. The youngest was just 13.
From the outside, there is nothing to suggest this house is any different from all the others around it. It is on a busy suburban street, with a shop on the corner - many people pass by every day.
The landlady of the building, who also lives next door, denied she had any idea that it was being used as a cybersex den. In fact she said she had never even met any of the six girls who were working there.
Whether neighbours genuinely do not know what is going on, or whether they choose to remain silent, is a matter of debate. But either way, the fact that these cybersex dens are so hidden away makes it very difficult for the police to find them.
Ms Ermata says her team is almost entirely reliant on informants - the rare girls who have escaped and are brave enough to speak out, and also have enough evidence for the police to obtain a search warrant.
"We were able to raid this house because we had an informant who'd just escaped. She had a cellphone - she had videoed the other chat girls when they were online so she had evidence."
'Go to hell'
But even when the police are able to raid a cybersex den, there is no guarantee they will be able to find the owners.
"As of now, we don't have the capability to trace where the operations are being conducted," said Migdonio Congzon, the head of the computer crimes unit at the NBI.
Migdonio Congzon, the head of the computer crimes unit at the NBI Migdonio Congzon says it is difficult to trace where the operations are being conducted from
"They already use proxy servers; their websites are [often] hosted by a system outside the Philippines."
And he added that even if he did manage to track down the cybersex bosses, he faced another uphill battle in trying to convict them.
"The laws are really behind. There have been cases filed before the prosecutors' office, but the case goes to the prosecutors before it goes to court and as far as I know all those cases are still with the prosecutors' office."
In other words, he is yet to hear of a single conviction.
Perhaps the biggest problem Mr Congzon faces is that many members of public simply do not realise this is a serious issue - often involving under-age, trafficked girls.
Cybersex operations here have even likened themselves to call centres, saying they are part of the outsourcing industry - a sector which is booming in the Philippines.
The call centre industry is distancing itself as far as possible from these claims.
For Kim and Maricel, working in this industry was an experience from which they will need time and space to recover.
They have now left the cybersex business. Their den was raided late last year, and they are in the care of a charity in Olongapo called Preda, which is run by an Irish priest.
But the memories of the men who paid them to perform in front of a camera are still fresh in their minds.
"I felt embarrassed every time I saw them in front of a computer - I hated them because I felt that I was a child, so why were they doing this to me," said Maricel.
Kim was more concise. "I hate them - I want them to die and go to hell".
The names of the girls have been changed for their own protection
UL
nocturne
03-03-2011, 09:46 AM
But is it?
I know that there's a position is to (irrationally) control human trafficking by curtailing demand for sex work by shutting down the whole industry, which everyone knows isn't going to work. But I'd wager stories like these would just lead to greater pressure on sites like MFC to make sure they're not facilitating sex slavery.
DaisyRose
03-03-2011, 10:54 AM
Honestly, I'm not surprised if cam models are being trafficked. Unfortunately, there's a big business in sexually exploiting others and I can see how the promise of a better life could be used to tricked these women into slavery. Especially if cam studios are throwing pennies their way and these girls are desperate.
Bambalina
03-03-2011, 11:52 AM
Let me say outfront that I am firm believer that to batter allies because we do not agree with their methods or their academics or their attitude is NOT a solid way to conquer those who wish to truly enslave women by forcing them to be some moralistic model of the "Good Girl". I do not think that UL wishes this for us, nor do I think it is the overwhelming message of CGN, with whom I have me beefs as well, but I would ask for a less hostile and more open discourse. A small bit of tolerance for the opinions of those who are also the enemy of your enemy would go a LONNG way.
In many ways, while I do not agree with the poor presentation of his subject matter, I strongly agree with Cyrano, and believe that a "shitstorm IS coming" and that when people in the other threads ask "Why IS mfc allowed to exist with no disclaimer and open fisting on public cam?" I believe you have your answer in the above, That when the hammer drops it will be brutal and relentless, and your livelihood is not the only thing at stake, but the freedom of women to be the beings they choose to be.
That said, since I feel close to many of those in this discussion, and hoped we could all work toward a consensus of "What the fuck do we DO about it?" as opposed to just arguing our different viewpoints...and generally ending up in a "Who's more intellectual?" contest with shades of Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King...I am going to move to the sidelines and see another golden opportunity pass us by...
Just remember this, those who seek to destroy your freedom, they don't bicker..they get shit done and relentlessly want to fuck you up..
B
nocturne
03-03-2011, 12:54 PM
I'll be curious to see what happens. Over the years, I've watched the pendulum swing, and in New York, it swings every election year, like clockwork. People rage about the sex work of the moment, whether it's prostitution or pro-domination or porn, and soon camming will be added to the list. So I'll be curious to see if this is going to lead to a rise in widespread condemnation of camming.
But that is the ultimate question: what *can* we do about it? There are advocates who know their shit, who know sex work, and who know how to handle the media. But the moralists always manage to scream a little louder.
Cyrano22
03-03-2011, 02:05 PM
Thx Bamb and Nocturne...BTW the "shit storm" is already here for millions of American women
http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/150075/gop_war_on_women%3A_if_you_have_sex%2C_republicans _want_to_pry_in_your_private_parts_/
I promised to take myself out of this equation.. and I will since I seem to have a talent for triggering antagonistic responses. lol.
But here are some sites that some of you doubtless know, but perhaps not all of you -where this unholy alliance of the "carceral feminists" with policy makers who are dying to save sex workers from their choices has caused some deep concern.
First if you don't know it already, The Harlot's Parlour has a great many posts trying to stop the British Parliament from following the Swedish model to prohibiting sex commerce by criminalizing the purchase of sexual service by punters.. Here again the human trafficking issue raises its head. Any unwitting fool who pays for sex with a trafficked woman is facing a mandatory charge of rape..http://harlotsparlour.wordpress.com/page/2/
And then there's Laura Agustin's blog, Sex Migration and Trafficking:
http://www.lauraagustin.com/me-and-catharine-mackinnon-on-prostitution-gender-patriarchy-and-sex-not-two-minds-with-but-a-single-thought
And Melissa Ditmore: Why Feminists Lose ground by Working with Social Conservatives on Trafficking...http://www.ontheissuesmagazine.com/cafe2/article/136
Any of these blogs will lead you to others..
Sorry if I am repeating what is already common knowledge...but one never knows, does one?
Okay Girls, I am outta here and outta ur hair..for good this time..lol.
Have fun.
UL
Felons_Felony
03-03-2011, 02:36 PM
AlterNet is the Fox News of the left-winger's inbox. That is all.
nikkidarling
03-03-2011, 05:57 PM
FYI, thought you all would be interested: The Oxygen Network is airing a documentary called "Sex Workers Or Victims". It's coming on right NOW 7:00 PM CST, 9:00 EST.
Summary: Host Lisa Ling files a report on teen girls trapped in prostitution and the sex trade in America. Ling visits New York City, Dallas and Las Vegas to meet exploited young women and to explore programs devoted to helping them.
Cyrano22
04-08-2011, 07:25 AM
Please Check out SassyLisa's great thread on AmberCutie's forum - "Life of a Web-cam Model in a Romanian Studio" for a great discussion by MFC models and members of the real working conditions in the Colombian, Filipino, Romanian and Russian studios. It adds a fresh perspective and lots of new information.
link: http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1212
UL
Sadie/karina
04-14-2011, 12:42 PM
Anonymous message to police, or look online for the people (I forgot the name) that bust sex trafficking?
Cyrano22
04-15-2011, 03:48 AM
The Russian based Polaris Project is now active in the United States. They are fairly reliable source of information about forced labor and people smuggling into the US, and deal with situations of forced labor of all kinds - like migrant agricultural labor - and not just the sex industry.
Here's the link to their page about trafficked women from Asia and Eastern Europe who were recruited to work in Hostess Bars and Strip Clubs.
http://www.polarisproject.org/human-trafficking/sex-trafficking-in-the-us/hostessstrip-clubs
And another on women trafficked from Mexico and Central America to serve immigrant customers in clandestine brothels: http://www.polarisproject.org/human-trafficking/sex-trafficking-in-the-us/residential-brothels
UL
junigirl
08-24-2011, 09:02 PM
www.dhs.gov/humantrafficking
1 866 347 2423
Ashton and Demi Moore have a foundation that helps do stuff against human trafficking. They just put in a video in many many airports for people to watch and learn about human trafficking.
Is she still living in Phillipines? Sorry didn't read entire thread. Also I think everyone should keep this phone number saved in their phone so if they see something like that they can call.
People will do anything for money..enslave people for money. Many people aren't people but are monsters. Thanks for sharing the story.
Also if anyone is interested, read "Road of Lost Innocence" by Somaly Mam. And journalist Nicholas Kristof has a good book "Half the Sky" with alll kinds of women inequality issues etc...each are a bunch of stories on different women. It's good.
demiandashton.org