View Full Version : Will you only bother with girls who will meet up OTC??
JoeUnCool
06-17-2011, 07:15 AM
Les, there's not really any value that is presented in this situation. My experience has not been at all like what Rick thinks it is. Whenever money is presented to one dancer, the mouth will run, and then they will all want something. I've never NOT seen this happen. It happens ITC and OTC. It happens at highend clubs, lowend truck stop type of clubs, and everyplace in between. Clubs are fantasy land, they aren't real, you have to know and understand the relationship.
The better suggestion is what Yoda says, minus the buying her clothes part. :D
JoeUnCool
06-17-2011, 08:01 AM
I don't really know how this, OTC stuff works yet as I'm new to it as well, but that seems, well..a 'bit' cheap, I would think, even if the place you work is a dive or something.
When you figure it out, let us know.
You basically have several types of OTC girls:
1. A girl that you meet up with outside the club, she shows up, does her thing with you, you pay her, and she leaves. You can have an enjoyable time with this girl. These are the type that Yoda seems to hangout with, however, I've never met one of these in the wild.
2. A girl that you meet up with outside the club, she shows up, complains, whines, and tries to get you to give her more money, calls you all the time trying to extract more money, and is just generally a psychopath that will drag you into their world. This is what I got wrapped up with once, definitely no fun. Given the number of phone calls I get crying for money, I think the otc herd is typically in this area.
3. A girl that is just someone that you end up hanging out with. I've known several where we were just buddies otc, no sex or anything, just friends. I tend to think that most dancers are in the normal area. Breaking down the barrier to where they would trust you is a different thing.
I'm sure that there are other types, but I've not met them.
yoda57us
06-17-2011, 10:28 AM
When you figure it out, let us know.
You basically have several types of OTC girls:
1. A girl that you meet up with outside the club, she shows up, does her thing with you, you pay her, and she leaves. You can have an enjoyable time with this girl. These are the type that Yoda seems to hangout with, however, I've never met one of these in the wild.
Um, not really. I did write a TR about an escort that I see regularly who happens to dance once in a while. We have a little "yoda gets lucky at the strip club" fantasy that we play out once in a while when she is working in a club. Since I was writing a TR it may appear that this particular gal is an OTC dancer but in reality she never looks for escorting business at the club. Too much gossip and there is no way to pre-screen the guys...
I don't generally set up OTC with dancers. That's Rick's thing and he's good at it. I don't have the patience or the game. I am single now so I do date dancers (something I never did when I was married) and sex does happen but I don't pay them.
I'm sure that there are other types, but I've not met them.
I reject the notion of "types" to begin with. There is more to people than the box you try to put them in. I've had a lot of fun with dancers by thinking outside of the box...
JoeUnCool
06-17-2011, 10:53 AM
Um, not really. I did write a TR about an escort that I see regularly who happens to dance once in a while. We have a little "yoda gets lucky at the strip club" fantasy that we play out once in a while when she is working in a club. Since I was writing a TR it may appear that this particular gal is an OTC dancer but in reality she never looks for escorting business at the club. Too much gossip and there is no way to pre-screen the guys...
I don't generally set up OTC with dancers. That's Rick's thing and he's good at it. I don't have the patience or the game. I am single now so I do date dancers (something I never did when I was married) and sex does happen but I don't pay them.
I get confused on who is doing what. My point was that you tend to talk about all of the fun you have. That's all that I mean by that.
I reject the notion of "types" to begin with. There is more to people than the box you try to put them in. I've had a lot of fun with dancers by thinking outside of the box...
I'm not trying to put anyone into a box of commonality at all. The one thing that I will state, is that people do tend to fall into generalities. However, one must remember that because a person falls into generalities, not everyone falls into every sub item within that generality. Not all Republicans are white conservatives. Not all Democrats are tax and spend. Not every dancer in a club is a hooker.
rickdugan
06-17-2011, 12:32 PM
When you figure it out, let us know.
You basically have several types of OTC girls:
1. A girl that you meet up with outside the club, she shows up, does her thing with you, you pay her, and she leaves. You can have an enjoyable time with this girl. These are the type that Yoda seems to hangout with, however, I've never met one of these in the wild.
2. A girl that you meet up with outside the club, she shows up, complains, whines, and tries to get you to give her more money, calls you all the time trying to extract more money, and is just generally a psychopath that will drag you into their world. This is what I got wrapped up with once, definitely no fun. Given the number of phone calls I get crying for money, I think the otc herd is typically in this area.
3. A girl that is just someone that you end up hanging out with. I've known several where we were just buddies otc, no sex or anything, just friends. I tend to think that most dancers are in the normal area. Breaking down the barrier to where they would trust you is a different thing.
In response to:
1. As yoda said, you have him confused with me. And these animals are all over the place - one must simply know how to find their natural habitats and understand how to best approach them.
2. Never really had to worry about this as I don't go into the clubs looking for romance or long lasting personal friendships, nor do I allow myself to get caught up in a dancer's drama.
3. We've seen this one before. So you never answered my question the last time you talked about all of the wonderful friends you met in the clubs: Gone to any of their kids' Christenings recently? Any barbecues planned with these good friends? ;)
...My experience has not been at all like what Rick thinks it is...
Huh? :O
rickdugan
06-17-2011, 12:44 PM
Not every dancer in a club is a hooker.
Did anyone say otherwise?
I don't generally set up OTC with dancers. That's Rick's thing and he's good at it.
Not sure about how good one has to be, but sometimes a little finesse helps.
In fact, this reminds me that I need to do a TR for a club visit/OTC encounter I had this past week with a ridiculously beautiful, young girl with a body that was dead center in my perfection zone. I'm still not sure how I pulled it off - she was so timid and uncertain about how things would work at the hotel that I'm convinced that OTC was not her normal gig. Yet another fun adventure compliments of the great clubs down south. ;D
j9schmetterling
06-17-2011, 02:07 PM
I don't really know how this, OTC stuff works yet as I'm new to it as well, but that seems, well..a 'bit' cheap, I would think, even if the place you work is a dive or something.
Seems a little "cheap" to me too. I'm not an effing Tijuana prostitute with half my teeth. I'm fancy. Really.
For the record, once in my life I slept with a guy for money. It feels like a long time ago, and was long before my dancing days. I was 20 years old and desperately needed $$$ For straight up vanilla regular stuff he paid me a few times more than $150. And he wasn't smelly, creepy, or grabby like the guy who offered me $150. It really depends on the guy--a definite thought worth noting, imo.
yoda57us
06-17-2011, 06:24 PM
I get confused on who is doing what. My point was that you tend to talk about all of the fun you have. That's all that I mean by that.
If you can't keep track than it's probably better if you don't try to attribute any behaviors to specific folks posting here. I don't take offense at the idea of paying a stripper for OTC but it's simply not what I do and I've spent quite a few years saying that it's not what I do.
I'm not trying to put anyone into a box of commonality at all. The one thing that I will state, is that people do tend to fall into generalities. However, one must remember that because a person falls into generalities, not everyone falls into every sub item within that generality. Not all Republicans are white conservatives. Not all Democrats are tax and spend. Not every dancer in a club is a hooker.
OK, you are way over-thinking the process of carrying on a conversation with another person. When I'm talking to face to face to a dancer in a strip club the only assumption that I am making is that she is a dancer in a strip club. I'm not spending one nano-second trying to figure out what "type" she is.
When you figure it out, let us know.
You basically have several types of OTC girls:
okay. thanks.
I've had a lot of fun with dancers by thinking outside of the box...
this could be taken in a few ways. ;)
Seems a little "cheap" to me too.
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For the record
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It really depends on the guy--a definite thought worth noting, imo.
Yeah. And thanks for the honesty. No judgement here. :)
When I'm talking to face to face to a dancer in a strip club the only assumption that I am making is that she is a dancer in a strip club. I'm not spending one nano-second trying to figure out what "type" she is.Yeah, so you basically treat her like a person, and have a real convo with her, I gather. :) I tend to be that way too, but I think I may have to start laying off reading all the things here on SW, cause sometimes the things I read mess with my head and kinda enter at times. :-[
yoda57us
06-18-2011, 02:17 AM
this could be taken in a few ways.
Why yes, yes it could....;)
Yeah, so you basically treat her like a person, and have a real convo with her, I gather. I tend to be that way too, but I think I may have to start laying off reading all the things here on SW, cause sometimes the things I read mess with my head and kinda enter at times.
Reading too much of what the ladies post here in on the pink side can be a bit daunting. This is not TUSCL or SCL. Stripper Web is primarily a dancer support site. The ladies come here to talk about the job, how to do it better, how to deal with customers and how to integrate dancing and their personal lives. Think of it as locker room talk. Just remember it's their job. To assume that women enjoy dancing naked and rubbing on total strangers is a bit of a stretch to begin with...
If the lady is good at her job the last thing you will be thinking about while she is dancing for you is what she may be saying later in the locker room.
lestat1
06-18-2011, 11:35 PM
LOL. Lestat, you are a cynic. What he gets is the pleasure of her company! During his time with her, he will enjoy lively and topical discussions, interspersed with squeals of enjoyment, touches on the arm or neck and "heartfelt" thank yous at each cashier stop. And of course, since he is now in her inner circle, she will doubtlessly share more personal details about her life, along with more insight into the "inner workings" of her club.
Thus far I have never had the pleasure of taking a dancer on a shopping trip, but hopefully I will one day find that special lady with whom I can share such high quality time. In the meantime, I guess I'll just have to settle for tawdry sex in my hotel rooms.
It's the new math: Undulating Boobies + Gullible RIL w/ money = Shopping trip.
Yes, you buy her outfits then you get to go home and masturbate...alone.
Ah, ok then. It's as awful as I thought then. :O
Wait, does this mean I'm no longer the biggest PL alive? :)
JoeUnCool
06-19-2011, 06:00 AM
Wait, does this mean I'm no longer the biggest PL alive? :)
Nah, It just means we all need to be careful. I know of people that have done far worse than any of us, they just don't come on an internet forum and share their problems. :D
Reading too much of what the ladies post here in on the pink side can be a bit daunting.
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Stripper Web is primarily a dancer support site.
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Think of it as locker room talk. Just remember it's their job. To assume that women enjoy dancing naked and rubbing on total strangers is a bit of a stretch to begin with...
If the lady is good at her job the last thing you will be thinking about while she is dancing for you is what she may be saying later in the locker room.
True, true. All very good points y57us, thanks. :)
there's some girl anxiety that pops up, but also, just generally thinking about this place too ya know, like something happens (good and/or bad) and like maybe the third or fourth thought in my mind is like, 'man, I gotta post this on SW!' ;D
james1557
06-25-2011, 09:17 AM
I don't go expecting to see a girl OTC. Indeed here in England, in my experience, it is very rare that a girl will even discuss the possibility of meeting OTC. And some who will talk about it do so simply to get you to spend more on them ITC. Club managements usually say that they will sack girls who meet customers OTC (though I don't know if they really do).
I have for some time had a fantasy that I would like to go home with a girl whom I had met in a strip club. But I had pretty much given up the idea that it would ever happen. Even escorts who advertise that they are also lapdancers will not agree to set up a role play on these lines.
Then, when I was least expecting it, my fantasy came true this week. I was at a smallish club in London early in the week which I had only visited once before a couple of years ago. I decided to give it a try again especially since none of the girls at a nearby club appealed enough even to ask for a private dance. Anyway it was very quiet - at least twice as many dancers as customers. And, unlike my previous visit, there was a good mix of girls. Three girls were hustling me but the one who was least insistent was a black girl with fantastic long legs. To cut a long story short I had two excellent private dances with her - to the irritation of the other two hustlers!
After the second private dance we were sitting finishing our drinks and chatting when it became clear that it was so quiet that the club would be closing early. I cannot remember exactly how we got round to it, but I must have said that it was a pity the evening was ending and the girl made it clear that it did not have to end. 20 minutes later we were in a taxi on the way back to the flat where I was staying. I have her number and hope to see her again OTC.
slowpoke
06-28-2011, 09:31 AM
If you find a hot girl and are having a good time, will you stop spending as soon as you know she wont meet up OTC??
What is the difference between "meet" and "meet up"? I have been wondering this for a long time.
JoeUnCool
06-28-2011, 06:48 PM
In response to:
1. As yoda said, you have him confused with me. And these animals are all over the place - one must simply know how to find their natural habitats and understand how to best approach them.
I get confused in my old age, or maybe its obesity.
In response to:
2. Never really had to worry about this as I don't go into the clubs looking for romance or long lasting personal friendships, nor do I allow myself to get caught up in a dancer's drama.
Yes, words to live by.
In response to:
3. We've seen this one before. So you never answered my question the last time you talked about all of the wonderful friends you met in the clubs: Gone to any of their kids' Christenings recently? Any barbecues planned with these good friends? ;)
Nah. I've actually been rather slack and not been a good friend keeping up with people I do know.
KeithDoxen
09-10-2011, 02:14 PM
To bring this thread back and answer the OP's question, I don't think that most men go to the club expecting OTC. I think that most men would be open to OTC if things moved in that direction, but most of us probably assume our chances of OTC are very slim. And if we're talking about genuine, hey-she-likes-me OTC without any money being involved, then those chances go down to near zero for most SC customers. And we customers know that, so I don't think that you have to worry about most men closing their wallets because you refuse OTC. More likely a guy will be pleasantly shocked if you agreed to OTC.
The issue of how to handle a guy pushing for OTC is tricky though. You don't want to come off as a bitch, or he might stop spending, not because you refused him, but because he now sees you as bitchy. But if you lead him on, he might be turned off by that too, especially if it's obvious. Some girls are horrible hustlers, and any lie they tell is going to be transparent. Honestly, I think one of the better answers a girl can give to a guy who wants to take her to the family picnic is, "Sweetie, we just met. Let's talk about stuff like that once you've visited me a few times and we've gotten to know each other." That makes sense, and guys tend to be logical and like explanations that make sense. It also takes a lot of pressure off of you, as you're under no obligation to decide that you someday "like" this guy just because he comes back for you 6 more times hoping to eventually get your number. And quite honestly, unless this guy is a major PL, he's not going to obsess over you. He'll probably come to his senses over coffee the next morning anyway. Odds are you'll never have to have the conversation where you tell him that you aren't going to go out with him. If he is a PL and keeps coming back and trying to woo you, eventually you'll have to pull out a fake boyfriend that you just started seeing or something. But the point is that MOST guys who ask for OTC are just asking in the heat of the moment or just giving it the old college try and if you let them down easy it won't be a big deal.
slowpoke
09-10-2011, 02:18 PM
What is the difference between "meeting" and "meeting UP"?
kaiarose
09-10-2011, 02:26 PM
^ Meeting up= extras after work..
Meeting= breakfast after work/ date in the future
I don't do either. Are you going to keep spending after I say no?? That was mainly what I wanted to know..
ChrisDay
09-10-2011, 03:04 PM
^ Meeting up= extras after work..
Meeting= breakfast after work/ date in the future
I don't do either. Are you going to keep spending after I say no?? That was mainly what I wanted to know..
Its funny, if I want to even think about OTC...I only ask when I'm ready to leave. If she(you) says 'no', I'll leave. If you say 'yes', I'll get your number and leave anyway. If a few hours later I'm still interested we can pursue it, but in the few OTC encounters, I haven't been motivated to pursue.
slowpoke
09-10-2011, 03:23 PM
^ Meeting up= extras after work..
Meeting= breakfast after work/ date in the future
I don't do either. Are you going to keep spending after I say no?? That was mainly what I wanted to know..
Ahh,, so the addition of the term "up" implies sex. I had been wondering about that. Thanks!
iDontGoPrivate
10-30-2011, 12:17 PM
Are you going to keep spending after I say no?? That was mainly what I wanted to know..
If I am the one who puts OTC on the table, and then rejected, I would still come and spend at least once; if I feel some extra distance between us, I wouldn't continue to spend. :-[
I have seen so many of you Blues talking about meeting up OTC. Now, do you go to a SC specifically looking for that?? If you find a hot girl and are having a good time, will you stop spending as soon as you know she wont meet up OTC??
Heck no. If there's fun in the club that's why I'm there.
james1557
11-25-2011, 11:54 AM
No - I am not mainly looking for an OTC encounter. But I am looking for raunchy talk and raunchy dancing. If it becomes clear that this would also be available OTC, then I am interested.
Entchil58
12-05-2011, 01:39 PM
You guys are truly on a different playing field than I. I have so much information on here to absorb and so little time.
But to answer the OP. I do not go to the SC with OTC in mind, well because I never had it happen to me. Maybe it is because I am young and labeled poor but regardless it is in mind but I haven't brought it up. But if I did and she/he said no. I wouldnt be to bummed about it. I would just say ok and still enjoy our time together.
LittleSnuglet
12-05-2011, 03:48 PM
Once a dancer I was unfamiliar with ask me "Would you like to take me home tonight?" I declined because I didn't know her.
My answer is "No" because I don't patronize clubs with the intent of meeting a dancer OTC. However I am open to the idea if I've known her for a few months.
jbviper4
12-19-2011, 07:57 AM
OTC messed up my ITC fun with one of my faves. I am a regular (PL?) at a small, dive club and have been invited for OTC activities by almost every dancer in the place. I declined for months until my little head overtook me one night and I wound up giving one of my faves a ride home. She made it clear that there was P4P in play and that kinda killed the fantasy for me. I dropped her off without playing, and now I notice that's her SOP...get them OTC and bank.
I visit clubs to relax, enjoy the temporary company of beautiful women who would otherwise ignore me and go home. Seems to me to be the healthiest way to approach the SC game.
Doc Holliday
12-22-2011, 02:39 AM
if any content is published here, you need the permission of both the author and the publisher (the owner of this site) to use it elsewhere. . . . . .
lopaw
12-22-2011, 11:06 PM
1 dancer I repeatedly bugged for a date. I realize now how gay that was.
Unless you're gay, you don't realize how offensive this annoying-as-fuck expression is. Please be considerate and don't use it here. Thanks.
Doc Holliday
12-23-2011, 01:01 AM
if any content is published here, you need the permission of both the author and the publisher (the owner of this site) to use it elsewhere. . . . . .
lopaw
12-23-2011, 07:47 PM
No, I understand. I have a difficult history with the word and it once was hurtful, now it's meaningless. So I choose to use it to make it further meaningless. Although there was a time when I proudly accepted the term. It's a long story I can PM you if you want to hear it. But if it offends you, I will not use it around you.
Thanks, Doc. :)
The word "gay" itself is not offensive to me at all....it's negative only when it is used in a derogatory manner. And I do realize that most straight people using it in that demeaning expression really mean no harm. Most don't realize the stigma of it until it's brought to their attention by a gay person - then they usually apologize profusely (and hopefully will try to make it up to me by buying me a drink! :drunk:)
CCRiderM
12-24-2011, 06:44 AM
Thanks, Doc. :)
The word "gay" itself is not offensive to me at all....it's negative only when it is used in a derogatory manner. And I do realize that most straight people using it in that demeaning expression really mean no harm. Most don't realize the stigma of it until it's brought to their attention by a gay person - then they usually apologize profusely (and hopefully will try to make it up to me by buying me a drink! :drunk:)
I think he should buy you a VIP at your favorite club. }:D
yoda57us
12-24-2011, 08:02 PM
No, I understand. I have a difficult history with the word and it once was hurtful, now it's meaningless. So I choose to use it to make it further meaningless.
Words don't work that way Doc. If you want to communicate with the rest of the world without offending folks you need to be aware of what is offensive to others. What the word may or may not mean to you is not as important as what it means to those you are trying to communicate effectively and, yes, politely with.
lopaw
12-26-2011, 09:13 PM
I think he should buy you a VIP at your favorite club. }:D
I like the way you think! ;)
Dddallas
03-02-2012, 05:58 PM
My situation is a bit different. I've never sought out P4P. Been offered it on occasion though. For me, ITC stuff gets very old very fast. If the only interaction I can have with a girl is the interaction in the club that I pay through the nose for, that plug gets pulled quickly. Non P4P OTC will give ITC a longer lifespan but the minute I feel like I am nothing but an ATM, I'm done.
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Seriously I don't get this. Every guy in the club/out the club 100% of the time is nothing but an ATM. This is our job, trust me I'd rather be home with my husband or driving my Benz that you all bought me 8)
rickdugan
03-03-2012, 06:49 AM
Seriously I don't get this. Every guy in the club/out the club 100% of the time is nothing but an ATM. This is our job, trust me I'd rather be home with my husband or driving my Benz that you all bought me 8)
D, I for one always welcome pink participation in blue, but please remember where you are. We are not under the same obligation to coddle you down here. If you post comments here in the basement that blues might find to be offensive, you will catch heat for it.
For example, while I would generally not comment on that silly remark in pink, down here in blue I will respond by saying that I usually see your type coming a mile away and that you come across as one of those very brittle and replaceable dancers that I usually send away before she can get "dance" out right after "wanna."
Thanks again for visiting!
bem401
03-03-2012, 07:44 AM
Seriously I don't get this. Every guy in the club/out the club 100% of the time is nothing but an ATM. This is our job, trust me I'd rather be home with my husband or driving my Benz that you all bought me 8)
Maybe that's the way you treat them, but that's not universal. Using your logic,your husband must be the biggest ATM of the bunch then. What a lucky guy.
JayATee
03-03-2012, 07:48 AM
If a girl is taking $500+ off of me on a given night, she is collecting a chunk of that at my hotel.
Based on this statement I have another question... does OTC automatically equal sex? I'm just curious. I can never tell.
rickdugan
03-03-2012, 08:02 AM
Based on this statement I have another question... does OTC automatically equal sex? I'm just curious. I can never tell.
Usually yes. Now every once in a while you will see someone around here use it more broadly when talking about taking a girl out to dinner or an event, but if you see a standalone comment to the effect of "I took her OTC" it most often refers to p4p sex.
Dddallas
03-04-2012, 05:53 AM
D, I for one always welcome pink participation in blue, but please remember where you are. We are not under the same obligation to coddle you down here. If you post comments here in the basement that blues might find to be offensive, you will catch heat for it.
For example, while I would generally not comment on that silly remark in pink, down here in blue I will respond by saying that I usually see your type coming a mile away and that you come across as one of those very brittle and replaceable dancers that I usually send away before she can get "dance" out right after "wanna."
Thanks again for visiting! just my opinion. To be honest you prob couldn't see it coming, I'm that good lol :). My reg tonight goes "why are you always so gracious?! Not very stripper of you". Thought that was ironic
Dddallas
03-04-2012, 05:54 AM
Maybe that's the way you treat them, but that's not universal. Using your logic,your husband must be the biggest ATM of the bunch then. What a lucky guy.
Nope disabled army vet ( ie poor ) thank you very much
CCRiderM
03-04-2012, 08:33 AM
D, I for one always welcome pink participation in blue, but please remember where you are. We are not under the same obligation to coddle you down here. If you post comments here in the basement that blues might find to be offensive, you will catch heat for it.
For example, while I would generally not comment on that silly remark in pink, down here in blue I will respond by saying that I usually see your type coming a mile away and that you come across as one of those very brittle and replaceable dancers that I usually send away before she can get "dance" out right after "wanna."
Thanks again for visiting!
I agree Rick, but the other side of the option is don't feed the trolls and this one is truly a troll.
Dddallas
03-04-2012, 08:17 PM
Speak my mind= troll? I didn't become a stripper to NOT be this way
rickdugan
03-04-2012, 08:57 PM
just my opinion. To be honest you prob couldn't see it coming, I'm that good lol :). My reg tonight goes "why are you always so gracious?! Not very stripper of you". Thought that was ironic
LOL. I like the story and your confidence. You may indeed be that good, but so am I. :) I've been frequenting clubs for a long time and can usually slice and dice the personality I'm dealing with in < 5 minutes.
yoda57us
03-04-2012, 10:52 PM
Based on this statement I have another question... does OTC automatically equal sex? I'm just curious. I can never tell.
I have to agree with rick. The term "OTC" has become diluted through misuse but, to me at least, it means P4P sex, outside of the club, with a dancer. I had dinner tonight with a dancer friend of mine. I didn't pay her and we didn't have sex. In posting about it I would not refer to it as "OTC". It was dinner with a friend who happens to be a dancer.
Swagz
03-04-2012, 11:14 PM
I'd say about 2/3 of the guys that go to VIP with me (especially solo business travellers) inevitably tell me that they want me to come back to their hotel afterward. I never lie so I tell them that's not my thing, and imply they should look elsewhere for that (TJ/escort service). When they're not annoying and pushy about it they're very polite after being turned down but I have to say it feels like the dances lose their zeal as well.
Do most of you guys make it clear that you want to do that BEFORE starting dances? Or in the middle? Or afterward, during goodbyes?
james1557
03-05-2012, 05:27 AM
Sometimes it is the girl that suggests meeting OTC. I can usually tell whether this is simply leading me on or is a serious offer. If it is a serious offer I will sometimes take it up and sometime not - for all sorts of reasons - including how appealing the girl is and how tired I am.
I don't think that I have ever raised OTC until I have had enough dances and am ready to leave. So my answer to Swagz is 'afterward' or even 'during goodbyes'.
rickdugan
03-05-2012, 06:03 AM
I'd say about 2/3 of the guys that go to VIP with me (especially solo business travellers) inevitably tell me that they want me to come back to their hotel afterward. I never lie so I tell them that's not my thing, and imply they should look elsewhere for that (TJ/escort service). When they're not annoying and pushy about it they're very polite after being turned down but I have to say it feels like the dances lose their zeal as well.
A guy loses his zeal because he took his shot and guessed wrong. What compounds the problem is that the guy usually only has one bite at the apple in a particular club. Girls talk and once you disengage from her after an unsuccessful OTC pitch, it is very possible that she'll be telling others that you tried to proposition her. At that point, even some of the girls who WOULD have been open to it will avoid him for fear of the association
It never ceases to amaze me how hamfisted some guys are in doing this. I tend to be discreet and I try to pick my spots carefully. If I'm not feeling the right vibe then I don't make the pitch. I also apply some filtering into the mix and the types of girls that I generally never pitch include married dancers, ones with day jobs and those who only dance part-time (such as students and some others), among others, as they are usually very bad targets.
Do most of you guys make it clear that you want to do that BEFORE starting dances? Or in the middle? Or afterward, during goodbyes?
For me, when it does happen, it is it usually within the first half hour of meeting her. Now I am not much of a LD/VIP guy, so most often it is negotiated at the bar after she been sitting with me for a while. But again, if I did a good job filtering, I probably would not have pitched you at all. I would have eventually thanked you for coming by, with a warm smile and a decent tip as a show of appreciation, and you would have walked away with absolutely no clue that I was even looking for that sort of thing.
yoda57us
03-05-2012, 08:36 AM
I'd say about 2/3 of the guys that go to VIP with me (especially solo business travellers) inevitably tell me that they want me to come back to their hotel afterward. I never lie so I tell them that's not my thing, and imply they should look elsewhere for that (TJ/escort service). When they're not annoying and pushy about it they're very polite after being turned down but I have to say it feels like the dances lose their zeal as well.
Do most of you guys make it clear that you want to do that BEFORE starting dances? Or in the middle? Or afterward, during goodbyes?
I've had OTC adventures a few times but it's always been at the suggestion of the lady. I never ask. FWIW, the dancer that I was with last night was sitting with me because I don't hit on her at work. She could have been in a hotel in Providence somewhere having sex for money with the guy who asked her for OTC on Saturday night...
Over the ten or so years that I've known this gal we've actually had quite a few conversations about the guys who crash and burn trying to get her OTC. Once a guy does that he' in a different category than the guys who spend on her and don't bug her for sex. She won't totally ignore the guys who hit on her when they show up at the club but, unless they demonstrate that they are going to spend stupid amounts of money on her, she definitely puts them on the back burner. Why? Because most guys don't stop asking after they get turned down the first time and also because the "I want to date you" guys are quite often young, broke, and not very big spenders.
Also, rick is absolutely right. The guys who are looking for dates are well known to most of the girls in the club. It doesn't take long for the "time waster" label to spread.
Swagz
03-05-2012, 11:14 AM
Thanks for the insight, guys! I wish more people would at least follow the "no wives/students/other employees" rule. Because really, these girls are the most concerned with discretion anyway. Even if I did want to accept an offer like that, I still wouldn't because of the potential social stigma. I think the girls most receptive to those offers are the career strippers but even then, I feel like they would probably make it known that they would be open for that kind of arrangement.