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lemiwinks31
03-15-2011, 10:02 AM
Those girls wouldn't look half as attractive at home in their gardening clothes as they do in their photos. But even if they did, there is more to attractiveness than physical measurements and not all girls of their physical type have it. Some do, some don't; and plenty of girls of other physical type have it too.


I maintain that you could find hundreds of thousands of women who would look as good or better than those in Jacks list...(with the benefit of a $5,000 hair and makeup job and perfect lighting).....You dont see pictures of these girls without makeup...because they know if they leave the house without makeup, someone will take a picture of them....and in their industry, their looks is more important than anything...(see below)

Would i fuck them all if i was single? in a fucking heartbeat...as i would probably about 15-20% of the female population aged 25-45...would i want to be in a serious relationship with any of them? I have NO clue, looks only get you in the door, has nothing to do with whether i like them or not.




http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aXqLA6mISOA/R4tjQzzFJOI/AAAAAAAAABs/d1TJI29mBxA/s400/Angelina+without+make-up.jpg


Still attractive? sure
One of the 10 hottest women around? doubt it.

jack0177057
03-15-2011, 10:09 AM
There is where you lose me jack. If you are talking about being with a celebrity you might have a point but beauty and celebrity are two different things. Quite frankly, I've been with many women, both for free and for around $300 an hour who were as beautiful or more beautiful than the ladies on your list...

^ I didn't say you had to be rich (except maybe for aspiring cover models and celebrities).

I said they "care about" your financial situation... That doesn't mean they only date trust millionaires and trust fund babies. But, if you come across as someone with no job and still living with your parents, this will probably be a deal-breaker for any smart beautiful woman.

Of course "comforts" are relative. To some women, they just want to fall in love with a professional man that can provide them with a decent house in a decent neighborhood, in which to raise their kids (i.e., a good provider). Other women (who have dated rich men and been exposed to the possibilities) will want a large house in the most affluent part of town, with a Mercedes SUV (for her), maid and nanny... and a lakeside cottage for the weekends, etc. (this is your standard-issue trophy wife). If this is what she's been exposed to and offered (not just by one ugly old rich perve, but by many of the guys she's dated) - and if you cannot provide this to her, she might bang you, but she ain't going to marry you.

I assume, that since you can spend $300 an hour with escorts on a regular basis, that you are not broke. I assume you have a good job, decent car, stable income and some "discretionary" income. That's good enough for most women. Also, in addition to beauty,... other variables do matter.

(Yes, I do generalize on these posts, because to explain every single factor and variable would required a lengthy treatise every single time I post something... Generalizations are just easier... and appropriate, because, they are generally true.)

Also, there is a big difference between casually going out (its just about having fun) and a serious relationship (she will consider her long-term financial future with you).

jack0177057
03-15-2011, 02:11 PM
I maintain that you could find hundreds of thousands of women who would look as good or better than those in Jacks list...(with the benefit of a $5,000 hair and makeup job and perfect lighting).....You dont see pictures of these girls without makeup...because they know if they leave the house without makeup, someone will take a picture of them....and in their industry, their looks is more important than anything...(see below)


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aXqLA6mISOA/R4tjQzzFJOI/AAAAAAAAABs/d1TJI29mBxA/s400/Angelina+without+make-up.jpg


Still attractive? sure
One of the 10 hottest women around? doubt it.

I said Angelina Jolie in her prime (8-11 years ago)... That's the sad things about stunning looks - they fade with time, so gorgeous woman have to capitalize on their looks very early on... More reason why they should pay attention to the financial wherewithal of their suitors - Nature only gives them a short window to capitalize on their looks and it shouldn't be wasted on PLs.

My point is that 99.999% of men will agree that Angelina Jolie in the second picture and in the pics below is damn hot.

http://latooof.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/angelina-jolie.jpg

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/angelina-jolie/pictures/angelina-jolie-picture-5.jpg

http://www.anvari.org/db/cols/Young_Angelina_Jolie/Young_Angelina_Jolie_007.jpg

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/still/mr_mrs_smith07.jpg

lemiwinks31
03-15-2011, 02:49 PM
My point is that 99.999% of men will agree that Angelina Jolie in the second picture and in the pics below is damn hot.



The PICTURE of her is hot......but she doesnt really look like that....that is just the fantasy.....and the lighting and $5000 makeover.....The superficial(which is where you live)

What she REALLY looks like..... when she wakes up in the morning next to you....when you are having breakfast together....the person you are going to see for 80% of the time is picture 1.(by the way...she is only 35 and i think that pic was taken a couple of years ago)

lemiwinks31
03-15-2011, 02:54 PM
In her prime 8-11 years ago?......she is 35!


so sorry gals......if you are over the age of 27, I dont care how hot you are.....you are past your prime, and no longer Jack-able...or Jack-a-licious...or whatever his rating system is(you know he has one)

DesuvsDeath
03-15-2011, 02:59 PM
So wait... what's the point of this dumb-ass list again?

lemiwinks31
03-15-2011, 03:19 PM
So wait... what's the point of this dumb-ass list again?


Women Jack would fuck.....but ONLY if they are in full hair and makeup!

DesuvsDeath
03-15-2011, 03:24 PM
Women Jack would fuck.....but ONLY if they are in full hair and makeup!

Oh. Women JACK likes... so they must be really high class, right? That also TOTALLY explains why they care so much about what's in your wallet. Jack likes girls who know what they're worth. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

jack0177057
03-15-2011, 06:35 PM
So wait... what's the point of this dumb-ass list again?

Lemiwinks made a comment implying that beauty is subjective (probably because no one else likes the girls he dates) - this list is evidence that standards of beauty do exist.


In her prime 8-11 years ago?......she is 35!

so sorry gals......if you are over the age of 27, I dont care how hot you are.....you are past your prime, and no longer Jack-able...or Jack-a-licious...or whatever his rating system is(you know he has one)

You're the one who exposed a very unflattering picture of an aging beauty icon,... obviously you don't think she's so hot, because of the wrinkles appearing on her face.

We're talking about Hollywood... At 35+, there will be no more sexy roles for her. She'll be playing mommy roles from now on... I don't make these rules, but these are the rules. Same with modeling - over 35, you're past your prime. Same with gold-diggers and trophy-wives.

Does that mean I don't date over 35? (This is not my thread - I'm not looking for a young little dancer GF.) My GF is 40. Her looks at her prime of 25, when we first met, could match anyone on my list. Obviously, she doesn't look like she did at 25, but she's a hot "MILF" and our relationship is solid and profound - based on so much more than looks.

DesuvsDeath
03-15-2011, 07:12 PM
Lemiwinks made a comment implying that beauty is subjective (probably because no one else likes the girls he dates) - this list is evidence that standards of beauty do exist.

You really can't prove that that list proves anything unless you're really going to go around and poll men... which I just took a minute and went through my AIM list to do. (It's not as lame as it sounds. I copy/pasted the question, it took 2 minutes)

So far I'm inclined to believe with Lemiwinks - out of the men that I've asked... most of the comments I've gotten have been things like "They're all so generic and fake looking"... or "She's hot... but not really beautiful"
Only 2 girls on the list have been called beautiful so far*.

*While many have been called hot/doable when asked specifically "But is she beautiful" the answer has been no.

yoda57us
03-15-2011, 07:17 PM
Lemiwinks made a comment implying that beauty is subjective (probably because no one else likes the girls he dates) - this list is evidence that standards of beauty do exist.


Jack, it's so entertaining when you show up on a thread that would have petered-out quietly and rescue it with your own special point of view...

Beauty is subjective jack. How can it not be? Whatever "standards" that you claim exist are also subjective. Sure I would boink any of the women on your list but I could also name ten or twenty more that I would boink long before any of the women you listed...accept for Shakira...

For instance, I would take Jennifer Aniston, Penelope Cruz, Salma Hayek, Christina Applegate, Lucy Lui, every escort and civvie that I am currently sleeping with before I would go near anyone on your list...accept for Shakira...

Yes, the women on your list are all beautiful but they don't embody what I look for in a woman. While I wouldn't throw them out of bed, I wouldn't go out of my way to be with them either...accept for Shakira. Damn that woman is hot!

Many things in life are subjective jack, including what appeals to us in members of the opposite sex. It's hilarious how far backwards you will bend over to try and prove a point though...

lopaw
03-15-2011, 08:11 PM
Jack, it's so entertaining when you show up on a thread that would have petered-out quietly and rescue it with your own special point of view...



I was just thinking the very same thing.

While I certainly disagree with many of the gross exaggerations and mass stereotyping that jack seems to base alot of his arguments on, I do give him credit for staying power, even under the most adverse conditions ;D.

arielbriel
03-15-2011, 11:35 PM
First of all, there is nothing wrong with your arrangement - as long as you get your money's worth (i.e., sex - lots of it). Computers are very cheap nowadays, so, if you can negotiate a few night-long sexual sessions for a $600 computer, you've done well...

Look at Yoda, he relies on P4P for female companionship and seems much happier than the average guy in a "free sex" relationship.

To some extent - EVERY woman is going to care about what you have in your pockets (specially, if you're over 25). I'm sure you're looking for a young gorgeous woman with awesome T & A. The better looking she is, the more she's going to care about your $$$$ and what you can offer her ... that's just life, my friend. If she's a prize, you can bet that better men than you are chasing after her and willing to spend a lot of money to "win" her affection. You care about her looks, she cares about your pockets (unless you are so extremely handsome that she want to buy you things) -- all is fair in love and war.

If your dancer friend is stunningly beautiful,... then, before dumping her, take her around and use her to meet other prospects. A hot lady by your side has a way of making you look ten times as attractive as you really are. She can be your "wingwoman". Then, after she's served this purpose, do what you must.


Are you kidding? A FEW night long (as in 8 hours?) sessions for one $600 laptop? HAHA, wow..you're dreaming. ::)

Hopper
03-16-2011, 12:51 AM
I can accept Jack's original generalization that an attractive woman will go for the highest bidder, all other things being equal. Everybody, men and women, want security, which requires money. A very attractive woman has a lot of men to choose from so she can probably get a man with a high income AND personality, good nature, principles etc etc. Even a woman who is financially successful herself will likely prefer to marry a man capable of earning roughly her own level of income (or at least ability or intellect) and if she is hot as well (which is the kind of woman we are talking about) she has a good range of choices just like any other hot girl. However, I think it is ability, not actual income, which women most admire in men, though ability does not always correspond with income.

I think we got away from Jack's main point when we started arguing about his list of celebrities. His original point was that "highly prized" women are likely to be expensive to date. Jack's own definition of what "highly prized" means, and yours and mine, is beside point. I guess though that how much money a given woman can ask for depends on how many men "highly prize" her, because her "price" will depend on the size of her market and how much competition she has.

DesuvsDeath
03-16-2011, 12:58 AM
^There's a BIG difference between wanting someone who is stable/wanting security and going for the highest bidder.

cherryblossomsinspring
03-16-2011, 01:29 AM
Men didn't create the need or market for "it", they were born with the need. If women weren't interested in money, or security, men would not have to buy "it" with money.

No they weren't born with the need. They have brainwashed themselves into thinking it's a NEED. That's biggest error men have made. If it's all about getting off what's so wrong with a bottle of lotion and a happy hand? But men WANT MORE. When you WANT what you don't NEED, It's going to COST!

Plain and simple. Get out the lotion and the hand and go to work! NEED RESOLVED.

Women don't need men for that purpose that's why women are so WANTED.

This also why so many men go into strip clubs with a chip on their shoulder and an axe to grind. They hate feeling like they want these women so much, so they attempt to debase and disrespect these women in sad way of saying "I don't want" you. The reality is , their very presence in the club has stated just the opposite.

Hopper
03-16-2011, 02:00 AM
^ We don't just buy things we need, we also like to enjoy life. We buy things we want as well, so there is a market for them. Attractive women have a lot more to offer than my hand, and it doesn't stop at sex. Try eating only lettuce for the next two weeks. You don't NEED a variety of tasty food to satisfy your hunger. If you want to go that far, you could also say I don't NEED to get off at all. Men's enjoyment of attractive women is so strong, so basic to our psychology and emotional life, that I would class it as a need, even if it is not essential for sustaining life.

cherryblossomsinspring
03-16-2011, 02:22 AM
^ We don't just buy things we need, we also like to enjoy life. We buy things we want as well, so there is a market for them. Attractive women have a lot more to offer than my hand, and it doesn't stop at sex. Try eating only lettuce for the next two weeks. You don't NEED a variety of tasty food to satisfy your hunger. If you want to go that far, you could also say I don't NEED to get off at all. Men's enjoyment of attractive women is so strong, so basic to our psychology and emotional life, that I would class it as a need, even if it is not essential for sustaining life.

hahah lol @ Lettuce... Actually that would not sustain me and I would eventually die. Iron deficiency my dear, that comes from being a woman...ahem.. will not go into detail on that one. I do like chocolate, but I know that I will not die If I don't have it.

But when it comes to WANTING chocolate, then it's a desire not a need. I can go without it. You may classify it as A NEED , which is the error that men have made. That's the point I was making. So a guy will not really enjoy his life if he doesn't have a beautiful woman to bend over? That seems sadly childish. If it had to do with emotions then it wouldn't be a bend over and dash back to the wife moment. You would be just sleeping with your beautiful wife. It's a WANT. WANTING more usually costs more. You can also add the psychology to the mix, but once again this goes back to what someone is taught . So being conditioned to believe that you NEED sex to be a normal man is once again back to that same point. Men have taught themselves that they NEED something that is really a WANT. Which is why there is a market to sell it to them.

The "market" I'm referring to has nothing to do with the produce aisle. heheh:)

Wait wait what am I doing?? Telling a man that he doesn't need sex ?? How silly of me! YES YOU NEED SEX PAY PAY PAY! KEEP SEX WORKERS EMPLOYED :) THANKS!;)

Jessie_tinydancer
03-16-2011, 03:19 AM
I donno about you guys but I NEED sex... and I need it with a real live cock. Sure I can get by with myself and mr. glass but I turn into a psycho biatch eventually. As in within 4 days of not having real sex with a person. And if I couldnt readily get it... I would pay. Lucky for me.. men need it too so I dont have to pay hehe.

Hopper
03-16-2011, 03:42 AM
hahah lol @ Lettuce... Actually that would not sustain me and I would eventually die. Iron deficiency my dear, that comes from being a woman...ahem.. will not go into detail on that one. I do like chocolate, but I know that I will not die If I don't have it.

But when it comes to WANTING chocolate, then it's a desire not a need. I can go without it. You may classify it as A NEED , which is the error that men have made. That's the point I was making.

Whether or not men NEED to be with attractive women, it is still a legitimate WANT, which creates a legitimate market. That is my point.


So a guy will not really enjoy his life if he doesn't have a beautiful woman to bend over? That seems sadly childish.

No, not really enjoy. Sorry to break it to you. Childish as it might seem, men really do not like to miss out on being with attractive women. The hand just doesn't do it for us.


If it had to do with emotions then it wouldn't be a bend over and dash back to the wife moment. You would be just sleeping with your beautiful wife. It's a WANT.

Who said we were just talking about sex, as in just the physical act? If a man is married to a beautiful woman, he already has sex with a beautiful woman every week.


WANTING more usually costs more.

Your point?


You can also add the psychology to the mix, but once again this goes back to what someone is taught . So being conditioned to believe that you NEED sex to be a normal man is once again back to that same point. Men have taught themselves that they NEED something that is really a WANT. Which is why there is a market to sell it to them.

No psychology is not all taught. If a person is deprived of fulfilling a strong, natural, born desire it will have a psychological effect. It is not conditioned in. You would have to condition it out.

There is no distinct line between NEED and WANT. If you have a strong, natural WANT it can also be practically classed as a NEED. That is not taught, it simply springs from the fact of the desire naturally being so strong. If deprivation of something results in adverse psychological effect, then it is practically a NEED.


The "market" I'm referring to has nothing to do with the produce aisle. heheh:)

A market is a market - they work the same way.


Wait wait what am I doing?? Telling a man that he doesn't need sex ?? How silly of me! YES YOU NEED SEX PAY PAY PAY! KEEP SEX WORKERS EMPLOYED :) THANKS!;)

yoda57us
03-16-2011, 05:30 AM
Are you kidding? A FEW night long (as in 8 hours?) sessions for one $600 laptop? HAHA, wow..you're dreaming. ::)

Yeah I thought this was pretty funny. Most of the P4P girls I know will laugh at anything less than a Mac Book Pro at around two grand and that's considered a perk, not payment!

Jack doesn't really do P4P but it's so cute when he tries to give advice...

Raider
03-16-2011, 06:09 AM
Most of the P4P girls I know will laugh at anything less than a Mac Book Pro at around two grand and that's considered a perk, not payment!

I was actually asked last night if I wanted to buy her some chickens/:O. Not kentucky fried....not nuggets.....freakin chickens !! Where does that fall on the scale of $600 laptop or Mac Book? Really didn't know what to say.

yoda57us
03-16-2011, 08:42 AM
I was actually asked last night if I wanted to buy her some chickens/:O. Not kentucky fried....not nuggets.....freakin chickens !! Where does that fall on the scale of $600 laptop or Mac Book? Really didn't know what to say.

Found them here at $41.99 each...

http://dblrsupply.pinnaclecart.com/catalog/Full_Size_Breed_Standard_Chicks-421-1.html

Just as beauty is subjective value is relative. A bird in the hand...

jack0177057
03-16-2011, 08:45 AM
Beauty is subjective jack. How can it not be? Whatever "standards" that you claim exist are also subjective. Sure I would boink any of the women on your list but I could also name ten or twenty more that I would boink long before any of the women you listed...accept for Shakira...

Again, I am guilty of generalizing,... I've admitted that before - its the most expedient on a forum like this (or so I thought),... but to go to the other extreme and say that my generalizations have no merit is absurd.

When it comes to BEAUTY,.... only BEAUTY,... not personality,... not intelligence,... not charm,... not character,... ONLY BEAUTY, you seriously deny that any standards exist, even at the upper tier? (In the mid-tier, it does get more subjective.)

Granted, in the Miss Universe pageant,... you might vote for Miss Germany, I might vote for Miss Venezuela,.. but we're both likely to agree that they're both gorgeous women and that we would pay a lot of money to spend the night with either one of them. (I was about to write "$1,000", but then stopped,... because you'll debate me on that, too - which is besides the point). If both women are on the same tier of beauty, then yes, personal preferences will make our selection subjective, but, if two women are on different tiers of beauty - say a woman in the Miss Universe pageant and a very average-looking girl working at the Home Depot - we are both likely to agree on which one is attractive and which one is not.

To say that beauty is entirely subjective is utterly preposterous. To some extent, biology tells us what is attractive (i.e., hourglass figure that sends a message to our brain that this woman is healthy and can mother a child) and, to a larger extent, culture defines what is attractive (i.e., the women that our society holds on pedestals as examples of pristine beauty).

There have been studies done about attractive people. Scientist/psychologists have been able to dissect certain physical traits that make women and men attractive...
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132231&page=1
http://face-and-emotion.com/dataface/facets/attractiveness.jsp
http://thevelvetrocket.com/2008/03/19/the-pretty-project-what-makes-someone-attractive/

The cosmetic and fashion industry understand this and create products that imitate standards of natural beauty. (E.g., high heels to create the impression of longer legs, facial cosmetics, etc.)

Furthermore, studies have shown that attractive people have some advantage in the workplace. (Some, as in, not absolute,... they still have to perform good work - no need to engage in a new debate about this.)

Back to my original point - women of stunning and outstanding good looks have prizeability in our culture (i.e., they are highly valued in our society, are in high-demand, are highly sough-after, etc.)... They are pursued by many men, including men who also have prizeability (i.e., handsome, athletic, well off and all three). With a large pool of suitors, they can afford to be more selective and "care about" what you have in your pockets. I'm not saying they are ALL gold-diggers, but that they (along with many women) will care about your financial prospects if they are to consider you for a long term relationship.

Go to any dance club and you'll spot them... the women that all the guys are drooling over, but only "alpha males" with the most inflated egos dare to approach (and most get shot down). These women attract men with money, power, status and good-looks.

Can any woman be an exotic dancer? I guess, technically, the answer is 'yes' - if she's willing to peel her clothes, some club will take her,... but you and I both know the answer should be 'no'. If you and I were to pick 30 random women off the street and select 5 to give us lap dances, I bet our lists would be remarkably similar. (But, I'll grant you that if we go to a club with 30 girls and they are all gorgeous, our lists might be different, because they all have prizeability.)

penandink1019
03-16-2011, 09:49 AM
^ Dude has a lot of free time, apparently.

lemiwinks31
03-16-2011, 10:05 AM
Again, I am guilty of generalizing,... I've admitted that before - its the most expedient on a forum like this (or so I thought),...



When making a point, why not just tell us what YOU think....and not what ALL men think.....or even what MOST men think....because you dont know.

THAT is probably the most expedient.

yoda57us
03-16-2011, 11:37 AM
Again, I am guilty of generalizing,... I've admitted that before - its the most expedient on a forum like this (or so I thought),... but to go to the other extreme and say that my generalizations have no merit is absurd.

Of course it's a matter of opinion jack but I don't really place expediency too high up on my list of important attributes when participating in a discussion, on-line or otherwise. I actually take a fair amount of shit for it on some other boards. All generalizations are not useless but they are a very often a cop-out. On the other hand, they can be a great way of getting people who don't agree with you to start a debate with you. Generalizing is also often a bit stereotypical jack. Instead of back-pedaling and explaining yourself it seems to me it would make more sense to think about what you actually want to say before you hit send...of course, this way is fun too!


When it comes to BEAUTY,.... only BEAUTY,... not personality,... not intelligence,... not charm,... not character,... ONLY BEAUTY, you seriously deny that any standards exist, even at the upper tier? (In the mid-tier, it does get more subjective.)

Of course standards exist jack but there is no "one" standard. Everyone has a different standard of beauty. For many years the fashion industry tried to convince us that the "standard" was 90lb women who lived on lettuce, carrots and water while being expected to fit into designer size "0" while strutting down the runway looking angry and, well, hungry! That never worked for me and never will so the fashion industries definition of beauty was useless to me. It may be selfish but I like what I like, not what some designer says I should like.


Granted, in the Miss Universe pageant,... you might vote for Miss Germany, I might vote for Miss Venezuela

Actually I'm much more likely to vote for Miss Venezuela...


If both women are on the same tier of beauty, then yes, personal preferences will make our selection subjective, but, if two women are on different tiers of beauty - say a woman in the Miss Universe pageant and a very average-looking girl working at the Home Depot - we are both likely to agree on which one is attractive and which one is not.

What the fuck is a "tier" of beauty jack? A woman is either beautiful or she's not and yes, even that is subjective!. You insist on associating beauty with women who are paid to look beautiful. I do not. A woman doesn't have to be a model, an actress or a pageant contestant to be beautiful. Some of the most beautiful women I have ever seen are working at Dunkin' Donuts serving me my coffee in the morning. It seems to me that you are trying to equate beauty with perfection. Perfection is often boring.


To say that beauty is entirely subjective is utterly preposterous.

The only thing that is utterly preposterous is your insistence on seeing everything in black and white. Everything is not yes and no jack. Leave some room for maybe...

mediocrity
03-16-2011, 12:14 PM
There are definitely some standards of beauty- for example, a 5'4" 300lb chick is definitely NOT regarded as desirable like a 5'4" 120lb chick could be, and there are for sure some markers. However different people put different emphasis on these traits.

In regards to female bodies, I have had male friends who dig big boobs, and some who prefer small boobs. Some prefer a curvaceous Jessica Rabbit chick like jack over there, where some like Milla Jovovich's type better. Even in the case of myself with dudes, I find some traits more attractive than others: I don't care for blond men, I consider anything under 5'11" to be short, I like full lips, more of a lean lanky body type, and big eyes. I would never date a 5'8" 175lbs of solid muscle, tanned, blond guy with a jawline like Superman. It isn't aesthetically pleasing to me.

I agree with yoda on the "I like what I like" but on this flip side of the coin, many people ARE influenced by the media, which is jack's point ( I think.. ;) ).

Regardless, I though this is totally a moot argument, I think GENERAL reality is somewhere in between, but personal reality is just that- personal.

cherryblossomsinspring
03-16-2011, 12:49 PM
[QUOTE=Hopper;2075708]Whether or not men NEED to be with attractive women, it is still a legitimate WANT, which creates a legitimate market. That is my point.



UMM THIS WAS MY POINT. SO WE HAVE FINALLY AGREED TO AGREE. :O

No, not really enjoy. Sorry to break it to you. Childish as it might seem, men really do not like to miss out on being with attractive women. The hand just doesn't do it for us.


YES I KNOW THIS, THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO FUNNY.

Who said we were just talking about sex, as in just the physical act? If a man is married to a beautiful woman, he already has sex with a beautiful woman every week.

AND YET YOU WILL STILL SEE THESE MEN IN STRIP CLUBS... HMM I WONDER WHY?





No psychology is not all taught. If a person is deprived of fulfilling a strong, natural, born desire it will have a psychological effect. It is not conditioned in. You would have to condition it out.

TELL THIS TO MEN IN PRISON, I THINK THEY WILL BE WITH WHATEVER IS AVAILABLE. ATTRACTION TO "BEAUTY" IS SOMETHING USUALLY CONDITIONED BASED ON MEDIA AND OTHER FACTORS. THIS IS WHY OTHER CULTURES IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES MAY BE ATTRACTED TO DIFFERENT FEATURES ON A WOMAN. WHY WOULDN'T EVERYONE FEEL EVERYONE WAS BEAUTIFUL? IT'S CONDITIONING. IT STARTS AT AN EARLY AGE AND APPARENTLY CONTINUES FAR INTO ADULTHOOD. AT WHICH POINT THE PERSON BECOMES GENERALLY "STUCK" IN ONE'S VIEWS ON BEAUTY.

There is no distinct line between NEED and WANT. If you have a strong, natural WANT it can also be practically classed as a NEED. That is not taught, it simply springs from the fact of the desire naturally being so strong. If deprivation of something results in adverse psychological effect, then it is practically a NEED.

IF THERE ISN'T A DISTINCT LINE...WHY WOULD WE NEED TWO WORDS TO MEAN THE SAME THING? NEED ( NECESSITY) WANT (DESIRE OR WISH).

SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS LOL
If you approach a woman saying I want to have sex with you. It would generally come off as a compliment. If you say I NEED to have sex with you, it would then possibly come off as PSYCHOTIC.

The reason this post started was because the guy WANTED something from this beautiful woman. He didn't NEED it. Also he's starting to realize that his WANTS have increased and he doesn't NEED the headache of not getting what he WANTS.
He knows that he needed to support her NEEDS to get what he WANTED. It's more about ego then anything. Wanting someone that dozens of guys are after. A guy wants to come in and take that girl away feeling he now has a prized possession. The problem is that along with his new desires not being fulfilled he sees the price of his possession has also increased. This is no longer fun for him. But at the time when he felt he had this hot girl on his arm, he was pretty happy.

I love chocolate but apparently I can't eat it everyday for I would get sick of it.

Also a truly attractive man doesn't feel he NEEDS an attractive woman. He usually gets attractive women with little work involved. So he WANTS them, but it's so easy to get what you want when you have others would consider a WANT.

Now if the man is not attractive or in better words hideous, then yes he would feel that being with an attractive woman is a NEED, not a WANT. For since he doesn't have them running to him just to gaze over his perfect features, he will have to find a way to make them NEED him for something else.

So as I said keep your NEED. It keeps sex workers well I guess working!

jack0177057
03-16-2011, 02:03 PM
When making a point, why not just tell us what YOU think....and not what ALL men think.....or even what MOST men think....because you dont know.

THAT is probably the most expedient.

"Tell us"? So, I can't speak for everyone, but you do? LOL...

I'll continue to state my opinions as I please... Anyone who disagrees with me, is ALWAYS welcome to debate my opinions. (Yoda takes this way too far, though... He'll debate the most technical and irrelevant points just to amuse himself.)

I may come across as someone with strong stubborn opinions, but I enjoy a good debate and will be a good sport, if my challenger makes the better argument.

On the other hand, if you have a personal dislike my style of argument, feel free to ignore my posts. Don't waste my time with insults - that is very small of you.

jack0177057
03-16-2011, 02:13 PM
There are definitely some standards of beauty- for example, a 5'4" 300lb chick is definitely NOT regarded as desirable like a 5'4" 120lb chick could be, and there are for sure some markers. However different people put different emphasis on these traits.

In regards to female bodies, I have had male friends who dig big boobs, and some who prefer small boobs. Some prefer a curvaceous Jessica Rabbit chick like jack over there, where some like Milla Jovovich's type better. Even in the case of myself with dudes, I find some traits more attractive than others: I don't care for blond men, I consider anything under 5'11" to be short, I like full lips, more of a lean lanky body type, and big eyes. I would never date a 5'8" 175lbs of solid muscle, tanned, blond guy with a jawline like Superman. It isn't aesthetically pleasing to me.

I agree with yoda on the "I like what I like" but on this flip side of the coin, many people ARE influenced by the media, which is jack's point ( I think.. ;) ).

Regardless, I though this is totally a moot argument, I think GENERAL reality is somewhere in between, but personal reality is just that- personal.

I agree with you,... at some point, debates on here take a silly turn and people get carried away with hypertechnical arguments (yes, me included).

Back to my original argument (modified to avoid absolutes)- women regarded as attractive by a lot of men (however subjective or objective that attraction may be) and who are pursued/chased by a lot of men, both rich and poor (whatever that means to you - ignoring the debate regarding what is "rich" and what is "poor"), handsome and ugly (whatever that means to you - ignoring the debate regarding what is "handsome" and what is "ugly"), and variations of positive and negative attributes, etc., can pick and choose their partners from a large pool of diverse prospects, and at least one factor of their consideration (not the sole factor and not the determining factor, but an important factor) is very likely to be (but not always) the financial werewithal of their suitor.

So when a guy (rich or poor) says, "I want a very beautiful woman who likes me for me [whatever that means] and not for my pocket [whether full or empty]", there is a little bit of naivete in that statement. Specially, if that guy is older and not so attractive.

(Though, I understand that there are women, such as yourself, who do not care at all what is or is not in your prospective BF's pocket. You place a significantly higher value on looks, personality and/or charm.)

DesuvsDeath
03-16-2011, 02:23 PM
I was actually asked last night if I wanted to buy her some chickens/:O. Not kentucky fried....not nuggets.....freakin chickens !! Where does that fall on the scale of $600 laptop or Mac Book? Really didn't know what to say.

Chickens > Mac Book... Seriously. The cuteness of pet chickens is indescribable. <3333333

safado
03-16-2011, 02:39 PM
If it's all about getting off what's so wrong with a bottle of lotion and a happy hand?


If you have to ask, you would never understand.

yoda57us
03-16-2011, 02:49 PM
I'll continue to state my opinions as I please... Anyone who disagrees with me, is ALWAYS welcome to debate my opinions. (Yoda takes this way too far, though... He'll debate the most technical and irrelevant points just to amuse himself.)


It's what I do jack. You can ignore me anytime you like...lol, that won't stop me of course...

It's all about clarity jack. You spend half of your time here explaining what you meant to say.

cherryblossomsinspring
03-16-2011, 05:26 PM
If you have to ask, you would never understand.

Well actually after your " Thanks To Women That Give Extras Thread", I'm pretty sure I "understand" how important it is to YOU. ;)

chrischris
03-16-2011, 05:32 PM
The reason this post started was because the guy WANTED something from this beautiful woman. He didn't NEED it. Also he's starting to realize that his WANTS have increased and he doesn't NEED the headache of not getting what he WANTS.
He knows that he needed to support her NEEDS to get what he WANTED. It's more about ego then anything. Wanting someone that dozens of guys are after. A guy wants to come in and take that girl away feeling he now has a prized possession. The problem is that along with his new desires not being fulfilled he sees the price of his possession has also increased. This is no longer fun for him. But at the time when he felt he had this hot girl on his arm, he was pretty happy.


No, her "WANTS" have increased (computer...cell phone) and I dont "NEED" to continue with this bs relationship of getting what she "WANTS". Just as she has every right to move on to the next guy, I have the every right to move on to the next girl.

Yes it was ego but I also did like her too, I wouldn't have done this to any other girl. Now that I experienced it, I really didn't enjoy it towards the end because things just got boring. They act like they are some kind of celebirty but they are not, when you really talk to them they are just normal people. Nope, no longer fun for me, I am out of it. Better for me walk away and walk away NOW! Screw walking, RUNNNNNNNN!!!

Someone else asked whats the big deal, why not just give her a computer. You are probably thinking well you are already spending $500 for OTC why not spend more? Well if you look at the big picture originally this started out going to the club and spending money, then buying her a drink, then a lap dance, then VIPs, then more continued visits, then more VIPs, then dinner dates (and you dont want to even know how many times I went on those)...get the point??? If I get her a computer or whatever next thing she will want is me to pay for her car payment, then her auntie that just got sick, then a boob job.... SCREW THAT! I am not Wells Fargo!

DesuvsDeath
03-16-2011, 05:35 PM
SCREW THAT! I am not Wells Fargo!
LOL. Oh well. Good for you for not being a total sucker.
Hope the next girl doesn't get greedy and screw herself. ;D

chrischris
03-16-2011, 05:41 PM
LOL. Oh well. Hope the next girl doesn't get greedy and screw herself. ;D


You know the funny thing is I never liked going to strip clubs before, I hated it because it was so fake and that it was a waste of money. I do have a life outside of this hobby and other responsibilities that keep me a very busy person.

But with the past relationships that gone south and me being single at that time I went once for the heck of it and got hooked big time. Yeah I know pathetic loser but I guess she got lucky and reeled in a big sucker fish that time.

Oh well you live and learn. Sometimes things are not meant to be. There will be a next girl, but it will be someone I can view as a wife material. And I wont be looking in these clubs, hell no I am not going again.

I just think its funny how this thread is growing LOL ;D

bem401
03-16-2011, 05:59 PM
^^^The key is not in staying away necessarily but in understanding what the game is before you enter. Most guys who go in there have had their learning experiences in the past. The key is applying what you learned going forward. Unfortunately for the guys (and fortunately for the girls), that easier said than done for a lot of customers.

cherryblossomsinspring
03-16-2011, 07:39 PM
No, her "WANTS" have increased (computer...cell phone) and I dont "NEED" to continue with this bs relationship of getting what she "WANTS". Just as she has every right to move on to the next guy, I have the every right to move on to the next girl.

Yes it was ego but I also did like her too, I wouldn't have done this to any other girl. Now that I experienced it, I really didn't enjoy it towards the end because things just got boring. They act like they are some kind of celebirty but they are not, when you really talk to them they are just normal people. Nope, no longer fun for me, I am out of it. Better for me walk away and walk away NOW! Screw walking, RUNNNNNNNN!!!

Someone else asked whats the big deal, why not just give her a computer. You are probably thinking well you are already spending $500 for OTC why not spend more? Well if you look at the big picture originally this started out going to the club and spending money, then buying her a drink, then a lap dance, then VIPs, then more continued visits, then more VIPs, then dinner dates (and you dont want to even know how many times I went on those)...get the point??? If I get her a computer or whatever next thing she will want is me to pay for her car payment, then her auntie that just got sick, then a boob job.... SCREW THAT! I am not Wells Fargo!

See by paying YOU are the one that viewed her as a celebrity. If you met her at the local supermarket would you have asked her out? It was the glamour of seeing her on the stage , with the lights and how all of these men were drooling over her. $500.00 isn't that much to spend with a person you view as a "celebrity". The problem was that you liked having this celebrity on your arm and now have decided to strip her status and see her as just another girl. Which is why you're looking at the money you spent and seeing it as a waste.

If you didn't feel she was so amazing in the first place, there would be no need to spend so much money on her to begin with. Her asking for more could have been handled with , I'm not going to do that. Simple. If she decided to get pissy and nasty about it, then at that point you could have dropped her. You would be surprised how that may have turned her around to actually apologizing to you for treating you like a complete WELLS FARGO when you were nice enough to not expect any sexual things.

So yes ego was major , but it's not because I think you were a sucker. Actually what I saw was just the opposite. I think you were playing a mind game and it backfired. It's like training a dog and giving them a little "beggin strip" after they comply with your requests. You laid down the money trail bait , she bit into it, which gave you more of her attention. You just expected that if you take away the beggin strip she'll eventually just stay by your side. Since I hear you don't want to marry her, what other purpose would you want a girl around that you're attracted to? Sex perhaps? "Friendship" is such a bs word in my opinion when it comes to a man being attracted to me because I don't screw my friends. Someone says let's be friends after they have been clear they have some desire to be with me, I wouldn't see them as a friend and this has blown up in my face before. For these "friends" will eventually make a move or pass at you and then when you turn them down you actually end up having an enemy.

So 6 months of paying for her attention was not a sucker move. You were looking for longevity and keeping her at your beck and call. So you're smart actually and I'm pretty sure if you are generally a nice guy without the money she'll be your "friend". If hanging out with you was a task , meaning without the money she would find you quite annoying , then yes she'll be glad that you're gone and will enjoy finding someone that she feels has both the personality and money to match her outter and inner appearance.

Just hearing your comment about her "being a normal girl" or "I was getting bored anyways" sounds like you are already on the road of trying to tear her down in your mind so that you can feel she wasn't worth it to begin with. This no longer sounds like the nice guy I pictured you to be at the beginning of your post. What I'm now hearing is bitterness and anger towards her which I find to be quite unfair.

She wasn't playing a game with you. You were playing one with her. Trying to use typical emotions of most women against them. When she didn't act as you expected , that's where the attack on who she is and what she does takes precedence over what you really did enjoy about having her in your company.

I personally don't see why a guy that can easily spend thousands on spending time with a girl yet has an issue with spending another $500-$1000 on a laptop for her. This may be a way where she can go to school online? You brought up her education and this could be the answer. Or maybe she has decided to cam instead of going to the club. Hmm another way to do more for herself without the in person work. So I would have seen the laptop or computer as a way for her to better herself or bring in a different type of income rather than "she's using me"feeling.

I also feel there may be something that you're leaving out of the equation that you have yet to post, but in either case I look forward to a reasonable outcome.

I may also want to add that since you are fairly new to the stripper scene and so is this young lady , you may be be taking some of the advice on this site the wrong way. You do have to think that some of the club goers on the site have been going to strip clubs for the last 10-20 years. Their view may some how be damaged and their comments may come across pretty harsh. I don't know what everyone looks like on these threads but they may not be the 27 year old , hard bodied hot sexy guy. You have to take that into account as well. I'm not bashing any of the previous male posters I'm just saying that everyone has different experiences based on what they look like, how they act at the club and what they look to spend . Also you have to keep in mind that many are not there for the LD'S or stage performance , but in hopes that they will get a BJ for a few hundred. So with the difference in mindset on what one hopes to obtain by going to a SC, you may not necessarily be getting the advice for your particular situation.

Add what's being told to you here from the old timers then add what's being told to this girl from the seasoned ladies and you just have two pawns being moved around a chess board.

Talking to the girl would be the best way to handle things, but you said you're bored so I guess it's curtains for her anyways.

KS_Stevia
03-16-2011, 09:23 PM
And I wont be looking in these clubs, hell no I am not going again

That was your first mistake. Go to the SC for fun, sexy safe times, a little variety. Don't go there expecting anything more, and you will be fine my friend.

Hopper
03-17-2011, 06:24 AM
Again, I am guilty of generalizing,... I've admitted that before - its the most expedient on a forum like this (or so I thought),... but to go to the other extreme and say that my generalizations have no merit is absurd.

When it comes to BEAUTY,.... only BEAUTY,... not personality,... not intelligence,... not charm,... not character,... ONLY BEAUTY, you seriously deny that any standards exist, even at the upper tier? (In the mid-tier, it does get more subjective.)

This is just where I disagree: Beauty is not purely physical, it does depend on personality, charm, character and even intelligence. Body and mind are not separate from one another, they interact. Much of what we see as physical qualities arises from personal qualities. I see as many women with Megan Fox's congenital features and figure who are unattractive as well as some who are attractive. That's because their personalities are a turn-off, and their personalities are expressed in various ways in and via their bodies. How else do we even see personality, other than through the person's physical body? It's what you DO with your body, not just what type you are born with, which determines how attractive you are. The idea of "beautiful body type" is just a simplistic, materialistic notion used in the media to brainwash us.


Granted, in the Miss Universe pageant,... you might vote for Miss Germany, I might vote for Miss Venezuela,.. but we're both likely to agree that they're both gorgeous women and that we would pay a lot of money to spend the night with either one of them. (I was about to write "$1,000", but then stopped,... because you'll debate me on that, too - which is besides the point). If both women are on the same tier of beauty, then yes, personal preferences will make our selection subjective, but, if two women are on different tiers of beauty - say a woman in the Miss Universe pageant and a very average-looking girl working at the Home Depot - we are both likely to agree on which one is attractive and which one is not.

I've got a bomb to drop here. I can never sit through those pageants. The girls in them don't excite me at all. That's because they focus on the materialist notion I mentioned above: If you have this body type, along with a good make-over, you are beautiful. I love to see the interviews with them: Their personalities are worse than most girls you'd meet behind stores counters. And I have also met some stunning girls working in stores.


To say that beauty is entirely subjective is utterly preposterous. To some extent, biology tells us what is attractive (i.e., hourglass figure that sends a message to our brain that this woman is healthy and can mother a child) and, to a larger extent, culture defines what is attractive (i.e., the women that our society holds on pedestals as examples of pristine beauty).

There have been studies done about attractive people. Scientist/psychologists have been able to dissect certain physical traits that make women and men attractive...
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132231&page=1
http://face-and-emotion.com/dataface/facets/attractiveness.jsp
http://thevelvetrocket.com/2008/03/19/the-pretty-project-what-makes-someone-attractive/


I agree that there are qualities which all men would find either attractive or unattractive. Bad breath is unattractive. Rough skin, splotches, wrinkles, bad teeth, bad hair. But a lot of it is cultural and a lot of it simply individual taste. Look around the world at what is considered a standard of beauty in various cultures - many of them conflict. I think what is attractive to any individual depends on past associations one has made. It is also probably to do with what you were exposed to when you were sexually maturing, i.e. when you were first forming sexual feelings.

Not sure what qualifies as an "hour-glass" figure (perhaps you are mean the ideal waist-hip ratio), but there are many very slim girls who are very attractive.


The cosmetic and fashion industry understand this and create products that imitate standards of natural beauty. (E.g., high heels to create the impression of longer legs, facial cosmetics, etc.)

The fashion and cosmetic industries don't imitate a standard of beauty, they impose them, different ones at different times or for different markets. They are programmed via media entertainment and advertising. That's why they call them fashions: Somebody sets a standard (e.g. in a popular movie) and other people follow it.


Furthermore, studies have shown that attractive people have some advantage in the workplace. (Some, as in, not absolute,... they still have to perform good work - no need to engage in a new debate about this.)

This says nothing about why they are attractive.


Back to my original point - women of stunning and outstanding good looks have prizeability in our culture (i.e., they are highly valued in our society, are in high-demand, are highly sough-after, etc.)... They are pursued by many men, including men who also have prizeability (i.e., handsome, athletic, well off and all three). With a large pool of suitors, they can afford to be more selective and "care about" what you have in your pockets. I'm not saying they are ALL gold-diggers, but that they (along with many women) will care about your financial prospects if they are to consider you for a long term relationship.

I agree that women want security, and if they already have it, will still be attracted to men with their own level of ability. But we could think of many examples of beautiful women who fell in love with men for some reason other than wealth.


Go to any dance club and you'll spot them... the women that all the guys are drooling over, but only "alpha males" with the most inflated egos dare to approach (and most get shot down). These women attract men with money, power, status and good-looks.

I see them, but they are not all Playboy or Miss Universe types.


Can any woman be an exotic dancer? I guess, technically, the answer is 'yes' - if she's willing to peel her clothes, some club will take her,... but you and I both know the answer should be 'no'. If you and I were to pick 30 random women off the street and select 5 to give us lap dances, I bet our lists would be remarkably similar. (But, I'll grant you that if we go to a club with 30 girls and they are all gorgeous, our lists might be different, because they all have prizeability.)

You of all people should know that sex icons don't all conform to the Miss Universe type.

Playboy models and pageant contestants are MADE to LOOK beautiful, for the cameras or judges. That is not the same thing as appearing beautiful in person. That requires different qualities. In photos and pageants, it is created by the stylists and photographers more than the person. It's an artificial image. In person, many Playboy girls are probably less attractive than some local shop girls.

Hopper
03-17-2011, 06:33 AM
^ Dude has a lot of free time, apparently.

You are reading it.

Hopper
03-17-2011, 06:57 AM
Whether or not men NEED to be with attractive women, it is still a legitimate WANT, which creates a legitimate market. That is my point.



UMM THIS WAS MY POINT. SO WE HAVE FINALLY AGREED TO AGREE. :O

Not sure we do.


No, not really enjoy. Sorry to break it to you. Childish as it might seem, men really do not like to miss out on being with attractive women. The hand just doesn't do it for us.


YES I KNOW THIS, THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO FUNNY.

It shouldn't be.


Who said we were just talking about sex, as in just the physical act? If a man is married to a beautiful woman, he already has sex with a beautiful woman every week.

AND YET YOU WILL STILL SEE THESE MEN IN STRIP CLUBS... HMM I WONDER WHY?

Men like variety. There are always OTHER beautiful women.


No psychology is not all taught. If a person is deprived of fulfilling a strong, natural, born desire it will have a psychological effect. It is not conditioned in. You would have to condition it out.

TELL THIS TO MEN IN PRISON, I THINK THEY WILL BE WITH WHATEVER IS AVAILABLE. ATTRACTION TO "BEAUTY" IS SOMETHING USUALLY CONDITIONED BASED ON MEDIA AND OTHER FACTORS. THIS IS WHY OTHER CULTURES IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES MAY BE ATTRACTED TO DIFFERENT FEATURES ON A WOMAN. WHY WOULDN'T EVERYONE FEEL EVERYONE WAS BEAUTIFUL? IT'S CONDITIONING. IT STARTS AT AN EARLY AGE AND APPARENTLY CONTINUES FAR INTO ADULTHOOD. AT WHICH POINT THE PERSON BECOMES GENERALLY "STUCK" IN ONE'S VIEWS ON BEAUTY.

Men in prison have no other option. WHAT men like in women is formed at an early age, but only after they already have developed a desire for women and sex. The sexual feelings are already there, they are just shaped at that early age by other influences like the ones you describe. However hat is not the kind of psychological effect I was talking about.


There is no distinct line between NEED and WANT. If you have a strong, natural WANT it can also be practically classed as a NEED. That is not taught, it simply springs from the fact of the desire naturally being so strong. If deprivation of something results in adverse psychological effect, then it is practically a NEED.

IF THERE ISN'T A DISTINCT LINE...WHY WOULD WE NEED TWO WORDS TO MEAN THE SAME THING? NEED ( NECESSITY) WANT (DESIRE OR WISH).

One is a subset of the other or they at least overlap. Many things you need, you also want, so obviously there is an overlap. You need air, so you also want it. And as I explained, many things you strongly desire can be classed as a need. How do you define need? The minimum to support life? Some people consider shelter a house a need, but you could live without one - say in a cave or a tree. It would just be way more difficult and impose a lower standard of living.


SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS LOL
If you approach a woman saying I want to have sex with you. It would generally come off as a compliment. If you say I NEED to have sex with you, it would then possibly come off as PSYCHOTIC.

You weren't talking about sex with one particular woman, you were talking about the desire for sex in general. Unless a man could find only one attractive woman, he would not NEED sex with her in particular.


The reason this post started was because the guy WANTED something from this beautiful woman. He didn't NEED it. Also he's starting to realize that his WANTS have increased and he doesn't NEED the headache of not getting what he WANTS.
He knows that he needed to support her NEEDS to get what he WANTED. It's more about ego then anything. Wanting someone that dozens of guys are after. A guy wants to come in and take that girl away feeling he now has a prized possession. The problem is that along with his new desires not being fulfilled he sees the price of his possession has also increased. This is no longer fun for him. But at the time when he felt he had this hot girl on his arm, he was pretty happy.

None of that shows that chrischris spent money on this girl because he thought he NEEDED her. The best we can say is that he WANTED her too much.


I love chocolate but apparently I can't eat it everyday for I would get sick of it.

That is not a healthy desire. Desire for sex is healthy, You don't have to have it every day or have too much of it.


Also a truly attractive man doesn't feel he NEEDS an attractive woman. He usually gets attractive women with little work involved. So he WANTS them, but it's so easy to get what you want when you have others would consider a WANT.

Now if the man is not attractive or in better words hideous, then yes he would feel that being with an attractive woman is a NEED, not a WANT. For since he doesn't have them running to him just to gaze over his perfect features, he will have to find a way to make them NEED him for something else.

It's still a need for the attractive man, just one he can easily satisfy. If you took the attractive women from him, he would know it. Just because you have plenty of food does not mean you don't need to eat it.


So as I said keep your NEED. It keeps sex workers well I guess working!

I don't need them but I want them.

Rookie2010
03-17-2011, 11:07 AM
I love how some people here take their own opinion and seem to think that it is the opinion of everyone else or they know what everyone else wants, e.g. like how Jack knows what MOST men think about on any subject or what they want all the time. LOL :D keep up the laughs, very entertaining

Hopper
03-18-2011, 01:21 AM
I love how some people here take their own opinion and seem to think that it is the opinion of everyone else or they know what everyone else wants, e.g. like how Jack knows what MOST men think about on any subject or what they want all the time. LOL keep up the laughs, very entertaining


I know that feeling.

countedcrow
03-18-2011, 03:55 AM
I also feel there may be something that you're leaving out of the equation that you have yet to post


I disagree...I think it was there the whole time but it was just missed:


Why do I keep chasing her? Stupidity? RIL? Honestly all that but also because she reminds of a ex gf I had similar qualities and characteristics (besides her being a dancer).


Is it possible you just miss your ex and this girl reminded you of her so you tried to replace her?

Maybe it was that simple, or maybe I'm way off base, but after reading ALL of the thread (including the off topic beauty debate::)) that just sticks out in my head.

chrischris
03-18-2011, 09:31 AM
Is it possible you just miss your ex and this girl reminded you of her so you tried to replace her?

Maybe it was that simple, or maybe I'm way off base, but after reading ALL of the thread (including the off topic beauty debate::)) that just sticks out in my head.


Of course thats why. I actually did like her.

Instead people on here act like they know more because of their experience and everything but when your that emotionally and financially invested in a relationship its not that easy to be so judgmental on someone. Like I said before and will say it again, its EASY to be the judge on the outcome of things. How I view things in life can be different than yours. Maybe its because of my age, how I was raised...its just different how I view and do things the way you might do.

I can bring examples where people got married or found their bfs in the club and I can bring examples of the opposite. So this is just another one of those examples that didnt work out. But if you want to jump on the bandwagon of haters go ahead. Next time your involved with someone you like, post it on here and I will give you my 'expert' advice too ;)

Nobody really had a similar situaiton like mine, and if they did, they didnt clarify the length of it, the amount of times you did meet OTC, the money spent, and what happened in the outcome. I did all that on here. If you read this entire thread no one did. If they did I can bring up the same things they said about me. So whats the point?

I got atleast 4 pm's from people that didnt even post on this thread and are talking about their "relationships" too. I posted everything about it on here for everyone to learn and didnt take anything out of the "equation". Hopefully this wont make others shy and post their situations for all of us. At the end this forum is to help others learn about this hobby. Some situations like mine were costly and I hope someone else that takes the path that I took to think twice about what they are doing.

Am I upset? A little. Is it the end of the world? No. Can I get over it? Of course. The relationships that I did have before were more emotionally involved. When those didnt work out in the end I was even more upset but thats just how life is. It took a some time to get over it but it does after some time. I am moving on like I moved on before, whats the big deal? Do I still talk to my ex gfs? Sure, I keep in touch with them and we are just friends.

If you reread this thread you will see what people said about me: sadomasochistic, not a nice guy, I am not special, I need therapy, I need to cowboy up, phycho, stalker, sucker, 'playing mind games with her', "bitterness and anger towards her which I find to be quite unfair", 'dropping her seems harsh'...

What cause I actually took this girl out to eat and pay her $500 plus the dinner? I am the bad guy now? Atleast I am not that jerk that tries to finger her in her pu**y on a $10 lap dance. I had respect for her.

yoda57us
03-18-2011, 10:44 AM
What cause I actually took this girl out to eat and pay her $500 plus the dinner? I am the bad guy now? Atleast I am not that jerk that tries to finger her in her pu**y on a $10 lap dance. I had respect for her.

I don't think anyone on here is saying that you are a bad guy cc. We are giving you a ration of grief because most of us know that what you tried to do almost never works out. Notice, I didn't say it never works out because I know of rare occasions where it has. That is the exception however, not the rule.

Even now you are still trying to convince yourself that spending $500 on her rather than trying to finger her for $10 makes you special. Well, it doesn't. It makes you a non-asshole but it doesn't guarantee you the affection of the lady beyond her appreciation of you as a customer.

Yes, you can meet the love of your life in a strip club and yes you can start out as a customer but if there are any feelings on her end she is going to let you know, not use you as a mark.

As long as you keep posting about this we will keep giving you our 2 cents. That's what we do here...

Rookie2010
03-18-2011, 08:14 PM
yes, you can meet the love of your life in a strip club and yes you can start out as a customer



LOL! Nice.. ::)