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Bristol
12-06-2015, 02:37 PM
I'm not sure if it's due to the payout changes (which makes me leary since I was setting it between 40% and 45% before), but I'm actually doing better on Cams lately. More than Streamate, and I've been doing Streamate ever since I started camming. (But then Streamate has been terrible for me lately, so it's not hard to beat terrible.) I'm upping my rate in increments to see what the price tolerance is though.
minniesoporno
12-06-2015, 03:41 PM
The new payout change will be an interesting adjustment. I remember when I started on cams at 45% then it dropped to 30% ish now this teir payout system based on customer spending.
I am sure they are getting a flood of questions.
Kitcatt
12-06-2015, 05:22 PM
Is it actually 30%? When I was on two years ago, they claimed it was 40% but it was actually 29% with "marketing" fees.
minniesoporno
12-06-2015, 05:29 PM
Is it actually 30%? When I was on two years ago, they claimed it was 40% but it was actually 29% with "marketing" fees.
It's 30% but now with tier system if your gross sales is under $5000 then your earning 32%
They will pretty much keep this new system until they come up with a new one or they get enough complaints and make adjustments on it. they said they ran a beta group for it so i guess based on those models they decided everyone should have the same teir system. wish I knew which models where in the beta group so we could have actual stats of how it all works out.
Kitcatt
12-06-2015, 05:34 PM
ah so gross not net? that seems more reasonable. I assumed net sales.
Bristol
12-06-2015, 05:52 PM
...if your gross sales is under $5000 then your earning 32%
At my current rate, I figure it would take me about 15-20 days to reach tier 2, so this tier payment system will end up being useless for me because I will never reach tier 2 before the pay period is up.
anonymous camgirl
12-06-2015, 06:20 PM
I was in the beta group it was waaaaaaay better.. but I guess that to many models were making more than 30% you only needed $500 gross at 30% and then you were making 40% I believe til you got $3500 or so .. I never made it past 40% the whole time but I also didn't work as much as I normally do but I was happy to be getting paid 40%.. now I do not stand a chance to get past 32% I know that much.. unless lightening strikes me.
It's 30% but now with tier system if your gross sales is under $5000 then your earning 32%
They will pretty much keep this new system until they come up with a new one or they get enough complaints and make adjustments on it. they said they ran a beta group for it so i guess based on those models they decided everyone should have the same teir system. wish I knew which models where in the beta group so we could have actual stats of how it all works out.
Susperia
12-07-2015, 05:21 PM
Anyone else having tech issues there today? My sound wouldn't work at all. I contatcted the model live support and the moron on the other side is like...you need to contact tech support....I said I thought this was tech support and he's like "no this is model support" well isn't that the same thing....grrrrr. Fix my sound...also custies were complaining the shit has been fucked up on the site for over a week...I haven't been on since last Monday....kinda been neglecting cams.
PrincessLavender
12-09-2015, 08:37 AM
Figures. I'm actually going to hit $500 in member spend in a pay period (I don't work this site very often because it's really slow for me) and it's the first pay period you have to earn $5000 to get to the 2nd tier.
I guess I should just be happy I'm making money there. I usually take off the week before Christmas through New Years because it's so slow for me this time of year but my husband works in construction and we live in the Midwest which means he's not working. Which means I have to.
Bristol
12-09-2015, 02:54 PM
I was in the beta group it was waaaaaaay better.. but I guess that to many models were making more than 30%
When I worked LiveJasmin (before the gallery photo requirements and the admins literally going insane), it was easy to level up because the increments were 5% and leveled up at $100, $300, $650, $1500, $2500 model earning increments. Those correspond to $333, $905, $1780, $3669, $5669 member spends, which correspond to 30%, 35%, 40%, 45%, 50% payouts. You can see how quickly you can level up when you only need to earn $333 for member spend.
For Cams? Let's see.
$5000, $6000, $10,000 are the increments for member spend, which correspond to 32%, 50%, 60%. Cam's first level is close to LJ's highest level! What the fu...
This payout system reminds me of KinkLive's payout before the sell out. They had a similar tier system. I never made tier 2 on there either, but that wasn't so bad since their lowest payout was 45%. I think these new Cams tiers are a joke. Cams obviously took no feedback from the models. I think the beta program was just a charade for models to feel like they're contributing so their concerns would be pacified.
Oh, and this latest email "New Tiered Payout Comparison" that supposedly "clears things up" about the payout system is a little insulting to me. It assumes I used to set my percentage at 30%. 32% is an improvement on 30%, so that's great! But, I used to set my payouts to 40% and 45%. That's what I liked to set it at. Sure, I may have gotten less traffic, but I had the ability to choose, but this email makes it sound like my payout percentage is higher. 32% is lower than 40% or 45%.
Despite my negative opinion about this, I'm actually not that bothered by lowering to 32%. I work Streamate and they are at 35%. I've accepted their payout so I can accept Cam's payout. And maybe I'll get more traffic. That's great!
What bothers me is how far I have to go to level up to tier 2. It would require me to net $114 per day on Cams just to enjoy 50% payout on the 15th day. I have never even come close to $114/day on Cams, including under this new payout structure. And, even if I did level up, I wouldn't benefit very much given I'd only have 1 or 2 days to use it. Tell me again why I should abandon my more profitable sites to put in a full-time effort on Cams?
The purpose of these tiered systems is to incentivize models and earn loyalty, so that models spend more time on the site instead of flitting around between sites. The problem with a $5000 first tier is only the top models are going to be incentivized, because they know they can easily hit the goal pretty early on in the pay period. But what about the rest of us? If we do level up, it'll be toward the end of the pay period. I think this new system will do the opposite of what Cams wants. It will decentivize a lot of us, but maybe that's their intended result the entire time. Incentivize their darlings, but decentivize the rest of us. :pessimist
Dear Mr Hamilton (Cams model manager): You want us to be loyal to your site? How about make the first tier achievable to most of us?
minniesoporno
12-09-2015, 04:29 PM
I hope the ones who have suggestions for cams on how they should have their teir system contact them.
Whatever we post on here about a cam site that we want changed never really gets seen by the sites. Some might read them but to ensure they get our message you have to contact them directly.
ebonee
12-17-2015, 07:14 AM
Hey has anyone else noticed there earnings for right between the payment change time missing? Like around 11-2:30am everything I made then is not showing up. I'm wait to hear back from support now....
Busygirl
12-18-2015, 01:02 PM
Anyone got their direct deposit in the bank yet?
anonymous camgirl
12-18-2015, 02:15 PM
Nope.. I wish!
Anyone got their direct deposit in the bank yet?
Bristol
12-19-2015, 05:46 PM
Anyone got their direct deposit in the bank yet?
Got it this morning. Weird, since I didn't know it could work on Saturday.
LoL-guy
12-19-2015, 11:05 PM
Hi girls, i wonder is anybody here from Russia who's broadcasting on Streamray/Cams?
ebonee
12-21-2015, 12:45 PM
Payout addition
12/19/2015
Hello models,
This morning I was alerted that there was a discrepancy in the payout for some models. We deeply apologize for this and will be re-running the numbers on Monday and paying out an addition for the corrected stream amounts.
We hope that this hasn't caused too much of an inconvenience and will get this taken care of on Monday for you.
Please let us know if you have any other questions in the meantime.
Cheers,
Steve Hamilton
Model Manager
Cams.com
Anyone see there funds come back yet?
KatyBoleyn
12-21-2015, 08:36 PM
I'll go backtrack through the last pay period and see if they fixed that one as well.
KittieVenom
12-31-2015, 11:15 PM
So lately cams.com has become my main site since Streamate slowed down too much for me. I've been doing surprisingly well on it. But lately I've been seeing a user come in as "Guest" in brownish/gray lettering. no
[email protected] and they don't show up on the left hand site where all my users are listed. I've also muted all guests from chatting so there's no way a guest of any kind could do that. But this person showed up and started saying rude things to me, so I right clicked and blocked him. Today he was back again. The same situation, no showing up of any kind. I promptly contacted support and all they said was "hmm, a lot of other models have reported the same issue. Don't know if it's a bug or what." The support is usually shitty, so I didn't expect much. But all they said was "hope they can fix the problem". Ugh, face palm. It really just freaks me out that these people are getting past everything and feels too weird to be a "bug". Maybe I'm just being paranoid but the "support" couldn't confirm that my account and was safe and shows weren't being recorded so it feels pretty shitty. Has anyone else been having this issue?
KatyBoleyn
01-01-2016, 12:39 AM
Anyone see there funds come back yet?
They issued their correction finally at the end of this pay period, but the numbers still don't come close to adding up for our models' earnings. We'll continue to service existing accounts, but won't be processing new signups for that site.
LaylaLovely
01-01-2016, 11:31 AM
So lately cams.com has become my main site since Streamate slowed down too much for me. I've been doing surprisingly well on it. But lately I've been seeing a user come in as "Guest" in brownish/gray lettering. no
[email protected] and they don't show up on the left hand site where all my users are listed. I've also muted all guests from chatting so there's no way a guest of any kind could do that. But this person showed up and started saying rude things to me, so I right clicked and blocked him. Today he was back again. The same situation, no showing up of any kind. I promptly contacted support and all they said was "hmm, a lot of other models have reported the same issue. Don't know if it's a bug or what." The support is usually shitty, so I didn't expect much. But all they said was "hope they can fix the problem". Ugh, face palm. It really just freaks me out that these people are getting past everything and feels too weird to be a "bug". Maybe I'm just being paranoid but the "support" couldn't confirm that my account and was safe and shows weren't being recorded so it feels pretty shitty. Has anyone else been having this issue?
I get the same grey guest...lol weird I ignore have tried to kick him ..but he doesn't say anymore after the first comment.. Also I still get members with no money in my nude chats and party chats...last time it happened I had the main guy leave n come back then the guy wasn't back
whirlerz
01-01-2016, 11:52 AM
Ugh^. I'm stayin' off cams then..& yea I put down that I don't allow no $ ppl & they show up anyway. F all that.
cymonehearts
01-03-2016, 11:57 AM
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Susperia
01-03-2016, 12:40 PM
They shorted me on my last check by $24. I looked at my previous pay period and there were no chargebacks so I dunno why they did that. It really pissed me off and I haven't been on cams in about 3 weeks now.
Susperia
01-03-2016, 12:50 PM
Oh and I see they issued me a credit for $19. Now since I didn't work last pay period is that $19 gonna carry over to the next pay period or are they just gonna eat my money? I have been looking and couldn't find any info on it.
KatyBoleyn
01-03-2016, 07:50 PM
They shorted me on my last check by $24. I looked at my previous pay period and there were no chargebacks so I dunno why they did that. It really pissed me off and I haven't been on cams in about 3 weeks now.
We have the same general issue, x 100. As for their correction, it should stay as a credit on your account until you make minimum payout again.
anonymous camgirl
01-06-2016, 06:42 AM
Didn't get paid yet with Direct Deposit. anyone else?
breadandbutter
01-06-2016, 07:14 AM
Didn't get paid yet with Direct Deposit. anyone else?
hi, I'm having that same issue, I wonder what's up because it's usually in by now!
jasmine22
01-06-2016, 07:56 AM
hi, I'm having that same issue, I wonder what's up because it's usually in by now!
I didn't get paid yet either....
Alylondon
01-06-2016, 11:28 AM
I was just going to ask if anyone got paid yet by DD :/
anonymous camgirl
01-06-2016, 06:15 PM
Still NADA!.. hopefully tomorrow.. I remember one time though they forgot to pay me and I sent them a message.. They skipped me somehow.. that's why this forum is good to gauge if it's happening to anyone else or not.
I was just going to ask if anyone got paid yet by DD :/
ArynAdams
01-06-2016, 06:28 PM
I was going to sign up for this site today... despite the chargeback situation... some girls here seem to do good, figured why not, and I want a PPM site, but I feel like I don't want to start on streammate as my first PPM site (maybe this is just completely irrational??)... and now cams.com won't load at all. So. WTF. The idea of having the nude chat option sounded good : /
EllieGold
01-06-2016, 06:36 PM
I'm staying away from Cams. I have my reasons... I used to love the site, but it's really fallen downhill. Too many cheapos on there and overall chargebacks we're very fun either. I hope you ladies get paid!!!
KittieVenom
01-06-2016, 08:08 PM
I haven't gotten paid yet and I contacted them today. They said because of the holiday shit they're behind, and it should be this week and maybe even tomorrow. It would be nice if they had at least sent out some kind of message warning us they were behind.
breadandbutter
01-07-2016, 07:36 AM
I haven't gotten paid yet and I contacted them today. They said because of the holiday shit they're behind, and it should be this week and maybe even tomorrow. It would be nice if they had at least sent out some kind of message warning us they were behind.
Received my direct deposit finally. Technically, it did only take four business days if you account for the holiday and weekend. Hope everyone else received their direct deposit too!
Alylondon
01-07-2016, 12:43 PM
I got my direct deposit late last night :D
jasmine22
01-21-2016, 06:33 PM
I've only had one chargeback of $1.... So I'm wondering why all the chargeback a for other girls? I do pretty well there but has anyone tried the new interactive toy feature they are pushing? Sometimes there are technical problems that are very annoying. Am I the only one who still likes the site?
Alylondon
01-21-2016, 08:36 PM
I still cam on there as my main site. My placement went down this month. Streamate is a shit show for me
AlyssaJane
02-05-2016, 05:57 AM
I logged in for the first time for about 15 minutes and was SO LOST! So many icons I am not familiar with after being on SM for so long. So happy this thread exists, looks like BB has some reading to do. Also I see lots of great info on the site itself, but is the dashboard totally wonky for anyone else? My inbox hyperlink goes nowhere, the getting started popup steps just navigates me to the make a studio page, endless loops when trying to navigate certain things. Is it a google chrome thing? I emailed them. Anyways I can self discover most of my questions, just wanted to say hi!!
AlyssaJane
02-05-2016, 07:55 AM
They issued their correction finally at the end of this pay period, but the numbers still don't come close to adding up for our models' earnings. We'll continue to service existing accounts, but won't be processing new signups for that site.
Seeing this I'm thinking nevermind for streamray. The website itself is soooo wonky, and my only motivation was to add eggs to my basket under the Boleyn Models umbrella. Chargebacks and payment errors and headache for you? I'll look at the other options :P
KatyBoleyn
02-05-2016, 10:29 AM
Seeing this I'm thinking nevermind for streamray. The website itself is soooo wonky, and my only motivation was to add eggs to my basket under the Boleyn Models umbrella. Chargebacks and payment errors and headache for you? I'll look at the other options :P
After some very heated conversations with their management, they have started behaving a bit so we'll leave it as is for now. The chargebacks still happen, but they have been rare (1 for one model in the last pay period), unlike last year when it was around 10-20% of all earnings.
AlyssaJane
02-05-2016, 11:00 AM
I literally cannot navigate the dashboard. Every time I try to accomplish something it just links me back to the make a studio page. Apparently I have two messages in my inbox but clicking the hyperlink takes me nowhere. I emailed support and got a cut and paste answer that was completely irrelevant. It looks like a fun site, even if I'm not really sure how it works from the streaming interface, but I am apprehensive to use it if I can't navigate the model dashboard. Spoiled by streamate? It's so simple and easy to check my info there and I'm not overloaded with a zillion things to click (that lead me in a loop anyways.) maybe its a cache cookies clearing issue. I will try again.
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This is the inbox hyperlink I have clicked a zillion times
LaylaLovely
02-05-2016, 05:07 PM
There site does this a lot ..lately at least...I don't think it's on ur end
AlyssaJane
02-05-2016, 05:26 PM
There site does this a lot ..lately at least...I don't think it's on ur end
So the link they sent me to login on was studios.streamray.com but after talking to support I realized the link I actually needed was models.streamray.com. Once I used that login problem solved and no more wonkyness on the dashboard, and I can view my messages. Woot!
minniesoporno
02-06-2016, 08:25 PM
Most of the time it seems like we are complaining about cams
but for me it's a good day today.
Got an email payoneer saying friendfinder is trying to send me apayment since Feb 4 - got it now
I don't remember earning enough for payout and then yes i know sound like i am complaining but the annoying thing I have no idea what pay period are my earnings from when I eventually make payout.
Now the money is on the payoneer card and now with global bank transfer no longer available for me
I won't get the full $50 cause ATMs give out in 20s.
if It was going to my bank I could easily walk in and get all my money down to the pennies even with pennies not available in Canada anymore - no problem.
So my choices are to get check in the mail wait about 2 weeks for it. go to money mart get a pretty good amount of it in full cash.
I am wondering if getting paid on payoneer is worth it yes it's available in hours for $3 but stills if I want all my cash I have to make $20s to break even when the money arrives.
BeautifulJaleesa
02-06-2016, 11:15 PM
I dont think payoneer is worth it. Not only will you get it in 20 increments but depending on the amount you are taking out the fees are ridiculous. There's two atm fees then a fee for using an atm outside of the country payoneer is in. I had the hardest time taking out money I knew i had on the card.. and each time i was being declined at the atm they were charging me a declined fee. So I called and thats when they told me "we dont know exactly the amount that will be charged to you, it depends"
jasmine22
02-07-2016, 01:13 PM
Did anyone receive their 1099 yet?
anonymous camgirl
02-07-2016, 06:54 PM
No I emailed them and they said they will be out by Feb 28th, Really? I already got the other 5 or 6 1099's I needed.. I find it to be kind of a lack of respect for the models because as a business they are supposed to have them mailed out by Jan 31st.... but the Due Date for the IRS to receive the 1099's is Feb 28th
Did anyone receive their 1099 yet?
jasmine22
02-07-2016, 07:48 PM
I emailed them and they told me the same thing, Feb 28
LolaInParadise
02-08-2016, 03:42 PM
I dont think payoneer is worth it. Not only will you get it in 20 increments but depending on the amount you are taking out the fees are ridiculous. There's two atm fees then a fee for using an atm outside of the country payoneer is in. I had the hardest time taking out money I knew i had on the card.. and each time i was being declined at the atm they were charging me a declined fee. So I called and thats when they told me "we dont know exactly the amount that will be charged to you, it depends"
Here is what I figured out about Payoneer. I'm in the US and these are the fees that I see with every withdraw at my bank ATM. The first is $3.15 ATM Fee for Payoneer (my credit union doesn't charge me ATM fees) then .018 (1.8%) of the amount I am withdrawing (not including the Payoneer ATM fee). So for example my total fees to get $400 out of Payoneer is $410.35. I figure out ahead of time what exactly will be coming out of my Payoneer before I even go to the bank. Mine only allows a max of $400 per withdraw so I do my calculations based on that. Here's the formula I use. The Amount you want to withdraw x .018 + 3.15 + the amount you want to withdraw = the total amount coming out of Payoneer. example: 400.00 x .018 + 3.15 + 400.00= 410.35 Hope this helps. They can't tell you exactly what the fees are because of the 1.8% per transaction you get charged.