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LaylaLovely
09-04-2015, 11:03 AM
Is anybody here 5.99/min for pvt???
anonymous camgirl
09-04-2015, 11:05 AM
Is there anyone else who is on the Tier Program? Getting paid like this? or am I the only idiot around here lmao!
Well the update is: I think I was talking to uneducated people in customer service because they in fact told me I didn't reach the 40% cuz I didn't get to $500? Which is complete bullshit because it showed the whole payperiod they were calculating 100% of your earnings to get you to the next tier!.. I didn't respond back to them.. I was just like omg ugggh.. well then why are they calculating 100% and not just your cut to get you to the next tier then? Not a very good explanation!
they are the most trickiest bullshit tricksters I have ever seen.. Can't they stop cheating their models and making their own rules up as they go along?
anonymous camgirl
09-04-2015, 11:06 AM
4.99 per min pvt for me!
Is anybody here 5.99/min for pvt???
Susperia
09-04-2015, 11:24 AM
My privates are 3.99, thinking about raising it though, doesn't seem like enough for all my hard work.
LaylaLovely
09-04-2015, 11:43 AM
I just raised it to 5.99 nothing yet.. I was at 3.99 , but I want to be 5.99 on all my sites except sm exclusives and Indy shows. How is it Imlive accepted 5.80/min but not cams lol
anonymous camgirl
09-04-2015, 12:03 PM
Cams is a tough one those guys are super needy high maintenance and they want to pay bargain rates.... I think they are used to mostly European models.. there are not very many American models on there.. and they usually get away with charging less cuz they can or something?
I just raised it to 5.99 nothing yet.. I was at 3.99 , but I want to be 5.99 on all my sites except sm exclusives and Indy shows. How is it Imlive accepted 5.80/min but not cams lol
anonymous camgirl
09-04-2015, 01:50 PM
Here we go again with these effin chargebacks on this new tier system.. just did an 8 min show this afternoon .. ALL chargedback.. WTF?
if this payperiod ends back up like the last one I am switching back to the old system!..
LaylaLovely
09-04-2015, 01:56 PM
Omfg!!!!!!! I've only been on this new tiered shit and I've gotten huge chargebacks !!! For long shows fuck this I'm out
anonymous camgirl
09-04-2015, 02:56 PM
Right? this is my 2nd payperiod with it.. wanna see how it goes.. cuz last pay period sucked anyways .. it was not normal despite the chargebacks
Omfg!!!!!!! I've only been on this new tiered shit and I've gotten huge chargebacks !!! For long shows fuck this I'm out
SoloDesire
09-04-2015, 03:04 PM
Wow! I can't believe you all are getting so many chargebacks! Good to know though. I changed mine to tier but haven't cammed there long enough to make any money (I really despise that site). I'll be changing mine back the next time I'm on though. That's so shitty!
LaylaLovely
09-04-2015, 03:45 PM
I've been there for maybe 10 months...NEVER got a chargeback! Then I opted in to the program logged in and right way a guy come into nude chat compliments me and tips me...then chargeback like 20 min later....a guy takes me for 30 fucking minutes.. Tells me I'm amazing and all that shenanigans that he def stroking then cums...this morning he has 95$ chargeback which like 30$ and so like in less than 24 hours of this tier I got 40$ take. From 2 dif guys
1pandoradesire
09-04-2015, 05:29 PM
Here we go again with these effin chargebacks on this new tier system.. just did an 8 min show this afternoon .. ALL chargedback.. WTF?
if this payperiod ends back up like the last one I am switching back to the old system!..
I am on the new tier, I had a charge back last pay period, passed me off it was a long private. Do they cover charge backs on the old pay system?
EffyRose
09-04-2015, 06:13 PM
They do not cover charge backs on the old system either, but it seems like girls are getting a lot more on the new tier system. I'm on the old one. I get a charge back, every few months or so, but never for more then $5.
Kitcatt
09-04-2015, 11:29 PM
I'm sorry, but I think they're scamming cam models out of money. When I worked this site I would get random chargebacks months later, small amounts so no one would complain, if you know what I mean. I even saw half a show refunded, how the fuck is HALF a show a chargeback?
anonymous camgirl
09-05-2015, 09:35 AM
So I just emailed Cams, I hope they don't terminate me for questioning them..LOL ( that's what IMLIVE did to me)
I was supposed to be paid $422.09 last period. That's what it says on my earnings page. But instead I received a direct deposit amount of $406.01
So that was the first thing I asked about. And I asked if someone QUALIFIED would answer me. I sent to payment questions
Secondly I asked them about the discrepancies and explanation of The Tier Program.
It is my understanding that you reach the next TIER based on 100% of your earnings and not your cut.
I also questioned why the huge chargebacks. And how I just did a show yesterday afternoon for 8 minutes and it was chargedback by that nite. How is that possible. There are ALOT more huge chargebacks on this new system.
So then according to 100% earnings I reached the next tier of 40% and I asked why have I been paid different earnings ranging from 29% to 36% and some fan club earnings 64% This doesn't make sense? Not one show was worth 40%
And then I said that this doesn't sound FAIR to the models
And why can't they be more fair and not make the model absorb these chargebacks like
STREAMATE does. I said streamate is way more than fair to their models. We are paid a FLAT percentage and Lifetime Referrals from members no matter what model they choose. And if they Screw up they offer models bonuses.
Then I said that there is ALOT of talk amongst the models about what is REALLY going on...LOL
I hesitated on even questioning them because I would hate to lose this source of earnings. Been there since 2008
Ok so let's break it down I am going to be totally transparent about my last payperiod here.
I made $1349.64 100% Earnings for the site
Now according to this I would have been paid 30% on the first $500 I made for them
And then 40% on the remainder $849.64
Which is a total of $489.85
So basically they cheated me out of over $80
So now what I really got paid was 30% of the earnings. NO EXTRA so all of this bullshit? when I am getting paid just as much as the old pay system?
I print screened EVERYTHING in case they lock me out.. Including their explanation of the TIER SYSTEM and I suggest you do the same.
I am sure they are receiving TONS of emails from angry models.
If they were our employer this would be called WAGE THEFT.
I do not know what recourse we have against them.
SoloDesire
09-05-2015, 10:26 AM
My question is: How do we go back to the old paying system? After hearing about all of these chargebacks I don't want to continue with this tier system but can't find a way to go back the old system.
anonymous camgirl
09-05-2015, 10:31 AM
Yea I dunno.. I looked for that too. I guess you have to email them.. lmao
My question is: How do we go back to the old paying system? After hearing about all of these chargebacks I don't want to continue with this tier system but can't find a way to go back the old system.
SoloDesire
09-05-2015, 10:37 AM
Yea I dunno.. I looked for that too. I guess you have to email them.. lmao
Assholes. OR I could just not work on their shitty site anymore...yeah, I think that's what I'll do.
KatyBoleyn
09-05-2015, 12:06 PM
We spoke with their customer support concerning our own models on a number of recent issues. However, a we can say a public tidbit on the cb situation:
Old Policy - clarified in a phone call several months ago [paraphrasing from the support call]:
"Sometimes customers are "dissatisfied" with shows, and its easier to issue them a full or partial refund in some cases rather than let them go through with a chargeback. These refunds can be passed along to models."
Note that cc fraud or billing failures weren't mentioned.
New Policy - clarified just today on the phone:
"We never pass refunds or chargebacks to the models except in cases where the card was declined for fraudulent reasons." The example he gave was an underage kid using daddy's card.
Note that dissatisfied customers aren't mentioned.
...the more you know.
anonymous camgirl
09-05-2015, 12:17 PM
What about the percentages Katy? Do you know how that is working out? Did you read my post? Thanks!
We spoke with their customer support concerning our own models on a number of recent issues. However, a we can say a public tidbit on the cb situation:
Old Policy - clarified in a phone call several months ago [paraphrasing from the support call]:
"Sometimes customers are "dissatisfied" with shows, and its easier to issue them a full or partial refund in some cases rather than let them go through with a chargeback. These refunds can be passed along to models."
Note that cc fraud or billing failures weren't mentioned.
New Policy - clarified just today on the phone:
"We never pass refunds or chargebacks to the models except in cases where the card was declined for fraudulent reasons." The example he gave was an underage kid using daddy's card.
Note that dissatisfied customers aren't mentioned.
...the more you know.
KatyBoleyn
09-05-2015, 12:34 PM
What about the percentages Katy? Do you know how that is working out? Did you read my post? Thanks!
That's an issue we addressed when we went through their books on our models. We got a nice bug report support ticket on that...they know the issue and they have a chance to correct it.
1pandoradesire
09-05-2015, 04:27 PM
So I just emailed Cams, I hope they don't terminate me for questioning them..LOL ( that's what IMLIVE did to me)
I was supposed to be paid $422.09 last period. That's what it says on my earnings page. But instead I received a direct deposit amount of $406.01
So that was the first thing I asked about. And I asked if someone QUALIFIED would answer me. I sent to payment questions
Secondly I asked them about the discrepancies and explanation of The Tier Program.
It is my understanding that you reach the next TIER based on 100% of your earnings and not your cut.
I also questioned why the huge chargebacks. And how I just did a show yesterday afternoon for 8 minutes and it was chargedback by that nite. How is that possible. There are ALOT more huge chargebacks on this new system.
So then according to 100% earnings I reached the next tier of 40% and I asked why have I been paid different earnings ranging from 29% to 36% and some fan club earnings 64% This doesn't make sense? Not one show was worth 40%
And then I said that this doesn't sound FAIR to the models
And why can't they be more fair and not make the model absorb these chargebacks like
STREAMATE does. I said streamate is way more than fair to their models. We are paid a FLAT percentage and Lifetime Referrals from members no matter what model they choose. And if they Screw up they offer models bonuses.
Then I said that there is ALOT of talk amongst the models about what is REALLY going on...LOL
I hesitated on even questioning them because I would hate to lose this source of earnings. Been there since 2008
Ok so let's break it down I am going to be totally transparent about my last payperiod here.
I made $1349.64 100% Earnings for the site
Now according to this I would have been paid 30% on the first $500 I made for them
And then 40% on the remainder $849.64
Which is a total of $489.85
So basically they cheated me out of over $80
So now what I really got paid was 30% of the earnings. NO EXTRA so all of this bullshit? when I am getting paid just as much as the old pay system?
I print screened EVERYTHING in case they lock me out.. Including their explanation of the TIER SYSTEM and I suggest you do the same.
I am sure they are receiving TONS of emails from angry models.
If they were our employer this would be called WAGE THEFT.
I do not know what recourse we have against them.
After reading this I looked at my rather large charge back, it's the difference between the 30 and 40 percent. Beyond pissed off!!!! Nice of them to put a surcharge on their bogus charge back.
seicento
09-07-2015, 07:44 AM
So can we only block one country on cams.com?Blocked my home country but I want to block the country I pretend to be from too.And I didnt find a way to block more than one .
anonymous camgirl
09-07-2015, 11:19 AM
FYI I am charging $6.99 per minute.. to quail these ridiculous chargebacks.. maybe it will work or maybe they will find more.. I am actually getting shows...LOL
1pandoradesire
09-07-2015, 02:17 PM
FYI I am charging $6.99 per minute.. to quail these ridiculous chargebacks.. maybe it will work or maybe they will find more.. I am actually getting shows...LOL
Now I know I need to raise my rates I am way cheaper on here than SM. I am going to call Tues about the charge back,you would think I would remember a 80 min pvt. But I don't know the member name and when I click on it, it tells me I've never done a lvt. With this member. It's frustrating to say the least.
anonymous camgirl
09-07-2015, 04:43 PM
Y not well I figured I might as well raise my rates to deter them from getting so many shows and get more shows on SM where there are no chargebacks or dicking around with your paycheck..lol
Now I know I need to raise my rates I am way cheaper on here than SM. I am going to call Tues about the charge back,you would think I would remember a 80 min pvt. But I don't know the member name and when I click on it, it tells me I've never done a lvt. With this member. It's frustrating to say the least.
bluetee
09-08-2015, 09:05 PM
I've been with cams.com for many years- they shorted my last check as well, and then I got a random chargeback, both were explained to me as being "glitches", I just see it as money being taken out of my pocket. Switched to another site and I haven't looked back.
LaylaLovely
09-08-2015, 10:29 PM
Yea since last Friday's chargeback I haven't been back.... Might I mention I after the chargeback I also ended up paying to have a show with him!!! Yea by 0.50 cents !!!!!! After all the fees ....fuck that I raised all my prices to the min 5.99/ min on all sites ...even Imlive..and somehow those guys are willing to pay but not cams guyss
Fitandpretty
09-09-2015, 04:42 AM
I stopped camming on there due to the super cheap guys that were unwilling to pay a 4.99 rate. They are so needy and want you to cater to them way too much. My SM guys have no problem paying my 5.99/6.99 so I don't miss cams at all. Plus the chargeback thing is ridiculous >:( 29% is already bad enough and to have them skim from your check due to "glitches" is just bullshit.
anonymous camgirl
09-09-2015, 05:33 AM
Well after raising my rate to $6.99 per min on here I made more money yesterday than I did on SM which is at $7.99 who would of thunk.. give it a try and be patient. The last few days they have been paying it.. I have a few guys who are bold enough to comment on my high rate but I pay them no mind.. those guys never dropped a dime.
1pandoradesire
09-09-2015, 03:03 PM
I don't want to leave cams because the traffic is so much better than SM. I called yesterday and a complaint was filed, I explained that I need to know how much my earnings will be and not suprise with charge back. I also informed how much business I bring them , and that on livejasmin which has the same pay structure after 3 payperiod with no disiplinary action you are protected from charge backs. I was told Alot of models are giving the same feedback. I'm going to try raising my rates and see how it goes. Wish me luck.
anonymous camgirl
09-09-2015, 04:47 PM
Good luck!.. I didn't fare so well today!.. Surprisingly the winner today was Flirt4Free , followed by Ifriends!.. close tie with SM.. Cams was ridic!
I don't want to leave cams because the traffic is so much better than SM. I called yesterday and a complaint was filed, I explained that I need to know how much my earnings will be and not suprise with charge back. I also informed how much business I bring them , and that on livejasmin which has the same pay structure after 3 payperiod with no disiplinary action you are protected from charge backs. I was told Alot of models are giving the same feedback. I'm going to try raising my rates and see how it goes. Wish me luck.
Susperia
09-12-2015, 10:11 AM
Shit, I was having a really good Saturday on Cams and now the site went down...WTF. I hope I can get back on.....
Susperia
09-12-2015, 01:01 PM
Got back on 2 hours later and no one would take me private and had shitty traffic, then I noticed my placement was down....kinda pissed now :(
Susperia
09-14-2015, 05:52 PM
Ok, I'm really not happy....for some reason my placement really dropped...I went from 23-40 on first page to hovering between 70-90 I guess on the second page and now my traffic sucks and its really hard to get shows now. Did my new girl status suddenly end....I joined 2 months ago. I was also away for almost 3 weeks because of that stupid situation with the rash and my sprained ankle...couldn't help that.....what effects your placement there? Is it earnings per hour or how many hours you put in? I also had 10 fan club members when I started out and now I'm down to 2( I guess they just buy a month's subscription). I was on for 2 hours today and made $23 I just wanna cry :(
ViolentVixen
09-14-2015, 11:27 PM
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Cons:
-The highest your going to make on a private show is 29%+the highest you can charge is $9.99
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Susperia
09-16-2015, 12:05 PM
Ok apparently placement is based on hours....cuz now that I've been on a bit more and got 2 new fanclub members yesterday I'm back on page one....whew.
caring
09-22-2015, 08:59 AM
I've been dealing with almost all the issues i've been reading here lately and i guess that's the main reason why i joined the forum. I've been calling the support weekly lately,after mailing them too many times and getting replies that seemed to be automatic . I suggest you should call them for all the issues you're having , they are very friendly on the phone ( won't solve your problem probably but it's still something than nothing ) . I've seen models posting on cams about chargebacks so if they get more phonecalls maybe they would do something about the politics of it ? I've noticed it got worse and worse lately with the traffic and the new tipping chat has the minimum payment too low for the members expectations. soon enough everyone will ask us to go tipping chat instead of going private.
Stay strong ladies and have a great week !:-*
1pandoradesire
09-22-2015, 09:08 AM
I've been dealing with almost all the issues i've been reading here lately and i guess that's the main reason why i joined the forum. I've been calling the support weekly lately,after mailing them too many times and getting replies that seemed to be automatic . I suggest you should call them for all the issues you're having , they are very friendly on the phone ( won't solve your problem probably but it's still something than nothing ) . I've seen models posting on cams about chargebacks so if they get more phonecalls maybe they would do something about the politics of it ? I've noticed it got worse and worse lately with the traffic and the new tipping chat has the minimum payment too low for the members expectations. soon enough everyone will ask us to go tipping chat instead of going private.
Stay strong ladies and have a great week !:-*
I am one of the models that called to complain about the chargebacks, I too am hoping they will change that. I havent been on much since because it gave me a bad attitude. In reguards to the tipping I bet it will take over like the gold shows on SM, which sucks!!! Looks like I will have to get back on and give it a go. Wish you a great week as well!
LaylaLovely
09-22-2015, 10:20 AM
I went back yesterday...after leaving from a hefty chargeback... I need all the money rit now I can get.. I got like I really good private like 77$ so I hope he doesn't chargeback..we spent the whole time just talking :D I'm at 5.99 but he joined my fan club for 2.99/min but I don't mind since we just chatted...which reminds me..why is my fan club 2.99????? Lol I need to raise that to a min 3.99
caring
09-22-2015, 10:44 AM
I've noticed there are good days and bad days, but lately all got really slow. do you ladies think the NFL affects it too ? I don't know much about it since I am not from US. my fanclub price is also 2,99 and i've been thinking about increasing it. what keeps me from doing it is the fear of regular fans complaining about it and losing them as customers.
SoloDesire
09-22-2015, 10:49 AM
Well, I emailed support to change me back to the old payment system and take me off of tier because I was afraid of getting chargebacks. They emailed me back rather quickly saying that they took me off tier and it will go into effect for the next payment cycle. I haven't even cammed there for fear of getting chargebacks so hopefully this helps. Gotta keep Cams around just in case I decide to leave SM at some point lol.
LaylaLovely
09-22-2015, 10:55 AM
It's not the new tier program it's there new chargeback policy that was changed right around the same time as the tier program. It says we the models have to cover any chargeback so from fraud
SoloDesire
09-22-2015, 11:07 AM
It's not the new tier program it's there new chargeback policy that was changed right around the same time as the tier program. It says we the models have to cover any chargeback so from fraud
Ahh, well that's good to know! Guess I won't even bother with the site anymore at all then. I will NOT work for free.
Bella28
09-22-2015, 11:18 AM
Well after raising my rate to $6.99 per min on here I made more money yesterday than I did on SM which is at $7.99 who would of thunk.. give it a try and be patient. The last few days they have been paying it.. I have a few guys who are bold enough to comment on my high rate but I pay them no mind.. those guys never dropped a dime.
Do you do free chat? I notice when I do not do free chat I am literally DEAD! Just curious
anonymous camgirl
09-22-2015, 01:07 PM
Yes that's all I do is free chat .. I went back to my $4.99 rate...lol.. it was to much of a struggle and to many complaints! uggh..
Do you do free chat? I notice when I do not do free chat I am literally DEAD! Just curious
anonymous camgirl
09-22-2015, 01:08 PM
My last paycheck was normal.. exacly the way you should be paid.. But they haven't fixed the payment period that went awry before that. They did email me with a bug support ticket but haven't followed up on that .. so basically they still owe me money!
Well, I emailed support to change me back to the old payment system and take me off of tier because I was afraid of getting chargebacks. They emailed me back rather quickly saying that they took me off tier and it will go into effect for the next payment cycle. I haven't even cammed there for fear of getting chargebacks so hopefully this helps. Gotta keep Cams around just in case I decide to leave SM at some point lol.
caring
09-22-2015, 02:31 PM
My last paycheck was normal.. exacly the way you should be paid.. But they haven't fixed the payment period that went awry before that. They did email me with a bug support ticket but haven't followed up on that .. so basically they still owe me money!
I did that too, mailed them asking why did i get less . they replied, saying they know about the issue. then yesterday i called them asking about the chargebacks and other features. when i mentioned about the difference in payment they said it was an error but the amount i was paid was the correct one. So we won't see that money from them >:(
anonymous camgirl
09-22-2015, 07:19 PM
Oh did you get a bug support ticket then?
I did that too, mailed them asking why did i get less . they replied, saying they know about the issue. then yesterday i called them asking about the chargebacks and other features. when i mentioned about the difference in payment they said it was an error but the amount i was paid was the correct one. So we won't see that money from them >:(
PrincessLavender
09-22-2015, 08:48 PM
Anyone still having problems with people not getting charged for being in Nude Chat? I had someone (a member with funds) come into my Nude Chat. When he left it didn't say the usual "XXX has left" or whatever it says so I knew right away he wasn't charged. Someone came in right after him. I screenshot it and logged off. I went to email support and noticed that the one I screenshot actually did get charged. Of course. I've emailed them 3 times about it but they always ask for a screenshot. I'm always splitting when I'm on Cams so I can't stop what I'm doing and get a screenshot. (I don't want them to know I'm splitting though so I can't tell them this is the reason I don't have a screenshot.) I went to double check my Nude Chat settings and make sure it didn't get changed to tipping chat and the Nude Chat settings link isn't there anymore.
I make a good chunk of my Cams.com earnings from being in Nude Chat while in private on SM. This sucks having to log off now when I get a show on SM.