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Marina Starr
06-25-2013, 06:46 AM
I am using this! YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!

Here are the old settings to whoever needs them.

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Incantatious
06-25-2013, 08:43 AM
The truly terrifying thing is the fact that the new option to complain about the new features did not probably comeabout for the models.....

It is entirely possible that it is now there for the customers.

As yet they haven't responded to me.

They're saying this on the News section:

"In the near future, models streaming in widescreen and HD will have priority in the sorting order. Make sure to update before that happens!"


Fat. Fucking. Chance am I updating at this point. I'll update when it keeps my placement to front page where it's been for ages. It would be decent of them if they gave us a date for when this will take effect: I know NOT to update YET because of this placement bullshit. So, I'm assuming that we are to expect that there will just come a day - again! - where I'll log on and get 0 traffic because SM decided that that was the day when they were actually going to enforce this thing they were saying they were doing?

Unless their placement doesn't get screwed, who is going to want to do this now and see their placement and earnings go bye-bye until one day, it's just back again? Like meanwhile, what about our bills, food? lol. You know... Those thing we're there to pay for in the first place?

How many of us will actually ditch Streamate if our placement goes right down once the widescreen goes full reta- oh, I mean, full-force?

If my placement remained as bad as it was, there is no way I'm sticking with SM. Which is a shame because I've made the most on SM than any other site.

Rose_Who
06-25-2013, 09:34 AM
Holy crap guys...

I joined right around the time the widescreen settings came out, so I've been using them pretty much the whole time, except for MAYBE my first week online. So, this whole time, I've been in widescreen, and thought I was doing well because i was always floating around on page 2. Well, for shits and giggles and experimentation purposes, I switched back to the old settings...

BAM!!! page ONE!

temptingmodel
06-25-2013, 09:36 AM
The truly terrifying thing is the fact that the new option to complain about the new features did not probably comeabout for the models.....

It is entirely possible that it is now there for the customers.

haha the email you will receive from support

"We will forward this to the correct department.
Thank you for your patience"

That feature has been there forever, no worries bb, support still does nothing ;)

SadieTaylor
06-25-2013, 09:55 AM
I'm on page 1, but my earnings have trickled down since widescreen, I thought it was just the summer, but I am definitely going to try out the old settings again tonight. I preferred the way I looked in them and could move around more! So maybe that will help me too.
Holy crap guys...

I joined right around the time the widescreen settings came out, so I've been using them pretty much the whole time, except for MAYBE my first week online. So, this whole time, I've been in widescreen, and thought I was doing well because i was always floating around on page 2. Well, for shits and giggles and experimentation purposes, I switched back to the old settings...

BAM!!! page ONE!

justanothercamgirl
06-25-2013, 10:19 AM
Ah, Streamate.

I see that you are back to your whole 'crashing when I enter private' phase.

Looks like this is going to be a LONG day.

Vlodina
06-25-2013, 11:20 AM
So, I was just having a look around on SM with my customer account. So let me get this straight...
We get 35% of what the guys pay, which I've come to terms with! BUT when they pay our per minute rate they then have to pay an ADDITIONAL 20% on top of that for VAT!!!! I didn't know that before. I was checking out other girls' prices and it says that. So if your exclusive is eg. $5/min the guys are actually paying $6! :-O

So the percentage we are actually getting is... considering that they are paying 20% more than I thought they were... is really shit then? Like 29.66%

Cam_Model_Jess
06-25-2013, 12:02 PM
What's VAT?

PrincessLuna
06-25-2013, 12:11 PM
What's VAT?

It stands for "Value Added Tax". The US is VAT exempt (though we have sales tax) which is why it isn't common knowledge. The VAT is probably only charged to people in countries that are not VAT exempt, like the UK. This tax isn't issued because SM wants to, it's government decision I believe because that is who it is directly paid to. This means not all guys are charged VAT or taxes on their shows. Just the unfortunate guys in the UK, CA and whatnot.

ConnyLove
06-25-2013, 12:11 PM
20 % seems a very high rate anyway

SarahTime
06-25-2013, 12:27 PM
It stands for "Value Added Tax". The US is VAT exempt (though we have sales tax) which is why it isn't common knowledge. The VAT is probably only charged to people in countries that are not VAT exempt, like the UK. This tax isn't issued because SM wants to, it's government decision I believe because that is who it is directly paid to. This means not all guys are charged VAT or taxes on their shows. Just the unfortunate guys in the UK, CA and whatnot.

Yup.

I've purchased shows on SM before and I am only charged what is stated. Nothing extra.

PrincessLuna
06-25-2013, 12:31 PM
20 % seems a very high rate anyway

If I'm not mistaken the percentage is decided by the government. SM doesn't receive any of this tax as they pay it directly to the government. Porn is not a necessity for a person's survival, so that tax is understandably higher than say, food. Where I live in Canada necessity items like fruit and veggies are VAT exempt, but soda will be taxed 12%

(Totally off topic, but can I just say that that's really neat? In the states all food is taxed, but up here necessity food is tax free. Love it.)

Cam_Model_Jess
06-25-2013, 12:43 PM
Off topic: Groceries aren't taxed in the US. Just prepared foods.

Edit: Apparently it's by state ?

SarahTime
06-25-2013, 12:46 PM
Dare I say..... SM was 100% normal for me yesterday.... traffic wise, member wise, money wise..... *FINGERS CROSSED* it stays that way!

I did 7 hours 15 mins yesterday.... going for 8 today!

AliceFun
06-25-2013, 12:51 PM
We pay 24% VAT IN EE no matter what product we buy :( that's why life is soo expensive here and that's why 'normal' jobs wont bring enough money for me here. Luckily i dont pay taxes on camming income so this is again a plus for me tho i dont bank camming so a minus. Haha, does it make sense?

PrincessLuna
06-25-2013, 12:51 PM
Off topic: Groceries aren't taxed in the US. Just prepared foods.

Every place I've lived in states were not tax exempt (at all) so that's news to me! Hopefully more places follow suit.

JaneBurgess
06-25-2013, 03:19 PM
Haha Ho Shopping Network, love it. I'll ask them if they can deliver.



Ah, you called my bluff. The closest I get to baking these days is fantasizing about buying cookie dough and eating it straight from the container.

I'm too lazy to go out and get it tho. Does the Ho Shopping Network deliver?

justanothercamgirl
06-25-2013, 04:11 PM
I've got 99 problems.....

And Streamate is the cause of everyone one.

*JAC starts playing the camgirl blues on her harmonica*

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/3041869/bob-harmonica-end-o.gif (http://gifsoup.com/view/3041869/bob-harmonica-end.html)

Missymissdemeanour
06-25-2013, 04:20 PM
In the UK we pay VAT on so called 'luxery goods' some foods, bread, milk etc are VAT free coffee is VAT charged :-\ Now clothing is VAT rated except childrens clothing, various baby goods etc but did all you ladies know that sanitary towels etc are VAT charged >:( Since when has having a period been a luxery??? It stinks (pun ntended), some supermarkets here have waved VAT on these products, but they shouldn't have to, the fricking government should stop this!

temptingmodel
06-25-2013, 09:49 PM
We are so sick of sm that we have started talking taxes. lol

Move to NC and pay a TAX for every dam thing we buy. I pay tax to tan.

@Alice you make perfect sense. How you explained it helped me :) understand it.

bigbootyjudy1
06-25-2013, 10:07 PM
OMG ive had it.At this point i wanna just be like i dont give a damn.Today was super glitchy for me.No matter if i used new or old encoder setting.I know its not my computer cuz i have an i7 processor and upload speed of 10mbs.Ive also notice my placement has dropped.I guess thats what i get for taking Geo restriction off and checking my placement.Ughh,I love you Streamate but you giving me gray hairs.I'm wondering why they keep canceling my TV gold shows every time i start?But im so happy they still compensate me for it .I dont hate you streamate cuz you are keepin a roof over my head .Maybe the reason im losing placement is because im not working as much hours as i used to on there cuz i had to add a few more eggs to my basket .Summer hurry up be over already.These extra hour or two im putting in is draining my ass.

CariDee
06-26-2013, 12:33 AM
SM is asshat central lately! I'm thinking of giving Goldshows a miss for awhile. Any advice from girls only doing privates and exclusives ? Im a bit apprehensive that I might be be missing out by giving them up , but they have been a headache for me lately :/

Snowy0Star
06-26-2013, 12:55 AM
SM is asshat central lately! I'm thinking of giving Goldshows a miss for awhile. Any advice from girls only doing privates and exclusives ? Im a bit apprehensive that I might be be missing out by giving them up , but they have been a headache for me lately :/

i dont even have them enabled and i do ok

CariDee
06-26-2013, 01:11 AM
Thank you Snowy. I have been doing them a long time, but in the last couple of weeks they have not been worth it. It feels like Im wasting so much time with them with little results. Im not one of those people that bank with GS.
Problem is , about 50% of peeps I have on SM do not do anything else but Gold shows. Telling them Im giving it a miss for a while might mean I will lose them permanently. Some actually join regularly and it would be a bit sad to see them go.

But I guess I got to do what's good for me. And right now , gold show countdowns and the whole shabang are soul-destroying for me :(

Snowy0Star
06-26-2013, 01:15 AM
i personally think that if they only tip in for gold shows then theyre not regulars.theyre cheap fucktards that dont like u enuf to be willing to pay u what ur worth. u'd be doing urself a favor getting them out of ur life then.

CariDee
06-26-2013, 01:30 AM
Ha ha , fucktards! :D Most of them can be. Yeah , I wouldnt call them regulars. To me regulars are people that have done a few exclusives with me at least. They are familiar faces , I guess. Some do join every gold show and chat and are nice but I gotta do what I gotta do.

lifetravelergirl
06-26-2013, 01:49 AM
The new encoder settings on SM seem like a waste of bandwidth to me. Who wants to see a bunch of space on either side of me? And I feel compelled to upgrade to an i7 for this? What the frak?

lifetravelergirl
06-26-2013, 02:02 AM
i personally think that if they only tip in for gold shows then theyre not regulars.theyre cheap fucktards that dont like u enuf to be willing to pay u what ur worth. u'd be doing urself a favor getting them out of ur life then.

This is a good point. I get especially tired of guys who do a show every once in a while and then feel like they are entitled to a *free*chat buddy for life. I had one guy really impress me by tipping me $20 just for visiting with him in free chat (this was when I first started). After tipping me that $20 (one time) he felt entitled to talk to me whenever I was in my free chat. He even went on about how he was "dating" O_o one of the cam models on the site and this guy never gave me a dollar ever again but spent countless hours in my free chat, asking me personal questions. Essentially he needed an adult baby sitter who would work for free. I banned him for that.

Tips are a pretty rare occurrence for me, except when I am doing gold shows. It always warms my cam girl heart when a customer gives me a $50 pledge for one of my gold shows (which are usually about $12) or when I am doing a private with a guy and he tips me repeatedly during exclusive or maybe a lump sum of $25 tip during a private or an exclusive. I hardly ever get tips from guys in free chat but tips from guys pledging in excess for gold shows and tips during actual shows are a nice surprise. Still compared to when I was dancing I don't get the sense that I have any "regulars". Guys on cam sites just don't seem as loyal as in the club regulars but I sense that even regulars in the club tend to be an illusion. Maybe the act of being on cam sites causes guys to seem more transparent than regulars in clubs, I mean... it's the internet and it's guys.

~Carmen~
06-26-2013, 05:26 AM
The new encoder settings on SM seem like a waste of bandwidth to me. Who wants to see a bunch of space on either side of me? And I feel compelled to upgrade to an i7 for this? What the frak?

My thoughts exactly! The extra space we need is top to bottom, not side to side.

Marina Starr
06-26-2013, 05:32 AM
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x311/melaniamai/tumblr_mb384zOVH31r6uhdko1_500.gif

The new encoder settings on SM seem like a waste of bandwidth to me. Who wants to see a bunch of space on either side of me? And I feel compelled to upgrade to an i7 for this? What the frak?

kittykrane
06-26-2013, 06:11 AM
I disabled my Gold Shows a month ago and have switched back to PVT & EXC only..I'm doing way better without them..less stressed too, which is a really good thing. Guys who chip in the bare minimum and then think they can override the HIGH TIPPER during the show? There's always one or two loudmouths like that who want to act all cool...That's another reason why I just hate party chat all together. They seem to act like BIGGER dicks. Classic is nice because if I get some jerk say something really insulting, thinking that everyone else could see their comments, I just ignore them.

AliceFun
06-26-2013, 07:52 AM
Someone, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think everyone can see what another person types as long as their 'eye' is open. I have also noticed that party chat=more stupidity. I think it has something to do with the douche being able to see how big of a crowd he or she has for their catty remarks.

I know in Party chat everyone sees everyone's text unless a member types with 'eye closed' which would be a private message to the chathost only.
In classic members wont see each other posts at all while logged into the chatroom, in that case the 'closed eye' stands also for private message to the host only.
In both chat types invisible guests can read all text unless a member logged in chatroom decides to use the 'eye' to type a private message to performer.
I prefer Classic chat for the reason that i get less trolls in my room tho is more difficult to talk to each member that thinks he is the only user in the room lol.

Rose_Who
06-26-2013, 09:12 AM
SM is asshat central lately! I'm thinking of giving Goldshows a miss for awhile. Any advice from girls only doing privates and exclusives ? Im a bit apprehensive that I might be be missing out by giving them up , but they have been a headache for me lately :/

I tell Goldshow Guys to fuck off with abandon, and I'm doing fine. (Then again, my income is supplemental to my husband's, so I'm okay with still being in the Under $500/wk Club, so take that with a grain of salt.)

justanothercamgirl
06-26-2013, 09:14 AM
It kind of scares me that I made almost the same amount on MFC today then I have on SM all week

And I seriously suck at MFC!

Cam_Model_Jess
06-26-2013, 09:28 AM
The VAT thing is really interesting. My European clients are my biggest spenders, and they rarely mention the price.

Food tax is a state by state thing. My state taxes hot food, but not cold.

Weird. I didn't know. When I'm traveling, I shop at grocery stores instead of getting fast food & never been taxed, but it must've just been the states I was travelling in. Then again, I have yet to buy "hot food" from a grocery store in another state. I have questions, but I don't wanna derail the thread. To Google...

bigbootyjudy1
06-26-2013, 10:26 AM
Thank you Snowy. I have been doing them a long time, but in the last couple of weeks they have not been worth it. It feels like Im wasting so much time with them with little results. Im not one of those people that bank with GS.
Problem is , about 50% of peeps I have on SM do not do anything else but Gold shows. Telling them Im giving it a miss for a while might mean I will lose them permanently. Some actually join regularly and it would be a bit sad to see them go.

But I guess I got to do what's good for me. And right now , gold show countdowns and the whole shabang are soul-destroying for me :(



Ive cut down on the amount of gold shows i do.I will probaly do one a day .Unless its a Tv request because thats guaranteed money.Ive notice when the guys ask me to do a goldshow and i say no goldshow for the rest of the day.They usually take me private and i make the same amount i would of made in the gold show,with less time wasted.Gold shows dont seem to be worth it for me right now.Dont get me wrong ,i will do them every now and then and get a baller to pay for the whole show..But i feel like when i started doing more gold shows i was getting less regulars or my regulars would just leave cuz their like me one on one.The point im trying to make is since i always ramble .Less gold shows for me .Im going to try to build more regulars and stop catering to these cheap bastards .


So yes its possible to make a living without goldshows.Your kitty katt might be a lil bit sore ,unless you get more fetish base clienteles.

kittykrane
06-26-2013, 10:33 AM
^^ I do a lot of fetish..there are days when I never get to play with myself and I wouldn't mind a good orgasm. It can be very draining mentally though, especially when you get a man who doesn't know what the heck he likes and can't verbalize what he wants too well...The slightest wrong move and you could lose him..I can't stand those types.

Mare
06-26-2013, 10:40 AM
Maybe if they gave us 70% instead of 35 for GS I'd consider it. Other than that it's just fodder for the broke asses. Let them jerk it to their imagination. That's free. And why give the people that have the $$ less incentive to spend it on you when you just gave them a 10 min show for $5 and they jerked off in 2 min. Fuck In 2 minutes you make that off of one guy in pvt and didn't show a whole room your show.

Incantatious
06-26-2013, 12:00 PM
So, would I rather make MORE doing cheaper GOLD shows for "cheap asses", than make LESS for some more wealthier men who pay me more per min?

Well this is awkward because it brings with it all sorts of difficult questions like encouraging a cheaper culture where guys end up universally expecting cheap from every model. However, we still have the ability to diversify our shows depending on the cash being spent to make the low $ being spent more understandable. For example, I'll do cheap buy-ins for titty shows. I do shows where I simply remove my bra, and swing my tits about. That's all. No pussy, no interaction. Just my tits moving. Rather than shows being one-size-fits-all for the $1ers, we have the option to make them like lesser versions of our private shows, which can help lure them into privates to get more.

However, I am not going to lie. When the need for me to pay my bills has been sudden and / or urgent, and no one is paying for my shows, yes, I've absolutely whored out cheaper shows as an incentive for more guys to chip in, thus resulting in more cash for me. If the particular shift I am working is fruitless, and basically means: "no cash for you sweetiepie!", too right I will decrease my GOLD show fee. It results in more cheap-asses, yes, but we all know how erratic shifts can be depending on various factors beyond your control, and not making as much cash one night doesn't necessarily mean you're actually fucked, or aren't cut out for camming, or whatever.

Adapting to the crowd that you just so happen to get dealt on any particular night of the week is part and parcel of this job. If you're fortunate enough to NEVER need to expect anything less than to have traffic that secures you a $250 GS target every time you log on to work, that's absolutely fantastic. Heck, if you're lucky enough to even get a $100 each and every time you log on, that is amazing. I'd bet that the majority of us however, do not. We take the rough with the smooth and adapt to what's going on in our shift any given night. I don't like sitting around for 3 hours, losing my energy trying to sell a show that NO ONE is taking. In my eyes, a hustle that is nose-diving equates to me working for nothing. I work hard trying to sell shows at prices I think are worth it. But I value my hustling energy just as much as I value my actual show performance energy.

If my hustle is failing and I still need to make money, I'd rather make more from cheap-asses than less or nothing with pricier shows. That means I still get paid, and that's what's important to me. I'd still take $17.5 for meeting a $50 GS target with a cheap buy-in in 20 mins of online hustling time, than over $0 for trying an hour or more trying to sell a more expensive show that no one tipped / bought.

EphemeronXOXO
06-26-2013, 12:33 PM
Ladies I have a quick question! Does streamate changed a bit on application stuff? Coz I wanted to finish my verification and I saw that I can virtually sign the contract and dont need to print the contract as it was before. Can you tell me please if that is accurate? It is really new for me coz as far as I know until now streamate needed a printed signed and scanned contract. Thank you so much for advices XOXO <3

SarahTime
06-26-2013, 12:37 PM
SM is asshat central lately! I'm thinking of giving Goldshows a miss for awhile. Any advice from girls only doing privates and exclusives ? Im a bit apprehensive that I might be be missing out by giving them up , but they have been a headache for me lately :/

I used to do probably 90% gold shows, now I do maybe 10% gold shows. I make just about the same really, it all seems to even out. There are still plenty of customers willing to do private and exclusive, thankfully! :)

ConnyLove
06-26-2013, 12:39 PM
Ladies I have a quick question! Does streamate changed a bit on application stuff? Coz I wanted to finish my verification and I saw that I can virtually sign the contract and dont need to print the contract as it was before. Can you tell me please if that is accurate? It is really new for me coz as far as I know until now streamate needed a printed signed and scanned contract. Thank you so much for advices XOXO <3

Yes you don't longer need to print out . I opened a new account last week , and it was approved within a couple of hours. Some girls said that they have to wait 2 months or so , but in my case it took just 5 hours.

Marina Starr
06-26-2013, 12:41 PM
That's awesome! I remember having to print them out. What a pain in the ass that was. I see SM is moving up in the world!

Yes you don't longer need to print out . I opened a new account last week , and it was approved within a couple of hours. Some girls said that they have to wait 2 months or so , but in my casee it took like 5 hours.

EphemeronXOXO
06-26-2013, 12:43 PM
Yes you don't longer need to print out . I opened a new account last week , and it was approved within a couple of hours. Some girls said that they have to wait 2 months or so , but in my case it took just 5 hours.

Thank you soooo very much! <3<3<3 Should I maybe post about it in the newbie camgirl thread to let girls know it is way easier now?! Thank you sooo much again! Huuuggss <3

Mare
06-26-2013, 12:48 PM
Now, Now. I'm not trying to piss anyone off. If you can hustle the gold shows that's great. However you make your money it's green. I just like to think you teach people how to treat you. If they can get cheaper shows I'm thinking they might hold out for that. When we were doing couples shows we did them as a way to entice people to watch us. Solo I'd rather wait at this point. I know it gets you on the front page, it's less clothes on and off and maybe less dicking you vag? I dunno. Just not for me right now.
I've done my fair share of checking out the rooms. it seems there's alot of girls getting frustrated during their countdowns. And the guys are too demanding for what they're spending.

justanothercamgirl
06-26-2013, 12:55 PM
I think we can all agree that you need to use the Gold Show when it benefits you and not let the Gold Show use you in a way that makes you take abusive from custies or allow custies to become too demanding.

I think we can also all agree that finding the fine line between both of these things is in itself a fine art. ;)

Incantatious
06-26-2013, 01:04 PM
Now, Now. I'm not trying to piss anyone off. If you can hustle the gold shows that's great. However you make your money it's green. I just like to think you teach people how to treat you. If they can get cheaper shows I'm thinking they might hold out for that. When we were doing couples shows we did them as a way to entice people to watch us. Solo I'd rather wait at this point. I know it gets you on the front page, it's less clothes on and off and maybe less dicking you vag? I dunno. Just not for me right now.
I've done my fair share of checking out the rooms. it seems there's alot of girls getting frustrated during their countdowns. And the guys are too demanding for what they're spending.

You didn't piss anyone off at all! I enjoy the discussion. :)

In my own experience, cheaper GOLD shows haven't actually cheapened my audience. My private rates stand solidly at 9.99 and 14.99 exclusive, and after a year of the technique I detailed in my previous post of taking the rough with the smooth, adapting to traffic and altering my GOLD show prices depending on the hand I'm being dealt each night, I still get privates at those rates and when used in conjunction with various GS prices, I still hover around a more than satisfactory amount per hour.

My policy on cheapasses is pretty much this: If you're waiting for me to do a cheap show, okay cool, whatever, wait. But beg, freeload, or piss me off, and you're banned.

temptingmodel
06-26-2013, 01:11 PM
haha the gold show issues. So many mixed feelings on my end all the time. One day I do great and one day I suck. Almost everyday I make great money, a hustle is a hustle.
LiKe @Kitty and cater to fetish crowds. Im a open person, very few things do get to me. Fetishes can be "extreme" but to me blah, its someones fantasy and I love roleplaying. She is so right, the wrong move, the wrong word, they can be gone. I do fetishes in exclusive only , I have some long term fetish TRY to do reg chat and when I kick them out they get mad. I have yet to really lose one but he will come in like he is going to buy a show and leaves, as if he is mindfucking me. I ignore him. I think that turns them on more bc they want us to want them a desire what they desire. They can be little pricks when they do not get what they want.


Gold Shows can be super fun with the right crowd.
My best gold shows are the fetish guys. When its mostly fetish, I seem to turn others out so to speak and they go private for "what fetishes do you do bb" Gold shows are a good way to market yourself as well.

Funny that my fetishes have nothing to do w extreme anal, prolapse, its all verbal.

Mare
06-26-2013, 01:13 PM
:) Cool.

TheBrownFox
06-26-2013, 02:16 PM
I've peeked in a few top models' rooms today, and every single one of them had to restart their Gold show countdowns because guys were being ridiculously cheap today. The room topics were incredibly generous (less than $1/minute), and guys were still complaining that x minutes "isn't enough time to cum," and saying stuff like "Can I get a preview of you talking dirty?" *facepalm* I think it's horrible how these guys treat models sometimes. You've got a lovely lady offering to do all this stuff for really cheap, and you're gonna be a cheapass and ask her 100 million questions to decide if you'll part with your fucking $3. SMH. I felt angry just watching it (angry FOR my fellow models who are being treated like that).