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SexyLittleThing
01-30-2014, 05:17 PM
Girls, do you know a good site that works like Streamate? Where privates are more appreciated and not the free shows for all? Something that's not like MFC?

Snowy0Star
01-30-2014, 05:19 PM
Girls, do you know a good site that works like Streamate? Where privates are more appreciated and not the free shows for all? Something that's not like MFC?

um theres lots of them MFC and SM arent the only cam sites in the universe...

im live
adult work
naked
streamray
i friends

SexyLittleThing
01-30-2014, 05:46 PM
Thank you.

But I don't know if you understood what I asked.
Most of these sites are just like MFC. And I don't like the way MFC works - hustle in free chat, entertaining and getting tokens.
I like how Streamate works and I wondered if there's a good alternative to Streamate that's like Streamate.

Streamate has been dead for far too long.

Snowy0Star
01-30-2014, 05:50 PM
Thank you.

But I don't know if you understood what I asked.
Most of these sites are just like MFC. And I don't like the way MFC works - hustle in free chat, entertaining and getting tokens.
I like how Streamate works and I wondered if there's a good alternative to Streamate that's like Streamate.

Streamate has been dead for far too long.

you dont undstand what im telling you ...
all those sites i just listed are pay per min based NOT token sites like MFC is

basically what ur asking for is for more pvt based sites i provided that for you. my crystal ball is in the shop i cant predict how well ur going to do on those sites . only you can sign up try them out and see how u do. most sites have threads here on them do ur research dont asked to be spoonfed

Holly_xoxo
01-30-2014, 06:05 PM
I just went to check to see if I had any new messages on SM and I noticed two people doing free Gold Shows. Literally, a zero dollar buy in.
Is this a new trend? Lol...I've always wondered if that whole hang out thing worked for bringing in business.

Snowy0Star
01-30-2014, 06:10 PM
I just went to check to see if I had any new messages on SM and I noticed two people doing free Gold Shows. Literally, a zero dollar buy in.
Is this a new trend? Lol...I've always wondered if that whole hang out thing worked for bringing in business.

wow just wow i didnt even know could do that whats the point of that x amount of gold for x action?

bbwchristyminx
01-30-2014, 06:12 PM
I just went to check to see if I had any new messages on SM and I noticed two people doing free Gold Shows. Literally, a zero dollar buy in.
Is this a new trend? Lol...I've always wondered if that whole hang out thing worked for bringing in business.

I did this one time and it was one of my most highest earning g.s. I think it confused them because they tipped $5,10,20... I only did that once. I rarely do g.s anymore because i hate feeling like a barking seal in the circus begging for their rinky dink $2 buy in. LoL :)

Holly_xoxo
01-30-2014, 06:18 PM
I've often seen people on there doing the zero dollar gold shows or just hanging out. Even having their topic as "no pvts or excl..just a hang out night"
I honestly am curious if that tactic works and you make more money in the end. I personally couldn't do it because I have too much of a "fuck you...pay me" attitude and I don't want to share my personal life and have a bunch of these guys feel like they're my hang out buddy.

Snowy0Star
01-30-2014, 06:28 PM
I've often seen people on there doing the zero dollar gold shows or just hanging out. Even having their topic as "no pvts or excl..just a hang out night"
I honestly am curious if that tactic works and you make more money in the end. I personally couldn't do it because I have too much of a "fuck you...pay me" attitude and I don't want to share my personal life and have a bunch of these guys feel like they're my hang out buddy.

i think this only works when ur a top model and u have following with guys u really do click with on a somewhat personal level much like how they do hangout gold shows and have a tip in show that they sometimes do when its slow.

but i agree it depends on ur hustle and how u work ur room and ur regs

Busygirl
01-30-2014, 06:39 PM
I've often seen people on there doing the zero dollar gold shows or just hanging out. Even having their topic as "no pvts or excl..just a hang out night"
I honestly am curious if that tactic works and you make more money in the end. I personally couldn't do it because I have too much of a "fuck you...pay me" attitude and I don't want to share my personal life and have a bunch of these guys feel like they're my hang out buddy.

Oh great, let's do all free gold shows, what an awesome idea, just imagine the benefits it will bring over time, it will be so good bb, i mean imagine everyone can fuck in free , no? especially the top girls, since it gotta work , no? Fuck Privates and 1 dollar gold shows, OMG let's make an MFC bbs, so awesome!!!

MissQuirk
01-30-2014, 07:51 PM
I like being an expensive bitch.

:highfive:

SarahTime
01-30-2014, 08:02 PM
I've often seen people on there doing the zero dollar gold shows or just hanging out. Even having their topic as "no pvts or excl..just a hang out night"
I honestly am curious if that tactic works and you make more money in the end. I personally couldn't do it because I have too much of a "fuck you...pay me" attitude and I don't want to share my personal life and have a bunch of these guys feel like they're my hang out buddy.

I tried the $0 buy in show to see what it would be like... I made a nice chunk on the first one, but the other couple times I tried it was a total waste of time. I really don't recommend it at all.

tinydancer23
01-30-2014, 08:49 PM
if your buy in is $0 you have to do non-nude/non-explicit, don't you? that's the way it was in the beginning...

Holly_xoxo
01-30-2014, 08:54 PM
if your buy in is $0 you have to do non-nude/non-explicit, don't you? that's the way it was in the beginning...
From what I've seen, it's a full on show just like a private would be. It 0$ for however many minutes you want.

Mare
01-31-2014, 04:11 AM
Oh great, let's do all free gold shows, what an awesome idea, just imagine the benefits it will bring over time, it will be so good bb, i mean imagine everyone can fuck in free , no? especially the top girls, since it gotta work , no? Fuck Privates and 1 dollar gold shows, OMG let's make an MFC bbs, so awesome!!!

That was my first idea. Let's turn it into MF fucking C. If those ladies starting that shit go to MFC and try to work for a week they will see why it's better to train the men that they don't get shit until they pay.

Incantatious
01-31-2014, 07:07 AM
I don't think SM is getting bad because girls are giving away $0 shows. I think girls are giving away $0 shows BECAUSE it's been bad.

I think they don't know how the fuck they're supposed to work if just NO ONE is doing anything at all, so wth? May as well try it and just see. They're obviously still concerned about making money, but trying a different strategy hoping to still be earning at least something.

Bubblegum1235
01-31-2014, 08:13 AM
I don´t understand how this works. I saw a girl doing a 0 dollar buy in show, but I thought that in order to see the show, the member would have to pledge with at least a dollar...but then I thought that why didn´t she just made a $1 goldshow...so, any member gets to see the show for free?

NikkitaExotica
01-31-2014, 08:37 AM
Oh great, lets make Streamate like MFC awesome idea! *throws laptop out window*

Renton
01-31-2014, 08:55 AM
dead for me and I got kicked off AGAIN -_- this needs to stop happening soon cause it just makes me wanna quit for the day!

Incantatious
01-31-2014, 08:55 AM
It's difficult when it feels like things are changing in camming on a certain site, and you don't know how to adapt when those changes have meant less money for you and yet you still need to make it. This is where I see the $0 GS girls coming from, when they do them.

To be fair, I have seen girls make at least *something* half-decent when they do that, but of course that being the "new thing" / "SM is turning into MFC!" seems very scary. Even so though, I'm reluctant to blame the girls themselves if they've been consistent with their work, and didn't have to do that before, then what's changed if they haven't? We know SM has been having issues.

I mean, can anyone really imagine camming turning into one huge free-for-all in which NO ONE makes shit (including the camsites?) Those sites would shut the fuck down if everyone went from being paid, to giving it away for free because there would be no point running such a business if there's no profit in it anymore. It's not going to happen.


The way I see it, SM has recently been going through some internal changes which has meant site glitches and connection issues for some models, and it's going through a period of readjustment. It's still in SM's best interest for it's models to have frequent privates. The higher our rates, the more shows we do, the more money they get.


Above all, we need to stay positive. Not keeping all of our eggs in one basket certainly helps. How can we remain in this profession if we freak the fuck out when things like this happen? But think about this: Even if SM did become the new MFC, it's not the end of the world. Having the hustle of MFC down would still mean you were one wealthy person. And getting the hustle of a site down isn't impossible if you study it enough and learn what it takes to get there. And adaptation is where it's at if we want to remain in this profession, period.

Glamourmilf
01-31-2014, 10:27 AM
The 0 dollar buy-in shows are just to get new custies. Plus they keep You in the top listing while You're doing them, and there is no nudity allowed. (some girls are topless though).

It's just kind of a meet and greet, and if the model has patience, I say, why not?
Unfortunately I don't have that kind of time to sit around and chat for free, so It's not even something I would consider,
I have done a similar type gold show, where for 3,or more gold buy-in, ill sit naked and answer any of their questions, maybe tell a sexy story. I'm probably going to have to resurrect that kind of show, it seems, because I've reached my tolerance level for free chat.

Thymian
01-31-2014, 10:42 AM
The $0 gold shows I saw yesterday were a model who is known for her hang out shows. I think had gotten there after the first one had ended, and she was talking about perfecting some new technique and she had some kind of a bungee cord. I think she's intriguing and always comes up with neat ideas so I hung out hoping she would talk more about it. It was clear she was trying out something new and wasn't satisfied with it and she said she wanted to try it again so she ran another $0 show to basically take it out of free chat because, pussy, but it seemed like she didn't want to charge her room to watch her working on something new that wasn't quite there yet. Seems like she was working out the kinks live and it wasn't ready to sell it yet but she couldn't do it in free chat because of the nudity rules.

Of course I had to see for myself so I pledged but I am not sure if it was just me being logged in through my cammodels link or not but there is a $1 minimum set on the amount you can type into the gold box, and everyone else was pledging $1 or $2 as well (plus some bigger ones). She's very popular (with the fans as well as the site) so I am sure she banks off the smallest buy-in shows, and especially since she then got a TV gold show for a much higher amount than I usually see (around 375, IIRC). To me this model is a bit of a SM anomaly and can kind of do what she wants. It doesn't bother me because her audience and mine shall probably never meet.

Glamourmilf
01-31-2014, 11:01 AM
^^ Exactly! A bungee cord? was she doing a bungee jump Gold show? If it's who I think it is, I wouldn't put it past her. she's always lots of fun, and full of energy.

Thymian
01-31-2014, 11:29 AM
^^ Exactly! A bungee cord? was she doing a bungee jump Gold show? If it's who I think it is, I wouldn't put it past her. she's always lots of fun, and full of energy.

It's hard to describe... she was using it attached to a doorframe with a dildo stuck to the door itself while pulling on it to slide back and forth. Sort of a homemade fucking machine. She ended up taking the dildo off and just using it with her hand but everyone had fun. I like the ingenuity behind it but it looked like a lot of work, LOL!

Rosemary Rabbit
01-31-2014, 01:41 PM
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laurielegs
01-31-2014, 03:02 PM
if your buy in is $0 you have to do non-nude/non-explicit, don't you? that's the way it was in the beginning...

SM have changed it now. Once you put a goal in you can set it for explicit by a little checkbox in there.

I have mixed feelings about this feature. I would love to go back to the good old days when free videochat was unheard of and cam models were pissed off because someone showed too much cleavage or *gasp* naked tits in their preview photo! ;)

It's possible this feature could be used to our advantage but I'm not really sure how.

Holly_xoxo
01-31-2014, 03:17 PM
I have mixed feelings also. I think everyone has the right to do what they want in their room and part of me thinks it would keep the freeloaders out of mine but at the same time I think it would be like when Gold Shows first came out. Everyone will swarm to the rooms with the 0$ buy in but I don't think it will take long before the novelty fades and you're stuck with a room of "free goldshow bb?"

I'll just keep doing what I do. Luckily, most of the men I play with like one on one interaction or a specific fetish, so I don't think I'd lose any of those guys if more ladies start doing the free thing.

I'm interested to see what happens. Now that some of the top ladies are doing it, there's bound to be other's to try it also if they see it working.

Katie0
01-31-2014, 04:54 PM
Ok.. I just caught a $0 gold show and I'm confused.. I didn't pledge anything until after the show started and I still got to see the vag in free chat. So isn't this like flashing in free? Or masturbating in free? Isn't that against streamate rules??! I'm really confused..lol. Someone enlighten me?

space_cowgirl
01-31-2014, 05:09 PM
Really, it does the free show in free chat? That's crazy.

Holly_xoxo
01-31-2014, 05:12 PM
It's not a show in free chat. Once the countdown is done, it automatically switches you in the show if you were in the room to begin with. Since it's a 0$ show, you don't have to buy in so you go in to the show with everyone else.

BritishBecky
01-31-2014, 05:13 PM
it shows the entire show to anyone logged in. During the countdown it looks as though you have to put in at least $1. However, if you don't put in anything at all and just wait it out then you still get to see the show as soon as it starts. I have no idea why you would do regular shows this way.

JaneBurgess
01-31-2014, 05:14 PM
I dont think will Streamate will become MFC, but I do think they need to crack down on the full nudity in free chat. When they allow topless nudity in free chat they should have known they need people to monitor the free chat area. If you give some of these performers an inch, they will take a mile. I honestly don't see the point of any nudity in free chat. Sure a few guys will pay but you have way more lurkers that never pay that sit there and wait for free nudity. I wish there was a semi nude option, that would be cool.

Staples
01-31-2014, 06:08 PM
Ugh, been hanging out watching other girls and I suddenly don't feel so bad about how I've been doing this week. Girls on the top row can't even get $1 and $2 Gold shows started.

lemonberry
01-31-2014, 06:16 PM
Ugh, been hanging out watching other girls and I suddenly don't feel so bad about how I've been doing this week. Girls on the top row can't even get $1 and $2 Gold shows started.

Well you just answered my question of I should bother logging on...The past two weeks or so have been pure crap for me. Idk what time is even a good time to get on anymore.

bbwchristyminx
01-31-2014, 06:36 PM
In case anyone is wondering I got my 1099 in the mail today. Also I saved a ton of money this Valentines by switching to single :)

CurvyWinona
01-31-2014, 06:37 PM
I got my 1099 today too.

Marina Starr
01-31-2014, 06:44 PM
Oh wow! Now I'm excited for mine! Took forever last year!

I got my 1099 today too.

scarlettbelle
01-31-2014, 07:11 PM
I've been making my usual average/hour so far tonight. There are definitely some glitches though. I don't think I'm seeing what a lot of guys are typing. I usually get a LOT of talking during Gold shows, but the one I did tonight was dead silent. So weird.

PrincessLavender
01-31-2014, 09:21 PM
Was doing good this morning then suddenly my traffic dropped. I logged off to take a little break and decided to see how the other girls online were doing. I stumbled across one of the $0 buy in GOLD shows and she was whining about she didn't have any traffic. There were 60 people in there. I thought, "really? I can't get more than 3 and you're bitching about 60?" Traffic was horrible for me after that. There were almost 200 people in her room by time she started the show.

DISCLAIMER: I am not putting another cam girl down for making money, nor am I blaming her for my bad traffic. Just been a slow week for me and I'm a little sensitive. Lol.

AliceFun
01-31-2014, 09:43 PM
^^^ From all that 60 guys in her room was any of them actually pledging for her show? Maybe she meant she has no 'paying traffic', what use to have 60 guys in ur room if none pays?

By the way, i see the $0 GS as VERY VERY dangerous path for business if girls start doing them in masses, very soon guys will EXPECT to be entertained for free by everyone not only GS girls, they already expect this to a certain level, i wonder how this will turn out later on.

Remember how GS started? Very lucrative at 1st for performers able to work them then it turned into difficult work in time and now they not lucrative anymore. The bad consequence is guys got very cheap & entitled, business changed in a bad direction where is more and more difficult to make money now a days.

I am NOT happy to be right with my 'predictions' in this case, i suffer too for the lack of business & am sure we'll suffer even more if girls start doing $0 GS more and more. Oh well....

bbwchristyminx
01-31-2014, 10:08 PM
I hope this isn't a permanent thing where guys can't go private,exclusive or tip from their cell phones cause some of my regular custies kept saying that there isn't even a place for them to click to go into paid chat :( damn wtf did SM do!!!!

lemonberry
02-01-2014, 06:01 AM
I hope this isn't a permanent thing where guys can't go private,exclusive or tip from their cell phones cause some of my regular custies kept saying that there isn't even a place for them to click to go into paid chat :( damn wtf did SM do!!!!

I've been having that problem with the cell customers off and on for a while now. That or it kicks them out of pvt.

Rosemary Rabbit
02-01-2014, 08:54 AM
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SweetJulia
02-01-2014, 09:29 AM
I just wanted to tell everyone worried about the zero dollar gold shows not to be. After all, with all the tech issues SM has, people will have their screens freeze, get kicked out, or not even be able to stream lol. In all seriousness though, this isn't something I'd do and don't see how it's going to benefit our little community as a whole. I'd really like to hear from someone actually doing these free shows to see if it's getting them more fans, money, etc.. I promise to be polite.

DahliaDaVille
02-01-2014, 09:38 AM
I just wanted to tell everyone worried about the zero dollar gold shows not to be. After all, with all the tech issues SM has, people will have their screens freeze, get kicked out, or not even be able to stream lol. In all seriousness though, this isn't something I'd do and don't see how it's going to benefit our little community as a whole. I'd really like to hear from someone actually doing these free shows to see if it's getting them more fans, money, etc.. I promise to be polite.

REDACTED has been doing them all morning so far and has hit her $200 goal each and every time. I used to be against the idea of doing shows for free, but this seems to be working well for a few of the models on the first page. Especially if you have other incentives to tip, like picture sets or videos.

I can definitely understand that it's not for everyone, but even I may give it a try. Guys seem to enjoy your generosity, and feel like they should be generous in turn.

gingerstripper
02-01-2014, 10:03 AM
0 dollar gold shows....are beyond stupid. IF YOU DO NOT GET CLOSE TO YOUR GOAL DO NOT DO THE SHOW... simple as that.
Do not let them start thinking they get free shit.. they don't they are customers and ya'll should leave it at that.
its dangerous to do 0 dollar gold shows... why THE FUCK would you do that? seriously.. it will ruin SM and it will turn into MFC. fuck that shit. seriously people piss me off... theyre dumb

gingerstripper
02-01-2014, 10:11 AM
ALSO THE ALREADY SELF ENTITLED CHEAP ASS FUCKS.... already think everything should be cheap... you girls need put ur guards back up... do not give in to what they want... do a show for 150-200, 250... 400!?!? meet that goal.. if you dont get close to it.. DON'T DO IT!!! they will learn... I never ever.. ever do a shower til i am within 50 dollars left of my goal or less. because I will end up making that goal. Yesterday I made over a 400 dollar goal.. YOU CAN DO IT.. this baffles me.. obviously or I wouldnt put a 2nd post up.

Holly_xoxo
02-01-2014, 10:16 AM
Yesterday I saw a few guys in a free show, encouraging people to put money in (obviously not themselves) because "if they make some money, more girls will start doing free shows"

I just have too much of a mental block when it comes to freeloaders. The idea of them all hovering outside my room waiting for me to start a zero show, then swarming in when the countdown gets to the last minute....not my thing personally.

It must be better for those guys on SM because on MFC, it can take quite a long time for a girl to hit her token goal. On SM, you just have to wait for the twenty minute countdown to be over. It's much faster.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-01-2014, 10:30 AM
I'm thinking a lot of girls are gonna pull the copycat routine and will bomb on those zero buy ins. It's not always good to do what everyone else is doing. Also the name mentioned above has a huge following. Some of those ladies can afford to gamble. I know I can't. I would just work that hustle on a token site when I have time to hangout.

gingerstripper
02-01-2014, 10:36 AM
^exactly. You can also do a hang out show, but at least make them pay... you dont need your time wasted. they wouldnt work for free. so why should you? freeloaders make my skin crawl and so do stupid people.