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tinydancer23
05-15-2011, 08:46 PM
to quote hottie: "I'm not bashing anyone for their religion, I'm bashing for claiming a religion that you do not follow (read as being a hypocrite)."

i've not seen a lot of asking...i've seen a lot of telling us we can't reconcile our sex work with our beliefs. preaching to me about how i can't be religious to make yourself feel more self-righteous is not a discussion. a discussion means you're actually listening to what i have to say and you care about what i think. a discussion requires two people...they don't need people like me and tg here, they could have this conversation all on their own. they are here to tell us we're doing it wrong. there's a huge difference there.

naughtycammer
05-15-2011, 08:46 PM
I'm actually pagan, christian, buddhist, and more because God is in my heart and in everything I see around me and I don't need to follow one path or quote one single book written by MAN to be spiritual. And TG you didn't attack me or put me down because 1) you're not like that and 2) that's not what this thread is about. THIS thread is about beliefs about whether or not one can be religious and be a sex worker. There are thousands of different religions. Not just Christianity and Catholicism. ;D


You should go to sunday school for 5 more years. It seems you didn't learn anything from your comments. Again, If we are hypocrites the bible is also hypocrite. The bible says to love your neighbor as you love yourself. It also says we are all sinners, repent and your sins shall be forgiven. You didn't get that part? You started making disrespectful comments about people's religion first. When it comes to religion and politics, if you have nothing to nice to say .. it's best to shut the hell up. You've never heard that saying?

I didn't even know naughtycammer was pagan. That religion scares me a bit but you don't hear me bashing her for it. I'm not going to bash minnie because of her religion. You shouldn't bash people because of their religion and call them hypocrites because of what they choose to do for work. It's tacky and you're only asking for trouble. Wasn't Jesus good friend with Mary Magdalene?

TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 08:46 PM
Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't mean they're 'bashing' you.

Wow. I cannot believe YOU actually said this, Smurfette. Really? Isn't that what I've been trying to tell you for I don't know how many hours now on that other thread? Maybe this statement is case by case basis.

Hottie said:

"I'm not bashing anyone for their religion, I'm bashing for claiming a religion that you do not follow (read as being a hypocrite)."

She said it herself. So this thread is supposed to be a flame war. Let's the games begin.

CoolBreeze
05-15-2011, 08:49 PM
i have a question for hottie, buffy, & others who agree with them...

what is the point of y'all talking down to the rest of us in this thread? you're apparently not religious (since sex workers can't be religious OMGZ!) so i am guessing you're not trying to save our immortal souls and get us to turn away from sin. what are you getting out of this? do you sleep better at night knowing you've judged and classified everyone else, or what? why is it your freakin' business? what do you get out of bashing us?

i'm all for discussion...hell, i spent six years doing nothing but eating, sleeping, and breathing religion while i was in school and i talk about it all the time. but this isn't a discussion...discussions are two sided. this is y'all telling everyone else how we're wrong. i can understand why religious non-sex workers might want to tell me how i'm wrong for the sake of my soul or something...but y'all don't have that excuse. so what is the point?

I don't think they were trying to "take us down", but rather trying to understand. At least that's how I'm taking it, and I'm not at all offended. The questions are valid considering what mainstream "religion" has made things. I think that those of us who do believe in God, and know the He's ok with us doing what we're doing, are something that doesn't make sense to a lot of people. Believers and non-believers alike. We're different than those "religious people" and if we claim to be of a certain religion (as they understand it), how can we possibly be cool with what we're doing?

Close enough?

xfatrabbitx
05-15-2011, 08:49 PM
I haven't seen any bashing in this thread at all, Buffie and others just wanted to understand how sex workers can reconcile their work with their beliefs. Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't mean they're 'bashing' you.

thank you
what the fuck is wrong with people? i havent seen bashing at all and thought this was a cool ass topic because there has been a civil debate amongst non-religious people and religious people. Not anymore. I think some people are being a little too sensitive and cant take thoughts that don't fit in their box.

TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 08:50 PM
thank you
what the fuck is wrong with people? i havent seen bashing at all and thought this was a cool ass topic because there has been a civil debate amongst non-religious people and religious people. Not anymore. I think some people are being a little too sensitive and cant take thoughts that don't fit in their box.

What the fuck is wrong with people that CANNOT read????



The girl said it herself that she was bashing... so what are yall talking about?

tinydancer23
05-15-2011, 08:50 PM
okay...so why is it that when we try to explain how we reconcile our beliefs, they turn around and say BUT YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG?

i'm lost.

i'm going to bed.

UwishUknewhy
05-15-2011, 08:51 PM
Anyone on here fighting over religion is extremely pathetic. You have no right to say whether or not some one is "worthy" or not. In retrospect we are all whores that show are body for money. Get over it, even if you go to church every Sunday, you still, are not better than me. Also, reading the bile DOES NOT make you more of a christian so stop fucking saying it!

h0ttie
05-15-2011, 08:56 PM
i have a question for hottie, buffy, & others who agree with them...

what is the point of y'all talking down to the rest of us in this thread? you're apparently not religious (since sex workers can't be religious OMGZ!) so i am guessing you're not trying to save our immortal souls and get us to turn away from sin. what are you getting out of this? do you sleep better at night knowing you've judged and classified everyone else, or what? why is it your freakin' business? what do you get out of bashing us?

i'm all for discussion...hell, i spent six years doing nothing but eating, sleeping, and breathing religion while i was in school and i talk about it all the time. but this isn't a discussion...discussions are two sided. discussions don't include bashing, and hottie owned up to bashing. this is y'all telling everyone else how we're wrong. i can understand why religious non-sex workers might want to tell me how i'm wrong for the sake of my soul or something...but y'all don't have that excuse. so what is the point?

I am NOT bashing anyones religion. I am bashing people for claiming a religion they are NOT following. If you are a christian, muslim, buddhist whatever thats great and I am happy for you. If you have your own relationship with God I am also happy for you. However when you say you are a christian (example) but are constantly doing things that are considered sins, but decide to give your self immunity or use repentance as an excuse to do whatever you want thats what I have a problem with.

tinydancer23
05-15-2011, 08:57 PM
i don't understand why you have a problem with it, though. my beliefs and my relationship with god have nothing to do with you. i'm not claiming i'm better than you or i have any moral high ground. hell, i never even claimed to be a good muslim. where do you get off?

eta: & i'm really not trying to be a bitch, i'm genuinely curious. i really cannot wrap my head around what you're getting out of this.

edited again because i'm really trying to wrap my head around this.

okay...according to your logic we shouldn't be calling ourselves muslim or christian.
however...the only requirement for becoming a christian is to accept jesus christ as one's lord and savior. and the only requirement for becoming a muslim is to profess that there is no god but god and muhammad is his final messenger. being a sex worker doesn't conflict with those things. hell, the basic tenets of islam are the five pillars, and there is NOTHING in the five pillars about premarital sex.
i'm not hung up on the labels, personally. i mean, if it makes you feel better, i'm happy to say i'm not a twue muslim, i just believe there's no god but god and muhammad is his final messenger. that's the important part, not the label. you say potato, i say potahto. i don't understand the reasoning here.

okay, really going to bed now.

TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 08:58 PM
i don't understand why you have a problem with it, though. my beliefs and my relationship with god have nothing to do with you. i'm not claiming i'm better than you or i have any moral high ground. where do you get off?

Exactly. Like I said, she is doing it to feel better about HERSELF for whatever reason. 8)

So now I'm just going to watch her preach her nonsense.

BuffyFlame
05-15-2011, 08:59 PM
Ohh come on , Seriously. Eat it.

Not TG
The person who said i was bashing them
Im not.

xfatrabbitx
05-15-2011, 09:00 PM
What the fuck is wrong with people that CANNOT read????

http://forum.stripperweb.com/showpost.php?p=2118258&postcount=53

The girl said it herself that she was bashing... so what are yall talking about?

Okay, I dont meticulously point out the semantics of comments in hopes that there's something I can be rude about as usual. That seems to be your MO for the majority of threads.

Is hotty coming off as naive, conservative, and close minded with some of her comments regarding religions and the sex industry in general....yes...but so what, we don't all need to have the same point of view. i didn't feel like she's being rude, just stating her opinion (which is what the topic asked for). some people know how to have a debate, without feeling the need to start a fight.

now, were you an uppity lil bitch who freaked out and started attacking her personally....yesssssssssssss.. what's your excuse? just intolerant to differing point of views

im not gonna have this e-fight. Cool topic Buffy, too bad it went South as usual.

CoolBreeze
05-15-2011, 09:02 PM
okay...so why is it that when we try to explain how we reconcile our beliefs, they turn around and say BUT YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG?

i'm lost.

i'm going to bed.

Because it's all they know. And it's ok. :) It's not up to us. It's up to God. Other people can tell me all day that I'm doing it wrong, but who I am says I'm doing it right. You're not lost either. :) Not by a long shot.

Sweet dreams.

Christany
05-15-2011, 09:02 PM
I voted I don't have a religion. I consider myself more spiritual rather than religious, so I suppose I view that as 2 separate things. Plus, it's kind of a hodgepodge of ideologies (Unitarian Universalism, Agnostic, Pagan, etc...)

I'm all for exposure to new ideologies though.

BuffyFlame
05-15-2011, 09:03 PM
Heyy , Its cool , You're SUPPOSE to protect your religion.
I think we are getting the information more and more with every comment.

Ps , Thank you for everyone who answered with poise. Thank you!

Smurfette
05-15-2011, 09:03 PM
Wow. I cannot believe YOU actually said this, Smurfette. Really? Isn't that what I've been trying to tell you for I don't know how many hours now on that other thread? Maybe this statement is case by case basis.

I haven't seen anyone in this thread attacked, insulted, or called stupid or an idiot for being religious. There has been no 'bashing' , and for the most part (excluding hottie since she admitted to bashing even though I don't think her comments were offensive) all I've seen is people asking honest questions trying to understand, and in response the religious folks get all upset and feel like they're being ganged up on. But I think that's kind of silly and overly sensitive.

BTW I think this thread has been mostly positive and I've enjoyed reading the responses of those who are religious.

I'm not going to drag the other thread into this one because I'm over it ;) but when you make comments like "all [blank] are [insert bad word here]" then yeah, an opinion does turn into bashing. But no one has said anything like that in this thread (yet)

Argh, why am I getting involved in all these flamewars lately?! make love not war :(

TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 09:04 PM
Anyways...

TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 09:05 PM
now, were you an uppity lil bitch who freaked out and started attacking her personally....yesssssssssssss.. what's your excuse? just intolerant to differing point of views


Name calling .. classy 8) Yes you sure did make the situation better :D. I just love real time contradiction.
All you did was prove what I said in the beginning.. another flamewar. Are you proud? *eyeroll*
Don't worry I have no problem ignoring you.


Because it's all they know. And it's ok. :) It's not up to us. It's up to God. Other people can tell me all day that I'm doing it wrong, but who I am says I'm doing it right. You're not lost either. :) Not by a long shot.

Sweet dreams.
Yes. Yes. Yes. :)

BuffyFlame
05-15-2011, 09:06 PM
It has been a VERY nice read! Its NICE to see the other side!!
Thank you all.
Its nice to know we are more then just black white brown and red.
We also very in beliefs, and life choices!.

h0ttie
05-15-2011, 09:10 PM
can someone point out where this thread turned into more of an argument than a discussion?

TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 09:11 PM
Shit starters:

BuffyFlame
05-15-2011, 09:12 PM
Thats not a argument , thats a opinion.

And for the record, Its not even MY opinion. I Voted i have a religion.
People other then hottie voted that they think sex workers shouldn't have religions.
Actually, MOST did.

h0ttie
05-15-2011, 09:16 PM
thats an opinion...but "religious" people always feel like someone is attacking them

lusciouslips
05-15-2011, 09:17 PM
My BIGGEST, most thought provoking question to everyone here......if you truly have faith, and BELIEVE then why do most 99% probably..... fear death??? Does not every religion promise some sort of "better" existance in the so called afterlife??? This is why it is so fear based to control......if your BAD you dont get into Heaven?? But if god is god, and created heaven and earth, then he must have created hell?? This makes no FN sense......think about it, EVERYONE is sooooo afraid they r going to fry

BuffyFlame
05-15-2011, 09:18 PM
TG, You show a VERY strong bond to your religion.
Thats a amazing faith.

She simply states, Why would you knowingly do something against your
religion, If your so attached to it, Witch you can clearly see you are.
*Like why would you knowingly cheat on your husband, Then ask him for
forgiveness every night.

Nobody here has to cam , or sell there bodies. Its a choice, Sometimes i do feel bad
about it , and ask god to just bare with me , Ill make it up to him somehow.

h0ttie
05-15-2011, 09:18 PM
Who is Hottie to call anyone here a hypocrite? Is she God? No. Who is SHE to make such decision? Who is she to talk down to us? Who is she to bash us for our beliefs? BS. Why do discussions like this turn into "arguments" because you have opinionated members like me on the board that won't sit back and not say anything when someone's out of line. Simple as that.

I am not talking down to you. All I say is don't be a hypocrite.

TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 09:20 PM
My BIGGEST, most thought provoking question to everyone here......if you truly have faith, and BELIEVE then why do most 99% probably..... fear death??? Does not every religion promise some sort of "better" existance in the so called afterlife??? This is why it is so fear based to control......if your BAD you dont get into Heaven?? But if god is god, and created heaven and earth, then he must have created hell?? This makes no FN sense......think about it, EVERYONE is sooooo afraid they r going to fry

I do not fear "judgement day". I do not fear death. When I pass, I just want my daughter to be taken care of (which is why I'm working my ass off now). As long as she is fine, I will die happy. :)

Smurfette
05-15-2011, 09:22 PM
Who is Hottie to call anyone here a hypocrite? Is she God? No. Who is SHE to make such decision? Who is she to talk down to us? Who is she to bash us for our beliefs? BS. Why do discussions like this turn into "arguments" because you have opinionated members like me on the board that won't sit back and not say anything when someone's out of line. Simple as that.

'Hypocrite' in that sense was not meant to be taken as an insult. Hottie's question was a valid one and I don't think she meant to be offensive. All I see here is people getting worked up over some tough questions that they can't/don't want to answer and then blaming others for 'bashing'.

CoolBreeze
05-15-2011, 09:23 PM
And about the "bashing"?

There was a little of that. But it's to be expected, no? When I don't understand something, I'll pick at it too, to see if it will break down. I like to understand things. To know. With religion, though, what gets "picked" at is people's faith. Which is something that is not easy to finitely define, and is often frustrating to try to explain. Sure, let me explain to you my relationship with GOD, such that you can understand it in a few paragraphs. Not likely, but I wish I could make you understand. I know I can't, but then again, that's not my job. It's His.

h0ttie
05-15-2011, 09:24 PM
'Hypocrite' in that sense was not meant to be taken as an insult. Hottie's question was a valid one and I don't think she meant to be offensive. All I see here is people getting worked up over some tough questions that they can't/don't want to answer and then blaming others for 'bashing'.

Exactly this is what happens when people don't have an answer. It turns in to why should I have to explain myself to you? or why does it matter to you? or they feel like they are being attacked.

xfatrabbitx
05-15-2011, 09:25 PM
I think the majority of people have agreed that there wasn't disrespectful bashing, more of a heated debate.

you're like the only one who sees it that way. i understand you have strong opinions and i enjoy a lot of your posts. I have strong opinions too. But sometimes if everyone is disagreeing with you, you should take a step back and think...maybe it's me. Maybe i'm wrong, maybe i'm the problem.

i mean, okay..? i called you a bitch im sorry, you called me illiterate first...? so i dont know why you're bringing up name calling when that's what you resorted to first..?!? LOL

I'm not going to say anymore because I too am immature sometimes and like to argue just for the sake of arguing...but I'm trying to conduct myself in a more mature way and actually be helpful to this forum. your responses say enough so i will stop "bashing" you and go make some money

Christany
05-15-2011, 09:25 PM
Why would you knowingly do something against your
religion, If your so attached to it, Witch you can clearly see you are.
*Like why would you knowingly cheat on your husband, Then ask him for
forgiveness every night.

Nobody here has to cam , or sell there bodies. Its a choice, Sometimes i do feel bad
about it , and ask god to just bare with me , Ill make it up to him somehow.

That's actually a really good question. I think this could get into the topic of representational martyrdom and self-sacrifice.

UwishUknewhy
05-15-2011, 09:28 PM
this thread is stressing me out, I'm going to masturbate! Good night ladies!

naughtycammer
05-15-2011, 09:31 PM
I think we should get back to the original topic and stop arguing. :)
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions and we all are just doing the best we can in this life.

xfatrabbitx
05-15-2011, 09:34 PM
ALLLLL HAAILLLLLL SATAN!!!!!!!

lol

BuffyFlame
05-15-2011, 09:35 PM
Night! ;)
For the record , Would i have ever guessed TG to be religious?
By the way she acts , and judges people , Hurts them , tares them apart.. No.

lusciouslips
05-15-2011, 09:36 PM
I do not fear "judgement day". I do not fear death. When I pass, I just want my daughter to be taken care of (which is why I'm working my ass off now). As long as she is fine, I will die happy. :)
me too girlfriend!! I would have given myself paradise a loooong time ago, lol

Smurfette
05-15-2011, 09:37 PM
I'm going to let the Anti-Christs and Religion hating chicks have their thread back.In fact, that is what they wanted to do.. start another bashing/flamewar and then accuse me of being "negative", "argumentative" when it was a negative thread to begin with. Who the hell is not going to defend their religion? What a joke!

Naughtycammer, Buffy, Coolbreeze, Tinydancer, Uwishyouknewwhy.. it was nice to hear from yall! Good night!

Cool, I always wanted to be the Anti-Christ 8)

I'm out too, sorry for playing part in this silly flamewar and derailing the thread.

TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 09:37 PM
Buffy,

Keep judging me by my board persona. The people that know me know that I'm a sweet little princess that tries to help everyone out. Just ask the people that have actually met me and chat with me via phone on a daily basis. However, It's cool I guess I'll be a "Religious bitch". :D hehe *kiss kiss*

Ok getting off this thread.

BuffyFlame
05-15-2011, 09:38 PM
Cool, I always wanted to be the Anti-Christ 8)

I'm out too, sorry for playing part in this silly flamewar and derailing the thread.

I think it should be deleted.
I think this might just be too touchy for some people.
Rightfully so, Its a very delicate subject.

BuffyFlame
05-15-2011, 09:39 PM
And calling me a Anti Christ isn't judging. Please.

Smurfette
05-15-2011, 09:40 PM
I think it should be deleted.
I think this might just be too touchy for some people.
Rightfully so, Its a very delicate subject.

Well then TG shouldn't be calling everyone who disagrees with her 'Anti-Christs', don't you think that's a bit over the top?

BuffyFlame
05-15-2011, 09:41 PM
^^ Ohh, Shes just upset someone's opinion differs from hers.
Its a bunch of judgment. Shes the only one doing any judging.

lusciouslips
05-15-2011, 09:42 PM
wow....I must be right on target as touringgirlfriend is the only one who even ACKNOWLEDGED the question.....Fear, with a capital F

h0ttie
05-15-2011, 09:42 PM
I'm going to let the Anti-Christs and Religion hating chicks have their thread back.In fact, that is what they wanted to do.. start another bashing/flamewar and then accuse me of being "negative", "argumentative" when it was a negative thread to begin with. Who the hell is not going to defend their religion? What a joke!

Naughtycammer, Buffy, Coolbreeze, Tinydancer, Minnie, Bun, Uwishyouknewwhy.. it was nice to hear from yall! Good night!

what the fuck is this??? anti-christ and religion hating...guess you missed like half of what I said.

BuffyFlame
05-15-2011, 09:43 PM
wow....I must be right on target as touringgirlfriend is the only one who even ACKNOWLEDGED the question.....Fear, with a capital F

What do you even think the question is?

TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 09:43 PM
wow....I must be right on target as touringgirlfriend is the only one who even ACKNOWLEDGED the question.....Fear, with a capital F

So I am not going to bed.

Exactly! :)

Oh and they'll say that I am not answering their questions/afraid to answer *eyeroll*

Smurfette
05-15-2011, 09:44 PM
^^ Ohh, Shes just upset someone's opinion differs from hers.
Its a bunch of judgment. Shes the only one doing any judging.

Oops, I realize now you're talking about the entire thread.

I thought you were talking about my specific post, that I was being too offensive, lol.

CoolBreeze
05-15-2011, 09:44 PM
I think we should get back to the original topic and stop arguing. :)
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions and we all are just doing the best we can in this life.

I agree.

But I also think that exactly what went down in this thread is relevant and is where people who believe and people who don't get crossed. Not everyone who believes in God and claims a religion as their own is strong enough in their own faith to answer in a way that demonstrates their belief understanding. Or is even a good "member" of that religion. If that makes sense. The cool thing about God? He meets us where we are.

The example of Christianity given supposes a knowledge of what Christianity is supposed to be. God defines that. Not the church or other people. (at least this is what I believe).