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PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-01-2014, 11:12 AM
I'm pretty sure that was another model more than likely, but anyways Im not lowering my prices. This person is clearly fucked up but sooo many look at our prices as a reflection of our worth. Or are basing our worth upon their own prejudices. Anyways it's good to know I'm one of the expensive bitches.....at $4.99 Puh-Lease


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kortneykay
02-01-2014, 11:31 AM
What another girl does has no bearing on me.

BritishBecky
02-01-2014, 11:37 AM
I just don't understand it. The person mentioned above hits those goals anyway. I could totally understand if she is making a load more money than usual, and if she is then good for her. It just doesn't look like she's actually making that much more than usual. I personally don't like to reward the guys who hang out being arseholes in my room. I'll try most things once, but I just can't stomach this one.

justanothercamgirl
02-01-2014, 12:05 PM
What another girl does has no bearing on me.

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SoloDesire
02-01-2014, 12:29 PM
I still think gold shows are too cheap for ME. I don't do them. I refuse to give a full show to ANYONE for a couple dollars. The cheap guys will flock to the cheap shows. The guys who want quality time with you and are quality customers will pay good money for your time...and those are the guys I work for. So anyone who wants to give free shows to free loading customers can have them. Then maybe they won't come in my room begging me. Lol

Ms.Lacey
02-01-2014, 12:48 PM
I'm pretty sure that was another model more than likely, but anyways Im not lowering my prices. This person is clearly fucked up but sooo many look at our prices as a reflection of our worth. Or are basing our worth upon their own prejudices. Anyways it's good to know I'm one of the expensive bitches.....at $4.99 Puh-Lease


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That troll came to my room but i blew kisses lol n banned

LittleLexy
02-01-2014, 01:19 PM
I'm pretty sure that was another model more than likely, but anyways Im not lowering my prices. This person is clearly fucked up but sooo many look at our prices as a reflection of our worth. Or are basing our worth upon their own prejudices. Anyways it's good to know I'm one of the expensive bitches.....at $4.99 Puh-Lease


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Sounds like the asshat that told me I was to old to charge 7.99 a minute. Same exact wording. Fuck you Dude...if you didn't like my age why did you pop in my chat room and sit there for awhile. Just one man giving all good men a bad name. I laughed at him..and asked him if he knew how ignorant that made him look. I seriously look at men in a total different way since I started camming

lemonberry
02-01-2014, 01:33 PM
Sounds like the asshat that told me I was to old to charge 7.99 a minute. Same exact wording. Fuck you Dude...if you didn't like my age why did you pop in my chat room and sit there for awhile. Just one man giving all good men a bad name. I laughed at him..and asked him if he knew how ignorant that made him look. I seriously look at men in a total different way since I started camming

If it was an actual customer, I would be willing to bet he changes his name after and pops back into the room to if the model has dropped her price.

gingerstripper
02-01-2014, 01:34 PM
had a bunch of people ask me to do free shows today because other people are doing it.. and giving out free videos. fuck that

Snowy0Star
02-01-2014, 01:44 PM
I dont even do gold shows at all i prefer quality not quantity. if u cant afford my rates thats on you. I irks me to all hells end when theres 2-3 guys in my room and one of them asks me to do a gold shows. yeah let me log out go into party chat and start a gold show so you guys can watch me prance around and beg for gold. If i wanted to prance around in my undies and dance for free id go on cb or mfc and there im at least guarantee id get 50% vs 35% if i got anything at all

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-01-2014, 01:54 PM
If it was an actual customer, I would be willing to bet he changes his name after and pops back into the room to if the model has dropped her price.

If anything It makes me want to increase my rates. I didnt acknowledge the comment. I just silently banned him or her and kept smiling for the guys in my room.

SarahTime
02-01-2014, 02:21 PM
^^^ From all that 60 guys in her room was any of them actually pledging for her show? Maybe she meant she has no 'paying traffic', what use to have 60 guys in ur room if none pays?


Just FYI... when we look at other models and we see there are "60" guys in the room, this number is showing the "guest users" - aka guys with credit cards on file, all the ones you see that come in and can buy a show or send gold that instant if they wanted, AND the "free users" - aka all the guys in the free chat window who have no credit card on file and would have to add one in order to go private or send gold.

So she may have had 55 "free users" and 5 "guest users". No one knows but the model. Even guys logged into members accounts cannot tell how much of the total number of people "in the room" are free or guest users.

justanothercamgirl
02-01-2014, 02:33 PM
I dont even do gold shows at all i prefer quality not quantity. if u cant afford my rates thats on you. I irks me to all hells end when theres 2-3 guys in my room and one of them asks me to do a gold shows. yeah let me log out go into party chat and start a gold show so you guys can watch me prance around and beg for gold. If i wanted to prance around in my undies and dance for free id go on cb or mfc and there im at least guarantee id get 50% vs 35% if i got anything at all

I know you probably didn't mean it this way....but I just wanted to point out that saying that you 'prefer quality not quantity' is kind of really insulting to those of us to who choose to do gold shows.

SoloDesire
02-01-2014, 02:38 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the "free chat" users are in grey and the users with credit cards are in black. Although it does add them all together for the room total, you can scroll down and see how many are grey users.

Snowy0Star
02-01-2014, 02:42 PM
I know you probably didn't mean it this way....but I just wanted to point out that saying that you 'prefer quality not quantity' is kind of really insulting to those of us to who choose to do gold shows.

that was a jab at the guys who pay/ask for them not the models that do them or was the jab at custies offensive to you ? 0.o i dont really count voyeurs because theres no countdown

justanothercamgirl
02-01-2014, 02:48 PM
that was a jab at the guys who pay/ask for them not the models that do them or was the jab at custies offensive to you ? 0.o i dont really count voyeurs because theres no countdown

Oh, I know you are a complete sweetheart and would never mean it that way........I just figured I'd point it out just in case. You never know what silly misunderstanding will cause the big drama-lama war around here. ;)

Charlotteslut
02-01-2014, 02:49 PM
I don't see how pricing trends couldn't affect most models, honestly.

I mean, if you are in a niche, that makes sense because fewer people are offering that service. But if you are a cute girl that just wants to masturbate on cam...and the standard is low low prices for cute girls giving vanilla shows....of course it will affect you.

Remember when Hayden made that thread about raising prices, and everyone felt confident to raise them and that became the new norm, at least for SW members? It's the same thing.

Like...fuck these guys who want a live sex show for 10 cents a minute. **Raw opinions incoming** They do not deserve to be rewarded for begging, trolly behaviour. You have to train them, like little sex doggies. (lol, femdom mode might still be on) Men already feel entitled to so much in life. I refuse to give them live streaming porn for pennies. Fuck themmmmmmmmm.

I had someone complaining about a 2 dollar buy in. REALLY?????? I can't even get decent coffee for $2 and that coffee isn't going to make me cum. Well, some have come close but you know what I mean.

SarahTime
02-01-2014, 04:07 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the "free chat" users are in grey and the users with credit cards are in black. Although it does add them all together for the room total, you can scroll down and see how many are grey users.

Yah, you can do that. I figure most people don't want to add up all the gray names just to figure out how many are really in free chat lol :)

Marina Starr
02-01-2014, 04:14 PM
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/844876_zps1c42bee0.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/844876_zps1c42bee0.gif.html)

For the girls who want to do FREE shows... do yourself a favor and go to myFREEcams... people are idiots. and yes... im pissed over the fucking insanity and stupidity of some people.


Camming isnt "oh you cant afford my pussy...oh its on the house ;)..here you go baby. let me fuck myself for free" FUCK NO

Cam_Model_Jess
02-01-2014, 04:41 PM
Marina bb I missssed you! :)

Marina Starr
02-01-2014, 04:50 PM
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/post-31251-Oprah-crying-touched-gif-Imgur-IFUW_zps5a91f644.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/post-31251-Oprah-crying-touched-gif-Imgur-IFUW_zps5a91f644.gif.html)

Marina bb I missssed you! :)

Rina
02-01-2014, 04:50 PM
Marina you always have the perfect gifs.

PS I love that Klaus gif.

Marina Starr
02-01-2014, 04:58 PM
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/tumblr_m7xtguXb321qgy8r3o1_500_zps145f83aa.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/tumblr_m7xtguXb321qgy8r3o1_500_zps145f83aa.gif.htm l)

Marina you always have the perfect gifs.

PS I love that Klaus gif.

justanothercamgirl
02-01-2014, 05:49 PM
I had someone complaining about a 2 dollar buy in. REALLY?????? I can't even get decent coffee for $2 and that coffee isn't going to make me cum. Well, some have come close but you know what I mean.

You found $2 coffee that almost made you cum? I need details, bb! I am obviously drinking the wrong brand of coffee. ;)

justanothercamgirl
02-01-2014, 05:58 PM
This is my 2 cents......it is only my personal opinion so I have no problem if you take it or leave it.

When is comes to what is currently 'ruining' camgirl's ability to make money on Streamate right now....I save all my own righteous rage for Streamate Limited itself and its constantly turning its blind eye to the glaringly obvious fact that the glitches on its site are getting progressively worse and worse.

That shit has had way more major affect on my income more then any $0 gold show that has ever been offered by any camgirl on the site.

Just sayin'

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-01-2014, 06:17 PM
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This is how I feel about many of the big sites and platforms that I work from time to time. Filled with internal issues and glitches but they know that we'll lose focus. They expect us to pay attention to things like what everyone else is doing and how poorly the site is run and lose site of what's really going on. It's like a game of 3 Card Monte. At least that's what I equate it to? You try and keep your eye on the prize but then your customer can't enter private from a tablet. Or a call can't connect. Customers being tricked into signing up with dating sites....Ugh I could go on.



This is my 2 cents......it is only my personal opinion so I have no problem if you take it or leave it.

When is comes to what is currently 'ruining' camgirl's ability to make money on Streamate right now....I save all my own righteous rage for Streamate Limited itself and its constantly turning its blind eye to the glaringly obvious fact that the glitches on its site are getting progressively worse and worse.

That shit has had way more major affect on my income more then any $0 gold show that has ever been offered by any camgirl on the site.

Just sayin'

lemonberry
02-01-2014, 06:24 PM
Jac and Dynomite, I would thank both of your posts 1000 times if I could^

Lum
02-01-2014, 06:30 PM
OK so i did my first tv gold show. wasn't for much but i figured i should accept. i did the usual thing i do. but i did not make goal. i accepted anyway. i was under the impression tv gold shows you will always make goal. am i wrong in this? i did not make goal. and was not compensated by the producer as i thought i would be.

SarahTime
02-01-2014, 06:36 PM
OK so i did my first tv gold show. wasn't for much but i figured i should accept. i did the usual thing i do. but i did not make goal. i accepted anyway. i was under the impression tv gold shows you will always make goal. am i wrong in this? i did not make goal. and was not compensated by the producer as i thought i would be.

You might not always reach the goal, but you will always be paid the full goal amount. It can take up to a couple hours for the TV compensation to show in your earnings.

Magical_Hoohah
02-01-2014, 06:38 PM
This is the first I am hearing about explicit $0 GS, and at first the concept was really confusing to me. But after thinking about it, I think it might be designed to allow models to run their room EXACTLY like MFC. Here's an example (my numbers are sort of arbitrary - I'm not sure what ladies on MFC actually charge in their countdowns):

"Goal: 50; Buy In: 0; Minutes: 15; What I'll do: Topless at 50, naked at 100, oil show at 200, toy show at 350, log off if we don't make topless goal."
Let's say you make 60 GOLD from voluntary contributions. You get topless at $50, and then when the show ends, you immediately start another one, but subtract $60 from all your goals, like this: "Goal: 40; Buy in: 0; Minutes: 15; What I'll Do: Naked at 40, oil show at 140, toy show at 290, put top back on if we don't make naked goal."

When this thought dawned on me, I wondered why you couldn't just do the same thing with a $1 buy in - that way no one in the show would be a total freeloader. Then I realized that if you didn't make it to your goal and ended up spending the whole show just hanging out, some guys would throw a fit about spending $1 and getting nothing in return (your time and attention don't count, of course!). With a $0 buy in, it's just like MFC - the freeloaders might get a free show, but they don't risk spending anything on a show that might not happen. Meanwhile, the guys that contribute risk spending their $ and not getting anything, but they donated freely and no one was "forced" to pay to see your (non)show.

So who stands to benefit? I think mostly SM. At present, SM caters to the custies that really like pvt/excl & the custies that really like GS. MFC caters to a huge amount of freeloaders, but also some serious whales. It's common knowledge that the top MFC ladies do VERY well. If SM ladies start doing successful MFC-style countdowns, SM might be able to snag a chunk of MFC's market. Plus, SM would get to keep 65% of the money, unlike those suckers running MFC who only keep 50%, LOL.
Obviously, the freeloaders win, too.
From our perspective, if you're good at the MFC-style hustle, it seems more logical to do it on MFC for a higher %. The only reason I can think to do it on SM is if you already have a very large following on SM, including several whales that would embrace the MFC countdown format. But maybe there's some other advantage for the models that I'm missing?

Overall, it should be interesting to see how it plays out...

temptingmodel
02-01-2014, 07:02 PM
If SM ladies start doing successful MFC-style countdowns.

But maybe there's some other advantage for the models that I'm missing?

Overall, it should be interesting to see how it plays out...
Most the ladies I know cant stand the MFC style of camming, it is two different worlds

and for us to work our asses off like MFC top models 35%? nahhh lol fuck that shit

Marina Starr
02-01-2014, 07:16 PM
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/oprah-19_zps4a00b011.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/oprah-19_zps4a00b011.gif.html)

Most the ladies I know cant stand the MFC style of camming, it is two different worlds

and for us to work our asses off like MFC top models 35%? nahhh lol fuck that shit

temptingmodel
02-01-2014, 07:23 PM
this is me already on sm gs countdowns roflmfao I HATE THEM /rant over / time to cam lol

Snowy0Star
02-01-2014, 07:23 PM
^ 0.o .... what marina you dont agree ? i dont get ur meme -_-

Marina Starr
02-01-2014, 07:26 PM
I agreed with what Tempting said! Oprah is shaking her head at what's expected of us for 35%!

^ 0.o .... what marina you dont agree ? i dont get ur meme -_-

Magical_Hoohah
02-01-2014, 07:29 PM
I totally agree! I personally have no interest in doing MFC-style camming - it seems like a ton of work and not something that would suit my personality at all. I also have no desire to see SM adopt the MFC-type culture.
But the scenario I described is the only reason I could think of that SM would want encourage $0-buy-in, explicit Goldshows. I mean, they might be an advertising ploy, but wouldn't giving free shows just attract the guys that are least likely to spend ANY money? The goldshow beggars are bad, but at least they spend $1-2 here and there. Mainly I was just guessing where SM might be trying to go with this business strategy. Hopefully I'm wrong and/or it never catches on.

Lum
02-01-2014, 07:29 PM
YES! it showed up . ok not worried any more thanks sarahtime

justanothercamgirl
02-01-2014, 07:31 PM
This subject always makes me feel like I am taking crazy pills.

I have no worries at all about $0 Gold Shows because:

1. Any camgirl who charges $0 has to be making at least some money doing it or she isn't going to be a camgirl very long and any camgirl who charges too little for too long is going to end up homeless and starving. There has to be SOME sort of payoff for them or they wouldn't be doing it.

2. Camming is about supply and demand. If SM ends up turning into MFC then it is because some girl figured out a way bank on SM with an MFC-hustle BECAUSE the demand was there for it.....not despite of it.

Do I personally hate MFC-style hustle? Hell yeah......I fucking loathe it. But, custies want what they want and it is the paying custies who have always drove this market.

Let's be honest here, why do girls work the big-box sites instead of going Indy? The answer of course is because the money is faster and easier because there is more traffic.

How can I fault SM for any business decision it ultimately makes when I have myself for good or for bad made the business decision to let them make all the business decisions?

SM will always go towards what makes them money in the laziest and easiest way, most camgirls will go for what makes them money in the most lazy and easiest way and I have decided to work Streamate so I can make money in the most lazy and easiest way.

I have long since taken personal responsibility by admitting to myself that I am allowing what is essentially a deaf, blind and dumb company to control my ability to make money on cam. I always find myself bewildered when the finger-pointing and gnashing of teeth on here against other camgirls happens in cycles about what is the newest thing to blame them for when it comes to 'ruining' camming.

This 'us against them' thing gets us no where. All of us willingly made the choice to work for Streamate and at any point any of us can make the choice to go Indy and leave.

I guess what it all comes down to is that it is easy to complain then to personally change.

temptingmodel
02-01-2014, 07:34 PM
The zero goldshows have always been available..

its just now catching on with a few models. I have no luck w them

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-01-2014, 07:35 PM
Girly I applaud you for realizing that it's not just the models who are behind this move.


I totally agree! I personally have no interest in doing MFC-style camming - it seems like a ton of work and not something that would suit my personality at all. I also have no desire to see SM adopt the MFC-type culture.
But the scenario I described is the only reason I could think of that SM would want encourage $0-buy-in, explicit Goldshows. I mean, they might be an advertising ploy, but wouldn't giving free shows just attract the guys that are least likely to spend ANY money? The goldshow beggars are bad, but at least they spend $1-2 here and there. Mainly I was just guessing where SM might be trying to go with this business strategy. Hopefully I'm wrong and/or it never catches on.

Marina Starr
02-01-2014, 07:36 PM
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/Steven-Hyde-Is-Starting-To-Like-Jackie-More-More-Every-Day-On-That-70s-Show_zps080902f9.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/Steven-Hyde-Is-Starting-To-Like-Jackie-More-More-Every-Day-On-That-70s-Show_zps080902f9.gif.html)

This subject always makes me feel like I am taking crazy pills.

I have no worries at all about $0 Gold Shows because:

1. Any camgirl who charges $0 has to be making at least some money doing it or she isn't going to be a camgirl very long and any camgirl who charges too little for too long is going to end up homeless and starving. There has to be SOME sort of payoff for them or they wouldn't be doing it.

2. Camming is about supply and demand. If SM ends up turning into MFC then it is because some girl figured out a way bank on SM with an MFC-hustle BECAUSE the demand was there for it.....not despite of it.

Do I personally hate MFC-style hustle? Hell yeah......I fucking loathe it. But, custies want what they want and it is the paying custies who have always drove this market.

Let's be honest here, why do girls work the big-box sites instead of going Indy? The answer of course is because the money is faster and easier because there is more traffic.

How can I fault SM for any business decision it ultimately makes when I have myself for good or for bad made the business decision to let them make all the business decisions?

SM will always go towards what makes them money in the laziest and easiest way, most camgirls will go for what makes them money in the most lazy and easiest way and I have decided to work Streamate so I can make money in the most lazy and easiest way.

I have long since taken personal responsibility by admitting to myself that I am allowing what is essentially a deaf, blind and dumb company to control my ability to make money on cam. I always find myself bewildered when the finger-pointing and gnashing of teeth on here against other camgirls happens in cycles about what is the newest thing to blame them for when it comes to 'ruining' camming.

This 'us against them' thing gets us no where. All of us willingly made the choice to work for Streamate and at any point any of us can make the choice to go Indy and leave.

I guess what it all comes down to is that it is easy to complain then to personally change.

SarahTime
02-02-2014, 12:01 AM
The zero goldshows have always been available..

its just now catching on with a few models. I have no luck w them

I know right? You and I chatted about them a bit... :)

I feel like I was the guinea pig for the $0 explicit shows. I noticed the DAY they changed it to add the little box to "check here to do an explicit show with $0 buy in" so I was like fuck it, lets try it. Then I did, and I got a lot of gold way past my goal, AND THEN................ DENIED!!!!!! I got told by support I was "performing in free chat" (because they either hadn't worked out all the damn kinks yet or whoever in support was unaware it had changed). After a few emails back and forth with a couple people I was told, oops sorry. There was a glitch or whoever kicked you off didn't realize this was allowed now. SORRY NO GOLD FOR YOU! That's the RISK you take to do a gold show! Even tho I did everything right and it was Streamate who deliberately cut me off.

So yah, kinda have a bad taste for these $0 shows now. lol :)

Oh that and, tonight I had two guys "do a free show bb" and "I was in 2 free shows tonight can you do a free show for us?" NO FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!

mimiboo69
02-02-2014, 12:19 AM
I still have not gotten my 1099 ANYONE wtf I NEED TO DO MY TAXES

SweetJulia
02-02-2014, 05:35 AM
I still have not gotten my 1099 ANYONE wtf I NEED TO DO MY TAXES
I haven't gotten mine. I think the bad weather might be affecting it, at least that's the reason for me getting mail from Florida after a fucking month. I'd try emailing them. Over and over until you get an answer.

bbwchristyminx
02-02-2014, 05:45 AM
I dont think will Streamate will become MFC, but I do think they need to crack down on the full nudity in free chat. When they allow topless nudity in free chat they should have known they need people to monitor the free chat area. If you give some of these performers an inch, they will take a mile. I honestly don't see the point of any nudity in free chat. Sure a few guys will pay but you have way more lurkers that never pay that sit there and wait for free nudity. I wish there was a semi nude option, that would be cool.


This is my 2 cents......it is only my personal opinion so I have no problem if you take it or leave it.

When is comes to what is currently 'ruining' camgirl's ability to make money on Streamate right now....I save all my own righteous rage for Streamate Limited itself and its constantly turning its blind eye to the glaringly obvious fact that the glitches on its site are getting progressively worse and worse.

That shit has had way more major affect on my income more then any $0 gold show that has ever been offered by any camgirl on the site.

Just sayin'


And the church said AMEN!!!!!!

bbwchristyminx
02-02-2014, 05:49 AM
Is there something new with advertising cause I've been getting a shit ton load of escort offers... Man... Back in the day... I'm saying but I'm not saying.. It's really starting to get annoying though!!

~Carmen~
02-02-2014, 06:53 AM
One good thing I noticed since the $0 shows - I don't have nearly as many freeloaders. They congregate to the free shows :D

Marina Starr
02-02-2014, 07:07 AM
Now that's a blessing!

One good thing I noticed since the $0 shows - I don't have nearly as many freeloaders. They congregate to the free shows :D

SweetJulia
02-02-2014, 09:34 AM
Is there something new with advertising cause I've been getting a shit ton load of escort offers... Man... Back in the day... I'm saying but I'm not saying.. It's really starting to get annoying though!!
This is just a theory, but if you don't geoblock your state and either mention where you're from or have it in your profile, this might be why. When I had the bright idea of unblocking Ohio when I first started cuz I had strip club customers visit, I had local creeps ask for that a lot. Yeah, that whole unblocking my state thing lasted a good six hours.

bbwchristyminx
02-02-2014, 09:40 AM
This is just a theory, but if you don't geoblock your state and either mention where you're from or have it in your profile, this might be why. When I had the bright idea of unblocking Ohio when I first started cuz I had strip club customers visit, I had local creeps ask for that a lot. Yeah, that whole unblocking my state thing lasted a good six hours.

Speaking of geoblock, I did that when I first started camming but than I said the hell with it because guys from my city still kept finding me. I could care less who finds out cause anyone with an opinion isn't feeding or financing me. Anyway, I'm wondering if the site is advertising in places with escort ads.. Ahhh idk . LoL :)