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Marina Starr
06-21-2013, 05:14 PM
LOL, I do that all the time! I'd work for a whole month straight then take a few weeks off. I'm such a brat!
I'm following in your footsteps!
Incantatious
06-22-2013, 01:57 PM
Did SM just... make new encoder settings again?
Before I even started my stream, I got a TV broadcast notice saying that in order to be eligible for TV shows I need the right encoder settings... ?!
But I updated to widescreen like when it first came out.
And guess what? I can't even find myself on SM now. I updated to their new settings and my placement is off the radar bad.
Cheers SM.
temptingmodel
06-22-2013, 03:41 PM
Did SM just... make new encoder settings again?
Before I even started my stream, I got a TV broadcast notice saying that in order to be eligible for TV shows I need the right encoder settings... ?!
But I updated to widescreen like when it first came out.
And guess what? I can't even find myself on SM now. I updated to their new settings and my placement is off the radar bad.
Cheers SM.
When I experienced this, emailed them and they looked into it, glitch on their end.
IF IT DOESNT FIX ITSELF, EMAIL THE "TEAM"
scareymary
06-22-2013, 03:57 PM
Did SM just... make new encoder settings again?
Before I even started my stream, I got a TV broadcast notice saying that in order to be eligible for TV shows I need the right encoder settings... ?!
But I updated to widescreen like when it first came out.
And guess what? I can't even find myself on SM now. I updated to their new settings and my placement is off the radar bad.
Cheers SM.
Hi Incantatious. I am coming out of lurker status because this also is happening to me and I am beyond irate in my thoughts of SM right now.
I have been with SM for two years. In those two years I have never appeared beyond the top row of page two. My placement has always depended on how much I am making during the week. I do not keep a regular schedule so when I don't log and earn much in my placement drops. When I am on and am doing well I am front and center - page 1 row 2 to 3.
Recently I changed my encoder settings and went from having a lively chat room with a steady stream of traffic down to a trickle of one or two silent guest chatters every few minutes. I thought maybe it was my connection so I rebooted and started over. Nothing changed. Then one of my regulars logged in and told me women he has never seen before are appearing on his list in front of me. He asked me if I knew anything about it and of course I know nothing because SM does not communicate with us. I told him about my declined traffic so he unfavorited me and searched the site to see what my placement was and he said he went back 14 pages and was unable to locate me.
I contacted SM to find out why I was moved. First they contacted me with the standard copy and paste message {HD encoder/audio/blah blah blah}. I e-mailed them back with the standard {yes I am using/yes I have blah blah blah} and they said they couldn't find a reason why I would be moved. Then about 1 day later I get another e-mail response saying they have reviewed my account and see I have unwarranted 1 star ratings {from someone who is on my banned list or another performer - they were not clear about it} and removed them. I always suspected they were unwarranted because all three of them appeared within the same week and then suddenly when I had enough 5 star ratings to flush them out, the person came back and hit me again. Anyway, I was told by SM that once I get a fresh rating the system will update and this should fix my placement issues.
Well, four 5 star ratings later, I am still no where to be found on the site!! I e-mailed SM again to let them know it didn't work and in return I got another copy and paste message {HD encoder/audio/blah blah blah} as if they never spoke to me before!
What I think happened to you and I and probably a few others is somehow the new encoder settings dislodged us from our designated page range. By page range I mean that either the webmasters at SM or the program at SM sets certain ranges we are to appear based on our previous 90 days, 30 days and 7 days. Somehow the new settings bumped us out of the system and the site doesn't know where to put us because we are unassigned behind everyone who has an assigned place to be.
I showed SM sever screen captures on my encoder settings and they claim based on those settings {864X480} I "should have no problems" but it's just the opposite! I have worked a full 40+ hours this week and made less than I normally make on 1 single shift prior to making the changes to the encoder. What's even more fucked up is I have even reverted back to the old encoder settings but it seems no matter what I do {I have even flipped up my bitrate to 14000 to see if that helps} i'm flat out stuck floating around, sometimes on page 5 and all the way back to page 14 next to the girls who are in private shows. The guys coming to my chat room right now are guys who are surfing shows already in progress!
scareymary
06-22-2013, 04:00 PM
When I experienced this, emailed them and they looked into it, glitch on their end.
IF IT DOESNT FIX ITSELF, EMAIL THE "TEAM"
temptingmodel, I was typing a wall as you posted LOL. I did e-mail the "team" and have got nothing but shit on. They act like I have never been in contact with them before!! Meanwhile my weekly take on 40+ hours in this whole mess is $290 which is less than I average in a normal 2 to 6 hour single day shift!
Nina_Den
06-22-2013, 04:08 PM
When I messaged support asking why I'm located on page 3, they asked me the usual questions (speed test, processor, type of webcam, etc. etc.). I responded to all of them and got a 1-line reply: "Try taking your frame rate down to 15" (which I already did days ago). I replied back, asking for further suggestions/explanations - but nothing. I wrote yet another mail, and again, nothing. And this was not even "regular" support.
I just really don't understand why they seem to like acting in the shadows. You'd think they have an interest in helping us make as much money as possible, but it seems like they don't care.
scareymary
06-22-2013, 04:15 PM
When I messaged support asking why I'm located on page 3, they asked me the usual questions (speed test, processor, type of webcam, etc. etc.). I responded to all of them and got a 1-line reply: "Try taking your frame rate down to 15" (which I already did days ago). I replied back, asking for further suggestions/explanations - but nothing. I wrote yet another mail, and again, nothing. And this was not even "regular" support.
I just really don't understand why they seem to like acting in the shadows. You'd think they have an interest in helping us make as much money as possible, but it seems like they don't care.
What really pisses me off is now that we have lost our hard earned spots other girls who did not gain their current position on the site are gaining headway based on an unfair advantage. After this week me and my piddly $290 will probably be forever floating around page 5 to 14! It's just flat out wrong that we are being treated this way! How the hell do I feed a 5 year old on $290? We're already struggling because of a deadbeat dad.
scareymary
06-22-2013, 04:38 PM
Also I meant to ask if anyone thinks perhaps this has something to do with a new relationship between Streamate and the Friendfinder Network? I don't know if anyone else caught it but there was a day they were SM was testing Friendfinder advertisements on our cam pages. I don't know if manwin bought Streamray or Friendfinder or if it was the other way around but something happened and I saw Friendfinder popups under our streaming video.
temptingmodel
06-22-2013, 05:06 PM
did you email liz's team? not regular support. (Support never knows what we are talking about.) The team will submit a ticket and keep it open until all is resolved (for the time being) They will ask all the usual questions Processer, speed, screenshot of encoder settings.
temptingmodel, I was typing a wall as you posted LOL. I did e-mail the "team" and have got nothing but shit on. They act like I have never been in contact with them before!! Meanwhile my weekly take on 40+ hours in this whole mess is $290 which is less than I average in a normal 2 to 6 hour single day shift!
DoodlebugBites
06-22-2013, 05:49 PM
Sometimes seeing the new 5-star ratings from the night before is almost depressing since my placement continues to tank. I guess it should be a comfort that at least the guys are having a good time but it feels like Streamate hates me. I literally cammed all night last night, until 8 am EST, just so I could (briefly) climb to page 2 again.
Incantatious, I am getting that error about the TV shows, too, and I am using the new settings with the 920 webcam. Honestly I feel like it doesn't even matter for me because I doubt the TV producers would ever even find me again for a Gold Show. :(
(Sorry to be a downer, just having a little pity party for mah-self.)
temptingmodel
06-22-2013, 06:21 PM
SCREENSHOT THE messaging popping up, they want to see that as well
Sometimes seeing the new 5-star ratings from the night before is almost depressing since my placement continues to tank. I guess it should be a comfort that at least the guys are having a good time but it feels like Streamate hates me. I literally cammed all night last night, until 8 am EST, just so I could (briefly) climb to page 2 again.
Incantatious, I am getting that error about the TV shows, too, and I am using the new settings with the 920 webcam. Honestly I feel like it doesn't even matter for me because I doubt the TV producers would ever even find me again for a Gold Show. :(
(Sorry to be a downer, just having a little pity party for mah-self.)
temptingmodel
06-22-2013, 06:23 PM
Also I meant to ask if anyone thinks perhaps this has something to do with a new relationship between Streamate and the Friendfinder Network? I don't know if anyone else caught it but there was a day they were SM was testing Friendfinder advertisements on our cam pages. I don't know if manwin bought Streamray or Friendfinder or if it was the other way around but something happened and I saw Friendfinder popups under our streaming video.
hmm, was this a affiliate page?
DoodlebugBites
06-22-2013, 06:30 PM
SCREENSHOT THE messaging popping up, they want to see that as well
Thank you, will do! I was hesitant to contact them regarding that error because technically my processor speed is not up to snuff. However, I have done quite a few TV shows in the past without a hitch so this is a totally new thing. I guess it's worth a shot. :)
scareymary
06-22-2013, 06:48 PM
hmm, was this a affiliate page?
No. I was looking at my page from Streamate's site when I was logged out of my cam. I was checking my tags because I have been getting some really mean ones out of the blue lately. {bitch, ugly, bad attitude, chubby but sexy, stupid fuck} I logged in on one browser directly through Streamate and clicked to block the mean tags. I refreshed the other browser that showed my offline cam page and at the bottom of the page were friendfinder pop ups.
Also thank you for telling me about Liz. I don't think I have ever e-mailed with her but just sent one off thanks to your suggestion. I just hope to God she doesn't blow me off because I am almost a full month behind since this started happening. The first week it happened I thought maybe it was just one of those slow weeks. Then midway into the 2nd week is when I realized something was wrong and started contacting "support" to no avail. This has been going on for almost 4 weeks. The only thing I got out of it was the confirmation that my sudden rash of 1 star ratings came from 1 very nasty person.
seller317
06-22-2013, 07:00 PM
I havnt changed my encoder settings at all just cuz I feel lazy and even took a week off camming and guess what.... I log in to streamate today and I am mid first page as always. This is why I am too lazy to follow the trend : \
I dont do tv shows either.
Edit: My earnings and traffic havnt changed either and I average $30 an hour and Im happy with this.
Prussia
06-22-2013, 07:05 PM
Yeah. So fuck the new encoder! :mad: I thought it would help me with my traffic using it last night. I made a third of what I normally make on a Friday night in 4 hours... I wanted to cry. Today I did a Gold Show countdown and has 15-25 people in my room. I said fuck it went back to the old profile. Started a Gold Show countdown after redoing my encoder. 90+ people in my room! Also, people were complaining that my feed was freezing & speeding up today while using the HD profile. Good riddance HD profile... please crawl under a rock and die!
Marina Starr
06-22-2013, 07:33 PM
You go girl! I am still using the old setting and I tend to keep it that way!
I havnt changed my encoder settings at all just cuz I feel lazy and even took a week off camming and guess what.... I log in to streamate today and I am mid first page as always. This is why I am too lazy to follow the trend : \
I dont do tv shows either.
Edit: My earnings and traffic havnt changed either and I average $30 an hour and Im happy with this.
seller317
06-22-2013, 07:39 PM
I have been following along reading all the complaints, tech issues and aggravation of being choppy, glitchy, and "wide" etc lol. I wanted to see if it was worth the trouble and to me it is not. I didnt have issues before and still dont : ) For those who have done better with the new settings kudos and get that money!! Do what works!
Marina Starr
06-22-2013, 07:41 PM
AGREED, why fix something that isn't broken? NOT worth it!
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x311/melaniamai/tumblr_inline_mmcumnJjj91qz4rgp_zps39d659bf.gif (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/melaniamai/media/tumblr_inline_mmcumnJjj91qz4rgp_zps39d659bf.gif.ht ml)
I have been following along reading all the complaints, tech issues and aggravation of being choppy, glitchy, and "wide" etc lol. I wanted to see if it was worth the trouble and to me it is not. I didnt have issues before and still dont : ) For those who have done better with the new settings kudos and get that money!! Do what works!
Marina Starr
06-22-2013, 08:24 PM
WOW, just saw a model reached her $800 gold show! All I can say is, you go gurl!!!
temptingmodel
06-22-2013, 08:28 PM
I saw that too! SHE IS AWESOME. One of the girls others are severely jealous of for no reason. If you havent seen her show, I would advise watching it :)
WOW, just saw a model reached her $800 gold show! All I can say is, you go gurl!!!
MariaModel
06-22-2013, 08:31 PM
I changed my settings when I was first prompted to do so. I have had no issues with the settings and my placement doesn't seem to be affected by it at all. I place where I normally do. This week I've been a bit lower but that's probably because there's been less customers which means less money to go around and the top models, especially those who do gold shows and make a lot of money doing them were probably taking most of the traffic, so it was shuffling a lot of people down a bit. Just think, if you stay logged on and you have no traffic and making no money your placement will drop. This week I logged on about 3 times my normal amount just to make the goal I set for myself each week. This will affect placement if you place high when you spend 30 percent of your time in paid chat VS when you spend only 15 percent in paid chat.
Marina Starr
06-22-2013, 08:32 PM
What are they jealous about? Are you sure it's not inadequacy? I don't know how she does a 45 minutes show. This may sound funny but I get uncomfortable looking at punani, lol! I'm sure she puts on an awesome show but I just can't watch it.
EDIT: I'm sure once she's in the show, she'll make over $1000 gold!
I saw that too! SHE IS AWESOME. One of the girls others are severely jealous of for no reason. If you havent seen her show, I would advise watching it :)
JaneBurgess
06-23-2013, 12:07 AM
Hell yeah for her. I so wish I was good at Gold shows
WOW, just saw a model reached her $800 gold show! All I can say is, you go gurl!!!
JaneBurgess
06-23-2013, 12:12 AM
Some of you have to remember that you are on a site with thousands of performers. Just because you feel like you should be on page one or two doesn't mean you earned that spot. There are lots of performers with fives stars that are on there and have worked on there for years. I want to be on the top row of page one but I'm not and I am cool with that. I took some time off the site, got dropped down to page two and worked my ass off to get back on page one. I have been on there for five and a half years and that doesn't mean I get a top slot. Tonight I was in the fourth row on page one and I am fine with that. I have to earn that top row spot just like everyone else does.
DoodlebugBites
06-23-2013, 01:08 AM
Some of you have to remember that you are on a site with thousands of performers. Just because you feel like you should be on page one or two doesn't mean you earned that spot. There are lots of performers with fives stars that are on there and have worked on there for years. I want to be on the top row of page one but I'm not and I am cool with that. I took some time off the site, got dropped down to page two and worked my ass off to get back on page one. I have been on there for five and a half years and that doesn't mean I get a top slot. Tonight I was in the fourth row on page one and I am fine with that. I have to earn that top row spot just like everyone else does.
That's a great point and I do try to keep that in perspective. I realize being on page 3 or 4 still means I am in the top 60-80 and I don't take that for granted at all.
What's really bumming me out is falling in placement when the models I used to be next to seem to be moving up, especially when I'm doing things that should be helping me move up and not back.
However, it's also possible that there were always a lot of models between me and whoever was next to me, and they just weren't online at whatever times I was checking. (Hope that makes sense.)
AliceFun
06-23-2013, 02:09 AM
^^^ Also there are models with block zone enabled and u cant see them in the list just if u have a member account.
I think maybe 15% or more have black zone on so if u see urself on page one last row for example u might actually be on page two upper or middle rows.
Edited to add: i am kinda confused about this new wide screen feature, i was told 'we implement this now cause most viewers have wide screens now a days'.
The way it makes sense to me is: most TV & Phone users have wide screens, if u watch on ur pc the window can be adjusted so u see models either way. It means wide screen is of use if u do tv gold shows mostly but if u dont offer them u better stay with regular settings?
I use the HD wide since they emailed us but i see no difference in placement or traffic, it's still very slow & alot of guys seem to get disconnected after typing a hi or short sentence, all glitchy like u girls said.
Going back to old settings, what that means for u, changing the resolution to 640x480 or changing other settings too like the ones in sub menus near 'Degrade quality' or Profile type (baseline, key frame etc)?
That's a great point and I do try to keep that in perspective. I realize being on page 3 or 4 still means I am in the top 60-80 and I don't take that for granted at all.
What's really bumming me out is falling in placement when the models I used to be next to seem to be moving up, especially when I'm doing things that should be helping me move up and not back.
However, it's also possible that there were always a lot of models between me and whoever was next to me, and they just weren't online at whatever times I was checking. (Hope that makes sense.)
Doodlebug.. whenever I check my cammodels link or my stream you are almost always recommended as a similar model lol Just thought I'd tell you (it's an honor for me lol) :)
Marina Starr
06-23-2013, 07:16 AM
I can't decide if I should get my ass on cam today or go get some tattoos? Decisions, decisions hmmmmmmmmmm!
Incantatious
06-23-2013, 07:38 AM
I havnt changed my encoder settings at all just cuz I feel lazy and even took a week off camming and guess what.... I log in to streamate today and I am mid first page as always. This is why I am too lazy to follow the trend : \
I dont do tv shows either.
Edit: My earnings and traffic havnt changed either and I average $30 an hour and Im happy with this.
This makes me so fucking angry.
Not because you're doing great (that part kicks ass!!) but because this says as clear as day to me that girls who take notice of what SM says and employ those changes, suffer for listening to them. And that's so incredibly backwards and insulting to me because I simply followed orders assuming the site wasn't going to screw with me but it did.
My placement is usually top 4 rows on the front page and now I can search back 6+ pages and I'm not there.
Thanks a whole fucking lot Streamate for punishing my subservience to you. I'll be sure not to listen to you again, until it's proven that you won't fuck me over this badly for doing so.
If my placement continues to be this bad, there's no way I'm using the site; having up to three members is my room is unworkable for me.
justanothercamgirl
06-23-2013, 09:22 AM
but because this says as clear as day to me that girls who take notice of what SM says and employ those changes, suffer for listening to them.
Agreed.
I stream at 15 frames a second and I don't use wide screen and I am on the first page.
If I try to set my encoder to any of the their prerecommend settings my placement ends up pages behind and some times I won't show up on ANY of the pages at all.
I am done listening to anything they have to say from now on and am just going to listen to the camgirls in Camming Connection. In my personal experience, the camgirls here have always known how to optimize the maximum money-making potential of Streamate way better than Streamate ever has or could.
justanothercamgirl
06-23-2013, 09:38 AM
What I think happened to you and I and probably a few others is somehow the new encoder settings dislodged us from our designated page range. By page range I mean that either the webmasters at SM or the program at SM sets certain ranges we are to appear based on our previous 90 days, 30 days and 7 days. Somehow the new settings bumped us out of the system and the site doesn't know where to put us because we are unassigned behind everyone who has an assigned place to be.
Oh my god! You just blew my mind. From a code standpoint this makes perfect sense. They have to have a whole new code database to process the widescreen settings and since this is a new code base it is more than possible that it isn't using the old system which in layman's terms would mean that any girl that is using the widescreen settings would be essentially starting over FROM SQUARE ONE! This is why there would be girls that no one has ever seen on the front page. Because you are literally taking all the previous 'top girls' out of the system.
Thank you SO much for coming out of lurking to post this. I've been trying to work out the riddle of what has been going with Streamate and this is a huge piece of that puzzle for me.
TheBrownFox
06-23-2013, 10:53 AM
I can't decide if I should get my ass on cam today or go get some tattoos? Decisions, decisions hmmmmmmmmmm!
I've never seen you on cam before today...you are beautiful!
And tattoos are awesome! :D
SarahTime
06-23-2013, 11:01 AM
I use the HD wide since they emailed us but i see no difference in placement or traffic, it's still very slow & alot of guys seem to get disconnected after typing a hi or short sentence, all glitchy like u girls said.
Widescreen is not supposed to be effecting our placement yet. They said they would send another email once the widescreen settings start to effect our placement, and currently they have not sent that email.
I switched back to standard def and I did notice that it appeared members were being kicked out of private a lot less, and my members seemed to STAY in my room longer. I think that maybe some computers and internet connections on the members end cannot handle the HD and widescreen at the same time and it was causing lagging, skipping, freezing, etc. I definitely noticed a positive improvement when I switched back.
I'll only use the widescreen when they tell us it has started to effect placement. Even then, we all know that there are tons of factors that play into placement and I seriously doubt that the lack of widescreen will put a 1st page model on on page 2 or 3... or a page 2 or 3 model on page 1.
SarahTime
06-23-2013, 11:06 AM
This makes me so fucking angry.
Not because you're doing great (that part kicks ass!!) but because this says as clear as day to me that girls who take notice of what SM says and employ those changes, suffer for listening to them. And that's so incredibly backwards and insulting to me because I simply followed orders assuming the site wasn't going to screw with me but it did.
My placement is usually top 4 rows on the front page and now I can search back 6+ pages and I'm not there.
Thanks a whole fucking lot Streamate for punishing my subservience to you. I'll be sure not to listen to you again, until it's proven that you won't fuck me over this badly for doing so.
If my placement continues to be this bad, there's no way I'm using the site; having up to three members is my room is unworkable for me.
Is your placement still no where to be found when you go back to the old settings?
Oh my god! You just blew my mind. From a code standpoint this makes perfect sense. They have to have a whole new code database to process the widescreen settings and since this is a new code base it is more than possible that it isn't using the old system which in layman's terms would mean that any girl that is using the widescreen settings would be essentially starting over FROM SQUARE ONE! This is why there would be girls that no one has ever seen on the front page. Because you are literally taking all the previous 'top girls' out of the system.
Thank you SO much for coming out of lurking to post this. I've been trying to work out the riddle of what has been going with Streamate and this is a huge piece of that puzzle for me.
While this makes sense that it could be possible... I was in the exact same spot using widescreen as I was using standard def.... so if this is a possible error it must not be happening to everyone who uses widescreen. But like I said in my last post, widescreen is not even effecting our placement yet in terms of SM's algorithm that determines placement.
Rather than it being widescreen that is making models have placement problems, it could be that your fps is dropping or your overall stream performance is not as good, and that will push you down in placement. It might take a little while (a day or so) of streaming with the old settings for SM to catch onto the fact that your stream is good quality again...?
scareymary
06-23-2013, 11:53 AM
Is your placement still no where to be found when you go back to the old settings? While this makes sense that it could be possible... I was in the exact same spot using widescreen as I was using standard def.... so if this is a possible error it must not be happening to everyone who uses widescreen. But like I said in my last post, widescreen is not even effecting our placement yet in terms of SM's algorithm that determines placement. Rather than it being widescreen that is making models have placement problems, it could be that your fps is dropping or your overall stream performance is not as good, and that will push you down in placement. It might take a little while (a day or so) of streaming with the old settings for SM to catch onto the fact that your stream is good quality again...? From speaking with someone at Streamate in the past{don't ask me who, I never know who I am speaking with}, this is what I know about the way it works. There are some girls who are anchors, meaning their spot is anchored in place. The perfect example is the reservation for X amount of spots for pornstars, x amount of spots for studios and x amount of spots for top performers who have a track record or a precedent they have set and no one has broken it yet (JC and AF are two that come to mind. Hope it's ok to post that!). Then there are the high earners who are anchored from say spot 15 to 25. The high earner is going to float within her range depending on how many anchors are on cam. If there are only 10 anchors on then the high earner will default to spot 11 to 14 but maintain her range of 15 to 25 as different performers log on and off or are sent to the back for private sessions. From spots 15 to 25 are another set of ranged earners and so on and so fourth. The ranges are actually broader than that but I don't know exactly what they are. I do hope you are right about reverting back. Unfortunately for me this hasn't happened yet. I thank my lucky stars for regulars because I somehow managed to pull off $375 last night despite my issues ---- which I sure as fuck hope sends a clear message that there are some girls who can make money no matter where they are on the site.
Clearly I am not an anchor, just a floater. My spot isn't fixed in place. My spot is earned. It's unfortunate, as a couple of have voiced though, that we aren't given our due credit and certain performers are reigning in on something they haven't earned. It makes me sick to know I can be bumped out of my range once the glitch is corrected for the fact that I was swapped out by a glitch which will reflect on my next 90, 30 and 7 day review.
Snowy0Star
06-23-2013, 12:04 PM
so how do u get an anchored placement? seems kinda unfair in a way. i mean they could not be loged in for weeks and just poof be top row like they never left when if we did that our traffic and placement would be in the shitter i'm sure they earned it some way but i was watching AF today and she told the room she only drops in like once a day to do a gold show and then she logs off and she 'doesnt work the site and just sits here all day she does one gold show and thats it she logs off' but shes always in the top row. like really...? and her goals are always so low like 200 or something thats like $70 in her pocket and she gives away so many full DVDs for the pledges like 4 bucks or something i really dont get why she even does it.
Marina Starr
06-23-2013, 12:07 PM
You're sweet, thank you! I love tattoos! I'm gonna get my sleeves done :)
I've never seen you on cam before today...you are beautiful!
And tattoos are awesome! :D
scareymary
06-23-2013, 12:09 PM
so how do u get an anchored placement? seems kinda unfair in a way. i mean they could not be loged in for weeks and just poof be top row like they never left when if we did that our traffic and placement would be in the shitter i'm sure they earned it some way but i was watching AF today and she told the room she only drops in like once a day to do a gold show and then she logs off and she 'doesnt work the site and just sits here all day she does one gold show and thats it she logs off' but shes always in the top row. like really...? and her goals are always so low like 200 or something thats like $70 in her pocket and she gives away so many full DVDs for the pledges like 4 bucks or something i really dont get why she even does it.
For the majority our spots are based on our 90, 30 and 7 day reviews. Without naming names yes, I agree it's not fair to us as performers to know there is an anchor not carrying her weight but you also have to see it from the site's point of view. Advertising is advertising. Why would they pay to advertise someone when all they have to do is anchor an advertisement spot?
Marina Starr
06-23-2013, 12:09 PM
You are good at something. We're all good at something. I only do Gold shows to escape free chat.
Hell yeah for her. I so wish I was good at Gold shows
Missymissdemeanour
06-23-2013, 01:59 PM
Widescreen is not supposed to be effecting our placement yet. They said they would send another email once the widescreen settings start to effect our placement, and currently they have not sent that email.
I switched back to standard def and I did notice that it appeared members were being kicked out of private a lot less, and my members seemed to STAY in my room longer. I think that maybe some computers and internet connections on the members end cannot handle the HD and widescreen at the same time and it was causing lagging, skipping, freezing, etc. I definitely noticed a positive improvement when I switched back.
I'll only use the widescreen when they tell us it has started to effect placement. Even then, we all know that there are tons of factors that play into placement and I seriously doubt that the lack of widescreen will put a 1st page model on on page 2 or 3... or a page 2 or 3 model on page 1.
Yep, thats my thoughts too. My placement seems to have settled back to where it was before widescreen, although when I logged on earlier today I was 4th row front page :D, however, I was whisked straight into exclusive and when I came out and checked placement again I was on page 4! and thats where I stayed for the rest of that shift! So my conclusions so far are that a) if custy's are not using equipment with widescreen capabilities then they will see poor quality streams. I base that on the fact that I have had custy's complain about pixalated stream one minute while another custy will tell me my stream is awesome the next minute! and b) The site itself is experiencing glitches with placement etc since the new settings. If I am right then there is nothing I can do about it. I am using the lower settings for widescreen and seem to be doing ok most of the time.
justanothercamgirl
06-23-2013, 02:53 PM
Is your placement still no where to be found when you go back to the old settings?
While this makes sense that it could be possible... I was in the exact same spot using widescreen as I was using standard def.... so if this is a possible error it must not be happening to everyone who uses widescreen. But like I said in my last post, widescreen is not even effecting our placement yet in terms of SM's algorithm that determines placement.
Rather than it being widescreen that is making models have placement problems, it could be that your fps is dropping or your overall stream performance is not as good, and that will push you down in placement. It might take a little while (a day or so) of streaming with the old settings for SM to catch onto the fact that your stream is good quality again...?
Thank you for bringing up all your great points! This whole puzzle is so strange! Everytime I think I have it pinned down. It changes again because it doesn't seem to effect everyone the same way across the board.
There are only two things I know to be personally true in my own situation since they are things I've experimented with.
1. My placement is always higher when I am at 15 frames per second compared to if my frame rate is higher.
2. That my placement is worse using the new encoder settings compared to the older encoder settings.
Also if you've never noticed any difference at in your placement when you changed over then that means that my original theory can not be possibly true because in order for it to be value it would have to affect every girls the same way.
Thank you for mentioning these things. I am no clearer on the puzzle, but I am very happy to have it pointed out to me that I might be going in the wrong direction.
MissAdriana
06-23-2013, 02:56 PM
Ok so since getting my new computer I can use the encoder so much easier now! Customers actually stay in my room for longer than 2 seconds at a time. Using my old comp I was lucky if I got 10fps (sd, low encoder settings) with the new widescreen settings (hd, high quality) on my new comp I get around 29fps on average but my placement is pretty much the same. I'm was all over the place to begin with and am still all over the place now
justanothercamgirl
06-23-2013, 03:01 PM
From speaking with someone at Streamate in the past{don't ask me who, I never know who I am speaking with}, this is what I know about the way it works. There are some girls who are anchors, meaning their spot is anchored in place. The perfect example is the reservation for X amount of spots for pornstars, x amount of spots for studios and x amount of spots for top performers who have a track record or a precedent they have set and no one has broken it yet (JC and AF are two that come to mind. Hope it's ok to post that!). Then there are the high earners who are anchored from say spot 15 to 25. The high earner is going to float within her range depending on how many anchors are on cam. If there are only 10 anchors on then the high earner will default to spot 11 to 14 but maintain her range of 15 to 25 as different performers log on and off or are sent to the back for private sessions. From spots 15 to 25 are another set of ranged earners and so on and so fourth. The ranges are actually broader than that but I don't know exactly what they are. I do hope you are right about reverting back. Unfortunately for me this hasn't happened yet. I thank my lucky stars for regulars because I somehow managed to pull off $375 last night despite my issues ---- which I sure as fuck hope sends a clear message that there are some girls who can make money no matter where they are on the site.
Clearly I am not an anchor, just a floater. My spot isn't fixed in place. My spot is earned. It's unfortunate, as a couple of have voiced though, that we aren't given our due credit and certain performers are reigning in on something they haven't earned. It makes me sick to know I can be bumped out of my range once the glitch is corrected for the fact that I was swapped out by a glitch which will reflect on my next 90, 30 and 7 day review.
Oh! Some girls are anchored and some or not? That would make SO much sense why it affects some girls and doesn't affect others.
Dang, this mystery just keeps getting more mysterious! All we need is a 'smoking man' and we can have our own fictional television drama. ;)
justanothercamgirl
06-23-2013, 03:15 PM
Sorry to post again, but this is so interesting to me.
I've been thinking about it and logically in order for the shuffle of girls to be happening the way it is then the only way it could logically work is if they don't only lock certain individual girls into place, it would seem that they also have individual catagories anchored too. If those catagories are anchored it would explain why a new crop of girls would jump to the top when the 'floaters' that changed their settings ended up at the back of the queue.
Curious and curiouser indeed!
Marina Starr
06-23-2013, 03:23 PM
I have zero motivation to cam this week... AT ALL! It's not being negative, it's being honest.
DoodlebugBites
06-23-2013, 03:49 PM
Doodlebug.. whenever I check my cammodels link or my stream you are almost always recommended as a similar model lol Just thought I'd tell you (it's an honor for me lol) :)
Thank you sweetie! That is lovely of you to say!
Right now I am back to my old settings and having a much better day all around. Not saying that those two things are related–it probably has more to do with taking the day off yesterday and coming back with a better attitude. :) After working 35 hours last week I think I was starting to gaslight myself, LOL. o_0
Missymissdemeanour
06-23-2013, 05:04 PM
Sorry to post again, but this is so interesting to me.
I've been thinking about it and logically in order for the shuffle of girls to be happening the way it is then the only way it could logically work is if they don't only lock certain individual girls into place, it would seem that they also have individual catagories anchored too. If those catagories are anchored it would explain why a new crop of girls would jump to the top when the 'floaters' that changed their settings ended up at the back of the queue.
Curious and curiouser indeed!
Indeed JAC!! Please keep posting bb, it's the only way we can all learn and try to understand this whole situation :)
Nina_Den
06-23-2013, 05:36 PM
Had a really, really good evening again, even though my placement is horrible. I'm starting to think - perhaps it's because the maximum frames for second I can "handle" is 15? Either way, I can only think how much more I'd make if I had a good, normal placement. But, either way, it's been super-great.
Only other annoying thing is that 3 out of the exclusives that I had were VERY long, and all of the guys got kicked out at a certain point. Yet another lost potential. :(
Nevermind, though. I'm happy right now!
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Incantatious
06-23-2013, 05:51 PM
Sarah, I didn't go back to the old settings that night because after all that shit I immediately ditched SM to go elsewhere! Although next time I try to broadcast with SM I am going to try the old settings again, (if I still have them on my comp! O_O) and hopefully I'll get my placement back with that. :S