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h0ttie
05-15-2011, 09:45 PM
wow....I must be right on target as touringgirlfriend is the only one who even ACKNOWLEDGED the question.....Fear, with a capital F
Oh no I have the same view on religion but I did not bring my religious beliefs into this conversation because If they thought the things i said here were bashing they for sure could not handle hearing about MY religious beliefs.
xfatrabbitx
05-15-2011, 09:46 PM
there's a difference between constructively defending your religion and just attacking someone else.
Defending religion would be - I think it's absolutely okay and not hypocritical for adult workers to be christians because...
Then there's...why dont you go read the bible a few more times...etc
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The way you argue your point isn't constructive for anyone, not just in this thread. You never defend your point, rather just attack the person. That's not cool, nor does it help the forum. That's great that a lot of people think you're sweet OUTSIDE of the forum....INSIDE the forum is a little different story and you can be very offensive. And yes, we only know your forum persona so that's all we have to go by.
Nice way to go out though, doing the same thing (even worse) that you complained was happening to you. Us giving our opinions are okay...you claiming we're all the anti-christs.. ignorant
BuffyFlame
05-15-2011, 09:46 PM
Exactly..^ I Applauded touring girlfriend when i THOUGHT she was defending her religion, BUT When she called everyone who disagreed with her a Anti Christ, It was clear , She was arguing just to argue.
TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 09:46 PM
*sigh* Back to the lecture (not debate) you know the one where we are called hypocrites. I just grabbed my coffee. Hottie, Please continue the lecture.
Buffy I did not call you an anti-christ.
Oh but fatrabbit, you just called me a "bitch" for no reason. Yes you showed true sportsmanship and class by doing that. You know, it was exactly what this thread needed. I didn't start the name calling. Hey look I want to get back to the Original Topic, You know the part where you guys calls us hypocrites for being religious and being a sex worker. Please keep on.
Ooh no name calling and bashing though. Keep on please.
h0ttie
05-15-2011, 09:51 PM
Ok you called me an anti-christ...so its ok for you to bash right?
TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 09:52 PM
Ok you called me an anti-christ...so its ok for you to bash right?
You started the whole bashing by calling me a hypocrite for being a sex worker and believing in Christianity. Why can you call me names and I can't do the same? Who are you supposed to be?
Like I said, continue your sermon/your preaching please! Continue telling us how much better you are than us.
h0ttie
05-15-2011, 09:56 PM
you are delusional I never said I was better than you....
CoolBreeze
05-15-2011, 09:57 PM
My BIGGEST, most thought provoking question to everyone here......if you truly have faith, and BELIEVE then why do most 99% probably..... fear death??? Does not every religion promise some sort of "better" existance in the so called afterlife??? This is why it is so fear based to control......if your BAD you dont get into Heaven?? But if god is god, and created heaven and earth, then he must have created hell?? This makes no FN sense......think about it, EVERYONE is sooooo afraid they r going to fry
I'm not afraid of death. I'm not ready to go yet either. Too much left to do.
As for Hell, yes, I believe in that too. Not sure exactly what I believe though. Whether it is a literal lake of fire, or if it's just a separation from God. No, I don't want to find out first hand. But I also know that I won't have to, and it's not because I was scared into believing in God. I actually chose to commit the "unforgivable sin" at one point in my life. Yeah, look that one up, then ask me how I'm still forgiven. Past present and future.
I think the original question is a good one. But I also think it's missing a poll option.
"Yes, I practice, and it's evident in all areas of my life."
Smurfette
05-15-2011, 09:57 PM
Let's look at this again:
I don't see how you can be religious and a sex worker...without being a hypocrite.
That is not an insult. That is her expressing her opinion about how she doesn't understand how a sex worker can be religious. Never once did she shout from the rooftops "TOURING GIRLFRIEND IS A HYPOCRITE, I AM SO MUCH BETTER THAN HER!!"
TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 10:00 PM
That is not an insult. That is her expressing her opinion about how she doesn't understand how a sex worker can be religious. Never once did she shout from the rooftops "TOURING GIRLFRIEND IS A HYPOCRITE, I AM SO MUCH BETTER THAN HER!!"
Ok fine. Point taken. I was not trying to insult her just like she was not trying to insult me. What I said earlier, was my "opinion" as well. nuff said.
Carry on.
BuffyFlame
05-15-2011, 10:00 PM
Sorry im late, Its a long climb from the roof ;) jp
TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 10:01 PM
Nice. I just love the cliques here.. cute *eyeroll*. Please continue the discussion. ;) Thanks for the insults. They taste like chicken.
Smurfette
05-15-2011, 10:05 PM
Ok fine. Point taken. I was not trying to insult her just like she was not trying to insult me. What I said earlier, was my "opinion" as well. nuff said.
Carry on.
You called every non-religious poster in this thread an Anti-Christ. Seriously? There is no reason whatsoever to say something so ridiculous like that UNLESS you just want to get people all riled up. Which clearly, you did, so kudos! You're a very effective troll ;D
CoolBreeze
05-15-2011, 10:05 PM
Oh no I have the same view on religion but I did not bring my religious beliefs into this conversation because If they thought the things i said here were bashing they for sure could not handle hearing about MY religious beliefs.
I'm interested in hearing. If you're interested in sharing.
h0ttie
05-15-2011, 10:05 PM
you still never answered this question....if you are religious why would you constantly do something that is considered a sin in your religion?
lusciouslips
05-15-2011, 10:05 PM
I'm not afraid of death. I'm not ready to go yet either. Too much left to do.
As for Hell, yes, I believe in that too. Not sure exactly what I believe though. Whether it is a literal lake of fire, or if it's just a separation from God. No, I don't want to find out first hand. But I also know that I won't have to, and it's not because I was scared into believing in God. I actually chose to commit the "unforgivable sin" at one point in my life. Yeah, look that one up, then ask me how I'm still forgiven. Past present and future.
I think the original question is a good one. But I also think it's missing a poll option.
"Yes, I practice, and it's evident in all areas of my life."
they are all so busy trying to defend themselves and be right that they still dont even notice anything but themselves, lol.....soooo funny its called EGO
h0ttie
05-15-2011, 10:06 PM
I'm interested in hearing. If you're interested in sharing.
oh boy...ok give me a minute this might be a long one lol
lusciouslips
05-15-2011, 10:08 PM
and personally, I dont believe in any lake of fire..... Santa, the Easter bunny, or a bearded man in the clouds.....but I do have faith}:D
TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 10:08 PM
You called every non-religious poster in this thread an Anti-Christ. Seriously? There is no reason whatsoever to say something so ridiculous like that UNLESS you just want to get people all riled up. Which clearly, you did, so kudos! You're a very effective troll ;D
It is funny you know Smurfette. I know WHO I was talking to when I made the Anti-Christ comment and she knows who she is as I sent her a PM. I called the rest of you Religion haters. You continue to insult me by calling me names. Your friend called me a bitch, the other called me and others a hypocrite ... but I haven't called you anything but a religion hater. Now you are calling me an effective troll because I dare stand up for myself. So who's getting personal now? You're better off just dropping it. Your name calling is not helping the thread at all. Get over it. That was two pages ago.
The constant bickering / name calling is pointless it has nothing to do with the OP. OP, You can call me whatever you want. I've heard it all here on sw so no problem.. LOL!
To the other: I'm just going to ignore you because as I said before it's pointless to communicate with you for free.
BuffyFlame
05-15-2011, 10:08 PM
they are all so busy trying to defend themselves and be right that they still dont even notice anything but themselves, lol.....soooo funny its called EGO
I asked you before.. What do you think MY question was?
TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 10:16 PM
and personally, I dont believe in any lake of fire..... Santa, the Easter bunny, or a bearded man in the clouds.....but I do have faith}:D
Exactly!;D
CoolBreeze
05-15-2011, 10:18 PM
I'll.... brb.
Smurfette
05-15-2011, 10:18 PM
It is funny you know Smurfette. I know WHO I was talking to when I made the Anti-Christ comment and she knows who she is as I sent her a PM. I called the rest of you Religion haters. You continue to insult me by calling me names. Your friend called me a bitch, the other called me and others a hypocrite ... but I haven't called you anything but a religion hater. So who's getting personal now? You're better off just dropping it. Your name calling is not helping the thread at all. Get over it. That was two pages ago.
Well then maybe you should keep PMs and posts separate because it makes it a bit confusing. You're always backtracking: "oh I was talking about someone else, not you!" or in the other thread, "highlight the text at the bottom of the post!" (why you'd make it invisible, I have no idea, and it wasn't there when I quoted it so you must have added it later)
You're just trying to find a way out of an argument without having to acknowledge what you said in an upfront and honest way.
I saw that you've been called a bitch and I don't agree with that at all, it's out of line. We already covered that the 'hypocrite' comment was not meant to be an insult. I haven't called you any names besides "troll", which I'm sure most on this forum would agree with me. Who knows, maybe I'm a troll too because I'm staying up late arguing on the internet when I could be doing more productive things :P
And I'm not a "religion hater". Do I believe in Christianity or any other religion? No, not at all. But my fiance does, and I love him, and I respect his beliefs. My mother-in-law and my own dad are very religious and I respect them more than anyone. But that doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to ask questions or challenge something that doesn't make sense to me, and doing so does NOT make me a religion hater.
TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 10:23 PM
Cool beans! Yes I am a troll because I am spending way too much time on sw. I will delete my posts now. I shouldn't have gotten involved in the conversation.
h0ttie
05-15-2011, 10:24 PM
I don't believe in religion I think its all complete bullshit. I feel like the people who follow organized religion just want to be a part of something. They want to feel important. They want to think that when they die they will go somewhere else and it isn't just all over. They don't want to accept the fact that people that die are really gone forever they think they will see them again. They are scared to handle their own problems so they pray to god saying things like "this is in gods hands" or "i'll pray on it" and then when it works out they thank god and if it doesn't they say "god won't give you more than you can handle". And they don't want to "make god mad" because of fear of punishment not because they want to be good people.
Smurfette
05-15-2011, 10:30 PM
Cool beans! Yes I am a troll because I am spending way too much time on sw. I will delete my posts now. I shouldn't have gotten involved in the conversation.
No, you're a troll because you're always saying incendiary things that rile people up, comments that I'm SURE you know will start an argument, and when you disagree with people you often resort to personal attacks rather than honest debate.
Maybe I'm a troll too because I keep taking part in it.
No need to delete your posts, SW would be boring without you! :P (I'm honest about this, lol)
TouringGirlfriend
05-15-2011, 10:50 PM
No, you're a troll because you're always saying incendiary things that rile people up, comments that I'm SURE you know will start an argument, and when you disagree with people you often resort to personal attacks rather than honest debate.
Maybe I'm a troll too because I keep taking part in it.
No need to delete your posts, SW would be boring without you! :P (I'm honest about this, lol)
Nope. Yall are just too sensitive. Isn't that what that girl just said to me. That I was too sensitive? Well... back at yall! :)
Anyways, As I said before I am a Christian sex worker and damn proud of it. End of story.
BuffyFlame
05-15-2011, 10:50 PM
^^ we can all agree there.
BuffyFlame
05-15-2011, 10:52 PM
Dammit stop editing lmao.
Smurfette
05-15-2011, 10:56 PM
I'm out for the night.
I love you ladies even though we're all probably gonna be arguing about something else in another thread tomorrow (or maybe still fighting in this one!) ;D
That"MODEL"Chick
05-15-2011, 11:05 PM
WOW! Why so much trashtalking? We didn't talk trash about each other for our differences in the race/eduction polls,why should this be any different? Anyway:
My "family's" religion is Christianity. Do I consider myself a Christian,yes but only because I am saved. The bible(which I realize some of you don't believe in,but thats perfectly fine) says that you have to be saved in order to get to heaven. Hmmm,ok,but it also says as a Christian you're supposed to follow in Jesus' footsteps and be Christ-like. I feel like while I do LOVE the Lord,I still make mistakes everyday. No being a sexworker is not a part of my religion and for this reason you will not catch me preaching/witnessing to anyone. If I do go to church,you WILL NOT catch me on the front row! I do believe what I'm doing is wrong. However,as wrong as it is,God also knows my heart and that one day I truly want to live right and follow in his footsteps. No,you will not catch me on my knees everynight repenting,simply because I have no intention of changing...right now. There's no need(for me) to ask for forgiveness knowing I'll wake up and repeat my same ways. I do pray for guidance and understanding. That he'll guide me in the right direction and I'll understand why. Bottom line...I LOVE God and I know he LOVES me. One day I will change,until then...let me be :)
CoolBreeze
05-15-2011, 11:12 PM
I don't believe in religion I think its all complete bullshit. I feel like the people who follow organized religion just want to be a part of something. They want to feel important. They want to think that when they die they will go somewhere else and it isn't just all over. They don't want to accept the fact that people that die are really gone forever they think they will see them again. They are scared to handle their own problems so they pray to god saying things like "this is in gods hands" or "i'll pray on it" and then when it works out they thank god and if it doesn't they say "god won't give you more than you can handle". And they don't want to "make god mad" because of fear of punishment not because they want to be good people.
Yeah, them. They're who I was talking about in my first post in this thread. There are exponentially more religious people who don't know God than there are those that do, in my opinion. They think they do, but they're going through the motions. I don't blame them for reaching out and wanting to believe in something more. Yes, some of them use religion as a crutch, or power platform. It's true that tons of people who should be making things happen for themselves, sob and moan that God will take care of it and if He doesn't there must be a reason for things as they are. Just as many who turn to God because they're afraid of death. And still more who are just sort of terrified into it.
One of the best things I ever did was to get to get angry with God and not try to hide it or deny that at least to me, some stuff just wasn't adding up.
CoolBreeze
05-15-2011, 11:25 PM
WOW! Why so much trashtalking? We didn't talk trash about each other for our differences in the race/eduction polls,why should this be any different? Anyway:
My "family's" religion is Christianity. Do I consider myself a Christian,yes but only because I am saved. The bible(which I realize some of you don't believe in,but thats perfectly fine) says that you have to be saved in order to get to heaven. Hmmm,ok,but it also says as a Christian you're supposed to follow in Jesus' footsteps and be Christ-like. I feel like while I do LOVE the Lord,I still make mistakes everyday. No being a sexworker is not a part of my religion and for this reason you will not catch me preaching/witnessing to anyone. If I do go to church,you WILL NOT catch me on the front row! I do believe what I'm doing is wrong. However,as wrong as it is,God also knows my heart and that one day I truly want to live right and follow in his footsteps. No,you will not catch me on my knees everynight repenting,simply because I have no intention of changing...right now. There's no need(for me) to ask for forgiveness knowing I'll wake up and repeat my same ways. I do pray for guidance and understanding. That he'll guide me in the right direction and I'll understand why. Bottom line...I LOVE God and I know he LOVES me. One day I will change,until then...let me be :)
And that is a perfect example of honest faith.
ashiepants
05-15-2011, 11:45 PM
We're human, we all live in sin. Every single one of us has skeletons in our closet and reasons to repent. Even the most passionate of Christians (or people of any faith)..its impossible to be human and not lead a life of sin in SOME way. So yes, you can be a Christian, have faith and still be in the sex trade. Jesus doesn't expect us to be perfect and knows we're going to sin...He forgives. And the Bible states that no sin is greater or worse than the other so really, if you can't be a person of faith as a sex worker, how can ANYONE be a person of faith just being human? All sin is the same in Gods eyes (according the the bible)...so we're either all fucked, or we're constantly a work in progress. I think the main thing is that you let Him lead your life and hold your faith in Him.
(I'm not religious at all, I just grew up in a strict Baptist family and know the Christian faith and Bible in and out...lol)
dixievista
05-15-2011, 11:54 PM
Religion is a hard one for me, but I find that every year I get older, the better I "get" it.
Raised hardcore Southern Baptist, I was trained fundamentally how things should be, which was a very black and white cherry-picked system, just as Buffy describes (oh Texas!!)
But I've come to realize several things in general about life that can be applied to ideas about religions too.
1. You can't judge other people UNLESS YOU ARE THEM. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. If a devout Christian can't make her fucking rent and has to sell herself to pay some bills, or if she just LOVES it and WANTS to for the HECK OF IT, that's her decision! Our decisions are ours to make - yes, that may make her a hypocrite - but why is that any concern of ours? We are not here to judge, and Christians are meant to love - the judgment in the Christian community is I believe the reason we as a nation have fallen behind on social and nondiscriminatory ethics/laws.
2. Religion is personal. While all Christians may love and cherish the same Jesus, and different sects have their own beliefs, just think about how different one person's experience is from another! Everyone has their own moment of realization, conversion, etc. I may not buy any of it anymore, but that's MY choice based on what I have seen and realized - but that doesn't discount your personal experience one iota.
3. Acceptance is the only true way to have any religion but be a modern human. If you can't accept that there are many religions and many personalities and many possibilities, then you really just need to open your mind a little bit. Nobody knows for certain what is real, what the rules mean, it's all open to extremely liberal interpretation! We just need to accept that each girl has her story, her experience, and her conviction, and gather around and support each other in that great uniqueness.
ZePeanut
05-16-2011, 12:27 AM
Faith is something that is generated from the heart, so what you do physically shouldn't matter at all.
I don't believe in organized religion. Some of the most judgemental people I have ever known were super religious, which I just don't understand. Religion just divides and distracts us from the fact that we are all human, with the same basic needs, living on the same planet.
khakigirl
05-16-2011, 02:11 AM
I'm religious (Christianity) and still think that sex work is OK for Christians just as homosexuality, premarital sex, gambling, etc. is OK. Does God really want us to do these things? Well, probably not however God gives everyone free will and also gives salvation to anyone who believes and accepts that Jesus died on the cross for their sins. Regardless of what they did before or do after they accept that, they are saved and salvation cannot be taken away. There is NO sin that will get someone out of God's grace except the sin of not accepting Him in the first place.
I know I sound like a Biblethumper but I really try not to be. This is 100% what I believe and what I follow in everyday life.
CoolBreeze
05-16-2011, 05:04 AM
For those who just can't quite get there in understanding, or who have such a bad taste in their mouth left by other Christians that they don't even want any part of religion, I just want to say that there is a SHIT LOAD that I DON'T understand about God and my relationship with Him. 1001 things that don't make sense to me. I'm a smart mofo. Like top of my class in HS/College smart. Multiple degree smart. Kick your ass and come out clean street smart. Been there, done that myself smart. But I still choose to believe and those things that I don't understand now, I think I will eventually. I like to have my beliefs challenged, and I challenge them myself as well. I guess I hope that if anyone who doesn't believe takes something away from this thread, that it's the fact that we're all in the same boat. Don't let religious (read self righteous) people drive you away from God because of the way they behave. But don't expect them to have all the answers or behave in a perfectly Godlike manner either. None of us is better than the others. We're just forgiven for what we each individually consider sin. The whole premise of Jesus coming here is that WE can't do it on our own. (Bridge the gap between God and man).
But we can admit that, "ya know what, I don't know shit, but I want to know more and I want to understand." I believe that God will meet you the rest of the way and right where you're at. Sometimes through situations, sometimes through something you read, sometimes through other people, and sometimes directly through your own heart and right in your face. I question EVERYTHING, and God puts up with me and accepts me anyway.
Am I getting preachy? If I am, someone slap me because I'm getting in God's way.
I'm atheist, but I've read the Old and New Testaments as well as the Koran and it's pretty clear, to me at least, that the only hypocrites are the ones who deliberately interpret those texts to persecute homosexuality (or any sexuality), then get caught blowing the Navy in an airport bathroom.
If there's anything that comes across in those texts, it's that there's a lot of room for individual choice when it comes to practice and interpretation. And since religion is a very personal practice, I don't see any hypocrisy in living your life and being devout in your own way.
Fridays
05-16-2011, 08:21 AM
Im not even gonna read this thread, my brain is melting just from seeing 5 pages!!:O
housewench
05-16-2011, 08:37 AM
jeez, guys, that argument is part of why I'm glad my path doesn't have 'sin' as a concept. No possible way to be guilted! :D
bubblegumbitch
05-16-2011, 06:38 PM
i wouldn't consider myself a religious person by any means....however i am a very spiritual person....i was brought up a christian but fell away from it cuz of all it's dogma it imposes on people's lives...there is deep spiritual meanings behind religions but all the dogma just gets in the way of the original spiritual messages...dogma created by man wanting to put fear into ppl to get them to abide by they're laws.... no one person can tell you what is in your heart and what your soul needs for nourishment, and how you live your life, there is no sin and no one has the right to judge you. on the other hand i also think...(plz don't take this the wrong way, this is just my opinion, not directed towards anyone) it's sad to not have a need for a higher power cuz this world is so chaotic and crazy to not have a need for that driving force with you to keep you from going crazy/suicidal....this world is just so hard and unpredictable to be able to handle all those emotional traumas of what life has dealt us by ourselves and ourselves alone to deal with...to me that would be a very lonely road to follow. and that is just how i feel:) i believe that there is a reason for everything, good or bad, there are lessons to be learned, good and bad karma to go around to help you evolve into a better person as a whole..no one person is better than the other no matter what you do or believe...you only know what your heart and soul needs.
Christany
05-16-2011, 06:46 PM
i wouldn't consider myself a religious person by any means....however i am a very spiritual person....i was brought up a christian but fell away from it cuz of all it's dogma it imposes on people's lives...there is deep spiritual meanings behind religions but all the dogma just gets in the way of the original spiritual messages...dogma created by man wanting to put fear into ppl to get them to abide by they're laws.... no one person can tell you what is in your heart and what your soul needs for nourishment, and how you live your life, there is no sin and no one has the right to judge you. on the other hand i also think...(plz don't take this the wrong way, this is just my opinion, not directed towards anyone) it's sad to not have a need for a higher power cuz this world is so chaotic and crazy to not have a need for that driving force with you to keep you from going crazy/suicidal....this world is just so hard and unpredictable to be able to handle all those emotional traumas of what life has dealt us by ourselves and ourselves alone to deal with...to me that would be a very lonely road to follow. and that is just how i feel:) i believe that there is a reason for everything, good or bad, there are lessons to be learned, good and bad karma to go around to help you evolve into a better person as a whole..no one person is better than the other no matter what you do or believe...you only know what your heart and soul needs.
I like to scope out different religions sometimes.... not so much to subscribe to them, but just to see if there's any principles that I can find value in. Sikhism is pretty cool. Even though it's monotheistic (which isn't really my thing), I dig how their deity has no gender. And overall it really encourages respect for females as well. The Sikhs I've met so far have been some of the most amazing men I've ever met in my life (the way they treat their women and significant others). I'm sure there are exceptions of course, but I like how this principle is part of their value system.
Buddhism, I dig their practice of meditation.
etc.....
loveyonetwo
05-16-2011, 08:07 PM
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TouringGirlfriend
05-16-2011, 08:13 PM
FYI, okay sex workers sell their body/services for $$, but so does EVERYONE ELSE who works any kind of manual labor, retail, food service, or various other job.
i love it!
BuffyFlame
05-16-2011, 08:17 PM
FYI, okay sex workers sell their body/services for $$, but so does EVERYONE ELSE who works any kind of manual labor, retail, food service, or various other job.
lol, Nice theory.
BuffyFlame
05-16-2011, 08:22 PM
By sell your body , We are talking of a SEXUAL nature.
Christany
05-16-2011, 08:45 PM
I prefer not to think of it as selling. Implies I'm signing away ownership. Renting maybe....
TouringGirlfriend
05-16-2011, 08:53 PM
I prefer not to think of it as selling. Implies I'm signing away ownership. Renting maybe....
lol. Yes!
BuffyFlame
05-16-2011, 09:00 PM
I prefer not to think of it as selling. Implies I'm signing away ownership. Renting maybe....
Excellent. You sell yourself when you get married. haha =P
Im Jk, Being a turd =P