View Full Version : Lady Gaga's 'War on Easter'
ArmySGT.
04-08-2012, 08:20 PM
If your an organization that wants help women have control over their own bodies, rather than letting the church have control over them, you're putting yourself at risk
Did a Church or Christian Sect claim responsibility? If not how is this the Churches fault?
I mean we can blame Islam for the Death of Van Gogh (descendant not the actual painter), we can blame Islam too for the shooter in France?
Those are acts by individuals and one could argue for insanity. I am stating that that is the penalty imposed by a NATION STATE for an offense against a religion.
Let's stick to the big groups because anyone can cherry pick events caused by a loon with a disorder.
Kellydancer
04-08-2012, 08:21 PM
Going to have to disagree with you on this one. The penalty for preaching Christianity in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, Oman, Somalia, and quite a few Muslim countries is death. The penalty for doing so in the US, UK, France, Germany, Canada and those are proclaimed as the West is at worst to be laughed at by Atheists.
You can get away with a lot in Christian countries as evidenced by the "Shut up Jesus" cartoons. Do that with Mohammed and half of Europe is on fire.
Yep. I'm no fan of conservative fundamentalist Christians but to me they are doing the same thing the left does and that is to impose their views. Both sides do this yet only the rightwingers get attacked. Why not attack the leftwingers who want people to pay for welfare for illegals and abortions (not saying I disagree with paying for abortion, just saying many despise it). In Illinois 54% of all births are on Medicaid and this I oppose for financial and moral reasons yet I am forced to tolerate it. However if the rightwing made a law stating that say only white men could vote people would revolt and rightfully so. Both extremes are dangerous, but at least in Illinois I have to pay more in taxes the support the freeloaders, I'm not supporting the rightwingers as much. I do not want the extremes of either side in power.
Discuntent
04-08-2012, 08:25 PM
Can't we all just get along? :(
socialreject
04-08-2012, 09:18 PM
This thread is starting to bounce around all over the place...
JayATee
04-10-2012, 02:13 AM
Yes that is the mentality of the followers, not of the faith itself. What Jesus actually preached and what is practiced today are 2 completely different things.
What's the difference? Killing people is killing people. And if you do that enough, at some point someone is going to take issue with it. Even if you're "the biggest baddest" religion.
socialreject
04-10-2012, 05:19 AM
What's the difference? Killing people is killing people. And if you do that enough, at some point someone is going to take issue with it. Even if you're "the biggest baddest" religion.
What? Jesus never preached or condoned killing in any way, shape or form. Just for the record, I'm not defending Christianity as the massive, organized entity it has become. I'm simply letting you know that the man himself did not represent this.
lemiwinks31
04-10-2012, 11:19 AM
Good luck with a war on Easter. You can drive a car over those marshmallow peeps and they retake their original form. Unstoppable sugary death awaits all those who seek battle with Easter.
And tooth decay.
Yup....I swear i chewed up the Peeps completely before swallowing them, but when I shit them out, they were in their original form...yellow sprinkles and all.
Kellydancer
04-10-2012, 01:18 PM
What's the difference? Killing people is killing people. And if you do that enough, at some point someone is going to take issue with it. Even if you're "the biggest baddest" religion.
There is killing in all aspects. Atheists kill and so do Muslims. And killing occurs in all respects. Many people think those who have abortions are murderers and others feel the death penalty is murder. In fact most of the Christians I know are opposed to all forms of killing, including those and unjustified wars So to say only Christians are murderers is very wrong. There are even people who think killing bugs is murder.
Dirty Ernie
04-10-2012, 02:24 PM
Good News! I went to the grocery store and the War on Easter is now 50% off. I stocked up.
Kellydancer
04-10-2012, 03:42 PM
I sure hope I can get more Peeps and Cadbury Eggs.
JayATee
04-10-2012, 04:14 PM
There is killing in all aspects. Atheists kill and so do Muslims. And killing occurs in all respects. Many people think those who have abortions are murderers and others feel the death penalty is murder. In fact most of the Christians I know are opposed to all forms of killing, including those and unjustified wars So to say only Christians are murderers is very wrong. There are even people who think killing bugs is murder.
None of which was my point, but hey kudos for utterly ignorning the obvious.
socialreject
04-10-2012, 04:27 PM
None of which was my point, but hey kudos for utterly ignorning the obvious.
I find it odd that I am even defending any form of religion (even if just a man named Jesus) against attack, being that I am an Atheist. I suppose that's why I AM an Atheist, because I take the time to educate myself properly on a subject, and then make an informed opinion and/or conclusion.
As for my own moral compass, I believe that there is never a reason to kill anything or anyone. I've had people say to me, "But what if someone kills your brother? Wouldn't you want to kill them or see them get the death sentence?" To which I reply, "You completely missed the point of my statement. Why did my brother get killed? You are presupposing an incident or situation that demands such action. And there is none, because there is no reason to take the life of another living thing at any time."
You have to get to the root of violence at its core, not just look at the symptoms. America has a very violent culture, as evidenced by our media and our prison population. When did the last mainstream movie you saw at the theater have a graphic sex scene in it? There might be a bit of nudity here and there, but sensual lovemaking? Nope. Not a shred. Instead, you have scene after scene of gut-wrenching violence, even on network tv. Network tv gets away with very graphic scenes of torture, but when it comes to scenes of love, they get the door slammed shut. Tell me if there is not something wrong with this?
Kellydancer
04-10-2012, 05:18 PM
None of which was my point, but hey kudos for utterly ignorning the obvious.
But you were saying Christians were all justifying killing when that is not the case. Many Christians do kill, but so do other people like atheists but only Christians are attacked for it. I will call out anyone, whether it is Christians, Hindus, atheists Wiccans, whatever.
Kellydancer
04-10-2012, 05:47 PM
I find it odd that I am even defending any form of religion (even if just a man named Jesus) against attack, being that I am an Atheist. I suppose that's why I AM an Atheist, because I take the time to educate myself properly on a subject, and then make an informed opinion and/or conclusion.
As for my own moral compass, I believe that there is never a reason to kill anything or anyone. I've had people say to me, "But what if someone kills your brother? Wouldn't you want to kill them or see them get the death sentence?" To which I reply, "You completely missed the point of my statement. Why did my brother get killed? You are presupposing an incident or situation that demands such action. And there is none, because there is no reason to take the life of another living thing at any time."
You have to get to the root of violence at its core, not just look at the symptoms. America has a very violent culture, as evidenced by our media and our prison population. When did the last mainstream movie you saw at the theater have a graphic sex scene in it? There might be a bit of nudity here and there, but sensual lovemaking? Nope. Not a shred. Instead, you have scene after scene of gut-wrenching violence, even on network tv. Network tv gets away with very graphic scenes of torture, but when it comes to scenes of love, they get the door slammed shut. Tell me if there is not something wrong with this?
My problem with this country is the graphic violence in movies. I can't remember the last movie I saw at the show but the last movie I watched on TV was Head. If you've never seen it, the beginning of the film shows that famous Vietnamese execution of that guy (name escapes me now). Anyway, I expect violence in movies but what trend now of graphic violence is disturbing and how a violent movie is more likely to get a PG-13 rating over a movie with nudity or swearing bugs me because violence is far worse.
socialreject
04-10-2012, 06:04 PM
My problem with this country is the graphic violence in movies. I can't remember the last movie I saw at the show but the last movie I watched on TV was Head. If you've never seen it, the beginning of the film shows that famous Vietnamese execution of that guy (name escapes me now). Anyway, I expect violence in movies but what trend now of graphic violence is disturbing and how a violent movie is more likely to get a PG-13 rating over a movie with nudity or swearing bugs me because violence is far worse.
Exactly! It's the Right Wing Religious nut cases that are screwing it up, because they are the only ones who have a problem with seeing sex. Unfortunately they have more power than everyone else in the media, so they can keep violence in, but sex out.
JayATee
04-11-2012, 06:21 AM
But you were saying Christians were all justifying killing when that is not the case. Many Christians do kill, but so do other people like atheists but only Christians are attacked for it. I will call out anyone, whether it is Christians, Hindus, atheists Wiccans, whatever.
I never said other faiths don't kill, but you're seriously going to sit there and tell me that Muslims aren't attacked as much if not more so? All sorts of religions kill for God, because their way is the true way, I'm not arguing that fact. I'm saying Christians are attacked because they're one of the least tolerant groups out there in terms of others religions/faiths/beliefs.
Yes that is the mentality of the followers, not of the faith itself. What Jesus actually preached and what is practiced today are 2 completely different things.
And (hell why not) let's not forget that Jesus was an Orthodox Jew who only preached to other Orthodox Jews, so what he preached and what is practiced have literally nothing to do with one another anyway. (Flame away people, I know how much that fact is hated).
socialreject
04-11-2012, 08:00 AM
And (hell why not) let's not forget that Jesus was an Orthodox Jew who only preached to other Orthodox Jews, so what he preached and what is practiced have literally nothing to do with one another anyway. (Flame away people, I know how much that fact is hated).
LOL....oh man....you are barking up the wrong tree here. His message was the same regardless of what "ethnic" or "cultural" group he actually belonged to. It applies to EVERYONE: universal respect and love for one another. Again, I will reiterate the fact that Christianity as the organized religion it is today does not in any way practice this. Nor do most of the followers.
Kellydancer
04-11-2012, 10:58 AM
I never said other faiths don't kill, but you're seriously going to sit there and tell me that Muslims aren't attacked as much if not more so? All sorts of religions kill for God, because their way is the true way, I'm not arguing that fact. I'm saying Christians are attacked because they're one of the least tolerant groups out there in terms of others religions/faiths/beliefs.
First off when did any Christian groups do anything like a 9/11? They didn't, Muslim groups did. In fact there have been other Muslim attacks throughout the world. And before anyone says I am attacking all Muslims, no not all Muslims are bad, but the extreme ones definitely are. The closest I can find comparing Christians to Muslims are the nuts who bomb abortion clinics, and most of these are weird people, NOT groups. As for atheists, oh sure maybe they haven't caused many attacks but they try to twist society to fit their agendas, like taking Christmas out of schools, and not allowing kids to pray (and I am not talking group prayers). A friend of mine took her kids out of the public school because the administrators gave in to the atheists and Muslim parents and eliminated Christmas pageants, and any reference to Christ. A former employer of mine was forced to remove a Christmas tree (which btw has Pagan beginnings)and a Menorah because some atheists protested. I personally would have kept both up and told the groups to fuck off because they were troublemakers. There is a atheist group here who causes trouble everytime they feel like it and they are just as bad as the Christians protesting.
Btw there are so many Christian groups out there and most of them don't agree with each other on much. There are variations from the fundamentalists to the more secular based Christians (who tend to be very liberal).
Djoser
04-11-2012, 11:29 AM
OK so sorry, gotta close this one down--too much chance of flame wars. Politics and religious issues tied into politics are off limits in the Lounge now anyway.