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Holly_xoxo
02-02-2014, 09:43 AM
I remember seeing my profile pic from SM on a tube site under the "Dating" category and it stated that you could meet me. It wouldn't surprise me if they have that type of thing on escort sites too.

bbwchristyminx
02-02-2014, 09:48 AM
I remember seeing my profile pic from SM on a tube site under the "Dating" category and it stated that you could meet me. It wouldn't surprise me if they have that type of thing on escort sites too.

Yeah I'm seriously thinking that's what is going on here. Now, if sm provided a limo and armed security I just may .. Kidding :)

RaeRae
02-02-2014, 12:18 PM
Bah, I've multiple guys who I've had in pvt before say it won't let them take me pvt today.

anonymous camgirl
02-02-2014, 01:20 PM
I just got mine yesterday!


I still have not gotten my 1099 ANYONE wtf I NEED TO DO MY TAXES

Mare
02-02-2014, 04:01 PM
Girly I applaud you for realizing that it's not just the models who are behind this move. Exactly. Obviously the top models get special favors like selling panties. I have a feeling sm is pressuring them in some way to try this 0$ gs buy in so they can try to turn some profit on the mfc crowd. They figure most of us are sheep and if we see xyz hot top model doing it then it must be good and we'll do it to.

minniesoporno
02-02-2014, 06:51 PM
this should be a sticky since I am a mod of this section I can not make it myself.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-02-2014, 07:06 PM
Exactly. Obviously the top models get special favors like selling panties. I have a feeling sm is pressuring them in some way to try this 0$ gs buy in so they can try to turn some profit on the mfc crowd. They figure most of us are sheep and if we see xyz hot top model doing it then it must be good and we'll do it to.

Yea i think so too. But honestly im not upset by it. Im just gonna do my thing. And so far it's working out for me. I do however think it's important to recognize the game and then figure out what your game plan is. You know? Figure out the system and then work it till that mofo don't work no mo!

justanothercamgirl
02-02-2014, 09:23 PM
Exactly. Obviously the top models get special favors like selling panties. I have a feeling sm is pressuring them in some way to try this 0$ gs buy in so they can try to turn some profit on the mfc crowd. They figure most of us are sheep and if we see xyz hot top model doing it then it must be good and we'll do it to.

$0 gold shows have been around for a long time now even though most girls on Stripperweb seem to be unfamiliar with them.

I can remember when SarahTime first reported she found them and decided to try them out. She said afterward that she made a nice chunk of money off of the experiment. (And then Streamate decided to be a douchebag to her and try to keep the money but that is an entirely other story for an entirely other time.)

I am willing to bet my G cup titties that there is no conspiracy on the part of SM to push $0 on top girls in order to make the site more like MFC.

Doesn't it make sense that just like when REGULAR gold shows were brand-spanking new and guys were attracted to the newness and novelty of it all that this is what is causing the top girls to do them to attract guys to their room by offering something new and exciting that other girls aren't offering and that it is possible that those guys are paying good money for the show like they did when SarahTime first tried them out instead of there being some great Illuminati-like conspiracy on Streamate's part in order to force the rest of the camgirls on the site to do $0 as well?

Think about it. If they REALLY wanted to force any girls to do any type of gold show wouldn't they have long ago forced us all into doing TV gold shows since they do have a TV channel right now that they need to fill to make profitable?

I am not saying that top girls don't get special favours or that Streamate is in any way a fair or good company.

What I am saying is that a company that is too stupid to fix its own damn code-base and is losing customers by the droves daily is way to fucking stupid to be capable of doing anything that supervillain smart.

Blovely
02-02-2014, 09:49 PM
If SM try's to push 0 buyin shows or try's to push the site in a MFC direction I think they'll ruin the site. If us Models and the customers wanted MFC style shows then we'd all be on MFC or Chaturbate. Something I recently realized is that they've been having glitches ever since they introduced gold shows. I don't ever remember hearing anyone complain about site problems before Gold Shows and now its seems like there's always something wrong. Don't get me wrong I like Gold Shows but they needs to stop trying to "improve" things.







I'm pretty sure that was another model more than likely, but anyways Im not lowering my prices. This person is clearly fucked up but sooo many look at our prices as a reflection of our worth. Or are basing our worth upon their own prejudices. Anyways it's good to know I'm one of the expensive bitches.....at $4.99 Puh-Lease


36261
Yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I pretty much got the same message a few weeks or a month ago. I was like "colored girl???? What is this the 1800's?". I kicked his ass out of my room. I saw exactly what he was trying to do.

But in general when people complain about my prices I'm like "Other men don't have a problem paying my rates. You are lucky because it was $6.99/$5.99 so you are getting $1 off. I guess you'll have to save up your money." To me $4.99-$6.99 isn't even expensive since our rates can go up to $14.99. Like The Fuck dude get a second job if you can't afford above $1.99. They complain like we are actually going to log off, lower our rate, and then sign back on LMFAO. I tell them "if you can't take me pvt then you can always tip me gold for request"...... Aka bitch you paying me either way. One way or another I'ma take your money.






This is how I feel about many of the big sites and platforms that I work from time to time. Filled with internal issues and glitches but they know that we'll lose focus. They expect us to pay attention to things like what everyone else is doing and how poorly the site is run and lose site of what's really going on. It's like a game of 3 Card Monte. At least that's what I equate it to? You try and keep your eye on the prize but then your customer can't enter private from a tablet. Or a call can't connect. Customers being tricked into signing up with dating sites....Ugh I could go on.
Why did this just sound like what the government does???? You just described the whole governmental system.

justanothercamgirl
02-03-2014, 01:25 AM
Streamate completely crashes and burns and goes down for hours and hours off and on over a 48 hour period directly before the end of a pay period but no one seems to be worried at all about what is the statistical probability of Streamate doing the same thing again could be and what the long-term repercussions of customers having issues with not being able to go private or being kicked out of their privates over a two week period are?

Instead we are all seriously worried about other camgirls doing $0 gold shows and how this may effect the site by turning it into an MFC-style site at some far off date in the future?

36281

If Streamate's glitches keep escalating at the pace they have been over the last three month then you won't have to worry about the $0 gold shows anymore and whether or not camgirls doing them will turn Streamate into an MFC-style type site as there will be no real traffic left for any girl with any type of hustle to be able to make money there.

bbwchristyminx
02-03-2014, 03:09 AM
Streamate completely crashes and burns and goes down for hours and hours off and on over a 48 hour period directly before the end of a pay period but no one seems to be worried at all about what is the statistical probability of Streamate doing the same thing again could be and what the long-term repercussions of customers having issues with not being able to go private or being kicked out of their privates over a two week period are?

Instead we are all seriously worried about other camgirls doing $0 gold shows and how this may effect the site by turning it into an MFC-style site at some far off date in the future?

36281

If Streamate's glitches keep escalating at the pace they have been over the last three month then you won't have to worry about the $0 gold shows anymore and whether or not camgirls doing them will turn Streamate into an MFC-style type site as their will be no real traffic left for any girl with any type of hustle to be able to make money there.

Soon I started reading your post the streamate commercial comes on.. LoL. Anyway, I agree 100%. Instead of being worried about the next model I think we should spend more time perfecting our own craft/hustle :) :)

Mare
02-03-2014, 06:16 AM
What I am saying is that a company that is too stupid to fix its own damn code-base and is losing customers by the droves daily is way to fucking stupid to be capable of doing anything that supervillain smart.[/QUOTE]
You know. You have a point here. LOL That's why we come here and bounce stuff off each other. I'm going to just keep doing what works for me.

BigSexyCharlotte
02-03-2014, 06:56 AM
Hey everyone!
Wondering if anyone could shed some light on my problem. Just been to log into streamate and it wouldn't let me so I pressed forgot password entered my email and it says the email doesn't belong to a streamate account hmm... so went to sign up again and it's saying I already have an account! So annoying x

BigSexyCharlotte
02-03-2014, 06:57 AM
Hey everyone!
Wondering if anyone could shed some light on my problem. Just been to log into streamate and it wouldn't let me so I pressed forgot password entered my email and it says the email doesn't belong to a streamate account hmm... so went to sign up again and it's saying I already have an account! So annoying x

Cam_Model_Jess
02-03-2014, 07:07 AM
Do you work for a studio?

BigSexyCharlotte
02-03-2014, 07:11 AM
Nope :( x

Cam_Model_Jess
02-03-2014, 07:12 AM
Sometimes the site won't let you log in and you just have to try a few times... that is, if you're certain you haven't forgotten your password. Search for your cam page to make sure they haven't deleted you.

BigSexyCharlotte
02-03-2014, 07:23 AM
Phew panic over! It's finally let me on! Think SM are having a few glitches x

Glamourmilf
02-03-2014, 07:36 AM
Regarding the 0 buy-in gs, I checked one out yesterday after my shift.
This top model can do whatever she wants, but when she told her chat room that she doesn't know how other models can make money if they are sitting down, kinda pissed me off!
She told everyone that a pretty face isn't going to get guys to buy shows. Sooo not cool. Sooo not true.
In her tweets she's always saying how everyone is jealous of her, and should just do their own thing.
Well, we do, but not if You are going to tell everybody that our rooms are not worth clicking into if we are seated! WTF?
I remember the days when she was seated trying to get shows. but she was always so pissy to her chat room, that nobody took her private.
Let her have a bad back, and then we'll see how she changes her way of thinking. She already changed from not offering privates, to doing them, with a reduced rate.

TheBrownFox
02-03-2014, 08:29 AM
This top model can do whatever she wants, but when she told her chat room that she doesn't know how other models can make money if they are sitting down, kinda pissed me off!
Back when my MFC cam score was much lower, I used to do that 'standing up on cam for a long time, shaking my ass' thing to try to entice people to tip, and you know what? It didn't do a damn thing but wear me out and attract lurkers...lol.

Some of these SM models kill me with the little remarks they make about other models. Like that top model who said to her room "Don't worry...I'm not one of those girls who gets Gold and doesn't give you anything for it..." *rolls eyes* Um...just because you spoil members with 12 HD vids for $3 Gold doesn't mean all the other models have to do it too...

temptingmodel
02-03-2014, 08:31 AM
I find it easier to stay in my own box :D

Marina Starr
02-03-2014, 08:58 AM
You better say it again, Fox!
I never stand! I just sit and type but it works for me!

I can't fucking stand it when I see models knocking other models hustle! Successful people never worry about what others are doing!


Back when my MFC cam score was much lower, I used to do that 'standing up on cam for a long time, shaking my ass' thing to try to entice people to tip, and you know what? It didn't do a damn thing but wear me out and attract lurkers...lol.

Some of these SM models kill me with the little remarks they make about other models. Like that top model who said to her room "Don't worry...I'm not one of those girls who gets Gold and doesn't give you anything for it..." *rolls eyes* Um...just because you spoil members with 12 HD vids for $3 Gold doesn't mean all the other models have to do it too...

caramelDip
02-03-2014, 09:47 AM
I can't remember a time when someone took me private while I was standing OR teasing.

Its always when I'm sitting there, not doing anything. Crazy.

justanothercamgirl
02-03-2014, 10:05 AM
Regarding the 0 buy-in gs, I checked one out yesterday after my shift.
This top model can do whatever she wants, but when she told her chat room that she doesn't know how other models can make money if they are sitting down, kinda pissed me off!
She told everyone that a pretty face isn't going to get guys to buy shows. Sooo not cool. Sooo not true.
In her tweets she's always saying how everyone is jealous of her, and should just do their own thing.
Well, we do, but not if You are going to tell everybody that our rooms are not worth clicking into if we are seated! WTF?
I remember the days when she was seated trying to get shows. but she was always so pissy to her chat room, that nobody took her private.
Let her have a bad back, and then we'll see how she changes her way of thinking. She already changed from not offering privates, to doing them, with a reduced rate.

I wouldn't take it personal. It is just her hustle.

If it is any consolation to you, girls who use the hustle of putting other girls down in order to build themselves up to make money always end up being their own worst enemy in the end.

One of the most important things as a camgirl is 'insider' information. Camgirls are smart girls and they will have a tendency to figure out patterns in the future or have enough experience to understand how history will repeat itself.

The information that you see here on Stripperweb, be it the public or verified side is only a small part of that camgirl knowledge-base.

A lot of the more 'sensitive' information is actually exchanged through word-of-mouth. Deciding to make your hustle putting down other camgirls is a dangerous hustle indeed. You will end up cutting yourself off from that very important information flow and that could seriously end up effecting your business.

Not to mention, there are a lot of characters out there that are more morally-flexible then I am. Its best not to antagonize the computer savvy in what is essentially a commission-based industry as you could find that someone has taken the time to report your Twitter, Tumblr, Skype, ect........

There are lots of simple and easy ways for one camgirl to be able to fuck with another camgirl's earnings. It is best not to give them all a reason to do it.

justanothercamgirl
02-03-2014, 10:09 AM
I find it easier to stay in my own box :D

In my personal opinion, that is one of the reasons you've ended up being such an amazing camgirl with a hustle so tight that you could bounce a quarter off of it.

I am sure you are already aware that even though you and I have a tendency to butt heads every once in a while --- you will always be one my camgirl heroines.

(*JAC starts crooning......"Did you ever know that your my heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeroooooooooooooo.") :)

Holly_xoxo
02-03-2014, 10:31 AM
I think the free shows will backfire badly. After awhile the guys that put money in before, won't want to pay again to see the same show (if they can do it for free) and all you'll attract are the freeloaders. My guess is if they try to go back to charging people a fixed rate, people won't pay it.


I'll just keep doing my thing and hope this trend doesn't affect my business...Lol...fingers crossed.

kittykrane
02-03-2014, 11:01 AM
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Rosemary Rabbit
02-03-2014, 11:10 AM
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justanothercamgirl
02-03-2014, 11:28 AM
For people who don't understand how giving something away for free can ever be a good business decision....I humbly suggest that you read "Free: The Future of a Radical Price" by Chris Anderson.

kittykrane
02-03-2014, 11:35 AM
I remember when 0 was an invalid number..Now I see on the gold show box that it's ok to have 0 for a minimum..smh..


I think the free shows will backfire badly. After awhile the guys that put money in before, won't want to pay again to see the same show (if they can do it for free) and all you'll attract are the freeloaders. My guess is if they try to go back to charging people a fixed rate, people won't pay it.


I'll just keep doing my thing and hope this trend doesn't affect my business...Lol...fingers crossed.

Blovely
02-03-2014, 11:49 AM
Not to rain on anyone's parade but its seems like the "no outting rule" is kinda in play or being straddled, no???

kortneykay
02-03-2014, 11:53 AM
I don't see how pricing trends couldn't affect most models, honestly.

I mean, if you are in a niche, that makes sense because fewer people are offering that service. But if you are a cute girl that just wants to masturbate on cam...and the standard is low low prices for cute girls giving vanilla shows....of course it will affect you.

The reason I don't buy this is because most of the girls in all of my niches (bbw, big tits, ebony, hairy, etc) except for a select few are offering low prices anyway. I don't even know how many black bbw besides me and a few others offer rates at $6.99+ however, there are several who offer the same for $1.99 and below. The reason they don't affect me is because I don't let other models, or customers decide my rates. If a customer wants me, but can't afford me, he's not gonna buy. Period. If a customer wants me, and is willing to sacrifice some coins, he's gonna pay no matter what other girls in my exact same niches are charging because we are not all the same.

There's certainly an exclusivity, (branding) when you offer something more expensive than most. During the Great Depression car salesmen sold a LOT of expensive cars. Branding/exclusivity works. I consider myself to be a cute girl doing mostly vanilla shows, I'm just not cheap. I rarely do toy inserts, I don't do anal at all, and I do fetishes but I get way more vanilla requests than fetish shows. There are several women in my niche(s) but I am only separated from them by exclusivity. I also don't do goldshows so there is another form of exclusivity that works for me. Other cammodels in my niche or anywhere else has not and does not effect me because they are not me.

lemonberry
02-03-2014, 11:54 AM
Is sm disconnecting on anyone else right now?

anonymous camgirl
02-03-2014, 12:04 PM
I agree!.. I am like what the hell is the point?? i do stuff when people tip me.. right?? and then a wave of free loaders come in and as soon as i sit back down... they leave.. they don't spend any money.. so what the fuck is the point?? other than to burn calories!


I can't remember a time when someone took me private while I was standing OR teasing.

Its always when I'm sitting there, not doing anything. Crazy.

Marina Starr
02-03-2014, 12:15 PM
I am also NOT a fan of the negative hustle and I do not think it's something that should be celebrated either. Hustle aside, I feel when you don't have to knock other models hustle it's not only make you look secure and confident but a better person!


I can not agree with this enough. I'm not a fan of the negative hustle, but since I started unabashedly watching cams I've noticed lots of funny, terrible things being said all over the site. It's a way for people to set themselves apart from their peers, to appear 'special' and 'unique' because they do something no one/hardly anyone will do, and they reaaaalllly want to emphasize that. Also...she might be thinking of someone specifically when she says that, knowing full well that this person watches her room often.

The woman in question here is on the top row constantly, live constantly, doing things no one else will do constantly, so she's going to be on constant watch. People are waiting for her to fail so they feel justified. It's a comically terrible cycle I think we've all been in once or twice!

kortneykay
02-03-2014, 12:18 PM
I agree. I only stand when I'm being paid to. We have to remember that this is a 'what you see, is what you get' industry. Those of us who sit experience guys asking this question everyday "Can you stand up?" Yes I can bb, for a tip, or you can go PVT/EXL. If so many guys are asking, doesn't that tell you that they are curious about how the whole package looks? What this does for me is bring that member out of curiosity and onto the huge, shiny GOLD button, or a paid show. If they leave, they weren't going to pay you anyway darlings.

These men are already jerking off when they come into your room. I don't need to give them any more FREE jack off material by bouncing around, rubbing my ass, tits, and pussy in a free chat room. Our bodies are each unique and beautifully made. Make them pay to see it! This is a tailored service industry. You want it, buy it. For those of you who do stand, good for you, we all have our own hustle but I'd prefer to be paid for mine.

Marina Starr
02-03-2014, 12:29 PM
I got my 1099 from SM today, YAY!

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-03-2014, 12:33 PM
....meanwhile Every guy that goes private disappears. Like POOF. Where did he go? They come back and have to start all over again. I was rockin and rollin too. But damn. Firefox freezes. Normally that's my best browser.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-03-2014, 12:40 PM
Not to rain on anyone's parade but its seems like the "no outting rule" is kinda in play or being straddled, no???

No worries I have zero idea who anyone is talking about. I cam from inside of a bubble. From time to time I peak at my girl crushes but then I get back to work.

SarahTime
02-03-2014, 01:14 PM
I make good money on cam and I rarely complain about it being slow. So I'm definitely not a "hater." I feel sorry for the girls who feel like they have to give it all away for free. "Free shows" isn't a hustle, it's just a bad business method.

Yeah I'm drunk-ish right now so I'm just being honest. I train my guys to not be cheap.

You're right, it's not a hustle.

I've been trying to keep quiet for the most part regarding what other models do but I want to point something out...

It looks to me like a downward spiral type of thing. First, gold shows. Then you can't get higher buy ins so you do lower buy ins. Then you can't get those, so you lower them more. Then you can't get those so you add free videos. Then you can't get shows with low buy in and free videos, so you add in EVEN MORE free videos and super low buy ins. Then you can't get THAT so you thrown in super low buy ins, ALL your videos, panties to the highest tipper, and the kitchen sink. THEN, none of THAT works anymore.... so you do FREE SHOWS. $0 buy in! Guess what? It works great for a bit, then it's not working as great, so you throw in FREE SHOW plus VIDEOS! Soon it will be a FREE show and then ALL the videos - for FREE! Yah, that will make them pledge!

My point is, this type of "hustle" works pretty well for some quick short term cash. But come on, we all know that this is not a long term success. What it does is train these guys that 1) they should get a lot of stuff for as little as possible or free and 2) you're always going to go lower. I'm serious, pretty soon just watch these models doing $0 buy in shows will NOT be able to get their goals that make the show "worth it". Then, when they try to go back to doing normal gold shows, it just won't work. I mean, it could but it will take a LONG time of retraining these guys and it's going to be hard.

Like I said it can be great for some short term cash making but it's not going to sustain anyone. I prefer the proven slow and stead wins the race. ;)

Holly_xoxo
02-03-2014, 01:25 PM
It seems in those situations like the tables have turned and the guys are training the performer. "If we stay cheap and not buy in to shows and act hard to get...they'll just give us more and more"

And it confuses me a bit that guys will put in decent amounts of money for a 0$ show. The minute you put even a dollar in, it's no longer free. It's only a free show to the freeloaders, that pay nothing.

Maybe those are the guys that just don't want to look cheap?

SarahTime
02-03-2014, 01:31 PM
For people who don't understand how giving something away for free can ever be a good business decision....I humbly suggest that you read "Free: The Future of a Radical Price" by Chris Anderson.

There is definitely something to be said about the power of "FREE", but in terms of every single show you perform being free, I just don't think that's going to lead to long term success. I always get a lot more pledges when I offer free pictures or videos to tippers, but I don't make it my norm it's like a special thing. Sort of like a sale. I really don't see how we in this industry could be prosperous using free as the standard.

I really think the only way this free concept will work in terms of cam shows is that the big ones on top will profit a lot, and everyone else will suffer. It won't work as a whole for the camming industry. Unless we are talking about it "working" for the cam site owners, it will always work for them. They don't care how or which performer the money comes from. Kind of like MFC... if you look through cam scores there is a HUGE gap between "the big ones" and all the rest. Cam scores go from 20,000-30,000 down to say 5,000-10,000 pretty quick and even the number of models in that range is quite low considering the number of performers. Then the rest barely hang on in the lower score numbers.

I guess my point is, the success in this is short lived. And I know some people like to sit around and be like hey nothing that any other model does effects me, and that's fine if you (generally speaking) believe that to be true for yourself. However, the reality is that things like this WILL effect an entire cam site. And not for the better.

Snowy0Star
02-03-2014, 01:33 PM
It seems in those situations like the tables have turned and the guys are training the performer. "If we stay cheap and not buy in to shows and act hard to get...they'll just give us more and more"

And it confuses me a bit that guys will put in decent amounts of money for a 0$ show. The minute you put even a dollar in, it's no longer free. It's only a free show to the freeloaders, that pay nothing.

Maybe those are the guys that just don't want to look cheap?

i agree i think thats why models like ginger do so well. she has her regs trained she gets what she wants and just restarts it over and over and over until she either gives up or they tip up . but if she does give up shes letting them know that if they dont want a show and tip her what she wants then theres not gonna be a show not "ok lower it and gives free vids too"... its not the only reason she does so well shes an amazing person and has magnetic personality too - shes fun to watch.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-03-2014, 01:35 PM
It seems in those situations like the tables have turned and the guys are training the performer. "If we stay cheap and not buy in to shows and act hard to get...they'll just give us more and more"

And it confuses me a bit that guys will put in decent amounts of money for a 0$ show. The minute you put even a dollar in, it's no longer free. It's only a free show to the freeloaders, that pay nothing.

Maybe those are the guys that just don't want to look cheap?

Other than this board I have two people close to me that I'm able to discuss the adult business with. And we go round and round about the future of this business and the many different pockets. Longevity and the room for growth. Sometimes we agree and mostly we disagree. Recently we watched this show "True Detective" and I swear I had an epiphany due to this one quote. I think we both did. Maybe I'm lame for not seeing it before but honestly it makes all the sense in the world and explains some of the entitlement that many of us experience.

"Girls walk this Earth all the time screwing for free. Why is it you add business to the mix and boys like you can't stand the thought?" the madam asks. "I'll tell you: It's because suddenly you don't own it the way you thought you did."

So I think they see the words FREE and hear it said over and over again, and now they feel as if they are back in control.

LittleLexy
02-03-2014, 02:17 PM
You're right, it's not a hustle.

I've been trying to keep quiet for the most part regarding what other models do but I want to point something out...

It looks to me like a downward spiral type of thing. First, gold shows. Then you can't get higher buy ins so you do lower buy ins. Then you can't get those, so you lower them more. Then you can't get those so you add free videos. Then you can't get shows with low buy in and free videos, so you add in EVEN MORE free videos and super low buy ins. Then you can't get THAT so you thrown in super low buy ins, ALL your videos, panties to the highest tipper, and the kitchen sink. THEN, none of THAT works anymore.... so you do FREE SHOWS. $0 buy in! Guess what? It works great for a bit, then it's not working as great, so you throw in FREE SHOW plus VIDEOS! Soon it will be a FREE show and then ALL the videos - for FREE! Yah, that will make them pledge!

My point is, this type of "hustle" works pretty well for some quick short term cash. But come on, we all know that this is not a long term success. What it does is train these guys that 1) they should get a lot of stuff for as little as possible or free and 2) you're always going to go lower. I'm serious, pretty soon just watch these models doing $0 buy in shows will NOT be able to get their goals that make the show "worth it". Then, when they try to go back to doing normal gold shows, it just won't work. I mean, it could but it will take a LONG time of retraining these guys and it's going to be hard.

Like I said it can be great for some short term cash making but it's not going to sustain anyone. I prefer the proven slow and stead wins the race. ;)


I couldn't agree more. Everything you posted is spot on. Personally, I can't stomach free loaders watching my show. That is why I choose not to do MFC...no thanks. I get angry at freeloaders popping into my room and asking for tits or ass..I would want to stab men in the eye with a knife that watched my hardcore sex show for free. I just can't get past that.

hf487
02-03-2014, 02:23 PM
anyone having issues with connection today?! Or freezing/ and lagging? Thanks everyone

lemonberry
02-03-2014, 02:29 PM
^When I first logged on a couple hours ago it kept disconnecting me after only being on for a couple of mins or so. This happened for about 10 mins then stopped. Did the same thing this morning too.

augusta_viva
02-03-2014, 02:44 PM
It was this morning, It was a pain!

augusta_viva
02-03-2014, 02:45 PM
this happened to me about a year ago and I switched to chrome, best decision ever.

kittykrane
02-03-2014, 02:51 PM
I can't stand the guys who mooch off the others. If they are too cheap to pitch in 1 gold for any length of show, in my mind they are a freeloader, plain and simple. I don't care if some guy gives himself a 25 gold budget a week for nothing but goldshows..he could still see a show or two a day and probably spend less on that than on other vices like smokes or booze...No, those guys who won't drop a penny aren't worth having in my show..and you know they are usually the loudest "DO THIS BB!" types. My high tippers are usually very respectful.

I wish it were easier to keep track of who is pitching in and who isn't. Other than writing it down...LOL..I did that once though and I actually got pretty close to my goal. the rest I manually kicked out but invited them back when they were ready to pitch in. I was in a mood that day.


I couldn't agree more. Everything you posted is spot on. Personally, I can't stomach free loaders watching my show. That is why I choose not to do MFC...no thanks. I get angry at freeloaders popping into my room and asking for tits or ass..I would want to stab men in the eye with a knife that watched my hardcore sex show for free. I just can't get past that.