View Full Version : Guys who go in alone vs guys in group question
floridamail
12-23-2011, 07:41 PM
Again I continue to be utterly confused. Can you explain this to us in simpler terms Florida? I'm blonde and unbeleavable is a body builder...so we're extra stupid. Please do share your rich "con" technique. How does this help dancers exactly?
At a resturant in longboat key,Fl,will get back to you.
unbeleavable
12-23-2011, 07:43 PM
......lolllllllll
unbeleavable
12-23-2011, 07:54 PM
Take notes...thats wingman....
lopaw
12-23-2011, 08:05 PM
As a customer, I HATE groups. I prefer solo anyday. I've never had a good experience while clubbing in groups. I can see why some dancers are hesitant to approach them - it's all alcohol-infused, liquid bravado and mob mentality.
I usually have to do some repair/damage control on follow-up visits because of said group's asinine behaviour.
And reading about this "alpha" crap made me pull up my pant legs abit higher so as not to get any shit on my Levi's.
misskittylaminx
12-24-2011, 08:11 AM
Not a random dude,hes well known to the dancers. Fantasy,nope pulled it off a number of times in Tampa and Sarasota. Check the above post,the dancer IDS the alpha,why do you think she did that? Never mind,she knows that the leader will instill confidence in the men to go forward and open up their wallets.
What YOU do Sounds like pimping to me.
Why would random men in their OWN group consider YOU their alpha male. The poster that I replied to was talking about identifying the alpha male in a group of men that come in together. Why would you randomly join and take over (become the alpha male) a group of grown men? And have the people who WORK at the club basically give you a fucking tip out for it? AND drinks? :O
We are not lions. We're people. It does not work like that.
Cheo_D
12-24-2011, 10:12 AM
As a consistent solo visitor, I have to say I've felt well treated by dancers in general. I guess if I were in a group that would lend itself to issues of "hey, wait, where's Herb - is he still at VIP? Is Art still bogarting the really hot girl? Waitamminnit, who ordered a third bottle?" OTOH a designated driver could also fulfill the role of the one clearheaded guy, who stops you before you become the next news story about an unexplained $25,000 tab...;)
I get what fm is saying, in another post I noticed how I'll see a dead stage, go up and tip a girl, and then other men will follow suit. Some men need that first guy to break the ice, so they can follow or just remind them 'hey, a girl is dancing naked up there!'. I just never seen the scenario played out the way he said.
Right. Figuring out "well, SOMEONE has to make the first move" and when that someone might as well be you, is just part of basic social skills and has been so for a long time. But when someone piles on top of that a whole lot of pseudoscientific behavioral theory babble (from "alpha male" up to and including 45 degree angle turns - really?) from the PUA world, the quack alarms tend to ring.
yoda57us
12-24-2011, 10:18 AM
Alpha Shmalpha. ITC the male is either a target or he's in the way...
slowpoke
12-26-2011, 08:53 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__E2qdGir-wc/TL2xOeeNkSI/AAAAAAAAAQM/IxEyEM4Gwvg/s1600/psych-supp-peanuts.jpg
William Folds
12-26-2011, 11:40 AM
:rotfl: if some random ass dude came over and started acting like a shot caller there would be a beat down pretty damn quick
yoda57us
12-26-2011, 12:10 PM
:rotfl: if some random ass dude came over and started acting like a shot caller there would be a beat down pretty damn quick
Actually it's more than likely that said random ass dude would just get ignored. I have a hunch that post #32 of this thread is a reality that exists only in the mind of the guy who posted it. If he actually knows of such a club where the dancers are that pathetically reliant on a wise-ass customer to help them earn a living I'd like the name of it so I can avoid it if I happen to find myself in the area...
KS_Stevia
12-26-2011, 01:01 PM
I'm still interested to hear what he has to say. I mean, there were club regulars/managers/bouncers/waitresses/hosts/owners/etc that I was friendly with that would have spender friends in sometime, and they would recommend me and call me over to dance. But aside from that, me and every stripper I know all made our money from directly approaching and being approached.
unbeleavable
12-26-2011, 01:43 PM
I think the word Hustle gets thrown around so much some people don't know the meaning.
yoda57us
12-26-2011, 02:43 PM
I'm still interested to hear what he has to say. I mean, there were club regulars/managers/bouncers/waitresses/hosts/owners/etc that I was friendly with that would have spender friends in sometime, and they would recommend me and call me over to dance. But aside from that, me and every stripper I know all made our money from directly approaching and being approached.
I agree KS, I see the sort of thing you are talking about quite often. What I don't see is a Svengali orchestrating dancer movement and approaches. I think this guy is full of it and I also think he is being intentionally vague in his writing style while spinning his yarn...
yoda57us
12-26-2011, 02:47 PM
I think the word Hustle gets thrown around so much some people don't know the meaning.
I agree but it's also about context. I prefer to use the word scam when I talk about dancers who out-and-out lie to customers but some folks use the word hustle in the Redford/Newman/Sting sort of sense to mean a calculated deception.
In the SC true hustling means working the room and making your money, not leaving anything on the floor.
unbeleavable
12-26-2011, 03:16 PM
Yoda, I had a female friend that could smell money & she was just a friend, worked with my ex. I asked her one time when we were out drinking, why she played the game the way she did? Her response " if he feels the need to use money to feel like the man, I'm just doing my role" Perfect answer....I'm just doing my part to make you feel good$$$$$
Kessler
12-27-2011, 03:23 AM
I agree but it's also about context. I prefer to use the word scam when I talk about dancers who out-and-out lie to customers but some folks use the word hustle in the Redford/Newman/Sting sort of sense to mean a calculated deception.
In the SC true hustling means working the room and making your money, not leaving anything on the floor.
Love the def of hustle here. Question: you've mentioned in past posts that you don't like head games - would you consider that scam, hustle or semantics?
yoda57us
12-27-2011, 07:27 AM
Love the def of hustle here. Question: you've mentioned in past posts that you don't like head games - would you consider that scam, hustle or semantics?
LOL, I guess I have to define what I consider head games in order to answer that. Being nice to me in the club, complimenting me (even if it's BS) is part of the sales pitch, part of a girl's hustle. I have no problem with that even if I do have to roll my eyes sometimes at some of the stuff that girls say.
OTOH, Telling me, when you give me your number, that you want to go out with me is scamming. We both know that when I call or text you are going to ask me when I'm coming to the club to see you again.
There's always a bit of semantics involved because different folks do use these words differently. For the sake of conversation here I try to be clear about the differences in my mind-which often leads to some very wordy posts! In the club a lot of it is instinct. TOO has said it many times and he's absolutely right. When it comes to anything OTC the ladies do the choosing and you will know that it's real.
Edited to add this link...THIS is scamming
http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?p=2270387#post2270387
Kessler
12-28-2011, 03:13 AM
^Wow... Just... Wow. Hadn't read that post yet. I woulda walked out. Nice to see the dancers on here called her out.
rickdugan
12-29-2011, 06:57 PM
As a customer, I HATE groups. I prefer solo anyday. I've never had a good experience while clubbing in groups.
Yup.
For the first time in a very long while, I went to a club last night with a friend. He was like an anchor - it really fucked up my gig. We were also approached routinely by pairs of girls trying to run the classic "let's party" hustle.
I won't be doing that again anytime soon.
yoda57us
12-29-2011, 07:44 PM
^ A long time ago I used to go with a couple of friends. I was still married but they were both single. I was actually embarrassed at how easily they both allowed themselves to be fleeced by dancer after dancer as they tried in vein to pick-up strippers. I stopped going with them-at first because they were always broke and I still had money since I was spending responsibly but eventually I just realized that male bonding really has no place in a strip club...
unbeleavable
12-29-2011, 08:17 PM
I would think the only time a group would be good is if business was going on & a deal needs to be closed.