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DevonSantos
08-25-2010, 11:30 PM
I hear what you are saying Devon. I was just pointing out that you didn't have to prove your age on the tube sites. A 10 year old can hit a button that says "yes, I'm 18 & wish to enter"
It just doesn't make any sense to me why they wouldn't enforce things better on mfc. I mean, don't they realise the consequences? Why would they risk a shut down?
I guess I'm just feeling a bit let down at the moment. When I first found sw and was looking through all the posts, mfc sounded like a great place to make some good cash. I signed up, but haven't logged on yet. Now the last few days, I've seen nothing but bad comments about mfc. Guess I'll just do what I always do and see for myself.
I really do appreciate all the useful info from you ladies though. I wish I had found sw a long time ago, if only for the motivation
I would tell any model to try the site out for herself and if you have not made your financial goal within a weeks time then you should find another site to cam for. Alot of models ''try'' MFC but alot of models don't make it. When I say ''don't make it'', thats a double edged sword. You cannot stay in the top rows on MFC unless your camscore is high and it won't take but a day or two in order for it to reach a high score if members like you. Some models do NOT care about scores, ratings, etc....they just want to make some cash to make ends meet. I will tell you that NONE of the top pornstars on MFC have ever made Miss MFC because they dont cam much yet their camscores remain super high. This is rigged. Which goes to show that you can really cheat the system and place yourself in the top 20 if its that important to you. Models like Sunny and Aria have hugely successful sites that they rely on as well as magazine shoots and contracts that make them wealthy, NOT MFC. They just use MFC to promote their brands which in return makes them the bulk of their income. Use MFC, don't let MFC use YOU! If you are NOT promoting anything more than just cam shows then you would do just fine on any cam site that doesn't offer the mandatory free chat platform of MFC. Even if you do NOT own an official site, fucking SELL SOMETHING! Whether its panties, posters, videos, or photos. Do not just rely on cash from privates and all others when you can maximize your income from doing so much more. Take advantage and try MFC for yourself! (Good Luck and Happy Camming)!

DevonSantos
08-25-2010, 11:43 PM
I hear what you are saying Devon. I was just pointing out that you didn't have to prove your age on the tube sites. A 10 year old can hit a button that says "yes, I'm 18 & wish to enter"
It just doesn't make any sense to me why they wouldn't enforce things better on mfc. I mean, don't they realise the consequences? Why would they risk a shut down?
I guess I'm just feeling a bit let down at the moment. When I first found sw and was looking through all the posts, mfc sounded like a great place to make some good cash. I signed up, but haven't logged on yet. Now the last few days, I've seen nothing but bad comments about mfc. Guess I'll just do what I always do and see for myself.
I really do appreciate all the useful info from you ladies though. I wish I had found sw a long time ago, if only for the motivation

Yes. A teenager can access free porn online from tube sites BUT after the child has pressed the button after being clearly notified of the disclaimer and the content associated with the site, it is then the viewers responsibility, NOT the website. It is the parents job to protect their children from adult sites, NOT the sites themselves. Parents can stop their children from watching porn by keeping the computers in their room or setting up parental controls while having the internet installed. So yes, there are ways of preventing children from accessing adult sites.

malayataylor
08-26-2010, 03:53 AM
Devon is on point.


This.
This is what I was getting to earlier.

Check out then go to At least shufuni had the decency to put up a disclaimer. Even thought my daughter is only 2. I still child proof my pc (locking my pc and not allowing porn sites to show without a password) I don't see how a normal person would think a child watching porn was ok BUT there are seriously some sick people in this woRLD. Sure I'm in the adult industry but that's why it's called the ADULT industry.. kids have no part in this business.

Bambalina
08-26-2010, 06:05 AM
Tube sites are completely different from cam sites. Tube sites are not liable for the content that is uploaded to their server the ''owner'' of the content is which is why the site is liable for only keeping strict records of the ip addresses and emails accounts that upload the content cause if there is anything uploaded ''illegal'' then law enforcement can get in contact with the original owner. Which is why before you upload content to those sites, you must sign up with your email address.

What you say here is absolutely true, but isn't germaine to the argument presented Devon. Tube sites have already been through court and it's been shown that they are DEFINITELY responsible for what is on their servers as an overall mix. `So while you are correct that if someone uploads one underage video, or even one user uploads 10 underage videos, that USER is liable and not the tube site. But as in Youtube, which was allowing many many users to upload Viacom content, they got pinched for it and had to send out demand letters and so on. So, Redtube which states on the site it IS for adult content, cannot later claim they were not responsible for adult content being there. We aren't talking about illegal videos here, we're talking about completely legal videos, being watched by underage people, which is not legal. Since we are also talking about te same thing on MFC, legal video of girls masturbating or whatever, being watched by those that cannot legally watch it. So, I have to respectfully disagree and say that TinaLayne is absolutely correct in her assertion.

I don't really want to jump back into a silly argument about MFC and I won't do that. I only commented here because I actually did time in Entertainment Copyright and Trademark Law classes (only two) that covered Content Responsibility. So, there's quite a bit more to it than just common carrier status or not. So, to knowingly open a Tube site which caters to adult materials, and then claim you had no idea adult materials are there and are fully the user's responsibility would NEVER wash in court, and I think we all know that.

Last thing I will say on the subject, is that to compare strip clubs being shut down to a WEBSITE being shut down is the real apples to oranges comparison. Websites are not "shut down all the time" unless they break some pretty egregious laws like child porn and such. As someone said earlier, and many of us know, iFriends was busted for hiring underage Models who were performing hardcore sex acts, and guess what...iFriends cleaned up their act AFTER the bust and they are still in business. So getting "shut down" is a really intense step which almost never happens, especially for violations which are considered rampant across the internet sex industry. MFC could easily claim selective prosecution, and point out at least 100 other sites across different genres that allow minors access to adult content. This was my point earlier. I don't feel MFC does anything which you can claim to be morally offended by, and then still go to any other NUDE camsite and say there is a difference in anything but quantity. I agree that MFC has MORE girls doing MORE, but I cannot think of any camsites that my 13 year nephew cannot go to and see naked breasts, and often naked vagina and less often masturbation. MFC is just much more blatant about it all. So, to me picking that out is just personal taste. I cannot fault Malaya because her personal sense of taste is offended by MFC, nor can I claim that she is "wrong" for feeling uncomfortable having dealings with the site. Those are her ideas and opinions. But so are predictions of shut-down for MFC. There is no legal action which we can point to on the public record which shows the site to be in imminent peril of shut-down. I would even go so far as to say that the MUCH more likely course would be a fine being levied, and the site putting up a disclaimer page as discussed up there. Or EVEN starting to require you to sign up for a Basic and closing down the Guest structure. All of which leaves the MFC structure essentially intact. I also believe they are laughing up their sleeves (as well as all the way to the bank) knowing they have gotten away with the Guest structure thusfar without getting fined or warned to change it. I believe they knew when they opened the site that sooner or later they would be forced to remove the guest structure from the site, but are riding it out as long as possible, and in a business sense, it is one of the most intelligent moves made by ANY cam site EVER. It has brought them a HUGE membership base that I think goes beyond any other camsite that has existed out there. THAT is MY opinion. Do I think it is ethical or moral? Probably not so much...but again, that is a matter of opinion. Many people have an opinion that what I have done in my life is immoral, harmful in some way, exploitive of women, etc. And I believe every woman here is "guilty" of the same thing, in the sense that there are those who carry an OPINION about us. So, I try to never judge based on opinion.

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Bambalina
08-26-2010, 06:34 AM
Overall, I see the arguments above as kind of wasting everyone's time. It's ok if y'all wanna waste time that way. But as Malaya and I were saying earlier, maybe our time could be better spent in discussing ways to make more money on MFC here, (in the MFC thread) rather than going back and forth about Morality questions. We're here to make fat bank, not argue morality. I actually laugh that strippers and camgirls and escorts and so on would sit and argue morality whilst living under the umbrella of hundreds of thousands looking down on them, and other millions thinking they are sinners destined for hell.

So anyway, why not ditch this, and we'll all see what MFC does and it will be part of the ongoing and wonderful soap-opera that being in the adult industry is all about. Lets get to the money making and the ins and outs of those who LOVE MFC discussing how they make fat bank there.

I started it by inadvertantly "calling out" Malaya on her dislike of MFC, and for that I apologize. But to now have a thread that degenerates into arguments about why MFC will be shut down or not, and chicken-littling the people who LOVE working MFC, is a waste of time.

Seriously...if you can show that there is an ongoing investigation of MFC by law enforcement, PLEASE, show us where that is discussed or documented. If you have seen a court proceeding, or a fine levied, or anything else, please, share. But otherwise, MFC is there and has been doing what it does for a LONG time and the authorities have not cared as far as we can tell. I realize that you look at it in incredulity and think "No way this can just go on, they HAVE to shut it down!" but alas, that is not how the law works, and unless there is an investigation or other law enforcement action, I think we have MUCH bigger fish to fry (see the thread I am just about to start).

My prediction, MFC will be just FINE. They may at some point need to put in a disclaimer, or even close the Guest function, but they will fight it tooth and nail for as absolutely long as they possibly can WITHOUT getting shut down....and then they will do what is necessary to stay open. That's my crystal ball, which is thusfar probably no less murky than anyone else's.

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Bambalina
08-26-2010, 06:41 AM
So, how do you guys use the Newsfeed function to your benefit? Lots of guys read it. Also, do you use the existence of the Lounge to your benefit? Sending one of your regulars who adore you into the lounge to announce your imminent Oil Show is a GREAT way to fill your room with Prems!

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Yuki*
08-26-2010, 06:53 AM
Keep in mind MFC isn't "officially" based out of the United States, so their own country would have to shut them down. It's the same problem as to why the US can't shutdown sites like Pir.ate.Bay. MFC most likely has servers here, but has a "main office" in the Netherlands.

Sites like iFriends are based in Florida!

If their own government doesn't step in the best the US could do would be to somehow go after the models (but the site probably wouldn't give up the information on them), or filter sites like these from our search engines/internet - which would cause a huge uproar/riots about human rights and consensual porn. If they did this it probably wouldn't be just MFC - all cam sites would be attacked.

TinaLayne
08-26-2010, 09:06 AM
Bambalina
Thanks for that idea about sending a regular into the lounge. I have some regulars on streamate that I know will follow me to mfc when I start on there so I will definately try that.

deedee at the beach
08-26-2010, 09:12 AM
i would tell any model to try the site out for herself and if you have not made your financial goal within a weeks time then you should find another site to cam for. Alot of models ''try'' mfc but alot of models don't make it. When i say ''don't make it'', thats a double edged sword. You cannot stay in the top rows on mfc unless your camscore is high and it won't take but a day or two in order for it to reach a high score if members like you. Some models do not care about scores, ratings, etc....they just want to make some cash to make ends meet. I will tell you that none of the top pornstars on mfc have ever made miss mfc because they dont cam much yet their camscores remain super high. This is rigged. Which goes to show that you can really cheat the system and place yourself in the top 20 if its that important to you. Models like sunny and aria have hugely successful sites that they rely on as well as magazine shoots and contracts that make them wealthy, not mfc. They just use mfc to promote their brands which in return makes them the bulk of their income. Use mfc, don't let mfc use you! If you are not promoting anything more than just cam shows then you would do just fine on any cam site that doesn't offer the mandatory free chat platform of mfc. Even if you do not own an official site, fucking sell something! Whether its panties, posters, videos, or photos. Do not just rely on cash from privates and all others when you can maximize your income from doing so much more. Take advantage and try mfc for yourself! (good luck and happy camming)!

^^^^love this!!!!!

Juliette25
08-26-2010, 09:17 AM
I've used the newsfeed while offline to let guys know what's in store for the night. I have noticed when I do this that it raises my camscore a bit. I'll also use it after I sign in to announce that I'm there and if doing a countdown will update when I'm close to my goal.

I have sent regulars to the lounge to bring in customers for me before and it has worked. The lounge passes me off for the most part though O feel it encourages freeloading.

Bambalina
08-26-2010, 10:48 AM
One really important thing to discuss here is that promotion is not about any one thing being right, just like no one camsite is perfect for all women. For example, Devon likes TGPs, and it's probably due to her experiencing success with her promotion using them. For me this reflects a lack for me in knowing where and what and how. We can surely all learn from Devon on the subject of TGPs, because for me they have always been SUPER low quality traffic. But that means she is doing something I'm not. If the TGP gets her two regular guys in the room who take her private and tip big, and they come back repeatedly, it doesn;t matter if it also brings in 20 beggers, because her bank is fat and she has been successful in promotion. I need to add that ability to my arsenal...

So, for example, the Lounge...it is a place full of mostly freeloaders, but a LOT of tippers go there because it's all Premiums and they can gossip about the women like regulars at Cheers. So if you can get your regs to go in and get them hyped on you, you'll see your room count go up 20-50, but in reality only one or two will tip or take you private, but for a successful night, that really is possibly all you need.

DevonSantos
08-26-2010, 11:02 AM
What you say here is absolutely true, but isn't germaine to the argument presented Devon. Tube sites have already been through court and it's been shown that they are DEFINITELY responsible for what is on their servers as an overall mix. `So while you are correct that if someone uploads one underage video, or even one user uploads 10 underage videos, that USER is liable and not the tube site. But as in Youtube, which was allowing many many users to upload Viacom content, they got pinched for it and had to send out demand letters and so on. So, Redtube which states on the site it IS for adult content, cannot later claim they were not responsible for adult content being there. We aren't talking about illegal videos here, we're talking about completely legal videos, being watched by underage people, which is not legal. Since we are also talking about te same thing on MFC, legal video of girls masturbating or whatever, being watched by those that cannot legally watch it. So, I have to respectfully disagree and say that TinaLayne is absolutely correct in her assertion.

I don't really want to jump back into a silly argument about MFC and I won't do that. I only commented here because I actually did time in Entertainment Copyright and Trademark Law classes (only two) that covered Content Responsibility. So, there's quite a bit more to it than just common carrier status or not. So, to knowingly open a Tube site which caters to adult materials, and then claim you had no idea adult materials are there and are fully the user's responsibility would NEVER wash in court, and I think we all know that.

Last thing I will say on the subject, is that to compare strip clubs being shut down to a WEBSITE being shut down is the real apples to oranges comparison. Websites are not "shut down all the time" unless they break some pretty egregious laws like child porn and such. As someone said earlier, and many of us know, iFriends was busted for hiring underage Models who were performing hardcore sex acts, and guess what...iFriends cleaned up their act AFTER the bust and they are still in business. So getting "shut down" is a really intense step which almost never happens, especially for violations which are considered rampant across the internet sex industry. MFC could easily claim selective prosecution, and point out at least 100 other sites across different genres that allow minors access to adult content. This was my point earlier. I don't feel MFC does anything which you can claim to be morally offended by, and then still go to any other NUDE camsite and say there is a difference in anything but quantity. I agree that MFC has MORE girls doing MORE, but I cannot think of any camsites that my 13 year nephew cannot go to and see naked breasts, and often naked vagina and less often masturbation. MFC is just much more blatant about it all. So, to me picking that out is just personal taste. I cannot fault Malaya because her personal sense of taste is offended by MFC, nor can I claim that she is "wrong" for feeling uncomfortable having dealings with the site. Those are her ideas and opinions. But so are predictions of shut-down for MFC. There is no legal action which we can point to on the public record which shows the site to be in imminent peril of shut-down. I would even go so far as to say that the MUCH more likely course would be a fine being levied, and the site putting up a disclaimer page as discussed up there. Or EVEN starting to require you to sign up for a Basic and closing down the Guest structure. All of which leaves the MFC structure essentially intact. I also believe they are laughing up their sleeves (as well as all the way to the bank) knowing they have gotten away with the Guest structure thusfar without getting fined or warned to change it. I believe they knew when they opened the site that sooner or later they would be forced to remove the guest structure from the site, but are riding it out as long as possible, and in a business sense, it is one of the most intelligent moves made by ANY cam site EVER. It has brought them a HUGE membership base that I think goes beyond any other camsite that has existed out there. THAT is MY opinion. Do I think it is ethical or moral? Probably not so much...but again, that is a matter of opinion. Many people have an opinion that what I have done in my life is immoral, harmful in some way, exploitive of women, etc. And I believe every woman here is "guilty" of the same thing, in the sense that there are those who carry an OPINION about us. So, I try to never judge based on opinion.

B

I'm the one that said it so I do know what I'm talking about. As for the remainder of this post, I do NOT know what you are talking about.

DevonSantos
08-26-2010, 11:20 AM
OMG! You guys are so cute!!! I love you all SO much! This thread like blew up in my face, and all because I was busy the last few days and haven't caught up. So...

First and foremost, I want to say that I don't post all that often unless I have something to say. Otherwise, I have to point out that this Newbie had been here A LOT longer than anyone posting on this thread...I registered here and have been checking in and reading here since 2006. So Newbie? It may say that because my post count is low, but I think not.

Secondly, I am affiliated with the Promotions company, and so I considered it spam to post it in here. Secondly, a real AE Promotions Company is a really serious and intense thing, and is pretty involved, and so it doesn't do you much good unless they are traveling in your area, because they need photoshoots and Video and so on, and if they are worth anything they do all that.

Overall, I see the CamGirl and WebGirl world as comparable but worse than the acting or modeling world as Malaya and many others can attest. There are "Modeling Agencies" out there and they take young girls and charge them for EVERYTHING and never even really get them any jobs or do anything useful. Same holds true in acting...TONS of "Managers" that exist solely to make money from the model and not a percentage of profits. So, whatever the promise is, NEVER any money upfront. Not a DIME. If a promotions company wants to handle you, they will work on percentage based commission, and they will provide a general gameplan for how they will promote you. But you also sign a non-disclosure for a lot of what they do, because it's proprietary..In other words they are letting you in on the Magic...so to speak.

All that being said, I really only know of one real promotions company. I got lucky. Now about half my job is doing some promotions for them and helping other girls. That is why I don't post names and places, because it would be a conflict of interest and I would consider it to be spamming. If you want to know more, write me.

Now, ALL that having been said, my original point is that if you go look even at most of the TOP girls on MFC, they are promoting Inside Out...in other words, they promote their site using MFC, they promote their panties using MFC, they promote their Video using MFC...but MFC is a HUGE paypoint and those who diss on it just haven't got a clue. $7k-$10k weekly is VERY possible. Shit, I watched KristyLive make almost a thousand dollars in 15 minutes yesterday. I'm no where NEAR as good as the people who promoted me, and even >I< could probably double her money.

So, number one piece of advice...be creative and promote yourself. Outside In, not Inside Out...Drive people to your cam room, not the other way around. LISTEN to the ladies on here who have some promotional skillz. Malaya and Minnie and the blogs that help with promotions. This place IS invaluable. A lot of what a professional promoter does is discussed here, some is not, the major mojo so to speak. But you can use the tips on here and TRIPLE your money if you're smart about it.

I've done some web design, as have many of us who want to do a lot for ourselves, and I learned quickly that an EXTREMELY pretty website with 0 promotion is like sticking a Billboard up in the middle of the desert. If no-one knows to come there, it's a pretty doorstop, nothing more. Promotion is everything.

So think...who are the guys with money who want to see you naked? Where are they on the net? How do you get them into your cam room? How do you get a whole BUNCH at once in your cam room? Don;t rely on MFC because they wouldn't give two shits for you after an Ex-lax cocktail. They are in business for VOLUME, and that means thousands of guys, SPREAD over all their girls, and to be honest, the top 50 make 80%+ of the revenue on MFC (best guess), that's why they can fuck themselves with a dildo every single night on open cam and never get fined, but poor lil 2000 camscore girl screws up once and the fine is smacked down. So don;t rely on MFC or Jasmin or any of them to promote YOU...they will promote the site as a whole and that helps you some (rising tide lifts all boats), but YOU need to worry about YOU.

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Ok then, so why don't you? What is holding you back from making double the money KristyLive makes if you have this promotions company backing you? You step into this thread stating that you ''cheat'' yet you you are not making KristyLive money. Im confused! So what is your explanation?

malayataylor
08-26-2010, 11:29 AM
Bambalina made 20k last week so I'm guessing she's already up there Devon.*Shrugs* Yeah something's not adding up.

Shoooot all power to you ladies. I know what I make a week escorting AND camming and it AIN'T 20K a week. 20K a week I don't think I'd have time for stripperweb :)

DevonSantos
08-26-2010, 11:40 AM
Well, TGP has its place, but I definitely would not agree that it is even close to the secret of success. TGP traffic (and I can give you many many sources of this not just being opinion) is some of the least targeted in terms of Paying Customers and is considered by many webmasters to be "junk traffic", as well as the very nature of TGP appealing to broke motherfuckers who don't want to spend a dime for their porn. This then leads to the antithesis of the traffic you desire, since it brings more beggers and hecklers and jerks than men with cash in their pockets, ready to spend.



Now here I agree with Devon 100%. Even though the free tube sites are FREE, and so don't promote as many customers with money as I'd want, they do generally bring better traffic than TGP, and Vids work.



As I said, NEVER pay out of pocket for anything! Great that you re-iterate that Devon! Anyone who ever asks you for money from your pocket to promote you, is a SCAM. They should also, like the promo company I went with offer some sort of protection in the contract (the one I went with guaranteed to double your in pocket income within 45-60 days, and to have a named site with major traffic initiatives up within 30 days) that you KNOW they will be WORKING for you and not just being like the "Studios" that sign you up on Streamate and collect half your money.

Generally, promotion is a question of style, and what works for you. I enjoyed having someone do it ALL for me for 18 months, and teach me stuff, and then more or less hire me as well, especially considering I made 5 times the money within about 60 days. That was very nice. But you absolutely CAN do it yourself, and I promise you that while the AE Promo people do it best, you can definitely double your money pretty quickly.



MFC cheating IS a problem, especially when they had the whole 4Chan bring a friend debacle. Be fair though Devon, any place that has rankings of any kind based on earnings and such has that problem. Most Camsites have some way to cheat the system in one way or another, and let's face it, MFC pays out MORE than 50% of the money. Other than indy sites, how many do that?

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Ok then ''what'' is the secret to success Bambalina? You mentioned, in your opinion, ''that TGP's are not even close'' yet you don't offer any resolutions besides suggesting that models dig into their pockets, cheat, and hire a so called AE promotions company to promote their cam shows. Once again, Im confused by your post. You mentioned that you hired an AE company then you turn around and say that models shouldnt pay out of pocket for promotion.

DevonSantos
08-26-2010, 12:17 PM
Boobster.com is a top site that relies heavily on TGP galleries sent to him from webcam models so please DO NOT tell me that TGP galleries are junk traffic when that site alone boosted my Ifriends fanclub and all I sent him was 3 sets of topless cam photos that converted into paying members and highly increased my traffic as well as my overall earnings. I love that on Ifriends you can view exactly where your traffic is coming from in your ''traffic stats'' area and Boobster.com is #1 on my traffic leads while TaylorSteven's friendlist is #2 in my traffic results. I also post links to backup any suggestions or claims that I may have in regards to my camming success. I DO NOT mention having success with promotion without giving models something to refer to. You claim that TGP's are NOT the secret to success, so since you are so successful Bambalina, please let us how we can be successful as you are.

Bambalina
08-26-2010, 05:32 PM
Boobster.com is a top site that relies heavily on TGP galleries sent to him from webcam models so please DO NOT tell me that TGP galleries are junk traffic when that site alone boosted my Ifriends fanclub and all I sent him was 3 sets of topless cam photos that converted into paying members and highly increased my traffic as well as my overall earnings. I love that on Ifriends you can view exactly where your traffic is coming from in your ''traffic stats'' area and Boobster.com is #1 on my traffic leads while TaylorSteven's friendlist is #2 in my traffic results. I also post links to backup any suggestions or claims that I may have in regards to my camming success. I DO NOT mention having success with promotion without giving models something to refer to. You claim that TGP's are NOT the secret to success, so since you are so successful Bambalina, please let us how we can be successful as you are.

Nope, I made a HUGE mistake deciding to actually say anything at all. You guys are right. I am no-one, I make $12 a week. I am just going to go back and lurk again.

I do not respond well to hostility, and I distinctly feel that. So, I'm going to bow out and allow you guys to discuss as you see fit.

Let's be clear here. I signed a contract that gives my AE Promo company 25% of everything they bring in for me. I have never given them a single dime from my pocket, my outside endeavors, etc. They get a percentage of what they do for me. THAT is how promotion is supposed to work.

Also, I would give some tips here, and I could have helped you guys make more money. But in NO WAY would I ever violate my Non-disclosure and say anything that is proprietary. EVERY good promotion company has a Non-disclosure with their girls, and I for one would not jeopardize my living to gain favor here. Sorry. Some stuff I can discuss, and other stuff not.

So, for now, I will again go back into lurk mode. Love you all and fantastic luck to you.

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DevonSantos
08-26-2010, 05:45 PM
Nope, I made a HUGE mistake deciding to actually say anything at all. You guys are right. I am no-one, I make $12 a week. I am just going to go back and lurk again.

I do not respond well to hostility, and I distinctly feel that. So, I'm going to bow out and allow you guys to discuss as you see fit.

Let's be clear here. I signed a contract that gives my AE Promo company 25% of everything they bring in for me. I have never given them a single dime from my pocket, my outside endeavors, etc. They get a percentage of what they do for me. THAT is how promotion is supposed to work.

Also, I would give some tips here, and I could have helped you guys make more money. But in NO WAY would I ever violate my Non-disclosure and say anything that is proprietary. EVERY good promotion company has a Non-disclosure with their girls, and I for one would not jeopardize my living to gain favor here. Sorry. Some stuff I can discuss, and other stuff not.

So, for now, I will again go back into lurk mode. Love you all and fantastic luck to you.

B
Are you bi-polar? I am asking this simply because of the way you went about making this post assuming that the models in this thread are being ''hostile''. If you had anything of importance to say or to contribute to this thread then you would simply state your claim and leave it be. I am sure models that are really interested in your so called ''AE program'' will message you for more details but no need to go off on the radar as if we are being ''hostile'' towards you. We welcome every model cause every model has something to say but out of nowhere you make these claims that you cheat and ''hired'' an AE company to promote yet you then turn around and state that models shouldn't pay for promotion. Then, of all things, you simply state in another thread that you just recently made 20,000 off the use of Craigslist last week yet you do not explain nor elaborate on how you accumulated the amount that you stated. Models don't know if you were using the site for webcamming or escorting, and if you are using the site to promote your webcam business then why are you heavily suggesting that models hire an AE company to represent them when models can just post their own content on CG and make 20K like you claim you did? You are not making sense and none of your posts are adding up to your claims which leads me to ask you ''Are you bi-polar''? Cause you simply went from being ''professional'' to being ''emotional'' for no reason.

TinaLayne
08-26-2010, 09:07 PM
I kinda feel bad now for posting on this thread. I was merely thinking out loud and it seems we are now all on the verge of freak out mode lol. We are here to HELP each other, are we not?
All you ladies on here have helped me out in one way or another...tips, motivation, etc and I thank all of you for the info. I took a quick look at boobster and I think I might eventually post some pics on there. If it doesn't get me traffic, that's fine, but I won't know until I give it a shot. I'm also hoping to drag some of my "friends" from fetlife.com over to mfc. I've had a lot of them visit me on streamate (not that I'm leaving streamate). Anyway...I say we get back to the fun parts and make some freakin cash.l

DevonSantos
08-26-2010, 09:16 PM
I kinda feel bad now for posting on this thread. I was merely thinking out loud and it seems we are now all on the verge of freak out mode lol. We are here to HELP each other, are we not?
All you ladies on here have helped me out in one way or another...tips, motivation, etc and I thank all of you for the info. I took a quick look at boobster and I think I might eventually post some pics on there. If it doesn't get me traffic, that's fine, but I won't know until I give it a shot. I'm also hoping to drag some of my "friends" from fetlife.com over to mfc. I've had a lot of them visit me on streamate (not that I'm leaving streamate). Anyway...I say we get back to the fun parts and make some freakin cash.l

Boobster.com is the SHIT!!!!!!!

TinaLayne
08-26-2010, 09:29 PM
Only problem is...I don't exactly have the "boobs" lol
I'm a 34a cup & I hate it. But I'm 34 so I don't see a boob job in my future. Fuck it, I've made it this far with tiny tits, might as well live it out ;D

Bambalina
08-26-2010, 11:42 PM
Are you bi-polar? I am asking this simply because of the way you went about making this post assuming that the models in this thread are being ''hostile''. If you had anything of importance to say or to contribute to this thread then you would simply state your claim and leave it be. I am sure models that are really interested in your so called ''AE program'' will message you for more details but no need to go off on the radar as if we are being ''hostile'' towards you. We welcome every model cause every model has something to say but out of nowhere you make these claims that you cheat and ''hired'' an AE company to promote yet you then turn around and state that models shouldn't pay for promotion. Then, of all things, you simply state in another thread that you just recently made 20,000 off the use of Craigslist last week yet you do not explain nor elaborate on how you accumulated the amount that you stated. Models don't know if you were using the site for webcamming or escorting, and if you are using the site to promote your webcam business then why are you heavily suggesting that models hire an AE company to represent them when models can just post their own content on CG and make 20K like you claim you did? You are not making sense and none of your posts are adding up to your claims which leads me to ask you ''Are you bi-polar''? Cause you simply went from being ''professional'' to being ''emotional'' for no reason.
Asking someone you hardly know if they are bi-polar. Not hostile at all. The person in the other thread who uses "she" in quotes, not hostile at all, the questioning tone of your posts is just sweetness and light. I just don;t feel that I want to be rewarded for the tips I give (which I already have done some of) with questioning and distrust. Not worth it for me. As Malaya and I said, I'm not here to explain myself and my business, nor defend myself, my morals, or anything else. I am here to share tips equally for maiking bank as a camchick.

The comment about $20k didn't come across as I intended, which was tongue in cheek, slightly sarcastic and joking...It was intended as a "I do quite well there" so sorry I thought you guys did too. So no, I didn't make $20k in 7 days. However, I bank well on CL with several things and think the traffic works great for panty sales for example, or for videos, or for online money slaves...and I HAVE made close to $20k or at least $15k in a week or so there before. So, I was making a point, but not actually saying it as an exact number. So imagine my consternation when suddenly it is all taken as if I am boasting and that I actually am serious that I made $20,000 in 7 days. And I realize, it was ME...100%....everyone took it that way. But in my head saying it as I wrote it, it was clearly said tongue in cheek. Sigh.

I'm REALLY bad at typing my feelings. I'm AS GOOD at speaking in person and sharing myself, as I am BAD at typing it. I say something in my head and the joking silly tone comes across, and then I type it and the other person reads it like I am pissed or real serious and then there's problems.

So what you take as me freaking out or being "bi-polar" is actually just experience telling me this forum typing thing won't work out yet again. Why the hell do guys think I have been here for 4 years and was a newbie till today??? I obviously have SOME cred and know what I am talking about to some degree, so why would I be here 4 years and not talk? Because I'm the opposite of the person who can't speak in public but can hand in papers like a goddess. again, sigh...

This is the third time I've tried to write THIS message. Get it?

Ok...so. If you feel that your tone is NOT hostile, then I also don't READ you right. "anything to contribute" "so called" "being emotional", and then go back and read your last three posts, which concerned ME, and they are all overtly questioning, inferring something nefarious, and at least have an undercurrent of hostility. If you don't see it, then it just underlines why I should shut up and lurk.

Anyway...the word cheat was used to denote that I didn't promote myself, but let a professional company do it. Not that I cheat in any meaningful way which hurts anyone. I don't think I ever said ALL models should hire an AE Promo Company. Please show me that? In fact I didn't post the company, nor have I shared it in E-mail for fear of JUST THIS, and an inference that I am spamming. You also seem to have mis-read, (or I completely flubbed and mis-wrote, I'd love be shown, so I could learn) what I said about models promoting themselves and not paying for promotion. What I believe I repeatedly said was that models should not pay UPFRONT or Out of Pocket. I stand by this. Signing a contract to give a company 25% or even some other percentage, of the money THEY make for you, is not the same as paying them upfront for services not yet rendered.

Also, the reality is that I know things about AE Promo that you guys don't. First and foremost, unlike a "studio" in the US, which normally has no actual officespace or anything, and so can hire 1000 girls since they just steal a percentage and sign you up on Streamate, AE Promo is REALLY hard work. Imagine ALL the tips you post on here, and then add like 200 other things that you're doing to promote someone, and you'll see that a company with 3 or 4 employees can only take on 10-20 girls. So you're right, only the best and brightest (so to speak) get in. Do I think I qualified? NO WAY! But that doesn't matter, because THEY did. Also, since AE Promotion is personal, you have to be where the AE promoter is. Notice my location? Guess what I do now for a living? NOT camming anymore. I promote, for a living. Myself to some degree, but other women as well. Anyway, I have to be in your town and getting custom pictures and doing photo-sessions and
video and helping you buy panties and so on and so forth. So if you are in Vancouver...well, I'm in Florida right now. Too bad So Sad. Follow?

So the point of that is that MOST models need to promote themselves, because they will never end up with an AE Promo company. 1st because the limitations of the job of promotion are thus that only 10-15 can be promoted, and secondly because of location. Now do you see why I say I'm promoted and YOU should promote yourself? You can learn this stuff, especially the stuff that makes it easy to say, triple what you make now. I can even talk about a lot of that. But the rest comes with hard work, years of time invested and understanding the Google algorithm and Traffic and how to utilize the major traffic sources and such.

Now the part of this thread that makes me laugh the most. Was you and Malaya and a few others speaking of AE promotion in almost hushed tones of what it is and how it is this almost magical secret thing....>AE< Promotion......ooooOOooOOOOo...

Sweethearts, I just shortened Adult Entertainment Promotions to AE Promotions. It's not anything special. Unless you find the right people to do it for you. Then it's everything. But for now, the right person to do it for you, is YOU.

Now, pretty sure I'm going back to hibernation. Love y'all.

B

Bambalina
08-27-2010, 12:20 AM
Two other quick things need clearing up.

Why don't I make what the top girls on MFC make? Because I choose to live a lifestyle that is based on financial freedom. One in which I never have to work again and can sit around on here constantly and never do anything else if I so choose. To be those girls is not to be financially free, since their lifestyle REQUIRES them to work every day on a CamSite. That is closer to slavery than freedom. Secondly, I never said I can take anyone and have them make double what a 13k camscore girl makes. I said I can take a 13k camscore grl who doesn't promote herself outside-in all that well, and double her money. It's a TOTALLY different concept. If you are making $1000 now per week, I can make you $2000-$3000 and I will take 25% so you will end up with a raise within 4-6 weeks of 500-1250 depending on how you are willing to work with me. But if you are making $3000, I can double or triple THAT. See? But once all the Promotional tools are in play, you will hit a top-end that will always slowly rise, but will be REALLY slow.

As far as certain promotional tools, I will DIE before I tell them to anyone, as they are like a magician's secrets. Others, my clients learn after I trust them, and yet others I will share for free here because I love you all. But lets just say I type something in the next paragraph that can make any person on here $200 more per week...How much do you think I will be spontaneously sent? weekly...I think the answer is 0...So, I will keep that $200 secret under my hat.

Likewise, CraigsList. I opened my dumb mouth because I cannot imagine anyone thinking CraigsList is trash, just like you cannot imagine me thinking TGPs are dump traffic. I mean, people go on CraigsList to BUY things and expect to pay for sex services and panties and porn, however the very nature of a Thumbnail Gallery is that it is Free Pictures posted for those who will never spend a DIME on porn. Do they sometimes covert? Sure in my experience they convert at a very very low level. So I am willing to listen whilst you explain to me as your pupil how to work a TGP. If they convert for you, then I am doing it wrong.

Yet when I spoke of CraigsList, you all acted as if I'm a stupid fuckwad who was asking to save something completely worthless. Well guess what ladies? You don't know everything and there is HUGE money to be made with CraigsList, and instead of sitting down attentively as pupils, you picked at me, questioned who I am, and generally leapt on me with both feet for a statement I thought read clearly as tongue in cheek joking. As I said, my typing communications skills aren't great, but I still wasn't given the benefit of the doubt, or an overly welcoming attitude or anything short of distrust and yes, hostility.

Lastly, I took years to learn this stuff, and I believe spoonfeeding to be more harmful than good. I feel i have said enough in the last 2-3 days to help anyone who can read between the lines to double her income within a matter of weeks. I am not a Doctor or Promotions by ANY means, but I am definitely a graduate student, and one thing I learned WAY back at the beginning. You cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Those who cannot step back and say "this is what YOU are good at, and this is what I am good at, and I defer to you in this matter" (both ways) should always promote themselves.

One example here. If I was to work with someone, and they said "I won't work on MFC", I would then say that person would need to give me 40% of their earnings. Because they just made my job that much harder. Why? Because MFC is THAT much better than every other site out there for those who promote. Period. Every promoter I know believes this as truth, so there must be SOMETHING to it. We use other sites, but MFC gets you to the $40k per month Solo Pay Site if you play it right. So if I signed someone who won't work there, they are knowingly making my job MUCH harder, so they would have to pay for that.

Now, I can go hibernate I guess...Unless you're really sure you want to drag me back out of my cave...hehe.

B

Juliette25
08-27-2010, 12:33 AM
I'm totally doing the boobster.com thing. Thanks for posting about that Devon :D

malayataylor
08-27-2010, 04:43 AM
Ok I don't like this at all and I will keep my comments to myself before I get another infraction.. *sigh* fucking amazing yo!

Bambalina
08-27-2010, 06:36 AM
Ok I don't like this at all and I will keep my comments to myself before I get another infraction.. *sigh* fucking amazing yo!

Told you I'm seriously bad at this. Sooner or later you guys will listen to what I'm saying. I try to make peace and make people fee better, and you're obviously now pissed off.

Malaya, Whatever I said above, I'm REALLY sorry, if I hurt your feelings or made you mad or anything else. I'm really sorry. I'm just some chick. Forget me and move on. I don't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers. I'm just an outspoken blunt Chicago girl born and raised, who sticks her foot in her mouth whenever she gets on the net.

So, to ANYONE I offended or anyone who feels anger or hostility or hurt from my words. I am really sorry and I didn't mean to do that. I didn't come here at ALL to cause any strife or discord or anger, or anything. I came here to try to be of help and service and to try to work out ways we can truly improve things for all of us. We've gone far from that now, and I'm to blame...100%. If you guys are hostile in any way, I am surely either misreading it, or I caused it. So go back to the peaceful place, and I will go back to just reading you guys and lovin' on you from afar.

B

malayataylor
08-27-2010, 06:43 AM
heh.. I give up. Not worth my time. (Off to reading Devon's camming tips..)

Bambalina
08-27-2010, 08:01 AM
I'm pissed because I'm not learning anything from this and it's a pointless argument Bambalina. Obviously you make more money than I do. I make no where close to what you have said you make a week so I want you to teach me something I don't already know. I have read numerous very helpful posts/tips from Devon and I would like both you and her to continue posting. I want to learn more and more and more this is why I spend numerous hours on sw, to learn! I am a money hungry greedy bitch but I'm more knowledge hungry than anything. Both of you have posted some really helpful stuff keep it coming BUT please be consistent Bambalina! When you're not consistent no one believes what you say.


I will say this.. I'm more mad at those that post the same questions over and over again. This has been a healthy argument.

Well, you at least realize that SOME things will not be said, and you said as much in an earlier post. There's stuff I just won't say. Why? Because A> Some of it would cut my own throat (lots of the craigslist stuff for good example) and B> Because I have non-disclosure on much of it.

So for now, what I am trying to do is NOT what you and Devon do. We don't need more YOU and Devon, because we have You and Devon! (as well as a few other wonderful teachers here too).

So what is needed? Well, what I bring to the table is a bunch of non-disclosure and stuff, but what I feel I can add is honestly....I can teach you how to fish. You and Devon come up with these cool incredible things, and I learn from you two, no lie...but much of it is giving the hungry folk some fish to eat. I want to, as best as possible teach them to fish so they come up with their OWN fish and don't need to rely on anyone for fish. That is what I mean by not spoonfeeding the info.

You and I argued about MFC, but the MUCH bigger picture is the WHY of promotion on MFC. Screw whether I like it, or I would let my kid watch more stuff than you might, or whatever. Screw whether you hate it, or that you think it's going to be shut down. What needs to be looked at CLOSELY is WHY it is the favorite of all AE Promoters. I tried to explain that, and it just got brushed over. Go back and read what I said about WHY MFC, and you will see, there is "teaching you to fish" in there that has NOTHING to do with MFC per say. It is about the overall conditions of Promotion that one looks for in finding a perfect target for making money. So, I don't care whether you go on MFC in this lifetime or the next. You aren't my client, only (hopefully) a friend. What I care about is that for those who want to see, that they understand the reasons MFC is great for promotion. That allows them to evaluate Stream, Camz, iFriends, Camcontacts, etc. in a MUCH better light.

So let me re-iterate lesson number 1 which underlies EVERYTHING you teach here almost, and what Devon says about TGPs and so on.

If you are relying on the site you are on to provide your customers for you, of high wuality and ready to spend on you and make you money. You are doing it WRONG. The best camsite is not one where I can make $500 a week or $1000 a week without promotion, and is HARD to promote because the users NEED to leap through hoops to spend money on me. The Best camsite is one that provides me with enough customers to be a BASE, and to make me enough to JUST GET BY, but it pays me a REALLY high rate, and allows me to EASILY send outside people INTO my room and thus allows ME to control my traffic and my income and the composition of my room.

So, everything else aside...all biases dropped, where else other than MFC qualifies for this? (there ARE a few, but not many) It is extremely easy for me to take Joe Doofus off the internet with his card in his pocket and his hard-on in his pants, and have him, in 15 minutes, on MFC spending his money on my girls. It is MUCH harder on Jasmin, and what I get to keep is LOWER.

So, would I rather that MFC was a place where hey made their models follow the fucking rules and not insert dildos on open cams? ABSOLUTELY! Would I rather they had safe surfing in place all around? ABSOLUTELY! Do I think they would be wise t have a "guests blackout" function as well as a guest mute? ABSOLUTELY, and when we all finally get smart and hire someone to make us the perfect CamSite, we'll have all that. But for now, I can take a girl, and make fat bank at MFC MUCH easier than anywhere else because of what they DID do right.

There ya go. Hopefully a way we can discuss this without getting down to the particulars of hating the site...You can hate the playa but don't hate the game. Learn from it.

B

DevonSantos
08-27-2010, 02:52 PM
Bambalina, I do NOT have time to baby you and cater to your sensitive emotions! I am not your boyfriend, your husband, or anyone in your personal life of significance. You come off ass sounding very childish and unprofessional with your posts and, as I've said before, none of what you say makes any sense. Models come here to get very informative advice, not to play games with people such as yourself that are inconsistent and wish to post nonsense, get called out for it, then turn around and say that your were just ''being cute''. ''Cute'' is for kids, and I don't have any and the models that come here for business that already have kids, don't need another one. You need a hug and I am not the one to give it to you. Man up a little when you step in here to do business with industry veterans and stop acting like such a female and posting with your emotions instead of utilizing your I.Q. I have spoken my peace and will notify you as of right now that I find you to be somewhat of a fraud based on your posts and your exaggerated claims and from here on out I will disregard any posts that you make here on SW for you will be ignored. I wish you the best in your camming success! That is all.

Smurfette
08-27-2010, 03:00 PM
Why does every other thread in this forum turn into a huge argument / flamewar?

We're all in this business together. We should be lifting each other up, not tearing each other to pieces over stuff that is really quite trivial.

Bambalina
08-28-2010, 07:47 AM
Only problem is...I don't exactly have the "boobs" lol
I'm a 34a cup & I hate it. But I'm 34 so I don't see a boob job in my future. Fuck it, I've made it this far with tiny tits, might as well live it out ;D

First off for those who don't know. TGP is Thumbnail Gallery Post. Basically it is place where you can post a page of thumbnail pictures they can click on and they show them the real picture in full size. They get LOTS of traffic, and the traffic is considered kind of poor by webmasters because it usually consists more of guys looking for free porn. But I will grant this, almost every adult site out there makes em, so they must be converting at least somewhat.

For those who want to go the route of TGPs. Here's some instructions.

1. Get some software, or learn to make galleries by hand. I recommend getting Express Thumbnail Creator (google it) or google thumbnail programs.

2. Make a Gallery with at least 12 thumbs and pics. Make it creative and different. Write in some text.

3. Go to Persian Kitty at and first click "click here" and make an account.

4. follow the directions and post your TGP. Cross your fingers that you did a good job. If so you'll get a TGP on PK and you'll get somewhere between 30k(bad TGP, work on it) and 80k hits of traffic within about 1-2 weeks.

Beware, like all TGP traffic it isn't the highest quality, but if you're prepared to handle the deluge and you offer something cool and unique, it CAN be great.

malayataylor
08-28-2010, 07:56 AM
First off for those who don't know. TGP is Thumbnail Gallery Post. Basically it is place where you can post a page of thumbnail pictures they can click on and they show them the real picture in full size. They get LOTS of traffic, and the traffic is considered kind of poor by webmasters because it usually consists more of guys looking for free porn. But I will grant this, almost every adult site out there makes em, so they must be converting at least somewhat.

For those who want to go the route of TGPs. Here's some instructions.

1. Get some software, or learn to make galleries by hand. I recommend getting Express Thumbnail Creator (google it) or google thumbnail programs.

2. Make a Gallery with at least 12 thumbs and pics. Make it creative and different. Write in some text.

3. Go to Persian Kitty at and first click "click here" and make an account.

4. follow the directions and post your TGP. Cross your fingers that you did a good job. If so you'll get a TGP on PK and you'll get somewhere between 30k(bad TGP, work on it) and 80k hits of traffic within about 1-2 weeks.

Beware, like all TGP traffic it isn't the highest quality, but if you're prepared to handle the deluge and you offer something cool and unique, it CAN be great.

This was very helpful. I was clueless about TGP galleries until now. Thank you.

TinaLayne
08-28-2010, 08:18 AM
I agree, thanks Bambalina!

Bambalina
08-28-2010, 09:27 AM
This was very helpful. I was clueless about TGP galleries until now. Thank you.


Absolutely welcome. Now one thing. There are some differences in different TGP structure and so on. Persian Kitty is one of the oldest and most popular along with the hun and a few others. They give you better traffic to a degree than the other TGPs that are considered by many to be "black hat" in the sense that they are "bad guys"...

Black Hat TGPs operate off tricking users into an endless string of thumbnail galleries who are all affiliates of each other and while some guys like them because they provide endless free porn, other people get REALLY pissed at pop-up after pop-up and fake link after fake link. So, I stick with known Gallery places, and sinceno-one has posted any that are useful to girls with normal/small chests, I figured I would jump in.

B
The GIANT boob site? Well it might work if one has absolutely GIANT boobs. But I think that isn't even half of us.

Bambalina
08-28-2010, 09:37 AM
Now, before you get TOO excited. Where are you going to send this huge deluge of traffic?

SOME TGPs allow free sites, but most good ones DON'T. So you need a valid web address to send them to. That's fine, because you also need somewhere to put your gallery. So...the best way to START a promotion campaign is to do a One Page site that features you and drives traffic to other places (namely your cam room or other pay point).

A few will allow you to send traffic to freely reachable Profile on a camsite, IF the page looks more or less like a webpage for YOU. You have to try it and see. I've gotten a few into PK before, but also had a few 'mysteriously" refused.

If you need to work on a webpage and want help with THIS stuff (Meaning a basic webpage, and a first time TGP...I am not offering to promote people here, I probably can't take you on for that), write me and we'll work something out.

Anyway, once you have a TGP in place and it is producing traffic and driving it to your room or page or whatever, THAT is when the real promotion begins, because knowing what to do with traffic once you have it is very important.

B

Bambalina
08-28-2010, 09:55 AM
So, your thinkin' "That Bambalina, she offered to help out, but she's a crazy bitch all arguin' with Devon and shit! I don't want nuthin to do with all that shit! Crazy emo bitch!"

Well for you, I have good news!!!

Go here: and buy your name!! If you don;t own your name, the one you want to brand. Then you are a doofus, plain and simple. BUY YOUR NAME! If you are MadonnaKissone then you need to own and it can never hurt to have it. It costs $8 per YEAR ladies!!! Buy your name.

Secondly, go Here: and click See Hosting Plans and click on the $4.95 plan. Buy it. Make sure you point your new domain there and tell gator about it so they can set you up.

You now OWN a space on the internet. Now you just need to put a website up there.

So, go HERE: and get this program which allows you to build one website for FREE. And start building.

Also heard great things about this:

Now, once you know what you're doing and are web designing for real like a champ, you're going to want to get Adobe Dreamweaver. But for now, try these two out, they will get you up and running in one or two days.

NOW...one the website is up with links to everything you do that makes money, a page for your sale vids and pic sets and panties, and pussy pops and everything else, you're all set to post to a couple TGPs and then watch the avalanche of traffic POUR in.

Have fun. Play this one right and I just doubled your money MINIMUM. (and I'm not even a fan of TGPs...so imagine the GOOD stuff...hehehe)

B

malayataylor
08-28-2010, 10:17 AM
*Bookmarks thread*

Bambalina
08-28-2010, 10:32 AM
*Bookmarks thread*

Since I completely adore you, I've been trying to figure out ways for you to get Fat local traffic. Would that help with your escort thang? Just wondering, because localized traffic is a but harder to get in huge amounts.

B

Smurfette
08-28-2010, 10:42 AM
This is amazing information Bambalina, thanks for sharing!

I need to get my ass in gear and start building a real website.

Bambalina
08-28-2010, 10:54 AM
This is amazing information Bambalina, thanks for sharing!

I need to get my ass in gear and start building a real website.

(blush)
Well, overall, it's VERY hard to do anything with true promotion without a website.

For example, Malaya posted a link to a kickass article from a guy who works MySpace (see her thread...serious rock!)...however, I know a lot of girls who post their link directly to a cam site and find a week of so later they are deleted. However a Link to smurfette.com is MUCH less likely to get you deleted, especially if you have what's called a (get yer pens out goils!) "Custom Landing Page", which contains NO porn whatsoever, and in fact conforms 90% or more to MySpace TOS (dat's Terms Of Service for the newbs). Then all over that page can be links to your main page, disclaimer page, or even your cam profile or cam room. That way, you don;t build up 2000 valuable friends, and then get deleted.

Ok...so...have fun...

B

malayataylor
08-28-2010, 12:05 PM
Since I completely adore you, I've been trying to figure out ways for you to get Fat local traffic. Would that help with your escort thang? Just wondering, because localized traffic is a but harder to get in huge amounts.

B

As much as I'd love to advertise more locally I don't. I usually get most if not ALL my clients from escort boards/review boards
1.) Family/Friend. I have some pervert uncles that I KNOW will just happen to "come across" my ad. 2.) Cheap Carolina- Alot of guys can't afford me here. My rate is "above" the norm here so while I get SOME locals I rely on my regulars and traveling businessmen more than anything and they are more than happy to pay what I'm asking and more.

As much as I DO NOT like the ads on backpage. I have done weekly nationwide Campaigns there and BANKED (businessmen coming into charlotte).

What would really benefit me right now is more touring and "Fly me to you" engagements. :)

Raven69Skye
08-28-2010, 01:18 PM
omg who cares. I can't stand all this bickering on here lately. If someone makes 20k in one week good for them! Who cares how they made it. Let's be happy for them and move the fuck on. If we don't like a certain site, don't work there. That's it.
Can we all get along and be cool now?

Juliette25
08-28-2010, 01:44 PM
I've already bought my name and started my site. I'm incredibly excited about this. I'm looking forward to trying out the TGP thing.

Bambalina
08-28-2010, 03:40 PM
I've already bought my name and started my site. I'm incredibly excited about this. I'm looking forward to trying out the TGP thing.

Good job! Now...we'll move on soon to sharing traffic and stuff...but let's get you guys up on a TGP....

B

Juliette25
08-28-2010, 04:38 PM
Good job! Now...we'll move on soon to sharing traffic and stuff...but let's get you guys up on a TGP....

B

We should start a new thread with the step by step info you posted, B.

Bambalina
08-29-2010, 01:53 PM
We should start a new thread with the step by step info you posted, B.

Ok...I did....it's

Wheeee!


B.

Juliette25
08-29-2010, 05:59 PM
Ok...I did....it's HERE (http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?p=1976006#post1976006)

Wheeee!


B.

Cool! Could I also pick your brain about adult link exchanges? I've been trading links with other cam girls but I'm wondering if there are any other places on the web I should be looking in particular. Feel free to make another new thread if you feel like it haha.

ETA: Nevermind I asked this in the new thread as well :)

jadenraine
08-30-2010, 02:29 AM
i know mfc is sketchy as hell but and there's no doubt it will be shut down but damn i hope that is put off for awhile because horrid as it is i love that site because i can go on work for a few minutes and find guys to chat with and get tipped a few thousand tokens for being boring and just chilling..... i dunno.... i guess im gonna give ifriends a try because ill need somewhere to cam when they finally get themselves shut down.

ChatGF
09-01-2010, 12:30 PM
i know mfc is sketchy as hell but and there's no doubt it will be shut down.

Many here (and in other forums) say MFC will be shut down, but it is online since 5 or more years already and one of top 500 sites in USA by traffic, so all the police's, FBI's, interpol's, religious unions etc in the world already seen it long ago and know it very well.
What MFC shows to the casual user is not different from what you see in the major tube sites no one of which was shut down, that I know of, in the past years, and they're the top 100 sites and going to keep there.
Sex is not illegal and aniway before to shut down MFC should be shut down some hundreds of bigger tube sites and we yet have to see one closed for any reason.
The fact that in site rules is written no sex in public and instead there's sex in public is not illegal is just not consistent with site rules but no one close for this, at least not in 2010 in western world.
For cam sites and tubes is enough to remove the specific illegal content, so for cam site to close account to model who show kids or do sex with own dog, or for tube to close account of who submitted the recorded video of the same.
MFC is not anarchy, I know MFC punish models with $150 or so fine for just play copyrighted music, which is something you can't re-broadcast, just they don't bust everyone and always. They not punish for sex in public maybe but this is not as risky as play Michael Jackson song without pay royalties, legally speaking, believe me.

Said so, let's assume some entity is able to close MFC for some reason, it would open possibility for few others to open MFC clone sites. For each MFC site closed, two clones would open. Same as tube sites or torrent warez sites, there's more tube sites and piratebay's than surfers so is unstoppable, unless we return before internet was invented which is unlikely unless there's a world war and we all been killed by burned atoms.

So I quite bet there will be always in future the MFC type of site which is, do sex show in front of 1000's members of which 1 paid and 999 not paid, and a few will record video and post in tubes so even your grandson will find your sex show in 2050 or later.

I am just surprised there's not that many MFC clone sites yet. It may be just matter of time and we will have 3 or 4 big ones, maybe in 2012.

laurielegs
09-01-2010, 01:14 PM
I know MFC punish models with $150 or so fine for just play copyrighted music, which is something you can't re-broadcast, just they don't bust everyone and always. They not punish for sex in public maybe but this is not as risky as play Michael Jackson song without pay royalties, legally speaking, believe me.

This really surprises me. I know what you are saying is true about the legality of the music, but I've surfed MFC and I rarely ever see a model without music on in the background, either some online streaming music or a radio playing. I've had it on myself on there and never been fined.

I don't recall them ever saying that you couldn't play music.



So I quite bet there will be always in future the MFC type of site which is, do sex show in front of 1000's members of which 1 paid and 999 not paid, and a few will record video and post in tubes so even your grandson will find your sex show in 2050 or later.

I am just surprised there's not that many MFC clone sites yet. It may be just matter of time and we will have 3 or 4 big ones, maybe in 2012.

I think this is very true. Also I see several of the larger sites adding tipping options for free chat where there were none before.