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Rookie2010
03-18-2011, 11:40 PM
all i really need is advice to get OTC happening (for charge of course).. I tried for the first time tonight but all i got was "Im not a prostitute" (but I think she was just saying that for herself, She seemed OK when i explained further on that It was just for her time and any fun we had after the fact was between us)

countedcrow
03-19-2011, 02:44 AM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that there's a chance that she had no idea what you may or may not have been asking her. That is, of course, if you asked her your question in the same manner in which you made this post.

I'm not going to pretend to be an OTC expert here, but I would think that when asking you should be somewhat sober so you can be clear on what you want, and also to understand what you're gonna get, and how much it will cost you.

Based on what you posted I don't have a clue on what she might be considering. You have different dollar amounts and different reasons to get together and, more importantly, seemingly no acknowledgement from her on what you're actually trying to accomplish. With the jumbled mess you got going there, I'm not sure I even know what you're trying to accomplish. (As a man, of course, I can assume what you really are after;))

My best advice, go back sober and ask again. Be clear what you want, be it just time or sex, or whatever. Don't play games like, we just hang and then see where it goes, cause when you both have different expectations that's when problems arise. Find out what she's willing to do, and for how much, and then agree or disagree. If, or when, you get together, honor your agreement. As time passes feel free to ask to change the agreement, but recognize when you do that it could change the dynamic of the relationship. Don't ask for something if you're not ready to accept the consequences of even just posing the question.

Rookie2010
03-19-2011, 03:02 AM
^ Just the facts. I asked her what a good night for her at the club is.. she automatically assumed I wanted her OTC (for fuck) and said she wasn't a prostitute ( you had to be there sort of.. as if she said it for herself but she would still do it, she seemed interested though )... I offered her the good night and even tried to offer her a great night ($500) for OTC fucking.. She knows what I want and that I am willing to spend..
(im trying to find out how i prove it though (that i have the cash.. without counting it out in front of her.. seems kind of cheesy..)

But all that happened was her telling me she would think about it for when I come back. She was also pretty buzzed but we both knew what we were talking about, It's not rocket science here. She knows I want to fuck her and will offer atleast $300. Im wondering if mentioning $500 fucked me over or if I can still go at it with the $300 if she decides she does?

I'm mainly looking for future advice.. And also alcohol helps me with these type of convo's, Talking about pay for sex isn't so easy for me sober, lol. I'll try and learn that one.

Raider
03-19-2011, 06:01 AM
No...would be difficult to go back to $300 after saying $500. Only thing you can do is try and if called out on the different amount (plan on it) you can mention you hadn't figured in the cost of the hotel but that would in essence also mean she was paying for the room out of the original offer of $500. Probably need to stick with original offer.

You can't really go by amount from here with all the different variables as to location and the person's individual circumstances. While $xxx may be excellent in my area it might be a poor night in So Cal.

The dancer's individual circumstance also play into things. What is a good night for her? How consistently does she have 'good' nights? How badly does she need the money? Is she in a relationship?

Also, realize that her comfort level may change. Unless you specify you want x, y and z and will pay her $xxxxxx you run the risk of her saying she misunderstood or she wouldn't be comfortable with doing x,y or z.

What does she get out of it? If she can make that amount in the club on a consistent basis...why meet you for OTC and also do x,y and z for basically the same amount she can get in the club? Unless of course ...that she actually WANTS to do x,y,z and if so.....then why pay?

Her comfort level is what is important to her...not your satisfaction ...so keep that in mind.

bem401
03-19-2011, 12:28 PM
If that is really what you want, let her think about it and get back to you but cut out any big spending in the club in the interim. This will force her to make a decision. A lot of girls are good at dangling that carrot in front of customers till the well runs dry. Tell her the well is dry as far as ITC is concerned and see what happens. She'll either agree to do it or she won't. Continuing to fill her purse with money in the interim will encourage her to defer making a decision.

mortalman
03-19-2011, 12:54 PM
It's probably not likely you'll be able to reduce your offer, but it could be possible.
I had a drunk, I mean staggering slurring drunk, stripper tell me $1000 for a proposed "encounter". A couple of days later when I called her to set it up she said she was "gonna need at least $500". Didn't remember the grand I guess :shrug:

safado
03-19-2011, 01:14 PM
She already told you point-blank, more than once, that that she is not a prostitute and doesn't do that sort of thing, your best bet is to move on and find another dancer that is more willing. If she has a change of heart she will let you know.

Your best bet to find a girl for OTC is one who makes the offer on her own, or you could find one who is desperate for money and having a bad night. Read a lot of rickdugan's posts and trip reports and you may learn something. A girl who gives heavy extras like pulling out your dick to suck on it is a good candidate.

The girls that I have done OTC with were ones that I have gotten heavy extras from inside the club, so I was confident that I was going to have a good time OTC. I have paid in the 200 - 300 range.

here is a link where I reported on my first OTC experience.

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1648068#post1648068

yoda57us
03-19-2011, 05:52 PM
Dude....

Calm down, maybe sober up and r-e-l-a-x...

Your post is entirely to muddled, confused and scatter-brained for me to even begin to respond. I do have a few thoughts, whether they are helpful to you or not only you can decide.

1. Drunk and or high is not the state of mind you want to be in when you go to a strip club. All it will do is get you broke and in trouble.

2. What on earth makes you think that a stripper will fuck you any better than a civvie girl? Seriously, where does that mindset even come from? Clearly you have no idea what these girls are doing at the club. It's most likely going to cost you thousands to figure it out...if you ever do.

3. For the record, I have never, not once, initiated a conversation with a dancer about doing anything outside of the club. Not sex, not a trip to the library, nothing! Never! The initial approach always comes from them. That's how I manage to avoid the response you got. Having a girl think that you think she is a prostitute will never score you points with her.

4. Even if you are going to approach girls you can't make something happen. It's either going to go down or it's not. The harder you push with a girl the less likely it is that she will go for the idea. I'm not the guy to give advice on this part but, for my money, rickdugan seems to have an approach that works. It seems to me that subtlety and a trusting demeanor works well for him. Drunk and hyperactive probably isn't the way to go...

rickdugan
03-19-2011, 07:14 PM
Wow. Where to start.

First, when I read something like this...


Also do I need money for a hotel too? I'm not living on my own right now and have no place and my car was totaled..

...it makes me feel that there are other life priorities that need to be handled before you spend large sums of money on strippers.

Second, at your age paying strippers for sex will actually give you far less ROI than fucking civvie girls your own age. When I was your age I sourced a lot of my action in regular bars and pubs, not strip clubs. Also, IMHO and IME hot, intimate sex with a young and willing civvie is almost always better than p4p sex. I do what I do for the novelty factor and because it is more convenient given my life situation, not because it is the best sex of my life. If you want to find a wild girl, an Internet romance chat room will get you a lot further, a lot quicker, than a SC.

A lot of what I do to find OTC girls is well documented arounded here, but I'm not going to go any further into it in this thread since, given your age and circumstances, my particular approach would not work for you anyway.

What I will say is that you are setting yourself up to be conned by the girl that you are gunning for. Her classic "I'm not a prostitute" rebuff is what some dancers think is a clever way of telling you that they do not fuck for money. Believe her. Keep in mind that she only agreed to "think about it" after you told her that the money was just for her time. While you thought you were being clever by implying that any sex she provides would simply be something between two consenting parties, believe me when I say that if you give her your money the only action you are going to get is whatever you do to yourself after she leaves you high and dry.

As yoda said, you cannot force it. My game simply involves subtly identifying women who might be open to it and making it easy, and natural, for them to either make the offer themselves or say yes when I do. Again, however, your age and other life issues are quite different than mine, so my ways of doing things would not likely be relevant to you.

Anyway, my best advice to you would be to step back from this whole thing and get your head on straight. It sounds like you have a lot of other things to consider, such as getting your own place and buying a car, before you blow lots of money chasing elusive OTC action.

Just my :twocents:

hockeybobby
03-19-2011, 08:09 PM
Wow. Where to start.


...it makes me feel that there are other life priorities that need to be handled before you spend large sums of money on strippers.

IMHO and IME hot, intimate sex with a young and willing civvie is almost always better than p4p sex.

Anyway, my best advice to you would be to step back from this whole thing and get your head on straight. It sounds like you have a lot of other things to consider, such as getting your own place and buying a car, before you blow lots of money chasing elusive OTC action.


Rick said it better than I could have. Please heed the above very good advice.
Good luck.

Casual Observer
03-20-2011, 11:40 AM
Sober up, and read everything Yoda posted.

Then, read Yoda's post again.


...it makes me feel that there are other life priorities that need to be handled before you spend large sums of money on strippers.


Rick is completely right; you have some serious issues on the homefront to get in order before you should consider taking up recreational P4P activity.


(a side point, i think i've realized spending money like crazy on tips and drinks does shit for showing the dancer I have cash to spend..Question how else can you show her without just pulling it out in her face, or should I do this?)


Stop doing this; it garners you nothing. Do not tip anyone at a club that doesn't provide a direct tangible service.


Not to put too fine a point on it, but I don't think you have any business hitting strip clubs, and strippers aren't going to give you what you're looking for, but getting your own life in order and setting your own priorities will help you achieve your particular goals with women.

JoeUnCool
03-21-2011, 05:44 PM
I would suggest against going this route. Unfortunately, from your writing, this isn't going to happen. No matter what people tell you, it reads like you are going to do it anyway. A few suggestions:


Protect your self sexually. Don't think she's only doing this with you. Condoms are a must.
Protect your bank account. You'll hear every sob story. Don't put your bank account in danger to help someone that can't take care of yourself.
Remember, strippers are like pets. They may be here today and tomorrow, but sometime, they'll disappear never to be heard from again. It happens, move onto the next one.

KS_Stevia
03-21-2011, 06:36 PM
(a side point, i think i've realized spending money like crazy on tips and drinks does shit for showing the dancer I have cash to spend..Question how else can you show her without just pulling it out in her face, or should I do this?)


Do this if you want but strippers don't care how much money you throw around that's not given to them. If anything, it makes you look like a douche. Until you have a lady by your side, tip girls on stage. If you are sitting right at the stage, tip each girl. If you are near the stage, tip the girls you like and tip them more than $1, but you don't have to "make it rain" unless you want to.

Find ONE waitress and take great care of her, she will remember you. Often the older, less attractive waitresses are the best. Look for the ones that always have open tabs w high rollers and brings drinks FAST and aren't getting drunk.

Find a girl or 3 that you like and give them the rest of your money whilst you are together. Its that simple.



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So at the stage (during feature) First I asked her how much It costs her to have a good night at the club (she said around $200)
But after she said ($300) Im thinking she was saying that because she wanted possibly 3 Bills from me?

Now I wasn't thinking about OTC then but she mentioned "what do you mean?" "in the club, here"? "I don't do that, i'm not a prostitute" but she did seem interested during the entire chat, I even offered her a "great night" of $500" (lol)
She again said she was not a prostitute but I told her "I just wanted to cover her for the night so we could go out and have fun, and whatever happens is between us, I'm just making sure you are OK for the night since you skipped work" Anyway she got the idea, she knows I want her to fuck the shit outta me lol.

Now she seemed OK with this (well I told her i would be back and asked her to think about it and she smiled and told me should really would) and I told her I would be back in two weeks since I'm going to be busy.. I have a little bit of hope in me that she'll take my cash and we can fuck like crazy rabbits lol.. we'll see .ill update you guys

SO... what I am asking.. What do you guys do to get OTC going.. I think i might have it here with this chick but I was thinking of bringing $300 since she said $200 for a good night at the club (even though i Said 500) and go from there..


She doesn't do OTC, she isn't going to do shit with you. Find another girl. Trust me from my experience doing all the naughty stuff but mostly just keeping it clean. She is half ass accepting your offer so you'll come back to the club and spend more.

If she was a player the deal would have been sealed.

Or, better yet, call a damn escort, get one that is well reviewed on whore boards and who has a nice web site. It will cost you less and as a prostitute she is going to work harder for you than a hooker.