View Full Version : Thank you
rickdugan
03-15-2011, 02:41 PM
Though, I guess if one goes on a vacay with a stripper and her friends and gets stuck with the bill, one gets what one deserves. The facts of having seen things from the other side shouldn't get in the way. ;)
Did somebody post that he went on vaca with a stripper and her friends while I was not looking? ::) If you are talking about the offer I received, I posted it in here simply for entertainment fodder.
Good for him. Of course, he didn't come into a forum asking for an opinion either. Even then, my suggestion has always been to protect one's self, nothing more.
You seem to have no problem sharing your nightmare OTC scenarios whether an opinion is asked for or not. There is protecting oneself and then there is freezing fear that results in nothing ever done. IMHO you preach the latter.
rickdugan
03-15-2011, 02:45 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Rick, I don't think Joe is a Tuscl member (RE- Doug S thread on business trip OTC). Not popping his cherry per se, just another version of OTC for him. Maybe I missed something here that got bumped back a page?
Btw, thanks to Rick and Yoda for their insights on CT/RI clubs ( I now have a better idea where, (or not) to go to ::).
Lol minnow. Doug's particular question would have been a great discussion starter here as well and he would have likely found some helpful responses here. But, of course, a lot of stuff that gets posted on the tuscl board would not fly well here, even in blue, so I say that with some hesitancy.
yoda57us
03-15-2011, 07:34 PM
You seem to have no problem sharing your nightmare OTC scenarios whether an opinion is asked for or not. There is protecting oneself and then there is freezing fear that results in nothing ever done. IMHO you preach the latter.
Exactly...
I'm all in favor of protecting oneself in the club. However, the concept of cowering in fear of what might happen holds no appeal for me. I made my mistakes-plenty of them-many years ago. I learned from them and moved on.
Kellydancer
03-15-2011, 11:23 PM
Honestly, men that are stupid enough to get extras in clubs deserve what they get. If dancers are charging that little for a handjob or blowjob, and getting many customers I'd suspect she's probably doing it to a lot of customers as well. Good way to get disease.
Having said that, I know many of the dancers I worked with were doing extras. I never saw it personally but knew through the grapevine they were. Some were even escorting through a few clubs but I didn't find this out until I long after the club. Like mentioned earlier seems most of the women doing extras were mothers, usually with baby daddy drama. This was more common in the dives though have heard stories at all kinds of clubs, ones I worked at or not.
here's something rarely talked about, but true and that is how years ago many strip clubs were brothels. When I got into dancing the clubs I worked at were no touch (or if they were touch I worked briefly at and no money because I never allowed touching). However, only a few years earlier many clubs were brothels and owned by the mafia. Because I got in when clubs were "gentlemens clubs" but only recently by then (this was 1993)I worked with a few dancers who did work at the brothels and admitted this. I don't know if they were doing extras but if they had done them earlier it's possible they were as they likely thought of them as part of the game. Since this was never part of my history I never equated extras with dancing. Then again had extras been part of the plan I'd never become a dancer because I am very conservative when it comes to sex, almost prudish.
I am not much of a club extras guy (I am nervous about the cameras). My buddy Dan has found a recent treat however. I think she likes his wood. 4-5 dances paid upfront she will ride him if you get my drift.
You guys know how long I been around here and the vets know all my drama with the various alphabetical dancers. Miss D could have given it up years ago when money was plentiful. Instead it is now when play money is more difficult for me. Her POP is 750 which would have been chump change 3-4 years ago. Nowadays, I've only been able to discover her mysteries twice due to the price tag. Sucks for me.
FBR
rickdugan
03-20-2011, 12:03 PM
I am not much of a club extras guy (I am nervous about the cameras). My buddy Dan has found a recent treat however. I think she likes his wood. 4-5 dances paid upfront she will ride him if you get my drift.
You guys know how long I been around here and the vets know all my drama with the various alphabetical dancers. Miss D could have given it up years ago when money was plentiful. Instead it is now when play money is more difficult for me. Her POP is 750 which would have been chump change 3-4 years ago. Nowadays, I've only been able to discover her mysteries twice due to the price tag. Sucks for me.
FBR
Wow, you weren't kidding when you said that her price was well above the normal POP index for your area. You must really like this girl.
I have not yet met a girl that has motivated me enough to spend that much for a single event, but I have no doubt that my days are numbered. :) Until then I suppose that I will continue to consider myself a relative value investor.
I have found my sweet spot at around $3-500, depending upon the activity and # of girls involved, so I will admit that $750 is hard to get my mind around purely as a matter of principle. And even at those numbers I am overpaying in some places and there are guys getting action with girls from the same clubs for a lot less.
Anyway, I have no doubt that you know what you are doing and did what was necessary to close the deal, though it is too bad that the price tag for this particular girl sits at such a lofty number.
Anyway, good luck.
yoda57us
03-20-2011, 02:09 PM
Her POP is 750 which would have been chump change 3-4 years ago. Nowadays, I've only been able to discover her mysteries twice due to the price tag. Sucks for me.
I guess it depends a bit on how long you get to spend with her for that amount but the fact is it's worth whatever you think it's worth! I pay my favorite distraction (miss naughty girl of my recent trip report) $550 for what is, in theory, a two hour "date". We end up spending the entire evening together including conversation, sex, conversation sometimes shopping (no, I don't pay) and dinner but the horizontal and naked part is right around two hours. Over the years I have cultivated relationships with a few ladies who would do a similar deal but I also have a few regs who are in the $250 to $300 range for an hour. Naughty girl is in the budget for a couple of visits a month unless things are really slow or really busy for me. She is only available on certain nights of the week and I prefer seeing her on my days off so scheduling can be a challenge sometimes.
I really enjoy the "whole package" aspect of my regs but it's always good to have a gal or two at a lower price point for when the itch just needs scratchin'! P4P has got to be pay-as-you-go. Using credit cards or taking money out of savings is never a good idea and, for me at least, the one or two times I did that in the past were the only times I ever felt any guilt about it. Miss Naughty Girl even offered the "pay me when you have it" option when business was really bad but It's a road I never want to go down...
truthbsaid
03-20-2011, 06:29 PM
Damn. This string is such a downer!. Forget about the extras girls. The "clean" strippers then, how do they fit in. You are saying to me that if the vast majority of these women had better options for earning income, they would choose to be strip club dancers? So, whenever we step into a strip club, then we are participating in the bondage and degradation of women, by forcing her to expose her body and private parts for the amusement of a public audience. That's a lot of angst and gulit to put on the average strip club patron. I could extrapolate this too many, say, McDonald's workers. You think that many of those workers really aspired to flipping burger's and salting fries? Aren't we contributing to their degradation and denigration? (They have to wear those stupid hats, right?) How far do we take responsibility for each other's circumstances and choices? I went to a club the other night had a lapdance from a dancer we had a beer together. Laughed. And, we she got up she hugged my neck and said, "I really enjoyed talking with you." Now I picture balling her eyes out on the ride home, because she feels so "dirty".
OH, THE HUMANITIES!!
JoeUnCool
03-20-2011, 10:06 PM
I am not much of a club extras guy (I am nervous about the cameras). My buddy Dan has found a recent treat however. I think she likes his wood. 4-5 dances paid upfront she will ride him if you get my drift.
You guys know how long I been around here and the vets know all my drama with the various alphabetical dancers. Miss D could have given it up years ago when money was plentiful. Instead it is now when play money is more difficult for me. Her POP is 750 which would have been chump change 3-4 years ago. Nowadays, I've only been able to discover her mysteries twice due to the price tag. Sucks for me.
FBR
I love to rib FBR, but this isn't one of those times. It would seem to me that $750 in the southwest OH area would be too much for the marketplace. At the same time, if you feel comfortable with the girl and you enjoy it, its money well spent. I guess its not too much different from my on again off again current fave in Atlanta. Last time I was in town, I gave her $500 just for sitting with me all night at the club. I must admit, I never have fully figured out why she keeps telling me she wants to see me OTC. When I ask her how much, she gets a little frustrated, keeps saying she's not a hooker, and says she doesn't want anything. I assume its my boyish good lucks, 400 hot-n-sexy pounds I wear, and she keeps wanting me to come around to the club. Its a good game.
KS_Stevia
03-21-2011, 07:11 PM
$750 isn't that much to an opportunist like Miss D. She gets it because that's what her market will bear, and her market is FBR. She obviously makes her standard living doing other things and FBR is her comfort place where she is willing to go down a certain road. I've done OTC for significantly more than $750. One was well in the 4 figures and would have continued for longer than our year, but I simply retired then.
Usually though, for a girl whose primary job is as an escort, its more worth her long-term longevity to have regular custies like yoda or Rick...rather than having to constantly seek out new good customers and expose themselves to the risks that go with that. Hence, full-time escort makes a consistent $550 2 x a month from yoda...that's over $13K a year and the custy is yoda, who is awesome and a lot of fun.
If she came off the bat with $1,000 or $2,000 per pop, she would get significantly less business and have to keep chasing the thinly dispersed high rollers.
What is my point? I don't know. Oh wait, I do.....a middle of the road escort will do better having a few trusted regulars at $300-600 a pop. If she's an opportunistic predator like my former self, and doesn't care about repeat escort business...then she can charge whatever she thinks the market will bear.
Miss D is opportunistic...not so much that she wanted to do it back then...but that's where the times have led her now. Still double the average rate of most hookers.
yoda57us
03-21-2011, 07:38 PM
What is my point? I don't know. Oh wait, I do.....a middle of the road escort will do better having a few trusted regulars at $300-600 a pop. If she's an opportunistic predator like my former self, and doesn't care about repeat escort business...then she can charge whatever she thinks the market will bear.
LOL, this sums it up pretty well. It's also the primary reason I never went too crazy pursuing dancers for OTC sex. In general, the offers I got were always way, way above the local average that well-reviewed escorts were getting and, even if I wanted to, I wasn't going to pay the price just on principle. Now, mind you, I wasn't always nuts about the prospect of seeing a pro who was seeing who-knows-how many guys every day but eventually I found my happy medium. There are plenty of UTR sort of "semi-retired" girls who don't advertise anymore and don't do scheduled in- calls where they see a bunch of guys every day. Escorting is not their sole means of income anymore. Most of my regs now see only a few guys a month and never two guys in the same day. On top of that their rates never change because they want to keep the trusted regs they have and not have to look for new customers. One of my favs puts it best. Don't get lazy and don't get greedy. Either of those things will get you in trouble either with the law or with bad customers...
KS_Stevia
03-21-2011, 07:50 PM
See, this kind of makes me wish I wasn't so flaky and all over the place with my adult work. While I make excellent money doing what I do now, it could have been nice to have some regulars around when I was laid off, having a bad sales month, or just simply wanted to go out and be in fantasyland for an evening.
Because when you have someone you like and trust...its like going for a golf outing with your favorite clients. Sure, its still business, but its one of the reasons we do out jobs and don't blow our brains out...the good people and the good days that lead to a healthy comfortable profit.
yoda57us
03-21-2011, 08:20 PM
Because when you have someone you like and trust...its like going for a golf outing with your favorite clients. Sure, its still business, but its one of the reasons we do out jobs and don't blow our brains out...the good people and the good days that lead to a healthy comfortable profit.
It's interesting that you should put it that way. Both of my long-term UTR ladies have said very similar things about seeing me and the few other men that they still see. It's business but it never feels like work. There is no clock watching and there is, to varying degrees, a genuine like and even friendship in some cases.
It's not all a bowl of cherries though. Personal relationships are just about impossible to maintain when you work as an escort-even part time. In an odd way it's part of the reason that nicer long-term customers are appreciated. Many of these women never civvie date. That is a part of their life that is put on hold until they are completely out of escorting. Now, most of these ladies are in their mid to late 30's and divorced so it's not like they are boy-crazy but an evening that goes beyond just 60 minutes in the sack-some good conversation, a relaxing meal or other social activity, is appreciated by the ladies as much as their un-rushed attention is appreciated by me.
See, this kind of makes me wish I wasn't so flaky and all over the place with my adult work. While I make excellent money doing what I do now, it could have been nice to have some regulars around when I was laid off, having a bad sales month, or just simply wanted to go out and be in fantasyland for an evening.
Because when you have someone you like and trust...its like going for a golf outing with your favorite clients. Sure, its still business, but its one of the reasons we do out jobs and don't blow our brains out...the good people and the good days that lead to a healthy comfortable profit.Kat I expected some gentle criticism when I posted and got it but eh as you more or less said sometimes there is a comfort level in your case sounds financial but in my case is both financial and emotional. 750 to miss D is more enjoyable to me than the 250-300 POP with one exception. I agree about her opportunism but so what.
FBR
KS_Stevia
03-22-2011, 07:08 PM
FBR I am confused. and I havent critisised you. We're not communicating here.
Perry
05-31-2011, 09:21 AM
You can't buy something that isn't for sale. I'm willing to bet half the basement would buy one dance from me and then move on. But you know what? I would keep dancing and bouncing around doing what I do and eventually, find someone who was into me. Or, a night of one-hit-wonder dances isn't all that bad, either. Positive attitude, yo.
Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I'd just find the foot guy. My feet are really cute. And I'm not ticklish, so I'm sure we'd get along great.