View Full Version : Masturbation during private dances
babylovexxx
08-15-2011, 09:43 PM
Hellz No
germs
germs!
Exactly.
JayATee
08-15-2011, 09:50 PM
No it's not allowed, no I never did it and yes, that's extras and gross.
+1. If this was going on or normal at my club, I'd be finding a new club.
La Maddalena
08-16-2011, 12:28 PM
After I touch the pole, the money, and the customers, the last thing I want to touch is my pussy. Even when I wash my hands I try to be careful. I've seen girls spread eagle stuffing money in their pussy. Money is nasty and has been everywhere, so just be careful. But, I'm a prudish stripper and new. I try not to judge, just do what makes you feel comfortable and keeps you out of trouble.
luscious sadie
08-16-2011, 12:51 PM
+1. If this was going on or normal at my club, I'd be finding a new club.
Keep in mind that in some places, this is every club. I understand not wanting to do it and won't even bother entering into that debate atm but substitute that with grinding and it works, too right?
at the club that I work at, before you go into the ld booths there's hand sanitizer. I put some on my hands and then on the guys hands so when he touches me at least there's that. He's obviously not allowed to touch me in certain places (pussy being one of them) but knowing that we have used hand sanitizer is a comfort.
4everresolutions
08-21-2011, 07:17 AM
^exactly. Sometimes finding a new club means moving potentially to a different province/state/city.
I carry Purel in my little purse. No shame about at least attempting to keep germs at bay, even if I only shake their hand..l..
luscious sadie
08-21-2011, 11:23 AM
^exactly. Sometimes finding a new club means moving potentially to a different province/state/city.
I carry Purel in my little purse. No shame about at least attempting to keep germs at bay, even if I only shake their hand..l..
I've been all over this fair province of ours and if you don't want to see girls masturbating (or pretending to) then you're going to have to head West (I'm assuming that heading towards Montreal isn't going to remedy the problem :P). There are definitely some places that are worse than others though. There's one club that I used to work at and loved (and still do love) but it has CHANGED. All the girls seem to have discovered oxys and finger themselves every song / let guys finger them. It's pretty gross. Nipple sucking too. The one that I'm at right now doesn't allow that AT ALL and if they catch you doing it, you're in trouble.
basically, it's easy to judge based on what YOUR clubs' rules are and say that it's gross and that girls who do something are dirty but there's a difference between "what I'm not comfortable with" and "what is the norm and is legal and expected and seen in my club". There are things that I don't do (I don't let guys touch my nipples, have any mouth contact with me or spank me) and I still make money even though that's seriously the norm here. I didn't cut any deals at the club where EVERYONE ELSE did and still made money.
so basically, saying that it's disgusting and that if you saw it you would move is ridiculous because it is everywhere and is just. a thing that guys expect. If you don't want to do it then that's fine and you don't have to but saying that seeing it is so incredibly terrible that you would leave the club immediately is kind of. laughable to me. The idea of being so scandalised over something that just IS...
Kellydancer
08-21-2011, 01:26 PM
By masturbation if you are talking lips spread, fingering, etc then yes I think it's gross. Doing this on stage to me is very low class and disgusting. Is it an extra? Perhaps but I think it depends on the area. However, cupping yourself for protection doesn't sound like an extra at all.
Then again I am from an era where none of this really went on. I never grinded on a man at a club nor did I have to allow touching of any sort. In fact I once got in trouble for kissing a regular on the cheek. If we had touched ourselves we would have likely been fired at most clubs I worked at. I generally avoided nude clubs, but did work at one nude optional and you weren't allowed ro even spread your legs (I never went nude).
JayATee
08-21-2011, 01:58 PM
Keep in mind that in some places, this is every club. I understand not wanting to do it and won't even bother entering into that debate atm but substitute that with grinding and it works, too right?
at the club that I work at, before you go into the ld booths there's hand sanitizer. I put some on my hands and then on the guys hands so when he touches me at least there's that. He's obviously not allowed to touch me in certain places (pussy being one of them) but knowing that we have used hand sanitizer is a comfort.
I don't work full contact/high mileage regardless. And I'm more than willing to travel if all the clubs in my area aren't what I'm looking for. I'm simply not comfortable with it and never have been. As for hand sanitizer, I agree, and that should be common practice anyway.
luscious sadie
08-21-2011, 02:35 PM
Kelly, no, I would never, ever put my fingers inside my pussy. I make them into a V so that if it has to look like I'm touching myself I'm not REALLY touching it. I know of several girls at the club that I work at who DO insert fingers and without doing that, I make more than them.
I don't work full contact/high mileage regardless. And I'm more than willing to travel if all the clubs in my area aren't what I'm looking for. I'm simply not comfortable with it and never have been. As for hand sanitizer, I agree, and that should be common practice anyway.
but how far are you willing to travel? We're not talking like, within state lines here. We're talking about traveling to a whole other part of the country and it's possible that it might happen there, as well. If you don't want to do it, that's one thing but having such a high horse attitude that if it even goes on around you you would change clubs is another thing.
obscurity
08-21-2011, 04:02 PM
wow.............this thread is certainly an eye opener!!!! this truly shows that this kind of job has really CHANGED in the nearly 20 yrs since i was a dancer. i chose to dance because at the time, the most risque thing about it was that you were naked...that by far was taboo enough!!!! so when i went shopping for a club,i knew what i wouldnt do.....
i sat at my club for an entire shift.....checking every dark corner etc.....in my four yrs spent at said club....i never encountered drugs, extras, none of it!!!! if you so much as moved your hand near your breast...fired!!!! i would never have been able to handle anything less. vips were done w/ a bouncer right outside your door...always checking in....air dances on stage and as table dances....two ft away from the custy...fully nude.....but it literally was like the nude miss america pageant there ;).
so i guess this thread answers my question as to if i could handle returning.......NOT! lol
i truly am the june cleaver stripper........never ever ever were my legs spread....no pink lol......never touched any body parts.....just eye contact and great dancing ;)
JayATee
08-21-2011, 04:28 PM
but how far are you willing to travel? We're not talking like, within state lines here. We're talking about traveling to a whole other part of the country and it's possible that it might happen there, as well. If you don't want to do it, that's one thing but having such a high horse attitude that if it even goes on around you you would change clubs is another thing.
I'm more than entitled to set my own boundaries about what I will and will not put up with in my work environment without being criticized for it. I didn't say anything bad about anyone. I simply said it wasn't for me. Not to mention, that if it's going on around me it will be expected of me, and therefore affect me, especially if I'm refusing to do it. I don't have any high horse attitude. FFS. ::)
_natasha
08-21-2011, 04:38 PM
I work in a topless club... Touching my own breasts is fine but playing with the goods would be a sackable offence. But then I guess it is a topless only club. I'm sure in a nude club I would prepared to 'hold' myself for protection... I know how grabby guys get even when there's only boobs on show. I can imagine how difficult it could be to protect pussy AND boobs from grabby hands.
luscious sadie
08-21-2011, 06:39 PM
I'm more than entitled to set my own boundaries about what I will and will not put up with in my work environment without being criticized for it. I didn't say anything bad about anyone. I simply said it wasn't for me. Not to mention, that if it's going on around me it will be expected of me, and therefore affect me, especially if I'm refusing to do it. I don't have any high horse attitude. FFS. ::)
I never said that you didn't have a right to set your own boundaries. I set mine, as well, and tell guys straight up that they are not allowed to touch my nipples (even though everyone else does) and in clubs where every girl will cut deals or every girl will finger themselves hey guess what? I don't and still make more money than everyone else. I agree with you that you have the right to set your own boundaries and disagree that it will be expected of you / that you can set your own boundaries and still make money.
the high horse attitude that I was talking about is maybe not what you intended but for girls who work high mileage / full contact who are being told we are "extras girls" and who are being told that other girls who don't deal with what we do / are or aren't comfortable with would just up and move is kind of tough. It's easy to say that you would just move and go somewhere else but you know what? I've gone 12 hours away from where I started working and there was masturbation. I went to a completely non-contact club and there was masturbation. I have traveled literally all over this province and have friends everywhere else in this fair country and there is masturbation. If you don't want to do it, just don't do it. There are things that I don't do that guys will whine over and I still get more money than other bitches.
I know that I have managed to quote one person but allude to everyone else and what they are all saying. I'm entitled to my opinion though and I hold to that.
Kellydancer
08-21-2011, 09:16 PM
Kelly, no, I would never, ever put my fingers inside my pussy. I make them into a V so that if it has to look like I'm touching myself I'm not REALLY touching it. I know of several girls at the club that I work at who DO insert fingers and without doing that, I make more than them.
What you are doing doesn't sound all that bad to me at all. I'll be honest and say I never did it but I never had to. That's not a dig at you or anyone else, just that years ago the nude clubs weren't how they are now. The topless clubs I used to dance in years ago are now nude and this happens a lot I am told. The one nude club I worked at I never went nude because it was nude optional and never sold a nude dance (we had the option).
luscious sadie
08-21-2011, 11:19 PM
What you are doing doesn't sound all that bad to me at all. I'll be honest and say I never did it but I never had to. That's not a dig at you or anyone else, just that years ago the nude clubs weren't how they are now. The topless clubs I used to dance in years ago are now nude and this happens a lot I am told. The one nude club I worked at I never went nude because it was nude optional and never sold a nude dance (we had the option).
I hear you. I had a friend who would get drunk and cry about how much she hated stripping and how gross her dances had become. I remember one day I was doing better than her (this never happened back then) and we did a doubles dance together. She sat on him and started finger fucking herself for the whole song. It was completely shocking and mind-blowing. I couldn't believe that she would be willing to put her fingers inside herself after touching money / things around the bar / whatever. I lost a lot of respect for her that night.
I honestly don't understand what the huge fuss is about this whole situation. Almost all of us are saying that when we do it, we are pretending, hardly touching ourselves, it's just a show for the guy / protection for us. So what's the problem if that's the case? Even if we're giving an air dance we are seriously girls getting naked and acting out sexy movements to simulate sex (even if we are air dancing!). Pretending to touch yourself really can't be that big a deal when it is acceptable not to judge girls for grinding, for girls to do hard contact between each other for doubles dances.
I know of a few dancers who are older (one is about 45 and completely oxy-ed out) and they talk a lot about how the industry has changed. In Canada I think that we suffer from it MORE because it is universal up here that guys be able to touch us and the big urban centers are EXTRAS CENTRAL (Toronto and Montreal at LEAST in this part of Canada). Guys are so, so used to doing whatever they want that they have no problems even openly asking for it. Luckily we have a bouncer at the club I'm at who will go and tell guys to watch what they say if they are disrespectful. And I think it's pretty sad that I'm excited to have a bouncer who will tell guys to watch it if they're rude to us.
Kellydancer
08-21-2011, 11:30 PM
I agree with everything you said. I think part of it is many girls resent those who truly are gross and judge every who's doing more than they are (or claiming to do). Me, this isn't that big of a deal because I've seen far worse. Finger fucking is certainly worse but I'd rather do that then some of the other things we read about like guys finger fucking them. At least the dancer know where her fingers have been.
Yes sadly the industry has changed. So many of you would have loved how it used to be. I will often read things dancers today deal with and am sad they even have to put up with it. I never had to allow a man to touch my breasts or butt let alone other areas. No I would. I remember a few years ago going into a club and seeing a dancer allowing a man to suck her boobs while she grinded him and me thinking how that would have upset me. I could probably handle the grinding or touching myself but allowing a man to suck my boobs would bug me.
luscious sadie
08-21-2011, 11:44 PM
I absolutely refuse to do that. I remember at the club that I was at before THIS one. A girl would be sitting next to me charging 120$/hour (!!!!) and letting guys suck on her boobs for the whole thing. And there was hardly any divider between the two of us so not only did I know it was happening but I had to SEE it. I would be charging 300$/hour and would be giving mostly air-dances. I remember one time I was sitting in the booth next to her and made eye contact with her when she said "yes" to a guy who asked if he could suck her tit. I made a super grossed out face and she said "but no biting".
I know that might make me sound hypocritical but there is a serious difference between US doing something to ourselves and THEM doing something to us. The idea that a guy feels the need to "turn me on" to turn himself on is something that I don't put up with and will happily end a dance if he tries to play with my nipples after I specifically say not to. I also refuse to let them lick, suck or kiss ANY part of me. Just because I am straddling you doesn't mean I want your slobber on me. And realistically, you shouldn't want to put your mouth on me. I am a stranger who, if you slobber on me, lets many other people slobber on her.
I will say that it does bother me sometimes when they touch my boobs. It really depends on how they do it - even if they aren't touching my nipples. I mean, they have wives and girlfriends sometimes and are groping me like there is no tomorrow. Do they touch the women in their lives like they touch us? How do they feel like it is necessary to touch us like that ONTOP of getting a dance.
When my boyfriend went to the club and got dances (his friend was getting a divorce and they took him to the club. I said bring money and get dances) I thought I would be okay with it but ended up LOSING MY SHIT knowing that a dancer was grinding on him and breathing down his neck and all that. We still can't talk about it because I get very upset about the whole thing. It bothers me to think that he might have given money to a girl who would finger herself or does extras or makes her money in a way that I consider to be gross.
Aslinn
08-22-2011, 12:01 AM
The club I worked at had a sister club that was in another town about an hour away, it was known for being a trashy brothel. It was more of a full spread at will kinda place, even the girls who everyone knew sucked dick never touched there cooter in-depth on stage. My theory was that masterbation for woman is just down right personal and doing it for a crowed is awkward. But like someone said different clubs different rules at my club it was weird if someone got naked on a set, while the girl who came down to dance at our club were naked about a minute into the first song regardless of tips on stage.
luscious sadie
08-22-2011, 12:04 AM
The club I worked at had a sister club that was in another town about an hour away, it was known for being a trashy brothel. It was more of a full spread at will kinda place, even the girls who everyone knew sucked dick never touched there cooter in-depth on stage. My theory was that masterbation for woman is just down right personal and doing it for a crowed is awkward. But like someone said different clubs different rules at my club it was weird if someone got naked on a set, while the girl who came down to dance at our club were naked about a minute into the first song regardless of tips on stage.
I don't do it on stage. It is purely an in the back thing exclusively for people who are paying to see me naked. And again, I don't think that there is anything particularly personal about making a "v" with my fingers and touching my outer labia or putting my hand infront of my crotch while I'm straddling him and making it look like I'm touching myself.
anyway, I'm out of this debate since I have expressed everything that I feel I need to.
Aslinn
08-22-2011, 12:17 AM
I don't do it on stage. It is purely an in the back thing exclusively for people who are paying to see me naked. And again, I don't think that there is anything particularly personal about making a "v" with my fingers and touching my outer labia or putting my hand infront of my crotch while I'm straddling him and making it look like I'm touching myself.
anyway, I'm out of this debate since I have expressed everything that I feel I need to.
Did I miss something? I wasn't replying to you. Actually I just read the OP's post and responded....now I'm just confused!
Laurisa
08-22-2011, 12:32 AM
There is nothing wrong with touching your vagina during a dance. Sometimes I have to touch my vagina because I think my tampon string is falling out, which would be embarrassing! Other times I just run my hand over it (usually the part where the hair would grow, above the clit). It isn't illegal for me to run my hand over my vagina, lol, that's a joke. It's a fully nude club.
luscious sadie
08-22-2011, 02:57 AM
Did I miss something? I wasn't replying to you. Actually I just read the OP's post and responded....now I'm just confused!
You didn't miss anything. This thread goes back and forth between girls saying it's disgusting and girls who do it on a regular basis saying that it's not a big deal. I like to clarify my situation and position by responding to what people say so that there is no misunderstanding about what is going on.
my point is that while some people might think that masturbation is a very personal thing (which I think that it is) there is nothing personal about me pretending to masturbate in the VIP. As well, I do not pretend to masturbate on stage.
those are two distinctions that I feel it is necessary to make and the fact that you posted them and reminded me gave me reason to reply to you thereby clarifying my position on those two points.
Aslinn
08-22-2011, 04:07 AM
You didn't miss anything. This thread goes back and forth between girls saying it's disgusting and girls who do it on a regular basis saying that it's not a big deal. I like to clarify my situation and position by responding to what people say so that there is no misunderstanding about what is going on.
my point is that while some people might think that masturbation is a very personal thing (which I think that it is) there is nothing personal about me pretending to masturbate in the VIP. As well, I do not pretend to masturbate on stage.
those are two distinctions that I feel it is necessary to make and the fact that you posted them and reminded me gave me reason to reply to you thereby clarifying my position on those two points.
Well atleast I'm clear on your point. But I didn't give an opinion or debate anything with you, in short I wrote id never seen it. I don't really give a shit who does/doesn't/who pretends because it doesn't effect me. If that's how you get your paper its cool, if someone thinks there to above that then that's there problem. I'm not going to bother debating about shit that doesn't make sense to me. Me personally it depends on the Guy if I can make multiple sales without making an effort I will. But if I need to make that money and the Guy thinks I don't like him I'm gonna start acting like I do. Hands down I make more money point blank selling the particular fantasy that the Guy wants, when your a dancer that's part of your job.
luscious sadie
08-22-2011, 10:23 AM
the point of my last note was that my quoting you had nothing to do with YOU but more to do with clarifying my position to other people in the thread who I had been debating with.
I feel you on your note though. There are times when I sit in the back and cuddle a guy and times where all I do is dance and times where all I do is play with the guys' hair and talk my head off. Individual sale is what makes money.
Optimist
08-22-2011, 02:43 PM
I have seen a girl really go at it to the point of moving her g string out of place as she rubs herself. It's NOT simulated touching it's ACTUAL touching back in the couch dance room. She puts her back to her customer and puts her leg up and rubs one out for the other men with other dancers to see and hit her up for dances afterward. She still has up and down days even though she does this and charges rock bottom for her VIPs. She could work a lot smarter by developing better conversation skills, learning who to target for dances, working on her patience and flexibility in relating to the wide array of folks we deal with. It's kind of shrill and desperate as moves go.
I don't care for it personally and I think it belongs in a sex show/peep show environment not a strip club. Peep shows are for putting on sex shows with insertion, masturbation etc. Strip clubs aren't. It seems completely inappropriate to me.
Aslinn
08-22-2011, 03:26 PM
the point of my last note was that my quoting you had nothing to do with YOU but more to do with clarifying my position to other people in the thread who I had been debating with.
I feel you on your note though. There are times when I sit in the back and cuddle a guy and times where all I do is dance and times where all I do is play with the guys' hair and talk my head off. Individual sale is what makes money.
Ohhhh okay Sorry I was reading it and was like wtf did I do to her lmao