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JoeUnCool
07-27-2011, 08:18 PM
They always know...

True, so true. The lockerroom is the source for much of it. The girls also watch each other and see who's spending time with who.

yoda57us
07-28-2011, 01:50 AM
True, so true. The lockerroom is the source for much of it. The girls also watch each other and see who's spending time with who.


There are multiple incentives. Some girls are friends with other girls and keep them posted on what their regs do when they are not around. Some girls will get another girl's reg to spend on them (nothing wrong with this btw) and then enjoy getting a little dig in after the fact. Some girls just like to stir shit up by gossiping.

I have a long-time fav who just changed clubs. In her old club I had two or three favs at various times and I spent equally on all of them (I pretty much always do when patronizing multiple girls who work in the same club) My fav never asked me to do VIP in her old club because she knew that (a) I probably wouldn't do it with her since I would take shit from the other girls for doing VIP with her and not with them and (b) she would end up taking shit from the other girls and she doesn't like drama. Now that she's in a new club and I have no other favs we do VIP on every visit. Her old club was the first place in years that I had somehow allowed myself to wind up with multiple favs. When I started visiting five or six years ago I was in a "no more ATF's" mode and was definitely playing the field instead of sticking to my "one fav per club" rule...

rickdugan
07-28-2011, 07:03 PM
I will admit that I'm not sure what her angle is yet, and I have been clear about what my expectations are in an OTC encounter, but I'm going to ride this out and see where it goes.

I went in last night to see Anne, even though the regular crew was working and they will no doubt report what were some ridiculous barside antics back to Sexy Italian. However, I not only wanted to see her again, but I had to puzzle out exactly why she has been pushing so hard for a night out even when I was not spending much on her and after I had already declined several times after her initial no show/no call.

Well, I now know what her angle in all of this - she is looking for a new "boyfriend." She recently "broke up" with a married guy, eight years older than I, who had been giving her gifts and also "helped her" from time to time with bills and other things. When she explained this she rushed in to say that she was not looking for a sugar daddy, but it sounded an awful lot like an old school version of a SD/SB arrangement to me.

Now I'm not sure how interested I am in getting bogged down in something like that, but I suppose there's no harm in a big night out with a hot young girl with nice finale at a four star hotel. ;) After that we shall see.

To be continued...

yoda57us
07-29-2011, 01:47 PM
^ Clearly rick you are old enough to make your own decisions but, honestly, I think you may be treading on dangerous ground here as a married guy. I spent a lot of money on strippers and escorts when I was married but I never crossed the line and got involved in a relationship that wasn't a simple exchange of x dollars for x service. NSA means just that, NSA. When either side starts talking about grey areas like "married BF's" or sugar daddies it means trouble. I'm sure you are already thinking this but just because she says she doesn't want a sugar daddy doesn't mean she isn't lying through her teeth.

She's a hot stripper. She can get laid as much as she wants if all she wants is sex. From guys like us a girl like her always has an end game. Be careful.

rickdugan
07-29-2011, 07:40 PM
Yoda, this is all really just shits and giggles entertainment for me and I really don't have an interest in getting bogged down in something like that. But nothing in that statement should be read to dismiss your thoughts on this. Your instincts and insights in dealing with local favs are well appreciated and invariably hard to argue with.

Several years ago, before my clubbing was road focused, I saw a few of these arrangements and they were invariably much more expensive than simple p4p. I saw some smart guys do some dumb things.

One of those smart guys was a good friend who lost his mind over a particularly gifted seductress. Over several months he spent everything he had, including his available credit. Now during that time he had a lot of fun with her, but he couldn't seem to say no to her. Finally, when the money ran out so did his welcome. I continue to carry this as an object lesson.

Nope - I have no interest in an ongoing lease arrangement, but there's nothing necessarily wrong with taking the car for a test drive. ;)

rickdugan
08-07-2011, 05:53 PM
Here we go again. Very nice seats to a premier Broadway show have been purchased, almost despite my better judgement. I even brazenly paid for the hotel room upfront - 4 star of course. And the restaurant that I have booked is probably as good as any that she has ever been to. A fantastic night in Manhattan, with all that it has to offer, is right on tap. She will even be receiving door to door service as, at her request, I will be picking her up at her apartment.

I have done everything that I can to ensure that this is not a fake out, but one never really knows. I have made it crystal clear that she did not have to offer go out with me in order to have me visit her, but she has pushed this and claims that she really wants it. I suppose it is in the hands of fate now.

But hey, if she doesn't show, then at least I can provide a couple of homeless guys with a very nice night at the theatre. ;)

yoda57us
08-08-2011, 09:07 AM
Sounds like a great night out rick!

rickdugan
08-08-2011, 09:28 PM
Wow. Just fucking wow. What an incredible night. It was such a great night that posting a TR would just seem to cheapen it somehow. She just left and already I want to see her again.

Probably needless to say, but Sexy Italian just got fired.

I took a girl out who is almost half my age and had the time of my life. She is young but has a much older mind, courtesy of a tough upbringing in a foreign country, so the discussion material was fine. Simply put, she looked ridiculously hot and she played her cards right the whole night. Wow - repetitive I know but I am obviously at a complete loss for words.

And WOW again.

Next morning edit: As is no doubt obvious from the post above, she had quite an effect last night. The seeming gallons of red wine consumed last night might have had something to do with the exuberant post. ;) After a night's sleep and in the clearer light of day (and sobriety), I don't think that I'm going to fire anyone just yet, but rather just manage things very carefully for now and never go in when they are both working. I am still in a position of not exactly knowing what Anne's expectations are, which has left me a little cautious and not quite ready to ditch what has been a wonderful, and simple, p4p arrangement for over a year.

yoda57us
08-09-2011, 08:59 AM
'Atta boy Rick! The whole point of P4P, in any form, is that you can fuck more than one hot chick at a time!

rickdugan
08-09-2011, 11:52 AM
'Atta boy Rick! The whole point of P4P, in any form, is that you can fuck more than one hot chick at a time!

Yeah, yeah false chealeader - LOL. You just want to read about the almost inevitable crash and burn when I fail to thread this needle. ;)

I think that you and CP were right in your earlier assessments that the odds of keeping these arrangements in silos are low, but I'm gonna' try at least for a little while. Their is a certain amount of controlled animosity between the Americans and Russians in this club, so I'm not liking my chances, but it is worth a shot.

yoda57us
08-09-2011, 12:21 PM
LOL, clearly rick you are not wading into this with your eyes closed! The animosity factor between the girls will probably play into it. You'll have team USA watching your every move when you visit the club and sexy Italian is not there. I used to experience this with the Brazilians vs. the American girls but as the economy has wilted it seems to be more of an "every woman for herself" scenario with my favs.

KS_Stevia
08-10-2011, 06:23 PM
and they say that its women who like the drama....watch out for the russians, all I can say, we have no fucking sense of morals or ethics and will do what it takes to get what we want.

rickdugan
08-11-2011, 06:04 AM
and they say that its women who like the drama....watch out for the russians, all I can say, we have no fucking sense of morals or ethics and will do what it takes to get what we want.

KS I'm really no fan of drama. If I had my way I then I could just manage a transition however I chose, or better yet continue to enjoy both girls. But obviously that is not going to happen. The last time I took interest in another girl things got ridiculous at the club, so this time around I am chronicling the events for whatever entertainment value that these posts may have.

I actually had to go to another club last night because both girls were working in my favorite club and I haven't finished the transition yet, primarily because I am not clear yet about what Anne's ongoing expectations are. I should have this worked out one way or ther other in the next week or so.

And I'll keep your thoughts on the Russian girls firmly in mind. ;)

Asian Sensation
08-13-2011, 09:38 AM
The last time I took interest in another girl things got ridiculous at the club, so this time around I am chronicling the events for whatever entertainment value that these posts may have.



Entertaining they are. My broke self lives vicariously through you.

yoda57us
08-13-2011, 11:53 AM
and they say that its women who like the drama....watch out for the russians, all I can say, we have no fucking sense of morals or ethics and will do what it takes to get what we want.

LOL, this is the same advice that a former Brazilian fav gave me about all ladies of her ethnic heritage.

Alas, I didn't listen...}:D

rickdugan
10-21-2011, 01:14 PM
As a final update to this little saga, Sexy Italian has retired from dancing. She was on the slow road to burnout for a while and it was simply time for her to move on. This stinks for multiple reasons, but this is life.

Anyway, things with Anne have been going slowly. At her urging and in the hopes of building some momentum, I agreed to another event about 2 weeks after our great night out. However, she cancelled last minute, which was the second time she had done that. Now normally the 2nd time is the last time I give it a shot, but with the successful night sandwiched in between the two bailouts I have kept the door open. However, I have managed my visits and spending accordingly since then. She is now asking me to take her to yet another event, one which would require some serious outlay to do right, and is pushing hard for it. We shall see.

In any event, the good news in all of this is that I am now a free agent again as far as the American girls are concerned. It may be time for me to go shopping...}:D

yoda57us
10-22-2011, 09:12 AM
LOL, just beware of the fleetingly temporary sort of "retirement" that often happens with dancers! You never know when you may walk in one night and find Sexy Italian sitting next to your next fav...

JoeUnCool
10-23-2011, 01:31 PM
As a final update to this little saga, Sexy Italian has retired from dancing. She was on the slow road to burnout for a while and it was simply time for her to move on. This stinks for multiple reasons, but this is life.

Anyway, things with Anne have been going slowly. At her urging and in the hopes of building some momentum, I agreed to another event about 2 weeks after our great night out. However, she cancelled last minute, which was the second time she had done that. Now normally the 2nd time is the last time I give it a shot, but with the successful night sandwiched in between the two bailouts I have kept the door open. However, I have managed my visits and spending accordingly since then. She is now asking me to take her to yet another event, one which would require some serious outlay to do right, and is pushing hard for it. We shall see.

In any event, the good news in all of this is that I am now a free agent again as far as the American girls are concerned. It may be time for me to go shopping...}:D

Anne is stringing you along hoping to get more from you while giving you less p***y. Been there done that got the teeshirt. Move on to the next one. If money has been spent, then standing someone up at the last minute is a deal breaker and should be treated accordingly, as in moving to another dancer.

yoda57us
10-23-2011, 03:26 PM
If money has been spent, then standing someone up at the last minute is a deal breaker and should be treated accordingly, as in moving to another dancer.

Not if you are already seeing three or four....LOL, monogamy has no place in a customer/dancer P4P relationship...

JoeUnCool
10-24-2011, 06:32 AM
Not if you are already seeing three or four....LOL, monogamy has no place in a customer/dancer P4P relationship...

I was not thinking or implying monogamy. Merely that it is time to sell this one and try out a new one to go along with the 5 already in the garage.

yoda57us
10-24-2011, 07:15 AM
I was not thinking or implying monogamy. Merely that it is time to sell this one and try out a new one to go along with the 5 already in the garage.

Eh, I dunno, it's Rick's money but, if I had a great time with a gal, and she was simply one of many, I would take her when I could get her but not jump through hoops to make it happen. As far as I'm concerned flaking is part of the deal when it comes to OTC with strippers and even many escorts.

rickdugan
10-25-2011, 06:04 AM
Eh, I dunno, it's Rick's money but, if I had a great time with a gal, and she was simply one of many, I would take her when I could get her but not jump through hoops to make it happen. As far as I'm concerned flaking is part of the deal when it comes to OTC with strippers and even many escorts.

We'll see how it goes. As I've said previously, I'm not looking for a girlfriend and seeing her OTC is getting complicated. I agree with Joe that there is a stringalong component to her gig, but all it has done is cost her cash as I pulled my spending both times that she pulled bailouts. I wouldn't even consider it at all except that she is the one lobbying hard for another outing and the last adventure was admittedly a lot of fun.

I have a 3-strike rule in effect for this one and the next bailout will be the last. The funny thing is that she initiated all of these OTC discussions and continues to do so, even when I have told her that she does not need to promise OTC for me to visit her in the club - she is smart, sexy and entertaining, which is enough for me on some nights (at least in my local club).

But it is clear that she is not going to be a replacement for Sexy Italian as the type of arrangement that it would take to lock her down is not one I am interested in. I guess I'll just have to keep looking. ;)

JoeUnCool
10-25-2011, 06:34 AM
Eh, I dunno, it's Rick's money but, if I had a great time with a gal, and she was simply one of many, I would take her when I could get her but not jump through hoops to make it happen. As far as I'm concerned flaking is part of the deal when it comes to OTC with strippers and even many escorts.

I agree on all counts. Its Rick's money. He can do with it as he pleases. And yeah, flakiness is a part of the gig, however, you, as a customer, control the flakiness to *some* degree. Like it or not, she is an employee/contractor/whatever. Rick controls if Rick wants to spend money on her or not. If there is too much flakiness, cutting loose is a good thing and completely in Rick's hands. I've never understood why some people get so nervous around firing someone. I've been there, I originally had the nervousness, and now its no big deal. Cutting the cord with someone, an employee, escort, whatever is a natural part.

The question for Rick becomes "Is the hassle of getting a night cut at the last second more painful then the value created by the successful get togethers?" And that is something that only Rick can answer.

yoda57us
10-25-2011, 07:27 AM
I agree with Joe that there is a stringalong component to her gig, but all it has done is cost her cash as I pulled my spending both times that she pulled bailouts.

Agreed but, the way I look at it, you are only being strung-along if you are falling for it. Obviously rick you know what she's up to and you know what your tolerance level is. Your in control of the situation even though she may think that she is. Of course, she may not even be putting that much thought into it...



But it is clear that she is not going to be a replacement for Sexy Italian as the type of arrangement that it would take to lock her down is not one I am interested in. I guess I'll just have to keep looking. ;)

Looking is half the fun!

yoda57us
10-25-2011, 07:33 AM
I've never understood why some people get so nervous around firing someone. I've been there, I originally had the nervousness, and now its no big deal. Cutting the cord with someone, an employee, escort, whatever is a natural part.


Agreed. Ultimately, with P4P, you are paying for what you want from a woman and she is getting what she wants from you. If a particular lady is no longer someone you want to spend your money on it's crazy to think you can't just stop spending and walk away. Is it going to be guilt and drama free? Maybe, maybe not. It really depends on the personalities involved but you can't let the possibility stop you from doing what feels right.

rickdugan
10-25-2011, 08:05 AM
Agreed but, the way I look at it, you are only being strung-along if you are falling for it. Obviously rick you know what she's up to and you know what your tolerance level is. Your in control of the situation even though she may think that she is. Of course, she may not even be putting that much thought into it...

Agreed, though I have to give her some credit here. I think she does indeed know what she's doing, but she's simply not getting the reactions that she is expecting. She even looked at me in smiling exasperation the other night and said, "you're supposed to be the one pushing to go out, not the other way around!" But of course that could be part of the game as well.

But then again, I am once again visiting her despite the last bailout, so maybe she is getting what she hoped for. ;) With Sexy Italian's departure, Anne is now getting SI's ITC money, but obviously not her OTC take (which was over 1/2 of what she earned from me). What I am getting is 2+ hours of entertainment on each visit, so IMO it is money well spent for a non-OTC night.

We shall see. I have started spreading it back out among more local clubs, and am also about to hit the road for some time, so I will just have to source my OTC fun elsewhere for a while.

rickdugan
01-10-2012, 07:50 AM
Well, as an update, I finally relented and took Anne out again. She was simply amazing in every way.

She was beautiful, stylish and sexy as hell. She has the type of face and body that gives teenage boys wet dreams and last night everything was displayed to maximun advantage with a short, yet elegant, wraparound black dress that had eyes popping and heads swiveling everywhere we went. I have to admit that I had trouble keeping my eyes off of her as well, but lucky for me that I got to put a whole lot more on and in her during a multi-hour finale at my hotel. }:D

Another positive development from the night is that she no longer requires an extravaganza in order to meet me OTC. She also wants to spend the entire night the next time we do this, though I am not sure how I feel about this. I guess that she feels cheap/trashy/whatever leaving in a taxi in the wee hours of the morning.

My continued issue is in figuring out exactly what she wants from all of this. As I've said before, she wants more than simple p4p, so I am flying blind. I obviously spend money at the club and she accepted some from me last night under the guise of a contribution for her transportation expenses/troubles, but she does not want to come to simple financial terms. In fact, she got upset the couple of times that I broached the financial terms topic in the past, so I am guessing that she does not view herself as a prostitute and is maintaining some fictional cover around this.

Last night was absolutely incredible and I want more of it, but I also need to figure out what the price tag is going to be before I go too far down the rabbit hole.

jbviper4
01-10-2012, 10:16 AM
Interesting. I am currently managing expectations around a similar relationship. Thanks

Asian Sensation
01-13-2012, 11:29 AM
Well, as an update, I finally relented and took Anne out again. She was simply amazing in every way.


Glad it was a repeat of the wonderful night and not a repeat of being stood up.

Aside: Am I the only one that finds it strange that "Blue" is no longer blue?

countedcrow
01-15-2012, 05:29 AM
Aside: Am I the only one that finds it strange that "Blue" is no longer blue?

No you are not. I'm constantly looking at the top of the page to remind myself where I am.

Kessler
01-18-2012, 03:34 AM
Rick, keep us updated!

I've learned volumes just from reading this thread... Whether that's good or bad remains to be seen ;)

rickdugan
04-20-2012, 09:13 AM
Another big night out planned and...another last minute bailout.

At least this time she called to tell me a story about illness. The problem, though, is she used precisely the same story, down to the exact symptoms and number of hours she slept, to provide an unsolicited explanation about something else just 3 days earlier. She clearly forgot that she had already used that particular story with me. ;)

Just when I think that I have seen just about every game that can be played between a dancer and a customer, I have a moment like this where my education continues. In this case, I am seeing a rather clever pattern emerging. She dangles an OTC night in the city and eventually I accept, which then leads me to also seeing her a touch more in the club. She bails, which leads me to stop visiting, which is followed by pleading and apologies on her part to get me back in the club, followed by another offer. When she thinks I am about to pull completely off the hook, she makes good on the offer and an incredible night is born, which of course brings me back on the hook. From there, the cycle continues to repeat itself.

Amazingly, this has been going on for a year now. When it started, I was wondering why she would do this as each pullout resulted in me pulling my cash, but she always managed to do precisely what was necessary to get me back in and on the hook, including knowing exactly when I was hitting the last straw, which is when she honored the offer. I have a tremendous amount of respect for this girl - I always knew she was bright and gifted, but I didn't see just how much she had my number the whole time until now - LMAO.

To be fair, she has also been generous with her time ITC and each visit with her has been fun, so I certainly cannot claim any victim status. Also, she has already told me the type of arrangement that she is really looking for, which is a Sugar Daddy type of situation (she calls it "boyfriend" but this is what she really means), but it is not really my cup of tea and I'm not willing to step up to that level. There are cultural differences in play here and she is really looking for direct bill payments and gifts rather than straight p4p cash. After all, she is not a prostitute, which she has made clear to me. ;) But I just have no interest in going down that rabbit hole.

Well, in any event, with my cover story for the night already in place and my hotel room prepaid, I took the money that I was carrying for that night out and had a fairly ridiculous time in a couple of clubs in Manhattan and Queens, so the night was far from a loss. }:D But it would have been fun to get Anne back out for at least one more big night out. C'est la vie I suppose.

The funniest part is that, if she had not slipped up on the story front, I probably would have stayed on the hook for at least one more round. In fact, at first I felt bad for her until, after a few minutes of processing, I recalled what she had told me just a few nights prior. :O

LOL. Just when you think that you are too seasoned and savvy to be played, an incredibly skilled seductress comes along and proves you wrong. Just goes to show the power of a dancer who has that potent combination of beauty, elegance, charm and, of course, intelligence.

My education yet continues. ;)

JoeUnCool
04-21-2012, 07:04 AM
Another big night out planned and...another last minute bailout.

At least this time she called to tell me a story about illness. The problem, though, is she used precisely the same story, down to the exact symptoms and number of hours she slept, to provide an unsolicited explanation about something else just 3 days earlier. She clearly forgot that she had already used that particular story with me. ;)

Just when I think that I have seen just about every game that can be played between a dancer and a customer, I have a moment like this where my education continues. In this case, I am seeing a rather clever pattern emerging. She dangles an OTC night in the city and eventually I accept, which then leads me to also seeing her a touch more in the club. She bails, which leads me to stop visiting, which is followed by pleading and apologies on her part to get me back in the club, followed by another offer. When she thinks I am about to pull completely off the hook, she makes good on the offer and an incredible night is born, which of course brings me back on the hook. From there, the cycle continues to repeat itself.

Amazingly, this has been going on for a year now. When it started, I was wondering why she would do this as each pullout resulted in me pulling my cash, but she always managed to do precisely what was necessary to get me back in and on the hook, including knowing exactly when I was hitting the last straw, which is when she honored the offer. I have a tremendous amount of respect for this girl - I always knew she was bright and gifted, but I didn't see just how much she had my number the whole time until now - LMAO.

To be fair, she has also been generous with her time ITC and each visit with her has been fun, so I certainly cannot claim any victim status. Also, she has already told me the type of arrangement that she is really looking for, which is a Sugar Daddy type of situation (she calls it "boyfriend" but this is what she really means), but it is not really my cup of tea and I'm not willing to step up to that level. There are cultural differences in play here and she is really looking for direct bill payments and gifts rather than straight p4p cash. After all, she is not a prostitute, which she has made clear to me. ;) But I just have no interest in going down that rabbit hole.

Well, in any event, with my cover story for the night already in place and my hotel room prepaid, I took the money that I was carrying for that night out and had a fairly ridiculous time in a couple of clubs in Manhattan and Queens, so the night was far from a loss. }:D But it would have been fun to get Anne back out for at least one more big night out. C'est la vie I suppose.

The funniest part is that, if she had not slipped up on the story front, I probably would have stayed on the hook for at least one more round. In fact, at first I felt bad for her until, after a few minutes of processing, I recalled what she had told me just a few nights prior. :O

LOL. Just when you think that you are too seasoned and savvy to be played, an incredibly skilled seductress comes along and proves you wrong. Just goes to show the power of a dancer who has that potent combination of beauty, elegance, charm and, of course, intelligence.

My education yet continues. ;)

Rick, I don't say any of this to be rude, but seriously, you see what is happening and you keep going back? You need to really examine what you are doing. Its one thing for this to happen once, or twice, but the continual pattern that you are allowing to happen.......don't you think at least some of the blame for all of this buildup and let down belongs with you? Seriously, drop this one and move along. There are other girls out there that will take your money with much less hassle. I'm not talking about street walking hookers, but very attractive girls you can hookup with on a regular basis. There are dancers out there as well as many others that will give you more attention with less hassle. Ultimately 95% of the girls are like pets, nice when you have them, but when they move along, don't get too hung up on losing them.

Stop going to this club. Find another club. Find another girl. Quit this girl. Trust me, you will be in a better mental state if you find another. I speak from experience here.

yoda57us
04-21-2012, 09:16 AM
Stop going to this club. Find another club. Find another girl. Quit this girl. Trust me, you will be in a better mental state if you find another. I speak from experience here.

I couldn't disagree more! Rick clearly knows exactly what's going on. She's flaking. So what? Most dancers who do OTC flake quite often. Heck, a lot of escorts do it too! I don't see what the problem is Joe. You seem to think that rick is somehow being taken for a ride here when all I see is a guy who understands the game very well and understands exactly what this gal is all about. I've been there myself a few times and I can telly you one thing, you are not being hosed if you know what's going on! You are simply playing along. It's a game Joe. I admittedly don't have the patience for it which is why I went deeper into the escort side of things years ago but, trust me, that pursuit has it's own set of pitfalls as well.

You are only being made a fool of if you don't realize it's all a game in the first place...

rickdugan
04-21-2012, 02:18 PM
LOL. I will readily admit that this last bailout really highlighted the particular pattern for me but, yeah, in general I have always understood what this is and have accepted the bailouts with relative equanimity, at least once I stopped fronting large sums of money for event tickets. She is doing what is minimally necessary, in her view, to keep me on the hook. She has also been angling to turn this into something else and I strongly suspect that the level of complexity involved in seeing her OTC would decrease by some inverse proportion to increasing, and more direct, contributions to her lifestyle from my side. ;) On the flipside, I have been trying to see her on more piecemeal terms and have succeeded a few times even though it is not the arrangement that she is really seeking.

Joe, fear not for my mental health - LOL. This is all fun and games for me. I am well aware of my other options and can source pussy from certain clubs quite readily if that was all that I wanted. As I said before, Anne has also been generous with her time ITC and is beautiful, sexy, smart and overall just a lot of fun, so I have been willing to play along on the other front and I consider OTC events with her to be rare and worthwhile treats. But when all is said and done, it is all just diversionary entertainment.

Kessler
04-22-2012, 03:28 AM
Good to hear that the education (and infatuation) continues even for you, Rick. Has a two-fold effect: love that there's a long term learning curve and simultaneously gives us hope - lol.

So now that you've had your big revelation regarding her pattern, do you plan on continuing to see her? Or has some of the mystique worn off?

rickdugan
04-22-2012, 08:48 AM
Good to hear that the education (and infatuation) continues even for you, Rick. Has a two-fold effect: love that there's a long term learning curve and simultaneously gives us hope - lol.

So now that you've had your big revelation regarding her pattern, do you plan on continuing to see her? Or has some of the mystique worn off?

LOL. Infatuation is a bit strong a word for what this is, but I do enjoy my time with her. If I was infatuated I probably would have given her what she is looking for a long time ago. There is no doubt a strong lust/like element to this whole thing, but she is certainly not irreplaceable.

As an aside Kessler, IMHO and IME romanticizing interactions with dancers is quick way to get into a lot of trouble. Accordingly, words like "infatuation" and "mystique" really don't have a place in my SC vocabulary, so I was not overly worked up or disabused when this last bailout occurred - it will happen.

I haven't been in the club since this happened and I'm on the road this coming week, so we'll see how she plays it. If she is true to form, in another week or so I will receive a text asking how I am doing. I'll just have to take it from there, but at this moment I'm inclined to start shopping for a replacement fav as this thing is indeed more complicated than I prefer, but of course I've also said that before. We shall see.

rickdugan
05-06-2012, 12:36 PM
I haven't been in the club since this happened and I'm on the road this coming week, so we'll see how she plays it. If she is true to form, in another week or so I will receive a text asking how I am doing.

As a quick update, it took a few days longer for her to send the check-in text, but it arrived last night. In our exchange, she even let me know that she was concerned because she had a dream in which something bad had happened to me. I let her know that I was touched that she was dreaming of lil' ol' me. ;)

I still want to go to this club, but I know longer want to see Anne. I haven't really missed her much these past few weeks, though some good alternative clubbing might have had something to do with that - lol. Anyway, I think it is time for me to once again start visiting the club on the night of the week that the Russians don't usually work. There is one gal working there who I think could, with a little development, turn into a promising replacement for Sexy Italian. :)

I have no idea if anyone is still reading this saga other than me, but in any event I will continue to update this thread as events unfold. I started this thread for entertainment purposes and to chronicle the process of actually trying to switch favorites in the same club. I thought that this might be interesting coming from a guy who spends a shitload of time in clubs each year, but had previously never concentrated a great deal of time or spending in any one place. What I did not count on is how much drama I've experienced - lol. I have dealt with jealousy issues of one stripe of another in my road adventures, but this stuff is truly a wonder to witness.

Anyway, I wasn't truly able to make a clean break from SI until she retired. It will be interesting to see if I have any more luck in moving my attentions from Anne to another girl in the same club. I have no doubt that Anne will hear about my visits on the night that she and her friends are off, so we shall see. :-\

Jing-Qi-Shen
05-07-2012, 04:23 PM
I'm reading, keep writing.

rickdugan
05-16-2012, 06:46 AM
LOL, just beware of the fleetingly temporary sort of "retirement" that often happens with dancers! You never know when you may walk in one night and find Sexy Italian sitting next to your next fav...

This was downright prophetic. I was in the club last night and the bartender said to me, "you know, I was just thingking about you earlier." When I asked why, she responded that Sexy Italian was in the club earlier and that she'll be returning to the club starting today.

Oddly, I have missed her and I suspect that I will go in to see her in the next week or so. I am tired of dealing with Anne, but I don't want to create any isuess for SI either, so I'll need to go on the night that the Russians are not working.

This is getting to be something of a soap opera. Too funny.

yoda57us
05-16-2012, 01:32 PM
This was downright prophetic.

Yeah, you can't make this stuff up and, when it comes to SC's you don't have to!

startngate
05-26-2012, 09:43 PM
Have always found it too difficult to switch favs in the same club by trying to transition.

I just make a clean break and take my chances that a replacement will appear. With all the dressing room talk, it usually doesn't take long for someone to present herself. I always take a respctful amount of time to play the field in-between so there is no drama about new fav 'taking me away' from old fav.

It's the same in my regular relationships. The minute I know I have to break up with someone I do. None of this keeping her around until I find someone new.

rickdugan
07-07-2012, 06:11 PM
Sexy Italian is indeed back. I have already visited her and had a wonderful time all around. Anne is great also, but she is just too damned complicated and unreliable.

Funny how the tables have turned. I started this thread when I was trying to make a switch from SI to Anne. Now my problem is that I need to let Anne down as I am once again visiting SI. There is one night per week when the Russians do not work, so that is my obvious go-to night, but I hate being limited to one particular night of the week.

Too funny.

rickdugan
07-10-2012, 07:29 PM
She was back for one night. One lousy night. Just enough for me to get a taste of what I had, including a nice OTC nightcap, and then she disappeared again. It has been 2 weeks now. Fuck.

yoda57us
07-11-2012, 09:09 PM
^ Hate when this happens. A fav is gone long enough for you to finally get her out of your head and move on. Then she returns but just long enough to work her way back into you psyche all over again...grrr...

rickdugan
07-13-2012, 10:39 AM
^Shoot. If I was one to personalize this stuff, I'd wonder if going OTC with me on her first night back reminded her of just why she quit to begin with, LOL.

Kessler
07-19-2012, 02:23 AM
^LOL - I'm sure you were fine. Bet she needed 'x' amount of dollars and made it with you in 1 night. Win/win...except for the whole lingering memory thing...

Kessler
07-22-2012, 05:23 AM
^On a somewhat related topic, my fav seems to be getting unreliable these days. It's not personal at all, but I'm so busy that time is sometimes more valuable than $$ for me. Disappointing, but maybe it's just a phase... only time will tell if this has become the norm, in which case, well... we'll see...

Sloan1212
07-22-2012, 10:40 PM
Rick is still OK? My new fav irritated my old fav so much that my new fav was fired and humiliated via gossip. I was called things that I hope NOBODY believes. I dropped the first one for very good reasons!

JoeUnCool
09-02-2012, 04:25 AM
I was at the PP, talking and sitting with the fave there. I asked her about a second girl who is not in her pack. I've never done that until this night. Holy shit, I never thought she was going to quit bitching. She went from being nice to pissed so fast, i got whiplash. This was just from a question about her, I can't imagine the response I would have gotten if I'd asked more hard hitting questions.

Two girls in one club, not for the faint at heart.