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DesuvsDeath
03-07-2011, 12:30 PM
^Yeah. I know plenty of girls who charge $200 for a HJ... but actually do them for $20 a song. It's cute that you have faith that girls who jerk off guys for money wouldn't lower their price that much.
Also... The idea that someone is "too good" to do a single dance... but needs money badly enough that they'll give handjobs really makes no sense. "Oh I really need to make some quick cash tonight... but go fuck yourself with your $100 because that's only 2 dances!"
yoda57us
03-07-2011, 04:16 PM
^Yeah. I know plenty of girls who charge $200 for a HJ... but actually do them for $20 a song. It's cute that you have faith that girls who jerk off guys for money wouldn't lower their price that much.
It's better than cute! It's down-right hysterical. The days of girls holding out for big money or even having a price list for extras are pretty much gone. I can't remember the last time a dancer offered me n "extra" with a premium price attached to it. Not only are these girls willing to do it for the going LD rate but some are even willing to discount that!
Several years ago the dirtiest club in Providence built several completely private booths and basically told the girls that they could do whatever they wanted in them with no fear of reprisal as long as the club got their $30 cut for every fifteen minutes of booth time. When this all started the going rate was between $200 and $250 for the fifteen minutes PLUS the $30 house fee. Within a few weeks some girls started discounting the price and within a month it was more like $100 for the booth along with the $30 for the house. Years later the club is pretty much a brothel now with girls offering extras for as little as $60 plus the booth fee...
I'm not really interested in the argument revolving around who deserves to be "thanked" or in debating what constitutes a "desperate" dancer. Safado is just trying to be his usual smart-ass, inappropriate self but I honestly found the post pretty harmless. As far as who is "desperate" and who just wants to buy some sexy new shoes, I think it's irrelevant. It's none of my business what a dancer does for her money or what she spends it on.
jack0177057
03-07-2011, 04:27 PM
Also... The idea that someone is "too good" to do a single dance... but needs money badly enough that they'll give handjobs really makes no sense. "Oh I really need to make some quick cash tonight... but go fuck yourself with your $100 because that's only 2 dances!"
It does happen. One dancer asked me if I wanted to "play" while giving me my 1st LD, I said, "No thanks, but I'll buy a several dances." This girl was drop-dead gorgeous and very erotic/sensual, easily a 9.5 (I know women hate the use of numbers, but its necessary here to express how attractive she was.) After, the first dance (and my turning down extras) - she politely said "Thank you" and started to leave. I told her I wanted more dances, but she said, "I want to play, not give lap dances."
High-rollers come into this club... Believe me, these girls are not giving $20 HJ. But, like I said - at other clubs,... absolutely.
DesuvsDeath
03-07-2011, 04:34 PM
^Great... But that's not turning down someone for not buying enough dances.
Which is the part of my post you bolded, and therefore the part I assume you're dancing for.
Turning down someone for not wanting to pay extra to get a HJ... when you're confident you can sell a HJ to someone else is completely different than turning someone down because he only wants one or two dances.
Do some girls sell $200 handjobs... sure... but it's a $100 VIP with a handjob at the rate of about... $20 a song tacked on. ::)
As for high rollers... Maybe it's just me... but I'd think that men with a great deal of money don't typically get to be that way because they're dumb enough to pay $200 for a handjob. LOL
Unless the club you go to is full of people who didn't earn their own money and have no common sense?
jack0177057
03-08-2011, 09:36 AM
^ Its a matter of "quality". Sure, you can find cheap HJ... But, not every extras dancer will do a HJ for $20.... I'm extremely picky at the SC. The girls I buy dances are the ones that know what they're worth. One girl was telling me a custie wanted to jerk off while she danced - she agreed, but charged him $300 so he could jerk himself off while watching her dance. She didn't even have to touch his junk!
High rollers are good businessmen and prudent in business matters, but they splurge on "entertainment". I've seen businessmen give $20 tips during stage dances. At one club, there is an "exclusive membership" for $3,000 per year. Why would anyone pay that for "membership", when the club is open to the public? They just have the type of clientele that likes to feel "special" and they seat them in a very comfortable VIP area and give them special attention. Also, its not uncommon for business people to entertain clients and run up thousands of dollars on the corporate credit card.
rickdugan
03-08-2011, 08:22 PM
As for high rollers... Maybe it's just me... but I'd think that men with a great deal of money don't typically get to be that way because they're dumb enough to pay $200 for a handjob. LOL
Unless the club you go to is full of people who didn't earn their own money and have no common sense?
Well, I agree with this for the most part. Now in NYC some guys pay $1000 for what ultimately becomes a HJ, but that is usually at the backend of a CR. I've never heard of a guy paying $200, on top of the LD price, for a HJ in a lapdance area.
jack0177057
03-09-2011, 10:22 AM
^ I didn't say a HJ costs $200 + $20/per song (or at least, I didn't mean to say that)... I meant a flat $200. After one lap dance to warm up, I doubt a HJ will take longer than a few minutes, so you might be getting $40 worth of LDs included with the $200 HJ.
Rookie2010
03-09-2011, 05:01 PM
I didn't know anyone paid more than the normal dance price for extras?? For me it's always been normal dances with extras (tried to be) thrown in because i found out during the dance that extras just seemed to be her S.O.P
Now i've never rececieved any extras, have always turned them down, but all the attempts on their part have been during normal dances with no mention of higher compensation, i would imagine these girls work for possible "tips" ?
DesuvsDeath
03-09-2011, 05:13 PM
^ I didn't say a HJ costs $200 + $20/per song (or at least, I didn't mean to say that)... I meant a flat $200.
Rofl!!! You said that girls charge $200 for the handjob... you never mentioned dances were thrown in for free.
I said girls only make about $20 extra dollars a song. 3 songs + an extra $20 a song for the HJ is $180...
So these high class girls at your "upscale club" who "know what they're worth" that you're talking about apparently charge... the same amount as the girls at some of the dive bars I've worked at. LOL
safado
03-09-2011, 05:17 PM
I didn't know anyone paid more than the normal dance price for extras?? For me it's always been normal dances with extras (tried to be) thrown in because i found out during the dance that extras just seemed to be her S.O.P
Now i've never rececieved any extras, have always turned them down, but all the attempts on their part have been during normal dances with no mention of higher compensation, i would imagine these girls work for possible "tips" ?
Why do you always turn them down, don't you like sexual favors or were the women ugly?
At the two local clubs that I go to, the lap dance areas are in the open and would be extremely difficult to get extras with out being seen by either the bouncers or customers.
yoda57us
03-09-2011, 05:19 PM
After one lap dance to warm up, I doubt a HJ will take longer than a few minutes, so you might be getting $40 worth of LDs included with the $200 HJ.
Hehe...a few minutes? Not if it's me...Maybe that's why I don't go looking for them in clubs. I'd go broke if I had to pay by the song...
Rookie2010
03-09-2011, 05:19 PM
That's like $200 in less than 10 minutes.. What if they could bang out 5 handjobs an hour? LOL Thats a grand right there in an hour, that seems pretty high class in the world of giving handjobs LOL :D
safado
03-09-2011, 05:20 PM
^ Its a matter of "quality". Sure, you can find cheap HJ... But, not every extras dancer will do a HJ for $20.... I'm extremely picky at the SC. The girls I buy dances are the ones that know what they're worth. One girl was telling me a custie wanted to jerk off while she danced - she agreed, but charged him $300 so he could jerk himself off while watching her dance. She didn't even have to touch his junk!
High rollers are good businessmen and prudent in business matters, but they splurge on "entertainment". I've seen businessmen give $20 tips during stage dances. At one club, there is an "exclusive membership" for $3,000 per year. Why would anyone pay that for "membership", when the club is open to the public? They just have the type of clientele that likes to feel "special" and they seat them in a very comfortable VIP area and give them special attention. Also, its not uncommon for business people to entertain clients and run up thousands of dollars on the corporate credit card.
These high rollers that you are talking about, by any chance did they work at companies on Wall Street that took bail outs or went bankrupt?
Rookie2010
03-09-2011, 05:23 PM
Why do you always turn them down, don't you like sexual favors or were the women ugly?
At the two local clubs that I go to, the lap dance areas are in the open and would be extremely difficult to get extras with out being seen by either the bouncers or customers.
Many reasons, one of which Is I only go to one club mainly close to where i Live
LOL. I doubt I would partake in sexual favors around people whom know well my full identity, And It's just not what I am interested in, I can easily get sexual favors at home with a woman who actually cares about my sexual wants/needs and I about hers, I doubt I would go so far as to pay a woman inside a club to emotionlessly jerk me off for $20/song. Not that I'm judging any man here for enjoying some NSA fun. Just not for me, I just want a tease/ a warm up for the main event with a woman who actually enjoys me :)
Maybe when I'm 70? :D
DesuvsDeath
03-09-2011, 05:23 PM
Why do you always turn them down, don't you like sexual favors or were the women ugly?
Here's something I've always wondered... why do you accept!?
It doesn't bother you to be the 10th person jerked/sucked that night?
Or does that sort of thing not gross men out?
safado
03-09-2011, 05:29 PM
Here's something I've always wondered... why do you accept!?
It doesn't bother you to be the 10th person jerked/sucked that night?
Or does that sort of thing not gross men out?
I can't speak for other men. I guess that I am not grossed out, just as long as I don't see her servicing the guy before me.
JoeUnCool
03-10-2011, 06:45 AM
Many reasons, one of which Is I only go to one club mainly close to where i Live
LOL. I doubt I would partake in sexual favors around people whom know well my full identity, And It's just not what I am interested in, I can easily get sexual favors at home with a woman who actually cares about my sexual wants/needs and I about hers, I doubt I would go so far as to pay a woman inside a club to emotionlessly jerk me off for $20/song. Not that I'm judging any man here for enjoying some NSA fun. Just not for me, I just want a tease/ a warm up for the main event with a woman who actually enjoys me :)
Maybe when I'm 70? :D
Watchout, u get criticized for that kinda crazy talk in the basement. ;)
JoeUnCool
03-10-2011, 06:49 AM
Here's something I've always wondered... why do you accept!?
It doesn't bother you to be the 10th person jerked/sucked that night?
Or does that sort of thing not gross men out?
I'm not quite sure why it should matter. If she's a hooker, she's a hooker. The 1st or 15th that night would pretty much expose u to theame thing.
yoda57us
03-10-2011, 09:51 AM
I'm not quite sure why it should matter. If she's a hooker, she's a hooker. The 1st or 15th that night would pretty much expose u to theame thing.
Well, not necessarily and that's a big part of the difference between heavy extras dancers or street walkers and women who escort or are at least low volume OTC types.
I've stopped going to one club because many of the dancers who approach me literally smell like stale semen (OK, everyone at once! Ewwwwww). Sad but true, these girls are giving HJ, BJ and full service to guys all night with no showering or even hand washing half the time. Why would a guy go for this? Beats the hell out of me but some do!
Women who work as providers don't see fifteen guys a night and do shower and clean up between appointments. I've seen indies who only have one customer a day and agency girls who probably saw four or five before I got there. If they are any good at the job you will never know the difference.
What we are talking about here is the primary reason why I have almost no interest in ITC extras anymore.
lopaw
03-10-2011, 09:14 PM
^^^ :yuck:
oh dear god in heaven...."ewwwwwwww" doesn't even begin to cover that!
arielbriel
03-10-2011, 11:14 PM
Why would you want to get a BJ from a woman who has given 10 other BJ's that night ? She most likely didn't even mouthwash - ew.
rickdugan
03-11-2011, 04:45 AM
I think that this is starting to get a little exaggerated. In most clubs where this can even happen, ranking number 10 on the BJ list is highly unlikely. One must generally pay for a VIP or CR in order to obtain these services and, even with a good finish promised, these rooms are not an easy sale in these times.
Now there are exceptions to this dynamic, but these are usually brothels masquerading as skanky dive clubs and are usually filled with broken down women giving BJs and FS for short money. But I am going to exclude these for the sake of this discussion as the guys that go in to these places aren't really looking for a club anyway and the girls spend more time on their knees than on a stage.
Now one could say that being number 2 or 3 in the rotation is just as bad as being number 10. Could be, but I tend to believe that most girls freshen themselves up in between customers on a night when they sell multiple special finishes, though I am sure that this is not universally the case.
yoda57us
03-11-2011, 07:46 AM
I think that this is starting to get a little exaggerated.
How so? Honestly rick you can exclude any kind of club you want but that doesn't mean they are all closing tomorrow. The "brothel" clubs exist all over the country, at least in many urban areas, and they effect every other club's business within driving distance. That dump in Providence that I am always using as an example is, in fact, a perfect example.
Cheaters has always been the dirtiest club in RI and it has also been consistently one of the busiest. Even guys who don't go there looking for extras go there just because it's busy and there are always a lot of dancers working. The fact that you can get a BJ for the asking at Cheaters means that every dancer in every other club in RI is going to get asked for a BJ by some guys some of the time. Now, of course she doesn't have to do it but she is losing a certain segment of her customer base to the girls who do-both at her club and at Cheaters. As a regular customer in RI clubs for over ten years I can tell you first-hand that what goes on at the brothel club has effected what goes on at every other club in the city and even clubs in CT and MA.
BTW, while I agree that a VIP booth is the most common place for extras to occur I have to say I can't think of a single cub I go to where you can't buy that VIP booth in a 15 minute increment for around $120...of course, it's less at Cheaters.
As bad as Cheaters is I have been in clubs in other major cities that were far worse. Admittedly, I don't travel enough to know if this sort of dynamic is an issue in less urban areas.
rickdugan
03-11-2011, 08:25 AM
^I wasn't including Cheaters as one of the brothel clubs, notwithstanding your feelings about the place. Drive a couple of hours further down Rt. 95 to Bridgeport and you'll find clubs that make Cheaters look positively high class. Or drive a half an hour further to Stamford and I can point you to a club that is so sleazy and dirty that it would make you yearn for the relative cleanliness and higher caliber of women at Cheaters.
So with that said, let's continue with Cheaters as the example...
I was a semi-reg at Cheaters at one point and while it is very dirty by MA and even Providence standards, the theory that each girl is giving out BJs to a successive line of 10 guys is absurd. Even if a girl was inclined to give out BJs so cheap that guys might line up for them, the guys must first pay an extra fee to go to the nude room as well as the ticket charge, so they are in for about $50 even before anything is negotiated with the dancer. And I have yet to meet a girl in there giving anything up for less than $100 to her.
In fact, perhaps due to the cost structure or maybe for other reasons, I have never seen a girl in Cheaters doing constant revolving door business in and out of the booth area over the course of a night. Hell, it has always amazed me how often the booth area was empty given the availability of such good services in there. ;)
So yes, the theory that extras girls in most clubs are blowing 10 guys in a night is, while not impossible, far fetched in most cases.
jack0177057
03-11-2011, 08:58 AM
Rofl!!! You said that girls charge $200 for the handjob... you never mentioned dances were thrown in for free.
I said girls only make about $20 extra dollars a song. 3 songs + an extra $20 a song for the HJ is $180...
So these high class girls at your "upscale club" who "know what they're worth" that you're talking about apparently charge... the same amount as the girls at some of the dive bars I've worked at. LOL
I'm not following your math... Are you saying 5 songs? I think a good hustler would only need 1 or 2 songs. On the 1st lap dance, a good naughty dancer can get me very very aroused. Then, on the 2nd "dance", she can pull out my dick, stroke it for like 3 minutes and... voila. Why would a dancer dance for 5 songs? Two dances = $40, the rest is for the HJ.
JoeUnCool
03-11-2011, 09:46 AM
Seriously, this discussion has gotten to the point of ridiculous. i think there are 2 cats trying to convince each other like this.
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yoda57us
03-11-2011, 11:54 AM
^I wasn't including Cheaters as one of the brothel clubs, notwithstanding your feelings about the place. Drive a couple of hours further down Rt. 95 to Bridgeport and you'll find clubs that make Cheaters look positively high class.
Actually before Cheaters became the brothel that it is I used to drive to those clubs in Bridgeport once or twice a month for my extras entertainment. At the time they were, as you say, much worse than any club in Providence.
Honestly Rick I don't think we will ever agree on this topic but that's fine with me. We both have different sets of experiences. I don't doubt yours or the conclusions that you draw from them. I just don't agree.
I'm not an ITC extras guy anymore though I will take what is offered under the right circumstances. Actually being in one of those Bridgeport clubs one afternoon when the door guy thought the club was being raided was a big part of turning me off to the whole ITC extras scene. The red light in the back room started flashing and all of the Hispanic dancers started yelling "Policia Policia" as all of the guys tried to zip up. It turned out to be a false alarm but a few days later LE raided several clubs in the area and arrested dancers. That was quite enough for me. I was still married at the time and decided that a cheap BJ was not worth the possible consequences.
Anyway, I can only speak for New England clubs as that is where I spend most of my time. I don't think you will find a single dancer working in New England who has been at it for a while who won't tell you that the climate is very different in clubs now than it was five or ten years ago.
yoda57us
03-11-2011, 11:58 AM
Seriously, this discussion has gotten to the point of ridiculous. i think there are 2 cats trying to convince each other like this.
And nothing is more ridiculous that contributing without actually saying anything...
Joe, you can stop reading it anytime you like. We are having a discussion here. The topic and the thread wouldn't even make it into the top one hundred most ridiculous threads on SW...
rickdugan
03-11-2011, 07:09 PM
Honestly Rick I don't think we will ever agree on this topic but that's fine with me. We both have different sets of experiences. I don't doubt yours or the conclusions that you draw from them. I just don't agree.
Fair enough, but I'm not sure exactly what we are disagreeing about here. ;)
If it is your contention that the girls in Cheaters are giving 15 BJs in a night or that Cheaters is a brothel comparable to those in Bridgeport, then we most certainly disagree. While things have been wide open in Cheaters for years, the pricing structure simply doesn't support that level of customer turnover and I've simply never seen it there. Since the girls keep whatever they negotiate and they usually have held the line at $100+, a girl doing that kind of volume would bank heavily and I have trouble imagining the Cheaters girls walking out with that kind of money - lol.
Also, at least the place still keeps up the pretense of being an actual club and many of the guys that go in there do not end up in a booth IME. The worst clubs in Bridgeport and Stamford are more bars with benefits than actual strip joints and most of the girls can barely be bothered to dance on a stage anymore. Also, the girls of the sleazier CT clubs are almost all Dominican, and many of them are fat or otherwise broken down, while there are still decent girls to be found in Cheaters. Also, these CT clubs are uber shitty holes in the wall where "private dances" are generally given on folding chairs in some secluded cubby or closet. Finally, BJs and FS are given at almost third world prices in the crappier B'port/Stamford clubs, which is certainly not the case at Cheaters.
Now if our disagreement lies in the area of seeking services ITC, then we disagree less than you think. I also rarely screw around in a club anymore and also share your preferences for a good hotel engagement though there are a few clubs where I will still do that stuff.
DesuvsDeath
03-11-2011, 07:23 PM
I'm not following your math... Are you saying 5 songs? I think a good hustler would only need 1 or 2 songs. On the 1st lap dance, a good naughty dancer can get me very very aroused. Then, on the 2nd "dance", she can pull out my dick, stroke it for like 3 minutes and... voila. Why would a dancer dance for 5 songs? Two dances = $40, the rest is for the HJ.
/SIIIIIIIIIIGH
3 songs + an extra $20 a song for the HJ is $180...
I didn't say 5 songs, I said 3.
3 x 40 = 120
Add on the $20 bonus a song...
3x20 = 60
120 + 60 = 180
Sooo. Your high class girls are making a whopping $20 more than the trashy girls who give handjobs at my club. Wow. Knowing what you're worth is so profitable. ::)
And honestly... $20 a song is probably a lot smarter offer than a flat $200 rate. What happens if they get a guy who can actually last who enjoys a nice long HJ? Then they're just fucked. Meanwhile... the Extra $20 a song girl would be banking.
yoda57us
03-11-2011, 07:46 PM
Fair enough, but I'm not sure exactly what we are disagreeing about here. ;)
The only thing we are really disagreeing on Rick is that you don't seem to think that low-end "brothel" type clubs have an effect on all clubs and all dancers in a given area. I do.
Comparing dirty clubs in southern New England is not really my goal here. I stopped going to the clubs in Bridgeport years ago when Cheaters opened their private "anything goes" booths. I stopped going to Cheaters when they stopped hiring strippers and started hiring street walkers and letting their pimps hang out at the bar!
I was not trying to imply that you are any sort of extras hound rick. I've never gotten that impression at all based on your posts here. We are simply having a philosophical disagreement. No biggie...
DesuvsDeath
03-11-2011, 07:50 PM
The red light in the back room started flashing and all of the Hispanic dancers started yelling "Policia Policia" as all of the guys tried to zip up.
Ahaha. I have to say thanks for this image...
jack0177057
03-11-2011, 08:36 PM
/SIIIIIIIIIIGH
I didn't say 5 songs, I said 3.
3 x 40 = 120
Add on the $20 bonus a song...
3x20 = 60
120 + 60 = 180
Sooo. Your high class girls are making a whopping $20 more than the trashy girls who give handjobs at my club. Wow. Knowing what you're worth is so profitable. ::)
If its 3 songs + HJ, then you're right. I always assumed it was just 1 song to warm up + the HJ. One song (lots of grinding) is all that is necessary to get the guy ready for a HJ. You're also assuming the guy would have bought all those LDs, maybe he would have walked away after just 1 or 2.
If LD and HJ cost the same, then - what is your theory? - Are the extras dancers too dumb to do the math or do they prefer HJs to grinding?
yoda57us
03-11-2011, 08:39 PM
Ahaha. I have to say thanks for this image...
LOL, it was quite a moment...:-[:-\
DesuvsDeath
03-11-2011, 08:48 PM
If LD and HJ cost the same, then - what is your theory? - Are the extras dancers too dumb to do the math or do they prefer HJs to grinding?
When did I ever say they cost the same?
If dances are $40... and HJ's cost an extra $20 on top of the dance price... HJ's are $60 a song.
40 =/= 60
What I SAID was that if you're charging a flat rate... you could run into a situation where you do enough dances that you're not making any extra money. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume there are men who can enjoy a 5 song hand job from someone who doesn't know what they like. I've watched half hour CR's that were all HJ (poor little girl was sweating to death). Not everyone gets off in three minutes.
Rookie2010
03-11-2011, 08:55 PM
Desuvs and Jack.. IRL receiving a handjob isn't as nearly as tough as you are making it out to be, there is less math involved and more handjobbing going on, LOL. Not many guys are going around paying over $150+ just for a handjob, close to where i live there is an OK looking club with some decent girls and FS is readily available for $150, most extras happen over here at normal LD price and, MOST any other "nice/very nice" clubs that extras are happening do not happen on the floor(per dance cost), and happen in VIP for VIP (flat rate) price, I've never heard of 40 per song and then an extra 20 per song if extras are happening.. sounds like too much math and not enough extras going on lol
DesuvsDeath
03-11-2011, 09:03 PM
I've never heard of 40 per song and then an extra 20 per song if extras are happening
Lol. Well I'm pretty sure the whole $20 a song thing got started because my club doesn't offer nude dances... so a lot of the girls charge an extra $20 and do them anyway... and it just translated over into extras.
Rookie2010
03-11-2011, 09:07 PM
$40 sounds insane for one dance, even if it is nude. I would imagine this is an alcohol serving club..? What state are you in?
DesuvsDeath
03-11-2011, 09:09 PM
$40 sounds insane for one dance, even if it is nude. I would imagine this is an alcohol serving club..? What state are you in?
No it's a fully nude non-alcohol club. They just don't "allow" nude dances for whatever reason.
I'm in CA... but I'm surprised you would think that was expensive... I've only ever seen one club where nude dances were less than $40. :O
Rookie2010
03-11-2011, 09:13 PM
No it's a fully nude non-alcohol club. They just don't "allow" nude dances for whatever reason.
I'm in CA... but I'm surprised you would think that was expensive... I've only ever seen one club where nude dances were less than $40. :O
What I'm shocked at is that you say it is a fully-nude club with $20 single dances (bikini dances im guessing?)
Most clubs that charge $20 per dance serve alcohol and the dances are (atleast supposed to be) bikini
and even then dancers seem to have trouble selling unless they are doing 2-4-1's
I've never heard of a straight up "lap dance club" over here in CA where single dances are $20? Unless they are topless dances to begin with? Is there $10 bikini and $20 topless?
DesuvsDeath
03-11-2011, 09:21 PM
I've never heard of a straight up "lap dance club" over here in CA where single dances are $20? Unless they are topless dances to begin with? Is there $10 bikini and $20 topless?
No bikini dances. They do regular dances (which may or may not be topless depending on your dancer - I think the other girls do them topless, i don't) for $20... and everything above that is a VIP upgrade. So a lot of dancers will do $40 or $60 nude single songs because it's easier than selling VIPs.
lopaw
03-11-2011, 10:32 PM
Nude dance prices here in LA can swing dramatically.
Two of my fave clubs here are at opposite ends of the price spectrum for nude dances - at one club they run 3/$40 or 6/$120(VIP), while at the "high end" club they run $51 apiece after 6pm. Yikes!
I'm finding in this recession that the higher priced clubs are squeaking by by offering almost constant 2fer1's. It's basically the only time the dancers can actually sell any dances.
rickdugan
03-12-2011, 11:47 AM
The only thing we are really disagreeing on Rick is that you don't seem to think that low-end "brothel" type clubs have an effect on all clubs and all dancers in a given area. I do...
...I was not trying to imply that you are any sort of extras hound rick. I've never gotten that impression at all based on your posts here. We are simply having a philosophical disagreement. No biggie...
Actually Yoda, there is no post in this thread where I opined one way or another on the impact of dirty clubs on other area clubs. Heck, as far as I can tell this is the first time that this topic has been raised in this thread.
My earlier post pertained to the wildly exaggerated belief that ITC extras girls are giving 10-15 BJs a night, which is simply not realistic in most places. And I carved out a few southern CT "clubs" from the discussion simply because they are short money, high turnover, immigrant serviced pump and go joints that are more the exception rather than the rule, not only in New England but nationwide. These types of low-cost brothel-clubs simply do not exist in many areas.
But addressing your topic: does a dirty club in a given area put pressure on dancers in other clubs in that area? IMO yes. Does the dirty club's servicing advantage draw customers away from cleaner clubs? No doubt.
Where our philisophical outlooks differ is on the topic of whether the changes in the clubs in the last 5-10 are for better or worse. I like the current dynamic much more than the "good old days" while you feel differently in some respects. I think that there are some good arguments to be made on both sides of that coin, so I don't begrudge you your views on this.
JoeUnCool
03-12-2011, 11:38 PM
And nothing is more ridiculous that contributing without actually saying anything...
Joe, you can stop reading it anytime you like. We are having a discussion here. The topic and the thread wouldn't even make it into the top one hundred most ridiculous threads on SW...
Well actually u r misunderstanding my point..........
I see these type of discussions all the time. For some reason, people have this inate desire to want to get the last word in as if that somehow makes them right. Add in the personal belief that somehow we all think we have things 100% figured out and its fun to watch.watching this conversation has been quite entertaining to see the twists. The well actually trollcat defines this thread very well.
rickdugan
03-13-2011, 09:28 AM
Well actually u r misunderstanding my point..........
I see these type of discussions all the time. For some reason, people have this inate desire to want to get the last word in as if that somehow makes them right. Add in the personal belief that somehow we all think we have things 100% figured out and its fun to watch.watching this conversation has been quite entertaining to see the twists. The well actually trollcat defines this thread very well.
We are just guys with strong opinions sharing viewpoints, nothing more or less. I've never seen Yoda claim that he had anything "100% figured out" and I have certainly admitted ignorance often enough around these parts as well.
But thanks for yet another insightful addition to the discussion thread. ;)
Btw, I just saw a guy in another thread who looked like he was getting ready to pop his p4p OTC cherry. :O You'd better hurry up and get to him while there's still time to talk him out of having sex with a hot young stripper. ::)
yoda57us
03-13-2011, 09:29 AM
Well actually u r misunderstanding my point..........
LMAO! Dude, in order for me to misunderstand your point you would actually have to make one! Try using more words and fewer pictures and just say what you want to say next time.
JoeUnCool
03-14-2011, 06:59 AM
Btw, I just saw a guy in another thread who looked like he was getting ready to pop his p4p OTC cherry. :O You'd better hurry up and get to him while there's still time to talk him out of having sex with a hot young stripper. ::)
Good for him. Of course, he didn't come into a forum asking for an opinion either. Even then, my suggestion has always been to protect one's self, nothing more.
Though, I guess if one goes on a vacay with a stripper and her friends and gets stuck with the bill, one gets what one deserves. The facts of having seen things from the other side shouldn't get in the way. ;)
JoeUnCool
03-14-2011, 07:09 AM
LMAO! Dude, in order for me to misunderstand your point you would actually have to make one! Try using more words and fewer pictures and just say what you want to say next time.
I apologize for not spelling it out in pages and pages of banter that don't mean anything to anyone. My Point: Its interesting to watch people go on an on trying to get the last word in. Why are you so defensive when I point out a common human trait?
PS. And yes, I do note the irony of my response.
minnow
03-14-2011, 10:43 AM
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Btw, I just saw a guy in another thread who looked like he was getting ready to pop his p4p OTC cherry. :O You'd better hurry up and get to him while there's still time to talk him out of having sex with a hot young stripper. ::)
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Rick, I don't think Joe is a Tuscl member (RE- Doug S thread on business trip OTC). Not popping his cherry per se, just another version of OTC for him. Maybe I missed something here that got bumped back a page?
Btw, thanks to Rick and Yoda for their insights on CT/RI clubs ( I now have a better idea where, (or not) to go to ::).
yoda57us
03-14-2011, 03:51 PM
I apologize for not spelling it out in pages and pages of banter that don't mean anything to anyone.
Dude, that's what message boards are. We are having conversations here not trying to solve world hunger. It's frivolous by nature.
My Point: Its interesting to watch people go on an on trying to get the last word in. Why are you so defensive when I point out a common human trait?
Again, we are going on and on because we are continuing the conversation. Why do you assume I'm defensive? I am, again, continuing the conversation.
It's not that big of a deal...just harmless entertainment. No major world issues will be solved here. If you want to go check out the lower threads on pink there are more more serious topics...probably why I rarely read there...