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hf487
02-03-2014, 03:14 PM
Thanks everyone, Ya for me the customer's side is lagging.... like im asking something and there responding minutes later. Just had a regular who was out of town in europe so he thought it was hit connection but i don't think it is.....
i always feel better when i know it's something out of my control.... hope it gets better, good luck everyone

laurielegs
02-03-2014, 04:36 PM
I couldn't agree more. Everything you posted is spot on. Personally, I can't stomach free loaders watching my show. That is why I choose not to do MFC...no thanks. I get angry at freeloaders popping into my room and asking for tits or ass..I would want to stab men in the eye with a knife that watched my hardcore sex show for free. I just can't get past that.

This is also how I feel, but I can't ignore the fact that "free" shows do work on MFC for those on the top rows of the site. The earning potential there seems so much more from what I see.

They aren't really free though - those goals the top hosts reach are huge!

I fail miserably at getting enough tips to even reach a small goal there, but watching MFC ladies raking it in makes me wonder if somehow I can find a way to do it too.

There is a very key difference in MFC and SM 0 buy-in shows though. Underage viewers are very very likely to be watching you do hardcore shows on MFC in public while at Streamate all the underage viewers are going to be locked out unless they stole mommy's credit card. I do like that fact. It's an extra layer of protection that MFC and Chaturbate do not have.

I really feel it's only a matter of time until one or more hosts on MFC or other free tipping sites get in trouble for the hardcore shows which are technically against MFC's rules. I doubt they will stand behind you after you broke their rules.

I have to admit if it would help me reach a very high goal and would do it consistently I'd be all over the zero buy ins and honestly I would not care if it padded my paycheck consistently, but that is the problem - I'm not sure it would. Sara has some really good points. I'm not a top host and don't have the traffic to support free shows probably.

TheBrownFox
02-03-2014, 06:02 PM
SarahTime is right. I've seen the 'Gold show countdown was unsuccessful, so I'll lower the price and throw in more videos' thing in several rooms. Cheap guys with a lot of time on their hands can just sit around and wait for the model to lower it to $1 and throw in even more videos. And then the cheap guys who are sweating bullets trying to decide if you're worth their $1 are asking 101 questions about the videos..."How long are the vids? Who is the guy? Do you squirt in the vids? Who's the other model in the g/g vid? She's not as hot as you, bb. Let's go private." WTF?

justanothercamgirl
02-03-2014, 07:37 PM
However, the reality is that things like this WILL effect an entire cam site. And not for the better.

My personal hope has always been that eventually Gold Shows will end out dying completely because they will end up hitting rock bottom and being priced so low that no sane camgirl will do them anymore and we can all get back to the pay-per-minute site model.

And then all the cutsies will get together over their drinks and talk about the 'good ol days' when they were able to band together for gold shows and how ultimately their personal greed ended up fucking them over.

Hey, a girl can dream......can't she?

space_cowgirl
02-03-2014, 07:42 PM
^ best. Post. Ever.

Marina Starr
02-03-2014, 07:46 PM
That would be Utopia.

My personal hope has always been that eventually Gold Shows will end out dying completely because they will end up hitting rock bottom and being priced so low that no sane camgirl will do them anymore and we can all get back to the pay-per-minute site model.

And then all the cutsies will get together over their drinks and talk about the 'good ol days' when they were able to band together for gold shows and how ultimately their personal greed ended up fucking them over.

Hey, a girl can dream......can't she?

temptingmodel
02-03-2014, 08:08 PM
TY :D *blushes* (: its the Aquarius in us, I keep that in the back of my mind when we butt heads.
In my personal opinion, that is one of the reasons you've ended up being such an amazing camgirl with a hustle so tight that you could bounce a quarter off of it.

I am sure you are already aware that even though you and I have a tendency to butt heads every once in a while --- you will always be one my camgirl heroines.

(*JAC starts crooning......"Did you ever know that your my heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeroooooooooooooo.") :)

Charlotteslut
02-03-2014, 08:10 PM
I actually like the format of Gold Shows and the control they offer me. I like having a set amount of time to cum in/do whatever in, which is why I also really love block sessions.

But I can't reach high goals, so I have decided that GS are not worth it for me. And sitting there restarting countdowns is time that could be spent in EXCL.

If you can consistently reach high goals, it makes sense to offer them. If you have to sit there and restart for 20 mins, or if you are performing shows for a fraction of your intended goal, you are losing money.

justanothercamgirl
02-03-2014, 11:15 PM
I am not saying this to point fingers at anyone or insult the way that any girl likes to hustle -- but I find it truly amusing that some girls have no problem giving away free videos but to them the concept of $0 shows a bad business decision.

Other girls find the concept of $1 voyeur shows a bad business decision.

And some girls find the concept of gold shows completely to be a bad business decision.

The fact is that girls do each of these hustles because there is a payoff for them. For me personally, I fucking loathe the hustle of giving away videos. It has made doing gold shows for me a living hell. I stopped running any type of gold show other than voyeur entirely because I didn't want to have to offer guys a list of things that they would receive for pledging into my show. "How much would you expect to pay for this Gold Show? $5? $10? But wait, there is more!!!!!" My honest opinion is that giving away videos is a 'short-term' way to make money and it has helped to 'ruin' my ability to run a gold show without offering them. I mean, how can I compete? The only way I could would be to start offering free videos myself and that was a personal line that I was unwilling to cross.

http://media.giphy.com/media/9XW3KfhNEC1JC/giphy.gif

But, I don't fault any girl for giving away videos and I don't fault any girl giving away $0 gold shows. They are just making money and trying to pay their bills the best way they can. It is called 'hustling' for a reason. I highly doubt that any girl who decided to start giving away videos was thinking how it would affect my personal income at all. They were only thinking of their own personal bottom line and not the long-term affects of what offering pictures/videos with their gold show would do to camgirls who were not offering pictures/videos with their own gold shows.

http://media.giphy.com/media/vpSLc9wNXvqak/giphy.gif

Disclaimer: Just in case you are all wondering......I have never done a $0 gold show and it will be a cold day in hell before I ever will. I just have this truly bad habit of always pointing out when the emperor isn't wearing any clothes. My life would be a lot easier if I couldn't only learn to keep my fool mouth shut when I see it happen. If I accidentally ended up offending anyone, I do hope you understand that this was never my intention.

SweetJulia
02-04-2014, 02:14 AM
Back when my MFC cam score was much lower, I used to do that 'standing up on cam for a long time, shaking my ass' thing to try to entice people to tip, and you know what? It didn't do a damn thing but wear me out and attract lurkers...lol.
I did that when I first started for the sake of burning calories. It had zero effect on my income and I honestly advise against it. Sit on your ass and watch the money roll in from privates lol.

kittykrane
02-04-2014, 05:51 AM
nevermind...i'm babbling. lol

SpaceyLaceyButterfacey
02-04-2014, 09:28 AM
I never do goldshows, but its is a scary thought to think that SM would go in a MFC direction. I really hope they don't and honestly don't think they will. However, all this talk of the $0 GS has definitely lit a fire under my ass to build base on other sites.

Rosemary Rabbit
02-04-2014, 11:27 AM
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SarahTime
02-04-2014, 11:50 AM
JAC - if it's amusing you might be missing the bigger point of what someone like me is saying..? I don't think it's a bad decision to offer free videos, do a free show, etc. on occasion. The big point here being "on occasion". When it starts being the norm, that's when it becomes a bad idea as a whole. Because free vids are the norm for a lot of models now, it's made it harder for you AND me to do normal shows without extras. If it was offered on occasion I don't think it would have ended up this way.

Now I would never sit around and kid myself into thinking any other model gives two shits about my income or how what they do could impact others. Just read twitter...Some are proud to tout they give no shits about anyone. No one cares about anything but their own bottom line, myself included at the end of the day I care about myself and my income (although I'm not so harsh as to exploit this fact like I'm so proud to not care how I might impact an entire site by being one of the models in the top rows).

The only reason I posted what I did was to point out my observations. I do briefly watch models in the top rows before I work or when I take a day off, because I'm interested in the trends that some these models are creating. I've seen them spiral all over the place with their shows, read them vent on twitter that it's slow, and then turn to things like this. My point was it looks like a downward spiral that will be hard to come out of.

Of course if you speculate about this you get labeled in one way or another as a "hater" or "shit talker" or "jealous" or whatever else. I don't think anyone here is "hating" we are all just speculating and sharing opinions. That's really all it is. Maybe I'm wrong and $0 shows will be the new awesome thing that sustains a long term high income. I've been wrong before. ;)

BritishBecky
02-04-2014, 12:02 PM
I've been thinking about this a lot. I don't think $0 shows could ever work for me, partly because I'm not popular enough, and mostly because the rude beggar asshole guys would make me in such a terrible mood that no one would want to watch anyway! But, for as long as it works for the people who do it, I cannot criticise them for it. If I thought it would work, I'd probably do it myself. Hey, I may even try it at some point as an experiment. Having said that, I did ONE public countdown show on MFC once and hated it!

BritishBecky
02-04-2014, 12:03 PM
Oh, and it looks like more and more models are following suit and doing these on SM now

SarahTime
02-04-2014, 12:11 PM
Oh, and it looks like more and more models are following suit and doing these on SM now

I've seen at least 4 doing them so I'm not talking about any one in particular.

I've done the $0 shows before anyone else did, it won't work long term. And yah maybe it didn't "work" for me in the brief stint I had with them but I don't think this is a "it works for me so it works" thing. I guess we will find out if the $0 shows stop, they must not be working at that point. That's not meant to criticize and I don't want to offend anyone who does these shows, I just think they will eventually realize it made them quick money while it lasted... and it will be much harder to go back to "normal".

I'm probably putting too much time into sharing my thoughts on it which is why I hesitated to say anything about it. I tend to over analyze. ;)

Holly_xoxo
02-04-2014, 12:17 PM
I think 0$ shows would be hard to maintain in the long run because the guys will just keep expecting more. Sure, at the beginning, they'll drop good amounts of money and get their vids and whatever else is being offered because it's a new novelty but unless the performer has a lot of creativity, the guys that put in money, won't keep doing it for the same show, same videos, over and over again. They'll just come back and see it for free when they're looking for a quick wank.

The performers that I saw doing 0 shows before had it as an occasional thing when they were trying something new or wanted to do a hang out thing and be able to be completely naked. It was just a once in awhile fun thing to do.

I'll be honest...part of me is hoping this will be something that fades out pretty quick. Between the beggars and the guys from dating sites, the last thing I want to deal with now is guys lurking around hoping I'll do a free show.

BritishBecky
02-04-2014, 12:21 PM
I agree that I don't see how it can work long term. And yeah, I've seen a few more girls today doing them (I'd only seen a handful of girls up til today). BTW, I still think it's ridiculous that you never got your $$$ for the one you did ages ago.


I've seen at least 4 doing them so I'm not talking about any one in particular.

I've done the $0 shows before anyone else did, it won't work long term. And yah maybe it didn't "work" for me in the brief stint I had with them but I don't think this is a "it works for me so it works" thing. I guess we will find out if the $0 shows stop, they must not be working at that point. That's not meant to criticize and I don't want to offend anyone who does these shows, I just think they will eventually realize it made them quick money while it lasted... and it will be much harder to go back to "normal".

I'm probably putting too much time into sharing my thoughts on it which is why I hesitated to say anything about it. I tend to over analyze. ;)

Ms.Lacey
02-04-2014, 12:27 PM
I mainly see girls from a certain studio doing them...

Staples
02-04-2014, 12:29 PM
Finally having a decent day on Streamate for the first time since they went down a couple weeks ago. It's about time! I was losing faith in my abilities.

gingerstripper
02-04-2014, 12:56 PM
anyones mic not working sm.... it works fine on mfc... but its not working today on sm...

kortneykay
02-04-2014, 02:14 PM
I've been getting back to back shows with all of them being EXL and I'm hearing sounds as if I were in a PVT. It sounds like guys are coming in and out of it and I'm not able to see the customer's writing either. I'll try again later but this is bugging the crap out of me.

Charlotteslut
02-04-2014, 02:20 PM
Of course if you speculate about this you get labeled in one way or another as a "hater" or "shit talker" or "jealous" or whatever else. I don't think anyone here is "hating" we are all just speculating and sharing opinions.

Yeah, I hate the knee-jerk reaction some people have that if you criticize pricing norms, or SM in general you are just a ~*jealous hater loser*~ who is struggling and bitter. It's just an easy way of dismissing opinions you don't agree with.

justanothercamgirl
02-04-2014, 03:31 PM
JAC - if it's amusing you might be missing the bigger point of what someone like me is saying..? I don't think it's a bad decision to offer free videos, do a free show, etc. on occasion. The big point here being "on occasion". When it starts being the norm, that's when it becomes a bad idea as a whole. Because free vids are the norm for a lot of models now, it's made it harder for you AND me to do normal shows without extras. If it was offered on occasion I don't think it would have ended up this way.

You think that is it okay to offer videos on occasion and I think it was never okay to offer videos at all and that it was the girls offering videos on occasion that is part of what got us into this 'doing gold shows at a loss' mess in the first place.

You see a downward spiral that will be hard to come out of.........and I see the eventual death of gold shows because the price will be driven so low that no one will offer them anymore.

So which one of us is right?

Both of us are. Neither of us are. You are. I am.

The future is in the future and we are currently living in the present.

And that was the 'bigger point' that I was personally making.

SarahTime
02-04-2014, 03:38 PM
You think that is it okay to offer videos on occasion and I think it was never okay to offer videos at all and that it was the girls offering videos on occasion that is part of what got us into this 'doing gold shows at a loss' mess in the first place.

You see a downward spiral that will be hard to come out of.........and I see the eventual death of gold shows because the price will be driven so low that no one will offer them anymore.

So which one of us is right?

Both of us are. Neither of us are. You are. I am.

The future is in the future and we are currently living in the present.

And that was the 'bigger point' that I was personally making.

I think we essentially agree. :) I would be okay with seeing the eventual death of the gold show. I much prefer privates/excl.

"The future is in the future and we are currently living in the present." <---- Great thing to always remember, not just in camming but in life!

Marina Starr
02-04-2014, 03:45 PM
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The future is in the future and we are currently living in the present.

justanothercamgirl
02-04-2014, 03:49 PM
I think we essentially agree. :)

We generally do. :)

As always, I think the points you bring up are REALLY important.

I would love to see the death of gold shows too but truth be told......my main worry right now, the one that keeps me up at night.......is that if Streamate doesn't pull its glitchy shit together soon that there will be no one to sell any types of shows too. :(

I've already has regular custies asking me if I work any other sites because they are tired of dealing with all the inconveniences that come from faulty coding.

Not a good sign of things to come.

Glasses
02-04-2014, 04:05 PM
I'm curious where this is heading.

I wouldn't mind gold shows not dying out, instead I think I'd like something like ImLive did with their happy hour. (In general I do not like or do happy hour, because I take their rate as an insult, but I mean how it works) So they have the happy hour, which one can host only once every 24-hours, after earning a certain amount in that 24 hour period. Gold shows could be special like this too. But that will never happen, I'm sure.

Alylondon
02-04-2014, 04:21 PM
I've been getting back to back shows with all of them being EXL and I'm hearing sounds as if I were in a PVT. It sounds like guys are coming in and out of it and I'm not able to see the customer's writing either. I'll try again later but this is bugging the crap out of me.

That was happening to me last night. It was tripping me out and ruining the show. I hate 30 sec lurkers. I'm thinking of just accepting exl only

augusta_viva
02-04-2014, 04:25 PM
I hate gold shows, they honestly bum me out. It seems like so much work for so little money. I have never done them, so people know that If they want to see me, its gonna have to be in pvt or exclusive. I am lucky because it is very rare for people to ask for a video or a picture (I dont have any anyway). It seems like men are getting so much for there little tips, Its disheartening. Plus I don't like entertaining huge groups of people at once, its hard to coordinate.

xxtinamariexx
02-04-2014, 04:38 PM
I've been getting back to back shows with all of them being EXL and I'm hearing sounds as if I were in a PVT. It sounds like guys are coming in and out of it and I'm not able to see the customer's writing either. I'll try again later but this is bugging the crap out of me.

I am getting the same thing Kortney, I posted in Verified. It is pissing me off too as these guys are paying to be in exclusive with me.. not to hear sounds and noises.. I actually sent in a support ticket, not sure if it will help, but maybe if many of us do it... it will

justanothercamgirl
02-04-2014, 06:58 PM
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/tumblr_m98m0fY6rL1qgb5p1o1_500_zps01e75461.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/tumblr_m98m0fY6rL1qgb5p1o1_500_zps01e75461.gif.htm l)

I think that these strange phrases that pop out of my mouth are what happens when you take a Buddhist monastery escapee and turn them into a camgirl. :D

I am still seeking enlightenment but now I just happen to be charging men by the minute while I bide my time waiting for it to find me.

Did I actually just make a 'Naked Nirvana' joke? :O

Oh man, if there *is* a Buddhist hell you will all know where you'll eventually be able to find me.

JaneBurgess
02-04-2014, 08:05 PM
You are both right on the video part. I can see giving you a video or two, but not 30. If you have to give out 30 vid's to get guys to chip in for a $5 show, than you need to work on your hustle. I have also seen performers charge for a video bundle, which makes sense. Not sure why more cam sites don't have performer stores.

I will say the future of camming looks bleak if you base it on what's going on now. All the free shit is killing the industry and you have to look at how things are going to work long term. If you only worry about the here and now you won't be prepared for the future and you need to be to survive in adult.

Holly_xoxo
02-04-2014, 09:10 PM
Sometimes I feel like it's the performer paying the customer to watch us. He gets to leave with 40 videos, that from what I understand he downloads and has for life and get his nut and we're left with 35% of his 4 dollar contribution Lol

This seems out of balance.

I like how on AW, you have vids but they just get to rent them. It's not downloaded on their computer for life.

justanothercamgirl
02-04-2014, 09:17 PM
If you only worry about the here and now you won't be prepared for the future and you need to be to survive in adult.

What should one be doing to 'be prepared?'

Doesn't it make more sense to adapt to that which you can't change?

Marina Starr
02-04-2014, 09:46 PM
WOW! SM is so fucking rocking tonight!
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/dr2_5_252gif42_zpse8da24a4.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/dr2_5_252gif42_zpse8da24a4.gif.html)

bbwchristyminx
02-04-2014, 10:11 PM
I've been getting back to back shows with all of them being EXL and I'm hearing sounds as if I were in a PVT. It sounds like guys are coming in and out of it and I'm not able to see the customer's writing either. I'll try again later but this is bugging the crap out of me.

Yeah that's been happening to me in exclusive off and on when I'm in a show.

temptingmodel
02-04-2014, 10:58 PM
Doesn't it make more sense to adapt to that which you can't change?
1. End of camming when we had sound in free "oMG NO One IS GoInG To TAKE MEEEEEEEEE private" (they love our voices)
2. End of camming when we had to simply use the EASIEST ROUND OF ENCODER on sm (could u imagine a little box again?)
3. End of camming when we where told to upgrade computers ( tech improves)
4. End of camming when that model held that first 1$ for 15 mins gold show, NO ENCITIVES except "I will flash you at 100 goldbb" (now we are tossing vids with a 15v min countdown starting over for a lot of models)

I haven't really had any negative effects not changing?

:)

there has been so many drama fest about the world of change .. change is our future.. its going to happen.

SarahTime
02-04-2014, 11:38 PM
Everyone makes really good points on the world of camming. Hard to agree with just one! lol :)

I'm just going to shut up, hustle, and hope for the best! :D

Tonight wasn't so bad on SM... couldn't get gold shows going *shocker* but privates were decent. No complaints!

GlamourRouge
02-04-2014, 11:38 PM
Can we not talk about negative stuff in The Streamate thread? Can you go post that in Camming Sucks Right Now or something so people that don't want to focus on negativity don't have to read it? I'd hate to have to give up this thread. It used to be a positive and informative one.

I understand tech issue posts, but complaining about what girls are doing that you don't like isn't going to make them stop doing it. You cannot control what other people do, so its kind of a pointless topic to discuss IMO. Its not like they are breaking the rules. And its not like these are new trends.


That being said, the site is still going through upgrades, and I have a feeling they are trying to make it more app-friendly because ipads and tablets are still growing. I also suspect that the next iphone (or the one after that) will be more like a hybrid of the current iphone mixed with a mini tablet. Only much flatter. Which is good because it will make watching streamate on a phone (for the custy) much more desirable IMO.

Marina Starr
02-04-2014, 11:44 PM
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Snowy0Star
02-05-2014, 12:05 AM
Can we not talk about negative stuff in The Streamate thread? Can you go post that in Camming Sucks Right Now or something so people that don't want to focus on negativity don't have to read it? I'd hate to have to give up this thread. It used to be a positive and informative one.

I understand tech issue posts, but complaining about what girls are doing that you don't like isn't going to make them stop doing it. You cannot control what other people do, so its kind of a pointless topic to discuss IMO. Its not like they are breaking the rules. And its not like these are new trends.


That being said, the site is still going through upgrades, and I have a feeling they are trying to make it more app-friendly because ipads and tablets are still growing. I also suspect that the next iphone (or the one after that) will be more like a hybrid of the current iphone mixed with a mini tablet. Only much flatter. Which is good because it will make watching streamate on a phone (for the custy) much more desirable IMO.

i hope so i still get ppl who cant go pvt on a mobile all i see is them 'loggng off' when they try and im still in free no 30 min countdown like they just didnt try and take me into paid but i think thats everyone no?

Mare
02-05-2014, 06:06 AM
Sometimes I feel like it's the performer paying the customer to watch us. He gets to leave with 40 videos, that from what I understand he downloads and has for life and get his nut and we're left with 35% of his 4 dollar contribution Lol

This seems out of balance.

I like how on AW, you have vids but they just get to rent them. It's not downloaded on their computer for life.


Exactly!!!! Why get 35% why not sell your vids on clips4sale and open a store that could sell for years to come and sell while you sleep. WHY ARE YOU GIVING AWAY PORN. PORN. PORN FOR FREEEEEEEEE?????? SEX sells. We are here to make $$$$$. Sell it!!!!! Don't give away 40 videos or even 1 to get 35% off a fucking dollar for a 10 min show. Gezzus. I don't care who hates on me for saying that.

temptingmodel
02-05-2014, 06:50 AM
Exactly!!!! Why get 35% why not sell your vids on clips4sale and open a store that could sell for years to come and sell while you sleep. WHY ARE YOU GIVING AWAY PORN. PORN. PORN FOR FREEEEEEEEE?????? SEX sells. We are here to make $$$$$. Sell it!!!!! Don't give away 40 videos or even 1 to get 35% off a fucking dollar for a 10 min show. Gezzus. I don't care who hates on me for saying that.

I agree
now I will be a hypocrite
I give vids.. maybe 2 or 3 mins each , charge extra. On c4s yes we get more BUT if its not fetish I stick with the basic price. (I give a recording of a prev GS that is usually cut)
On c4s I charge 2.99? maybe 3.99
SM its 10.00 per vid , already making the full price of c4s.
When I flip it the % is abt the same.
If the guys where smart they would buy into the GC for only 20.00 and get the exact same vids PLUS 2 years of vids. (its 20.00 to join GC and get all content that sm already owns, no downloads, everything right there)

If they where really smart ONLY ONE CAUGHT THIS LOL I was giving a link to a pirated video that's been on the web for years and BORING AF. (that was my personal joke on custis) I get a lot of hits off this one pirated vid so Im not removing it , that is why the link is there.

Some vids I keep out there and some I have taken down.

Sometimes I wish that train for the vids on profile didn't pass by while my where closed. That would've been nice. Then again Im sure something was impacting the site w that hence they don't offer it?

Incantatious
02-05-2014, 06:55 AM
I find there's a very tricky line of hustle with camming that can either make me bank, or make me lose out, and not being able to mind-read which will harmonize well with my audience can be haphazard...

Like with the hustle/mentality that:

1. "I'm just here to have fun! I'm so horny I just had to log on here! I don't care if we reach the goal, I need to cum!"
vs
2. "I'm here to make money. If you don't pay up, I'm not doing SHIT for you, bitches"

Both of those hustles can make money, but when times are tough, how can I make that latter hustle work when I've been known for so long to be the former? There are times when it just doesn't work so just switching into bitch-mode might just seem offputting because then it'll all seem fake?

Idk. Can anyone else weigh in with this? With doing that switch successfully? Do you change your persona so dramatically regularly?

Mare
02-05-2014, 07:08 AM
@ Tempting - either way you are selling :) @ Incantacious - I hustle both of those. When I'm in a good mood it's #1 hustle. Bad mood or pms = #2 hustle. The 1 1/2 hustle seems to work ok. The I'm in a good mood, but you need to pay me to get me to work.

Marina Starr
02-05-2014, 07:24 AM
I work both hustle! I'm a novelty/fetish so I am "expected" to be slightly more bitchy and standoffish so I feel it depends on your niche. I prefer to work in my happy and pleasant mode because I feel better that way.
I hope that makes sense. Please excuse my grammar. My English is so basic.



I find there's a very tricky line of hustle with camming that can either make me bank, or make me lose out, and not being able to mind-read which will harmonize well with my audience can be haphazard...

Like with the hustle/mentality that:

1. "I'm just here to have fun! I'm so horny I just had to log on here! I don't care if we reach the goal, I need to cum!"
vs
2. "I'm here to make money. If you don't pay up, I'm not doing SHIT for you, bitches"

Both of those hustles can make money, but when times are tough, how can I make that latter hustle work when I've been known for so long to be the former? There are times when it just doesn't work so just switching into bitch-mode might just seem offputting because then it'll all seem fake?

Idk. Can anyone else weigh in with this? With doing that switch successfully? Do you change your persona so dramatically regularly?

temptingmodel
02-05-2014, 07:34 AM
Do you change your persona so dramatically regularly? both work like charms as long as it matches the mood

temptingmodel
02-05-2014, 07:50 AM
@Mare what they are really seeking are b/g vids from me
1) I don't have one to give.
2)I will never have one to give.
3)I don know ppl willing to risk their livelihood

When I say "xyz has vids"
they say
"I have that"
or this is popular
"I have vids from every girl on this site"

I catch hell for not doing b/g g/g and im saying this is a cam site...Im a solo model doing solo things. That is literally my free chat lol