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Djoser
06-09-2011, 12:25 PM
At one club they paid some of us because of this. I asked the one manager why he did this and he said to make sure the hot girls stayed. Needless to say the money itself wasn't all that great, they raised house fees (which some of us never had to pay before)and the hot women left, to replaced by skanks. Need I say that the club became extras ridden and was closed? It was torn down to become a library.
Ugly girls also affect hiring other dancers too. I remember I once walked into this one club. It only had three dancers and all of them looked really disgusting. One looked decent in a biker chick way but looked mean and glared at me while the other two just looked ugly and fat, with missing teeth, dirty outfits, etc. The few customers there gave me the creeps too. After checking out the club I realized it gave me the creeps and told the bartender I left my clothes in my car and would be back to audition once I got them. However, instead of going back to the car for my outfits (I always left my outfits in the trunk)I drove away. I drove an hour to find this place, was mad I wasted money on gas, but knew I would be miserable here.
Hahaha sounds like that last club I worked in in Daytona, on a really, really slow night maybe (3 dancers is pretty fucking bad). Case in point--this is what can happen if your club has no hiring standards. As my manager likes to say when telling the girls who are putting on weight to shape up, 'This is a beauty contest.'
Kellydancer
06-09-2011, 12:36 PM
When I got in there I knew exactly why the manager offered me money to work there. I turned it down because the money wasn't good enough to deal with creepy dancers and obviously not very high class men. Hire anything that walks in the door and you get that.
xGigi
06-09-2011, 12:50 PM
it's not always about looks. guys like personality too. besides, you're not obligated to tip or buy dances from the girls you don't like.
Djoser
06-09-2011, 01:13 PM
I like you a lot and respect your opinion, xGigi. But you have to put yourself in the guys' shoes. There aren't any 400 pound male strippers with love handles, missing teeth, body odor, stringy hair, etc., for a really good reason--they don't belong on a stage.
If there are no hiring standards in a club I work in (like that last club in Daytona for instance), I am then obligated to watch the same customers who had been lining the tiprail for a good looking dancer, leap up and run away when I put up a woman who has no business being on any kind of stage whatsoever. Many of them will run out the door, never to return. Literally.
I am also obligated to hear about all the complaints from customers, asking the bouncers, bartenders, and occasionally the DJs why we have hideous fat pigs, ancient crones, and women who look like fucking men on our stage.
I am also obligated to realize that these guys are then going to tell all their friends that my club has a bunch of fucking dogs, and that they should go down the street to a club that actually hires good looking women to reveal their firm, carefully maintained bodies.
Sorry to be blunt. But this is a business. Unfortunately, some short-sighted owners think only of the extra house fees, and not of the irreparable damage they are doing to drink sales and the reputation of the club.
Kellydancer
06-09-2011, 01:30 PM
The fact is ugly strippers do make it worse for everyone. I mentioned earlier two clubs that went from attractive to ugly and the money suffered. Both clubs closed because of these women.
I once worked a club with two hiring managers. The one manager had standards and would often reject. When I auditioned he told me I needed to get better outfits but he was hiring me to start that Friday (this was on a Tuesday). The girls he hired were at least 7's. The other manager would hire anyone. Fat girls, girls missing teeth, obese, etc. It actually became a status symbol on which one hired you. Eventually the one manager quit and the one with no standards was in charge. So it became ugly dancer laden and the guys stopped coming. It was also near a known hooking area and they started coming in to dance. It closed.
xGigi
06-09-2011, 02:18 PM
I like you a lot and respect your opinion, xGigi. But you have to put yourself in the guys' shoes. There aren't any 400 pound male strippers with love handles, missing teeth, body odor, stringy hair, etc., for a really good reason--they don't belong on a stage.
If there are no hiring standards in a club I work in (like that last club in Daytona for instance), I am then obligated to watch the same customers who had been lining the tiprail for a good looking dancer, leap up and run away when I put up a woman who has no business being on any kind of stage whatsoever. Many of them will run out the door, never to return. Literally.
I am also obligated to hear about all the complaints from customers, asking the bouncers, bartenders, and occasionally the DJs why we have hideous fat pigs, ancient crones, and women who look like fucking men on our stage.
I am also obligated to realize that these guys are then going to tell all their friends that my club has a bunch of fucking dogs, and that they should go down the street to a club that actually hires good looking women to reveal their firm, carefully maintained bodies.
Sorry to be blunt. But this is a business. Unfortunately, some short-sighted owners think only of the extra house fees, and not of the irreparable damage they are doing to drink sales and the reputation of the club.
I see your point.
tempest666
06-09-2011, 03:01 PM
I like you a lot and respect your opinion, xGigi. But you have to put yourself in the guys' shoes. There aren't any 400 pound male strippers with love handles, missing teeth, body odor, stringy hair, etc., for a really good reason--they don't belong on a stage.
If there are no hiring standards in a club I work in (like that last club in Daytona for instance), I am then obligated to watch the same customers who had been lining the tiprail for a good looking dancer, leap up and run away when I put up a woman who has no business being on any kind of stage whatsoever. Many of them will run out the door, never to return. Literally.
I am also obligated to hear about all the complaints from customers, asking the bouncers, bartenders, and occasionally the DJs why we have hideous fat pigs, ancient crones, and women who look like fucking men on our stage.
I am also obligated to realize that these guys are then going to tell all their friends that my club has a bunch of fucking dogs, and that they should go down the street to a club that actually hires good looking women to reveal their firm, carefully maintained bodies.
Sorry to be blunt. But this is a business. Unfortunately, some short-sighted owners think only of the extra house fees, and not of the irreparable damage they are doing to drink sales and the reputation of the club.
I'd like to be where you're at cause all guys want this week is the above mentioned category >:(
Djoser
06-09-2011, 05:36 PM
While I do believe in higher standards in the clubs, it is also true that looks aren't everything.
Some customers want a girl they won't be intimidated by--which for a guy with very low self esteem means a not so good-looking girl maybe. ;D
But overall you have to consider how the women onstage will reflect the quality of your club. And even if you keep the really nasty ones offstage, some of them will annoy the hell out of customers who want nothing to do with them. The baby-eating troll woman finally got fired for that.
tempest666
06-09-2011, 10:57 PM
Tonight the universe was in natural order and balance }:D
bucket
06-11-2011, 01:26 PM
Ugly women make the world go round.
Everything else is ornamentation.
Djoser
06-11-2011, 04:29 PM
Ugly women make the world go round.
Everything else is ornamentation.
That's absurd. People in general make the world go round, including fat ugly men--and the hot women that can have such men groveling within about 30 seconds.
bucket
06-11-2011, 04:44 PM
That's absurd. People in general make the world go round, including fat ugly men--and the hot women that can have such men groveling within about 30 seconds.
LOL. Absurd?
Hot people need to be around other hot people and/or lots of cash. The rest of us will be fine.
I guess I'm a pragmatist. Is that a word?
Whatever........
Djoser
06-11-2011, 08:50 PM
'Pragmatist' is a word, yes. But it doesn't describe you, judging by your last couple posts.
Hot people don't need anything more than ugly people. They don't need any more money than ugly people do--why should they?
Actually they need less, because it's always easier to get that job, get the best table in the fucking restaurant or whatever, have people help you out if you're in trouble, etc., etc.
bucket
06-11-2011, 08:57 PM
'Pragmatist' is a word, yes. But it doesn't describe you, judging by your last couple posts.
Hot people don't need anything more than ugly people. They don't need any more money than ugly people do--why should they?
Actually they need less, because it's always easier to get that job, get the best table in the fucking restaurant or whatever, have people help you out if you're in trouble, etc., etc.
OK, let's get back on topic. Why are there ugly strippers.
I have no clue.
Djoser
06-11-2011, 09:08 PM
I don't think you do have a clue, no.
Yes, please, let's stay on topic.
bucket
06-11-2011, 09:10 PM
I don't think you do have a clue, no.
Yes, please, let's stay on topic.
I'm leaving now.
tillrules
06-12-2011, 02:24 PM
I think it depends on what one describes as "ugly." Is the woman who carries extra weight "ugly"? Or the rail thin woman? Or the woman who is not as skilled in picking outfits or doing makeup? These are the girls that this thread seems to be about. But in all honest, "ugly" is an obviously subjective term.
One element as to why less attractive dancers are around is the element of accessibility. As others have noted, it is harder to approach the more attractive dancers. Even in a SC where the entire concept is that money talks (for lack of a better term), we are still wired to believe that women who are more beautiful are more difficult to approach. A woman who is less than perfect is going to be easier to approach. Moreover, since they are more likely to approach a customer than a model looking woman, who is likely to wait to be approached or not need to solicit at all due to guys approaching her and/or regulars.
Similarly, there is the law of supply and demand. The most beautiful girls are going to be the ones who get the most attention and as such, their time is going to be mostly occupied by regulars and bigger spenders. The average patron is going to find it daunting, if not impossible to believe he can compete in that realm. So when the opportunity to speak to a less attractive girl presents itself, they take advantage.
Finally, one element that has not been touched on is the fact that many (but not all, to be fair) of the more attractive dancers have higher expectations as to what their customers should be spending on them. They expect the customer to pay more for their time since others will do so. I cannot count the number of times I've been hustled aggressively for a dance by a very gorgeous girl and when I told her I didn't want to run right to the VIP/high dollar dances, she got visibly upset (as if I was wasting her time), turned almost cold in her speech and conversation and I ended up with a robotic, half effort dance. This is something that rarely seems to happen with less attractive girls, which is something I think many of us appreciate. It isn't being "dirty" or giving extras, it's a feeling that the money being spent, even if its only for a couple of dances is appreciated.
Almost Jaded
06-13-2011, 01:11 AM
^ Does have a valid point or two in there...
tillrules
06-13-2011, 03:50 PM
^ Does have a valid point or two in there...
Only a point or two? LOL
I would be interested in knowing which points you agreed with. I think this is an interesting topic overall since it seems that "ugly" has been expanded and stretched in the various responses to cover laziness and lack of effort as well as physical appearance.
Djoser
06-13-2011, 04:05 PM
You do have some good points, but nothing will change the fact that having a bunch of substandard strippers in terms of appearance will hurt business. And if you work in a club putting them onstage, it's pretty easy to tell who really shouldn't be up there.
All this sanctimonious horseshit about 'Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder' is useless, when you have a 47 year old woman with a pot belly, stringy hair, bad teeth, and body odor on your stage, and the customers are running out the fucking door, never to return.
Laziness and lack of effort definitely come into play, when one of the most important criteria is muscle tone and overall fitness. I.E. lack of fat, blubber, sag, cottage cheese. The decline in numbers of dancers actually working out regularly to maintain their bodies is appalling. It's maybe 5-10% down here.
tillrules
06-13-2011, 09:14 PM
You do have some good points, but nothing will change the fact that having a bunch of substandard strippers in terms of appearance will hurt business. And if you work in a club putting them onstage, it's pretty easy to tell who really shouldn't be up there.
All this sanctimonious horseshit about 'Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder' is useless, when you have a 47 year old woman with a pot belly, stringy hair, bad teeth, and body odor on your stage, and the customers are running out the fucking door, never to return.
Laziness and lack of effort definitely come into play, when one of the most important criteria is muscle tone and overall fitness. I.E. lack of fat, blubber, sag, cottage cheese. The decline in numbers of dancers actually working out regularly to maintain their bodies is appalling. It's maybe 5-10% down here.
I'm not disagreeing with the concept of a truly repulsive stripper being bad for business. If someone looks like the woman you describe, then I'd agree that they probably should not be stripping.
What I got from some of the conversation was that it wasn't just that type of woman that was being disparaged. It seemed like people were expanding the definition to include any woman who did not literally look like a porn star or model. Or any woman who did not understand make up and costuming the way that the most experienced and skilled dancers do.
Just because a woman doesn't work out regularly to have great muscle tone or carries some weight (even as fat) does not make her repulsive or unsuitable for dancing. Any number of patrons will enjoy a woman with extra weight and will pay to see her dance. Many patrons may prefer a woman like that to a perfect fitness type, especially if the fitness type has small or no breasts. A review of patron review sites like Tuscl or Zbone here in CA will show that many patrons actually do look for bigger girls.
Djoser
06-14-2011, 01:51 AM
I agree 100%
Except we don't expect the perfect pornstar look. We just want reasonably attractive women making a concerted effort to maintain their physical appeal.
bucket
06-14-2011, 08:26 AM
The reason there's so many unattractive strippers and every other kind of stripper is because THERE AREN"T ANY JOBS.
ZePeanut
06-14-2011, 03:28 PM
^Lol=)
ballisticbeauties
06-15-2011, 06:36 PM
I like ugly strippers.... they don't mind that I am ugly!
Brandi_Lynn
06-16-2011, 02:05 AM
There are many reasons for this.
#1 To fill the club quota
#2 Someone's trash is someone else's treasure -Beauty is in the eye of the beholder -etc..
#3 The pretty to beautiful girls are there for the show & basically what a strip club is supposed to be about. Ugly girls are the extras (dirty) girls & many times these girls are usually the ones you see doing extras.
Take your pick, right 8)
Brandi_Lynn
06-16-2011, 02:11 AM
LOL. Absurd?
Hot people need to be around other hot people and/or lots of cash. The rest of us will be fine.
I guess I'm a pragmatist. Is that a word?
Whatever........
Why are you trying to make attractive people sound so shallow -is this just out of pure envy? ::)
Djoser
06-16-2011, 07:03 AM
It's very easy to blame the managers, and often they are at fault for failing to observe the inevitable exodus of customers from the club when certain substandard women go up.
But sometimes the managers are under severe pressure to have a certain number of girls on the lineup (see Brandi_Lynn's cogent point #1 above). Rather than face the dubious wrath of an owner who is giving them contradictory directives ('Why aren't there 60 girls?!' 'Quit hiring sheep, goats and cattle!'), the managers might then simply go with the easy route and keep more dancers on, especially if by choosing this route they also get the all-important house fees.
I used to bash managers mercilessly on SW, but when I came to the Keys I met some who actually had brains and integrity, and learned to be a little more tolerant when I saw what they often have to contend with. It's not an easy job, especially if the manager is actually attempting to do the job well.
rickdugan
06-16-2011, 06:24 PM
#3 The pretty to beautiful girls are there for the show & basically what a strip club is supposed to be about. Ugly girls are the extras (dirty) girls & many times these girls are usually the ones you see doing extras.
You had me right up to this. Now I understand your position on this given where you dance, but many places are not as well moneyed as Chicago, nor are their clubs as tightly policed.
I have done a lot of edgy things with a lot of dancers over the years and I don't mess around with pigs or ugly chicks. In fact, I've had several adventures with girls that could dance anywhere, including one very recently. If a girl is in an area with some number of the following: (1) a lot of dirty clubs; (2) loose enforcement of the laws; (3) a tough local economy; and (4) and a customer base that has come to expect certain things, then she may have a hard time rocking it Chicago-style.
Hell, even in NYC, home of a number of clubs full of very hot dancers, it is not easy to sell a $600-1000 champagne room to a guy who thinks that he is going to walk out with blue balls. With a strong need to sell rooms in order to have a good night, particularly in the face of very high club fees and tipouts, some girls that you would never suspect would need to do so are often giving extras in those rooms.
Now I understand the party line on this, but I always find it too bad that more candid discussions about the realities and challenges that many dancers face relating to so-called 'extras" cannot be had on a stripper support site without flaming and denigration.
Brandi_Lynn
06-16-2011, 07:31 PM
You had me right up to this. Now I understand your position on this given where you dance, but many places are not as well moneyed as Chicago, nor are their clubs as tightly policed.
I have done a lot of edgy things with a lot of dancers over the years and I don't mess around with pigs or ugly chicks. In fact, I've had several adventures with girls that could dance anywhere, including one very recently. If a girl is in an area with some number of the following: (1) a lot of dirty clubs; (2) loose enforcement of the laws; (3) a tough local economy; and (4) and a customer base that has come to expect certain things, then she may have a hard time rocking it Chicago-style.
Hell, even in NYC, home of a number of clubs full of very hot dancers, it is not easy to sell a $600-1000 champagne room to a guy who thinks that he is going to walk out with blue balls. With a strong need to sell rooms in order to have a good night, particularly in the face of very high club fees and tipouts, some girls that you would never suspect would need to do so are often giving extras in those rooms.
Now I understand the party line on this, but I always find it too bad that more candid discussions about the realities and challenges that many dancers face relating to this cannot be had on a stripper support site without flaming and denigration.
I'm not saying that all ugly girls do extras or that there aren't any beautiful girls that don't ever do extras -this statement just shows a general common norm many times.
Chicago is not the only city that I've danced in either -I've danced in New Orleans, Vegas & damn near close to almost every club in Chicago for the last eight & a half years that I've been dancing. So I would like to think that I have a well rounded opinion/experience in this. But I could be off alittle as well. None of what I stated is true black & white fact -just my general experience & past observation.
Chicago is very populated -but our clubs are suffering just as bad as everywhere else. Just because we get more customers in (mainly, just on weekends, though) does not mean that they are actually spending. So many of us do spend a good chunk of our time weeding through the crowd. We have some of the highest house fees out of anywhere that I've worked & w/ our show room dances being only $10 on the main floor it is much easier to sell those than the private dances. It is still easier for a beautiful girl to sell a dance than an ugly girl no matter the cost of the dance (whether it be $10 or $300) -so many times you see the below par girls do more on the floor now even just to be able to sell the dances just so she can cover the outrageous house fee alone. As I mentioned earlier, we just had a meeting where our managers basically said for the girls to "clean up" their dances & every girl knew which girls needed to "clean it up" & it sure wasn't the good looking girls 9 times out of 10.
Don't get me wrong -I'm not hating on their hustle (shoot, they've sure gotta figure out something to work w/). They don't bother me for the most part. But nobody wants a dance from a rottweiler unless they're getting something out of it. Common sense. Besides, if I'm surrounded by rottweilers on the floor, less competition for me. :D
Djoser
06-16-2011, 08:31 PM
...nobody wants a dance from a rottweiler unless they're getting something out of it.
:rotfl:
And it's true--not that I'll ever understand this mentality.
I'd pay them to put their clothes on and get over to the far side of the club, much less get any extras from them.
Brandi_Lynn
06-16-2011, 08:46 PM
:rotfl:
And it's true--not that I'll ever understand this mentality.
I'd pay them to put their clothes on and get over to the far side of the club, much less get any extras from them.
Yup yup.
This reminds me of the time one of my regulars had me do a reverse dance for him just for shits & giggles. Starting out naked & then slowly trying to put my clothes back on all sexy. Hilarious! :P
Kellydancer
06-16-2011, 08:51 PM
Btw, I don't look like a typical porn star and still made a killing. I am brunette, more muscular than the average woman, no plastic surgery, etc. So it's not always about that look. Sure, clubs have rejected me for it, which was wrong but their right. However, I didn't look like trash, didn't have a cellulite roll of fat on my stomach, wasn't missing teeth, brushed my hair, etc.
tillrules
06-16-2011, 09:34 PM
There are many reasons for this.
#3 The pretty to beautiful girls are there for the show & basically what a strip club is supposed to be about. Ugly girls are the extras (dirty) girls & many times these girls are usually the ones you see doing extras.
Take your pick, right 8)
The irony with this statement is that the few times I've been approached for extras it's been a really gorgeous girl who did it. Admittedly, most of the approaches have been at a club known for a lot of extras and having attractive women, but its usually been the hot girls who offered.
Djoser
06-16-2011, 09:56 PM
Go to an upscale club in Houston, Detroit, Miami and a few other cities (I guess LA too), and you can find this, yes. Other cities it's going to be a lot less common. Those clubs don't usually hire dogs, either (though hiring standards have regrettably declined to a large extent across the board nationally in the last 10 years).
Your experience as a customer in one city does nothing to negate the experience of a dancer with several years experience dancing in several cities.
Thus, there really isn't much that is especially ironic in Brandi_Lynn's post. ETA--sorry, you can find it ironic if you want, I understand. It doesn't seem so to me, but that's alright.
rickdugan
06-17-2011, 05:58 AM
I'm not saying that all ugly girls do extras or that there aren't any beautiful girls that don't ever do extras -this statement just shows a general common norm many times...
...Chicago is very populated -but our clubs are suffering just as bad as everywhere else. Just because we get more customers in (mainly, just on weekends, though) does not mean that they are actually spending. So many of us do spend a good chunk of our time weeding through the crowd. We have some of the highest house fees out of anywhere that I've worked & w/ our show room dances being only $10 on the main floor it is much easier to sell those than the private dances. It is still easier for a beautiful girl to sell a dance than an ugly girl no matter the cost of the dance (whether it be $10 or $300) -so many times you see the below par girls do more on the floor now even just to be able to sell the dances just so she can cover the outrageous house fee alone. As I mentioned earlier, we just had a meeting where our managers basically said for the girls to "clean up" their dances & every girl knew which girls needed to "clean it up" & it sure wasn't the good looking girls 9 times out of 10...
Fair enough on many of these points. I don't want to derail the thread into a discussion of who does extras and where they are prevalent, but merely took issue with the perceived notion that only ugly girls did them.
Now I may mildly disagree with the notion that things are as bad in Chicago clubs as they are in other places. I am in 40+ clubs per year spread out all over the country and, IME, there are very few major cities like Chicago in terms of both the small number of clubs near downtown and the relatively controlled environments of these clubs. Now I won't claim to know as much about Chicago clubs as someone working there, but this is simply a summary of my experiences. Now djoser mentioned Houston, Miami and Detroit as examples of places which are indeed notorious for their club activities, but I will also add to the list Providence, Dallas, LA, Atlanta and NYC which, while not as bad as the first three, are places where the competition is tougher and the controls are generally looser (at least in some clubs). As I mentioned before, Boston is the other notable exception IME, with only two downtown clubs and very strict rule enforcement.
But again, this in no way negates your experiences relating to ugly vs. hot women and I very much agree with the notion that ugly girls are often more blatant in what they do. I also agree that there are a lot more of them in the clubs nowadays.
Anyway, just my :twocents:
Djoser
06-17-2011, 10:47 AM
Some dancers are just 'dirty girls'.
That's not a judgment, it's a quote from a dancer who explained to the manager asking why she let some guy finger her, "I'm just a dirty girl, sorry." She was pretty fucking hot, too. We have a new girl who got in trouble in Champagne Room for letting a couple both finger her, and she is pretty hot as well. It does happen.
That's why we have cameras up the ass (no pun intended lol), and we watch them closely all night.
Some of them just don't care. Some of them are so used to it from working Miami clubs that even if they might have cared before, they no longer care. Some of them just seem to like it--especially here in Key West where there are a lot of young well-built military guys.
Still, the fact remains that in general a really hot dancer isn't going to have to promise so much to get a reluctant customer to do a VIP or whatever, as an ugly one.
Kellydancer
06-17-2011, 11:13 AM
Regarding Chicago clubs this is a bit dated but what I experienced. If you go to the downtown Chicago clubs they tend to be stricter on what is allowed. They are also known (or rather were known but this is changing) for only hiring 10's. I got rejected from one of these clubs because I didn't have a boob job for example. Most of the clubs I worked were strictly no touching.
However, the farther you go out the city, the more extra ridden the clubs get. I worked a lot in the inner suburbs which also tended to be somewhat strict as well but also worked in clubs in Northwest Indiana and out in the boonie clubs. Most (not all) of the NW Indiana clubs were famous for either having extras going on in the clubs or that many of the dancers had "take out" so to speak. One of the owners of one of these clubs actually told me that he doesn't care if the girls do extras as long as he gets a kickback. I never worked at this club and met the owner through other business dealings.
Interesting to note that several of the clubs I worked at I never knew dancers were turning tricks until I quit. I suspected a few of them because of the location but never saw it. I was making money at these clubs so I'm not sure why these girls had to turn tricks but yes most of them were butt ugly with homely faces and flabby bodies. The clubs with rampant tricks had many ugly girls and I didn't make that much at some of them because of this. The exception were the clubs that were somewhat strict on extras but had ugly girls. These clubs paid me and some I did decent at. The clubs that were strict I made a killing and they tended to be stricter.
rickdugan
06-17-2011, 11:39 AM
Regarding Chicago clubs this is a bit dated but what I experienced. If you go to the downtown Chicago clubs they tend to be stricter on what is allowed. They are also known (or rather were known but this is changing) for only hiring 10's. I got rejected from one of these clubs because I didn't have a boob job for example. Most of the clubs I worked were strictly no touching.
However, the farther you go out the city, the more extra ridden the clubs get...
IME this is largely still the case, though again my sample set is much more limited than a dancer working in Chicago. Heck, between the alcohol and contact restrictions I find the clubs in the city so boring and uptight that during my last trip to Chicago I didn't even bother going to them, but rather made the treck out to Harvey. However, Harvey and other outer burbs can be a damned long drive, particularly in Chicago traffic.
Kellydancer
06-17-2011, 12:48 PM
I used to live next door to Harvey so for me it wasn't that long. However, most of the clubs there are completely skanky and the women really aren't that attractive for the most part. Most dancers I knew at the time drove over to Hammond Indiana which is about a 10-20 minute ride from Harvey. Plus at least in my case I knew way too many people in Harvey and my luck the club would have been busted while working there.
Brandi_Lynn
06-17-2011, 05:37 PM
Yeah, Harvey is very nasty. Many of the guys that don't like the restrictions of the clubs in the city limits (whether it be alcohol or contact levels) usually will just make the shorter trek to Scores in Stone Park or Polekatz in Bridgeview.
tillrules
06-17-2011, 08:56 PM
Go to an upscale club in Houston, Detroit, Miami and a few other cities (I guess LA too), and you can find this, yes. Other cities it's going to be a lot less common. Those clubs don't usually hire dogs, either (though hiring standards have regrettably declined to a large extent across the board nationally in the last 10 years).
Your experience as a customer in one city does nothing to negate the experience of a dancer with several years experience dancing in several cities.
Thus, there really isn't much that is especially ironic in Brandi_Lynn's post. ETA--sorry, you can find it ironic if you want, I understand. It doesn't seem so to me, but that's alright.
Irony was perhaps the wrong word or maybe I wasn't clear. I wasn't stating that Brandy was wrong or anything. I kind of meant the opposite really, that it was ironic that my limited experience has been completely opposite from what seems to be the norm. I meant no disrespect to her or her point.
I do kind of bristle at the concept that all of the less attractive girls who succeed are extras girls. Like I noted above, although clearly there are a lot of girls who attempt to overcome their lesser looks with more promiscuity, there are also any number of them who use personality or showing appreciation to the customer, even the lesser ones, to make their money.
Djoser
06-17-2011, 10:38 PM
Irony was perhaps the wrong word or maybe I wasn't clear. I wasn't stating that Brandy was wrong or anything. I kind of meant the opposite really, that it was ironic that my limited experience has been completely opposite from what seems to be the norm. I meant no disrespect to her or her point.
I do kind of bristle at the concept that all of the less attractive girls who succeed are extras girls. Like I noted above, although clearly there are a lot of girls who attempt to overcome their lesser looks with more promiscuity, there are also any number of them who use personality or showing appreciation to the customer, even the lesser ones, to make their money.
You're right, a lot of unattractive women do very well by virtue of excellent personality and catering to the customers.
I know you meant no disrespect, and irony wasn't a bad word to use, really. That's why I edited my post above. You sound like a great customer, actually.
rickdugan
06-18-2011, 06:35 AM
I used to live next door to Harvey so for me it wasn't that long. However, most of the clubs there are completely skanky and the women really aren't that attractive for the most part.
Yeah, Harvey is very nasty. Many of the guys that don't like the restrictions of the clubs in the city limits (whether it be alcohol or contact levels) usually will just make the shorter trek to Scores in Stone Park or Polekatz in Bridgeview.
I agree with respect to Skybox and we all know what Arnie's is, but I usually find Club O to be a good spot and I don't really remember the skank/nasty factor being all that high there. Anyway...
Brandi, if you've been dancing for that long, and in that many places, then no doubt that you've learned a lot of things, including how to pick your clubs carefully. I suspect that it is no accident that you are working in the city's only nude club (which often = better money), which also happens to be a juice club (thereby limiting issues relating to alcohol), in an affluent city with a small number of clubs, a large population base with a lot of business travelers to boot, and very tight restrictions on what customers can do. ;)
tillrules
06-18-2011, 01:40 PM
You're right, a lot of unattractive women do very well by virtue of excellent personality and catering to the customers.
I know you meant no disrespect, and irony wasn't a bad word to use, really. That's why I edited my post above. You sound like a great customer, actually.
Too good sometimes, which is why I need to come on here for the occasional reality check to help combat my inner PL. :)
Kellydancer
06-18-2011, 01:48 PM
I agree with respect to Skybox and we all know what Arnie's is, but I usually find Club O to be a good spot and I don't really remember the skank/nasty factor being all that high there. Anyway...
A few years ago when I was considering a return to club dancing I auditioned at Club O. I can't say whether it's skanky or not but I got bad vibes and couldn't wait to get out. One of the dancers kept glaring at me and one of the managers kept telling me the rules of the club. The tip out seemed way too high for that area which sent me bad vibes. I ended up deciding not to dance there and that was the last time I auditioned at a club again.
I do have a funny story about Skybox. I have this very devout Christian friend who saw a sign that said "steak dinner". Without knowing what kind of club it is he walked in looking for steak. I doubt he stayed but he didn't know what club it was and he felt stupid. Normally I would think a guy was bluffing but he was very sexually modest (he was a virgin at 33).