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eagle2
05-06-2011, 12:06 PM
If Bush was in office when this happened, he would have received ten times the credit he was due. No one is claiming that this was all Obama's doing. Yes, he was involved, and yes, there were hundreds of other people involved, especially the people on the ground who actually completed the mission. But Obama is Commander in Chief, just like Bush was. That means he's at the top, and he's responsible for the situation, whichever way it goes. Luckily, this went well.
Conservatives regularly say that Ronald Reagan "won the cold war".
Not wanting to give credit to Obama for getting Bin Laden is about as silly as not wanting to give credit to Bin Laden for 9/11. He didn't fly the planes, hes still the one to blame.
bem401
05-06-2011, 02:08 PM
Everyone here (and everywhere else) has given him credit for deciding to go ahead (though he had little choice) and for deciding to use commandos.
The silliness comes from those of you who don't want to acknowledge that programs and policies started and employed by his predecessor enabled him to find himself in a position to make those decisions.
To listen to some of you discuss Obama, one would think you think he can walk on water.
eagle2
05-06-2011, 03:38 PM
Everyone here (and everywhere else) has given him credit for deciding to go ahead (though he had little choice) and for deciding to use commandos.
You're not giving him credit. You say you give him credit for deciding to go ahead and at the same time you same he had little choice. You are also wrong that he had little choice. The mission was a very risky mission taking place on foreign soil. The previous administration was not willing to allow a mission of this type to go forward.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/08/washington/08intel.html?pagewanted=1&hp
His opponent for President would not have allowed the mission to go forward based on what he said during the election. John McCain criticized Obama for saying he would send troops into Pakistan to pursue terrorists without authorization from the Pakistan government.
I'm glad we have someone in the White House that is tough enough to make a decision like that.
The silliness comes from those of you who don't want to acknowledge that programs and policies started and employed by his predecessor enabled him to find himself in a position to make those decisions.
His predecessor's policy was to take resources away from fighting terrorist in Pakistan, and use them for Iraq. Perhaps if he didn't do this, he would have been the one to have Bin Laden killed or captured.
The silliness comes from those of you who want to give all of the credit for what happened to President Bush.
To listen to some of you discuss Obama, one would think you think he can walk on water.
In your mind, anyone who doesn't think President Obama is a foreign-born Marxist/Socialist Muslim trying to destroy our country, thinks he can walk on water.
SteveSmith
05-06-2011, 04:40 PM
Bush: "I'm not concerned about Bin Laden."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o
Bush Presidential debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRY_BOYeySc&feature=related
nelly33
05-06-2011, 05:23 PM
My listing of contradictory reports was in response to a claim there hadn't been any. IMO, the story keeps changing in an apparent attempt to cultivate Obama as some sort of military icon as we enter the campaign season. His visit to Ground Zero is little more than a campaign stop/photo op for him. If he really cared about those people he'd have been there long ago.
Oh and by the way, his administration is still trying to cut funding for the military and intelligence agencies that actually did the work here and his AG is still investigating and looking to prosecute the military people who conducted the "enhanced interrogations".
I don't think anybody can blame Obama for using the killing of Osama as a campaign booster... anybody in his position would do the exact same thing. As for the claiming that he should be questioned because he used the "enhanced interrogations" results to find Osama while at the same time condemning the technique, I don't think that's a very valid point.
To make a crude analogy, in WW2, dropping the bombs in Japan ended the war. While ending the war was a phenominal thing, that doesn't mean that using atomic bombs was the moral thing to do. While killing Osama was a great thing, doesn't mean the way we got the information was ok. Not saying I believe that... just pointing out that the ends don't always justify the means no matter the steaks.
Tell us what he did then. He apparently decided to use commandos rather than bombs to get him, I'll give you that.
If he was as integral to the operation as you seem to want to give him credit for, why did he need 16 hrs to sleep on it whether to go in when all evidence indicated UBL was there?
A huge reason he would have had to sleep on it even if the evidence was concrete, which it was not from what I understand, is that this was a blatent violation of Pakistans soverignty.
dreamer1980
05-07-2011, 01:17 AM
He died of kidney failure years ago.
very good point. osama needed a dialysis machine with him at all times. theres no way he could have survived going from cave to cave with his poor health. im sure he either did years ago or perhaps killed (either by america or someone else).
if he was killed long ago then i dont think it was released to the public because america wanted to keep the so called "war on terror" going.
also, how convenient for this to occur in the middle of obamas birth certificate scandal. good way to create distraction ::)
and where are the pictures of the body???
Raider
05-07-2011, 04:48 AM
very good point. osama needed a dialysis machine with him at all times. theres no way he could have survived going from cave to cave with his poor health. im sure he either did years ago or perhaps killed (either by america or someone else).
if he was killed long ago then i dont think it was released to the public because america wanted to keep the so called "war on terror" going.
also, how convenient for this to occur in the middle of obamas birth certificate scandal. good way to create distraction ::)
and where are the pictures of the body???
Yes..yes...yes...I am sure you are exactly right and have it all figured out.::)
America kept it private in order to continue to suffer the side effects of the war on terror and to continue to have it's soldiers killed. I mean if you are going to pay your soldiers you might as well put them to work, right?::)
Then....America waited and waited and waited for something major they needed distraction from and decided now is the time because of the big...big...big birth certificate controversy.::)
Pictures not being released due to not wanting to further rile up his supporters. Besides, some people (not naming names) would merely say that it took them sooooo long to release them that they must be doctored and photo shopped.
We faked the mission and invasion to capture(kill) someone that we knew did not exist? Everyone involved keeping quiet? Fake a burial at sea? Everyone keeping quiet? and involved in the cover-up?
Osama's people admitting he was killed in the attack?
Thanks for your insight...now can you help clear up where Elvis has been hiding and who was really responsible for killing Kennedy??
michele11
05-07-2011, 05:38 AM
Yeah it was reported years ago he was dying of kidney disease by our government but know they say that wasn't true. lol. My ex who's arabic said it was reported there as well, I don't speak arabic but he always has arabic news stations on and stuff and he said the same thing he dies years ago.
Dirty Ernie
05-07-2011, 08:04 AM
The details of the raid keep changing. Apparently the gov't can't even coordinate or control the flow of information regarding this, yet an even more massive conspiracy, involving multitudes more people, has been successfully hidden for years. Yeah right.
And it's not like GW Bush et al would have let such a political trophy just sit there for the next administration. Hell the guy jumped into a flight suit and landed on an aircraft carrier and proclaimed "Mission Accomplished" just because a big statue of Saddam was torn down.
And I'm sure if OBL can get religious zealots to fly planes into buildings, he could find someone to give up a kidney, Probably both kidneys.
Yeah i love how people who give so little credit to the government are perfectly ok with giving them credit for pulling off a massive world wide conspiracy involving thousands of people.
dreamer1980
05-07-2011, 06:44 PM
it's sad to say, but yes our government really doesn't hold our soldiers lives in high regard. i have massive respect for soldiers in the military because they are in it for our freedom. but what the government sees here is oil which in turn equals money (and lots of it). that's why we're over there AND will continue to be there. to think the american government is trying to do "good" in other countries is naive.
in all of human history, name one government that wasn't corrupt. you won't find any because its human nature to abuse power and lie when given the opportunity.
bem401
05-08-2011, 04:49 AM
Yeah i love how people who give so little credit to the government are perfectly ok with giving them credit for pulling off a massive world wide conspiracy involving thousands of people.
What about 9/11? Plenty of the people scoffing at those people who see the UBL thing as a possible conspiracy are among those saying 9/11 was orchestrated from within our gov't. That would have been a much harder conspiracy to pull off than this.
For the record, I subscribe to neither theory but the second one seems less unlikely than the first.
ArmySGT.
05-08-2011, 10:00 AM
Conservatives regularly say that Ronald Reagan "won the cold war".
For good reason.
He initiated programs that challenged the Soviets in political, humanitarian, and yes defense arenas.
Not saying he went it alone but he did turn the ship around after President Carters disastrous turn at the helm.
African aid programs, Star Wars, NASA programs, the 600 ship Navy.
Eric Stoner
05-10-2011, 08:57 AM
You're not giving him credit. You say you give him credit for deciding to go ahead and at the same time you same he had little choice. You are also wrong that he had little choice. The mission was a very risky mission taking place on foreign soil. The previous administration was not willing to allow a mission of this type to go forward.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/08/washington/08intel.html?pagewanted=1&hp
His opponent for President would not have allowed the mission to go forward based on what he said during the election. John McCain criticized Obama for saying he would send troops into Pakistan to pursue terrorists without authorization from the Pakistan government.
I'm glad we have someone in the White House that is tough enough to make a decision like that.
His predecessor's policy was to take resources away from fighting terrorist in Pakistan, and use them for Iraq. Perhaps if he didn't do this, he would have been the one to have Bin Laden killed or captured.
The silliness comes from those of you who want to give all of the credit for what happened to President Bush.
In your mind, anyone who doesn't think President Obama is a foreign-born Marxist/Socialist Muslim trying to destroy our country, thinks he can walk on water.
I, for one, AM giving him credit for ordering in the Seals. I also give him credit for keeping Guantanamo open.
The point is that intel developed under his predecessor led to Osama.
My problems with Obama have to do with the aftermath. Being so nice to Osama's body and blabbing about the treasure trove of intel recovered from Osama's house. Blabbing too much and too soon about what we did and how we did it thus giving other Al Queda operatives time to cover their tracks and disappear.
I have no problem with Obama taking credit for giving the order and for having a successful mission on his watch. I'm starting to worry about how much talking he and his folks are doing about it.