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Almost Jaded
04-19-2011, 08:46 PM
I'm talking about the plain, frumpy girl that makes absolutely no effort to look nice or behave or learn how to be a lady. Those bitches fill up clubs, sit around holding territory over custies who don't want them there, and generally bring the vibe of a club down.

This.

First, as a customer, I FUCKING HATE this. Some guys don't have a clue, or are afraid of being rude - hell, there are threads about it all over here in customer convo. But when I - who tries not to be rude but I DO get my point across as an experienced junkie - can't get a bitch away from my table... I've had to grab managers or floor walkers sometimes! Because after all else failed, apparently "look, we really don't want to buy dances from you or buy drinks for you, maybe you should find a table where you're wanted" didn't get the motherfucking point across! Seriously...

Second - I'm am SICK of hearing stories almost every night about these girls ruining my girls' VIP or dance sales either by not leaving and making guys uncomfortable or by causing a scene for the express purpose of blowing the sale and driving the guys out because they (the fugly dancer) are pissed that the custie wants someone else.

Seriously - a movement needs to be started. All hot dancers refuse to go in for a month or until the waste of space chicks are all fired or something.

Djoser
04-19-2011, 09:13 PM
All hot dancers refuse to go in for a month or until the waste of space chicks are all fired or something.

Holy shit, no, bad idea! Wrong! Shut up!

:rotfl:

But seriously, yeah I have little patience for the nasty ones throwing a shitfit about someone 'stealing' 'their' customer, when I know damned well the guy was probably doing whatever he could to get her the hell away from him.


A stripper doesn't have to be beautiful or in perfect shape to rock it. Makeup and dark club lights can flatter almost anyone. Doing one's hair and wearing an outfit that is suitable for skin tone and physique nice takes some but can be figured out soon enough.

Standing tall and confident with a smile, or at least an air of positivity takes no effort...

When I think of ugly strippers...I don't think of the ones ugly in the face. If those girls hustle hard, have a hot body, and/or do the extras..they are contenders like everyone.

I'm talking about the plain, frumpy girl that makes absolutely no effort to look nice or behave or learn how to be a lady. Those bitches fill up clubs, sit around holding territory over custies who don't want them there, and generally bring the vibe of a club down.


Very true.

Some dancers really know how to use what they have. Some of the hottest-looking ones onstage, you'd never look twice at in the mall or at the grocery store. Or you might even say to yourself 'Nice body, too bad her face isn't up to par.' But I am always glad to see them walk in the door, because they can hold a crowd. And they tend to tip better, too. Not always, but usually.

One thing I have noticed though is that less and less of them are going to the gym, or watching their diet at all. Not even trying to stay in good shape physically. I cannot understand this.


We recently got rid of one dancer who looked like she'd eat your children, I swear. She said she used to be a feature dancer. I wanted to ask her 'On what planet?' Though unfortunately we make all the dancers go up every rotation without exception, we finally got so we wouldn't put her up--she looked that fucking bad.

But they finally got rid of her because she was so fucking aggressive with the guys, even if they said no. There were a lot of complaints about that, she had to go.

kellyallstar
04-21-2011, 12:06 PM
You've clearly never worked with someone whose body odor was so bad you had to make sure not to follow her on stage/go to the bathroom after her/sit in any chairs she's sat in to avoid her smell (which can be scented from 10 feet away some days) rubbing off on YOU. :(

No can't say I have smelt another dancer from 10 feet away unless it was from her perfume, however yeah ive danced with girls who have come off stage come out the back, sat on the chairs and dripped their pussy discharge on the chair. What did we do? Told her "girl you need to do something about that", and yeah from then on we put clean towels down before we sat down.

I was more concerned with the customers drunk, BO and whatever stink that was rubbed off on me. But thank gosh for showers out the back. ;D

tempest666
04-21-2011, 02:39 PM
This.
Seriously - a movement needs to be started. All hot dancers refuse to go in for a month or until the waste of space chicks are all fired or something.


Well I'm the first martyr! I'm here at home :D

ZePeanut
04-21-2011, 02:45 PM
I hope you realize that there is a potential that someone in the the universe could find -you- ugly. Attractiveness is hard to measure.


Not going to the gym/taking care of yourself is lazy, not ugly.

tempest666
04-21-2011, 02:59 PM
I control the universe cause I'm a princess! :D and right now I want the universe to buy me a little black bunny! (and some olive oil cause we ran out and I can't make his lunch for work)

Djoser
04-21-2011, 03:48 PM
I hope you realize that there is a potential that someone in the the universe could find -you- ugly. Attractiveness is hard to measure.


Not going to the gym/taking care of yourself is lazy, not ugly.

Oh I'm under no illusions about that. I do well enough, but there are many women who have other 'types' they like or whatever. No skin off my back. But also...

I'm not going up on a stage and getting naked.


If the male equivalents of the kind of dancers Tempest and AJ and I and others are referring to were to go up in a male review, with their fat rolls, sagging bellies, no muscle tone whatsoever, stringy hair and bad body odor--not even getting into facial features--the fucking women would throw a riot.

;D

Attractiveness in a stripclub is quite easy to measure. If I put some girls up on the stage, and every time they go up, the guys line the rail and throw money at her, she's attractive (whether she's 'my type' or not).

If every single time I put some other girls up onstage, the guys literally run as fast as they can away from the rail, out the doors of the club, complain to the bouncers/managers/owners that we are putting dogs up there, and tell all their friends the same so they stay away or go to other clubs? She's not attractive enough to be stripping.

So what if some rare guys might find her attractive? While I am happy for the guy and the girl both, it's a business based on sexual appeal, not a charity event. It's not the Dr. Phil show, or Oprah Winfrey, it's a stripclub where women are presumably looking good enough to keep customers there, spending money. If she is ruining the business in the club by scaring customers away, killing the mood every single time she goes up, and causing complaints, she should not be stripping.

tempest666
04-21-2011, 04:19 PM
Oh I'm under no illusions about that. I do well enough, but there are many women who have other 'types' they like or whatever. No skin off my back. But also...

.


The whole Egyptology thing gets me hot n bothered }:D

DesuvsDeath
04-21-2011, 07:20 PM
One thing I have noticed though is that less and less of them are going to the gym, or watching their diet at all. Not even trying to stay in good shape physically. I cannot understand this.

Consider how little money some of these girls make, though... I mean, assuming you love some bad foods and don't like working out... would you give up all the foods you loved and bust your ass in the gym for $10 an hour?

ZePeanut
04-21-2011, 07:56 PM
Hahaha. Apparently I am in the wrong business.

Djoser
04-21-2011, 08:01 PM
Consider how little money some of these girls make, though... I mean, assuming you love some bad foods and don't like working out... would you give up all the foods you loved and bust your ass in the gym for $10 an hour?

Maybe I'm the wrong guy to ask, because I love working out. But if it was my job to get naked onstage, I'd be in the gym for two hours a day, 5-6 days a week. For 10$ an hour, yes, absolutely. Of course my goal in doing this would be to improve the 10$ I was making before I started working out, in this hypothetical example. Certainly it is true that every girl I have ever worked with who started working out and got into good shape noticed a dramatic increase in earnings, but this might not always be so true in other areas.

But none of the girls in the clubs I've been working in for the last 5 years who look good and are in good shape are making that small an amount--even with the recession and the Gulf Spill and the gas prices fucking with the Key West stripclub scene.

DesuvsDeath
04-21-2011, 08:08 PM
^That's just what I've observed.
Most of these girls I've seen who eat whatever and don't work out are also low-end earners.
They have this "It's more than I'd make at minimum wage!" attitude... and seem satisfied to settle for 'passable' looks and income.

papillonluvr
04-21-2011, 08:29 PM
Well, we could always start the system where we do the whole Gladiator thing. Thumbs up or Thumbs down lol

But there are ugly strippers thanks to lax hiring practices, and I don't see them going away. Dont get me wrong, I love variety in my dancers, but if you scare guys away,you need to leave. Sorry to be harsh, but this business, like modeling, is basically all about appearence.

tempest666
04-21-2011, 08:45 PM
Well, we could always start the system where we do the whole Gladiator thing. Thumbs up or Thumbs down lol

But there are ugly strippers thanks to lax hiring practices, and I don't see them going away. Dont get me wrong, I love variety in my dancers, but if you scare guys away,you need to leave. Sorry to be harsh, but this business, like modeling, is basically all about appearence.


Or we could just have mandatory paper bags next to the fire extinguishers :D
They can double as barf bags and stuff to put over butterface syndrome cases is the dancer in question has a nice body.

Let's not be too hasty! We need a few scullery maids and bottom dwellers. remember the SC is a fragile ecosystem. If we have too many apex predators, then everything gets thrown off balance. }:D
We need fuglies and fatties but not too many to the extent that they are running amok.

tempest666
04-21-2011, 08:56 PM
In this day in age their is no middle ground..guys either want the chubby little butterball that gives $10 blowjobs or the perfect 10 barbie. That's why I want my fake titties. It won't guarantee my survival but it sure as hell improves my chances as a hot brunette with a shitload of tattoos.

lestat1
04-21-2011, 11:32 PM
I control the universe cause I'm a princess! :D and right now I want the universe to buy me a little black bunny! (and some olive oil cause we ran out and I can't make his lunch for work)

Hide your pets; it's lunch, Fatal Attraction style (with a nice white wine and olive oil sauce to bring out the flavor of the bunny)! :O

tempest666
04-22-2011, 01:16 AM
Hide your pets; it's lunch, Fatal Attraction style (with a nice white wine and olive oil sauce to bring out the flavor of the bunny)! :O

Noooooooo :( I like bunnies for pets! I can't even feed them to my snakes. I feed my burmese python chickens, guinea pigs or grabby Mexicans.

Djoser
04-22-2011, 06:08 AM
^That's just what I've observed.
Most of these girls I've seen who eat whatever and don't work out are also low-end earners.
They have this "It's more than I'd make at minimum wage!" attitude... and seem satisfied to settle for 'passable' looks and income.

Yeah OK I see what you mean. You're right about that.

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04-22-2011, 06:17 AM
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lol .... nuff said?;).........

Djoser
04-22-2011, 07:17 AM
lol .... nuff said?;).........

Oh, I know that. I'm the one that banned him. But occasionally even the geekiest trolls can somehow manage to start an interesting topic, so it's still here.

;)

papillonluvr
04-22-2011, 08:40 AM
lol at grabby mexicans. Maybe I need to get myself a Python... I could be the "girl with the snake" at my club!

Djoser
04-22-2011, 09:19 AM
I worked with a girl who used a snake in her routine once, it was pretty cool.

jack0177057
04-22-2011, 09:45 AM
One time my two friends and I went to a club and had two pretty dancers sitting with us. Suddenly a big girl sits with us uninvited... next to me. She had a nice personality, but none of us (least of all me) were interested in buying a lap dance from her. She just sat there with us all night, while we bought dances from the other girls... AWKWARD.

I have looked in Emily Post's book on Etiquette, but there is nothing written there about how to tactfully handle this situation.

I feel bad for them (overweigh, unattractive dancers), but they should know this - every job requires certain skills, agility, personality, strength, looks and other qualifications. Dancing is no different - your looks are 70%; your naughtiness is 20% and your personality is 10% of the job requirement. (I realize these percentages vary somewhat from customer to customer.)

One time I bought a dance out of pure pity, and instead of being turned on, I was grossed out... Never again.

natilinia rouge
05-03-2011, 03:23 PM
One time my two friends and I went to a club and had two pretty dancers sitting with us. Suddenly a big girl sits with us uninvited... next to me. She had a nice personality, but none of us (least of all me) were interested in buying a lap dance from her. She just sat there with us all night, while we bought dances from the other girls... AWKWARD.

I have looked in Emily Post's book on Etiquette, but there is nothing written there about how to tactfully handle this situation.

I feel bad for them (overweigh, unattractive dancers), but they should know this - every job requires certain skills, agility, personality, strength, looks and other qualifications. Dancing is no different - your looks are 70%; your naughtiness is 20% and your personality is 10% of the job requirement. (I realize these percentages vary somewhat from customer to customer.)

One time I bought a dance out of pure pity, and instead of being turned on, I was grossed out... Never again.







Jack this made me laugh sooo hard by the way lol .................but yea i used to be that newbie who would sit in the corner because i was too scared of rejection from the customers even tho half the time when i did ask them they would be like i have been wanting and waiting for you ask me for a dance lol its not that i was ugly or fat by any means i think im pretty cute not to toot my own horn i just have issues of going up to random people and asking them for a dance i think im just a really shy person lol but i was always nice to custies and never invaded there space haha and clung all over them. i think that was maybe another one of my faults not being too agressive but this topic reminds me of a dancer at the club who looked like a guy and all of the male custies would always say to me is thaty a transvestite and me not being a mean person i would say no that is a woman but i myself wondered too if it was a man or not lol hahaha

Djoser
05-03-2011, 09:50 PM
I have looked in Emily Post's book on Etiquette, but there is nothing written there about how to tactfully handle this situation.

:rotfl:


I feel bad for them (overweigh, unattractive dancers), but they should know this - every job requires certain skills, agility, personality, strength, looks and other qualifications. Dancing is no different - your looks are 70%; your naughtiness is 20% and your personality is 10% of the job requirement. (I realize these percentages vary somewhat from customer to customer.)

One time I bought a dance out of pure pity, and instead of being turned on, I was grossed out... Never again.

Not the dreaded Pity Dance!

:eek:

I agree except the proportions are off for a lot of guys I think. Certainly there are a lot of guys looking for exactly those ratios, but there are also a lot who want more personality (and the dancers with personality will therefore bank off them). Doesn't mean they want a dog with personality, but it's important to them.

I have found that an 8 1/2 with a really cool personality will blow away any 10 without one, hands down.

Almost Jaded
05-03-2011, 11:20 PM
I have found that an 8 1/2 with a really cool personality will blow away any 10 without one, hands down.

EVERY FUCKING TIME.

Just sayin', lol.

Mindy Bares All
05-04-2011, 12:01 AM
EVERY FUCKING TIME.

Just sayin', lol.

And speaking of 8 1/2, that's also really awesome/great movie that everyone should see! ;D

tempest666
05-04-2011, 12:31 AM
If I want a dog with a personality I'll visit my grandma's pug! :D

AriahsPariah
05-04-2011, 01:22 AM
I agree with the OP. Although some here argue that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder," while this holds true, it does not, and should not in the strip club. Strippers are supposed to be a fantasy. Strippers are not supposed to look like the "average girl." She's got to be sexually appealing. I'm a dancer here in Vegas and as some of you know, there are some nights here in smaller clubs where the number of girls working outweigh the number of customers. The whole industry was completely different years ago when this was so. At one point, SC patrons knew the fine line between a stripper and a ho. I understand that there are beautiful girls who are hos and "unattractive" ones who are clean, but in reference to some previous posts on this thread, I'll make the following statements- The clean girls who are considered "fantasy strippers" who spend lots of money on keeping up their appearances, have to compete with the unattractive ones offering extras. They sit on the laps of valuable customers who are capable of spending more money but would take up the offer of getting more for less. This is why the industry has changed- more hired girls=more house fees=more competition=an increase in extras=more customers spending less and settling on the unattractive when they should be spending more on the "fantasies" who know how to hustle big tips without doing any sexual favors.

Djoser
05-04-2011, 01:36 AM
"beauty is in the eye of the beholder,"...not in the strip club.

Exactly.

In a perfect world, maybe. But I wouldn't want to be the DJ.

Almost Jaded
05-04-2011, 01:47 AM
^LMAO

Kellydancer
05-04-2011, 11:38 AM
Oh I'm under no illusions about that. I do well enough, but there are many women who have other 'types' they like or whatever. No skin off my back. But also...

I'm not going up on a stage and getting naked.


If the male equivalents of the kind of dancers Tempest and AJ and I and others are referring to were to go up in a male review, with their fat rolls, sagging bellies, no muscle tone whatsoever, stringy hair and bad body odor--not even getting into facial features--the fucking women would throw a riot.

;D

Attractiveness in a stripclub is quite easy to measure. If I put some girls up on the stage, and every time they go up, the guys line the rail and throw money at her, she's attractive (whether she's 'my type' or not).

If every single time I put some other girls up onstage, the guys literally run as fast as they can away from the rail, out the doors of the club, complain to the bouncers/managers/owners that we are putting dogs up there, and tell all their friends the same so they stay away or go to other clubs? She's not attractive enough to be stripping.

So what if some rare guys might find her attractive? While I am happy for the guy and the girl both, it's a business based on sexual appeal, not a charity event. It's not the Dr. Phil show, or Oprah Winfrey, it's a stripclub where women are presumably looking good enough to keep customers there, spending money. If she is ruining the business in the club by scaring customers away, killing the mood every single time she goes up, and causing complaints, she should not be stripping.

This reminds me of when I ran an agency. I hired both men and women and never once did an unattractive overweight man apply. Oh sure, some guys who weren't super muscular applied but I hired them because they were hot anyway (and side note I love men who have this bodytype and many other women do). All the guys were attractive. When an overweight man applied for a job it was as a bouncer. Not once did a guy applying for a bouncer want to be a dancer.

However, when it came to women I had some really uglies apply. I once had a women obviously stoned and about 50 apply (and looked older) and I had a woman who was 5 feet tall or so, 300+ pounds, no teeth and a crew cut. When I rejected her she used the race card but her race had nothing to do with it since I've hired attractive black women, but she was ugly no matter the race.


Well, we could always start the system where we do the whole Gladiator thing. Thumbs up or Thumbs down lol

But there are ugly strippers thanks to lax hiring practices, and I don't see them going away. Dont get me wrong, I love variety in my dancers, but if you scare guys away,you need to leave. Sorry to be harsh, but this business, like modeling, is basically all about appearence.

True, but unfortunately this has been going on for as long as I've been dancing. I've worked at clubs where managers would hire anything that walked in the door and of course the other dancers suffer because men see the uglies and leave. Several of us complained about this at one club but the manager ignored us and said "more girls means I make more money".

My only fear about this though is something I saw at the high end clubs where they only hired the Barbies. Not all men like this type and many dancers are far prettier than this type. Clubs that hire only a certain type means in some cases very attractive women have to dance at extras ridden clubs.

cherryblossomsinspring
05-04-2011, 11:43 AM
I didn't really read all of this but my answer was : because everyone has to eat.
Someone is obviously paying so I guess it goes back to "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

thelovelylenee
05-04-2011, 12:11 PM
Eh , i work in a dive club but my manager puts it pretty simply , somebody's gotta be on stage while im in the back making money ::)

Almost Jaded
05-04-2011, 12:22 PM
Oh no she di-int! lol

pinups4
05-07-2011, 07:28 AM
Any woman with the confidence to do the job is sexy.

Some aren't my ideal beauty...some are for other men.

The leeches, pity dance girls and bitches of all sizes should go.

Mindy Bares All
05-07-2011, 11:14 PM
^^^^ Well put, my dear. :)

arielbriel
05-08-2011, 04:49 AM
we're not talking about different types of beauty, we're talking about fugly strippers.

yes, someone is paying, but who is he? Oh, he's the guy that writes reviews like this: "walked in, was immediately captured by a chubby 4 with no tits who promised me a bj for $120. i pay, go to the room with her, and she stands 3 feet away from me. only good thing was that she ended it 10 minutes early. what a fucking ROB!"

or at least this:
"(blah blah blah decor blah drinks blah) overall not a bad club, but just one block away is the club Standards which has better eye candy. So I'll most likely be spending my time there."

& that's why you should switch clubs.

tempest666
05-08-2011, 04:58 AM
Why do guys stick their dicks in ugly bitches IRL >:(

Almost Jaded
05-08-2011, 05:04 AM
I thanked Tempest 'cuz I laughed - and then I realized that some of my nearest & dearest would qualify in some cases.

OTC, the "there's someone for everybody" mentality applies in a much different way than ITC.

In the context in which I believe Tempest intended - guys who could have other women fucking fugly chicks simply getting their dicks wet - I have to say I agree, lol. I have a couple of buddies that are like this, and I will simply never understand it.

tempest666
05-08-2011, 05:07 AM
I think an ugly bitch is like a piece of shit car....you don't have to worry about anyone stealing it!

lestat1
05-11-2011, 09:16 AM
Why do guys stick their dicks in ugly bitches IRL >:(

Beggars can't be choosers.

lfr
06-01-2011, 12:12 AM
I feel sorry for this one girl at the place I go to. I think she fits in this category. Most of the time she looks bored and it's a small place, so I'm not sure how cozy she is with the others, but she definitely drives customers away (mostly) and I have to pal up to her and kinda give her hints to be more confident, remind her to hustle the other customers there, etc. Sometimes it works...

She's not ugly, has pretty eyes, but her bod is not up to standards and I think that drives the guys away. Plus her attitude is kinda leechy. I mean, when I'm with my faves, she kinda hangs around us and me the whole time.

camille27
06-01-2011, 08:47 AM
this is like...i am laughing so disgusting loud in starbucks and i am so ashamed.



We recently got rid of one dancer who looked like she'd eat your children, I swear.

RaRa
06-01-2011, 08:03 PM
I suspect you are attributing a cause and effect action as being two things common. Its unlikey that women of particular features would have also the same personality. It's most likely your bad attitude towards those particular ladies which is giving you the bad attitude in response.

tempest666
06-02-2011, 02:34 AM
Just give em all paper bags and it'll be ok!

Almost Jaded
06-02-2011, 04:55 PM
Damn - those'd hafta be some big ass paper bags...

Brigham
06-03-2011, 07:54 PM
Any woman with the confidence to do the job is sexy.

Some aren't my ideal beauty...some are for other men.

The leeches, pity dance girls and bitches of all sizes should go.

I agree one hundred percent.

Kellydancer
06-06-2011, 12:19 PM
At one club they paid some of us because of this. I asked the one manager why he did this and he said to make sure the hot girls stayed. Needless to say the money itself wasn't all that great, they raised house fees (which some of us never had to pay before)and the hot women left, to replaced by skanks. Need I say that the club became extras ridden and was closed? It was torn down to become a library.

Ugly girls also affect hiring other dancers too. I remember I once walked into this one club. It only had three dancers and all of them looked really disgusting. One looked decent in a biker chick way but looked mean and glared at me while the other two just looked ugly and fat, with missing teeth, dirty outfits, etc. The few customers there gave me the creeps too. After checking out the club I realized it gave me the creeps and told the bartender I left my clothes in my car and would be back to audition once I got them. However, instead of going back to the car for my outfits (I always left my outfits in the trunk)I drove away. I drove an hour to find this place, was mad I wasted money on gas, but knew I would be miserable here.

Mindy Bares All
06-07-2011, 12:38 PM
At one club they paid some of us because of this. I asked the one manager why he did this and he said to make sure the hot girls stayed. Needless to say the money itself wasn't all that great, they raised house fees (which some of us never had to pay before)and the hot women left, to replaced by skanks. Need I say that the club became extras ridden and was closed? It was torn down to become a library.

Ugly girls also affect hiring other dancers too. I remember I once walked into this one club. It only had three dancers and all of them looked really disgusting. One looked decent in a biker chick way but looked mean and glared at me while the other two just looked ugly and fat, with missing teeth, dirty outfits, etc. The few customers there gave me the creeps too. After checking out the club I realized it gave me the creeps and told the bartender I left my clothes in my car and would be back to audition once I got them. However, instead of going back to the car for my outfits (I always left my outfits in the trunk)I drove away. I drove an hour to find this place, was mad I wasted money on gas, but knew I would be miserable here.


That's awful. :(