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Magical_Hoohah
03-17-2014, 10:12 AM
Ok, so I know that we aren't supposed to SHOW ASS BB, when someone asks us to do that. And I know I have a really nice ass and I know that whenever I show my ass to someone who says "SHOW ASS BB." that they leave my chat and I never see a dime. But I guess I am not the brightest mirror in the salon so could someone please explain what happens when I show ass just so I can understand it? I assume they screen shot it or jerk off real fast, but sometimes I wonder if I should have shown my ass to maintain customer relations.
I don't think that's a silly question. In the case of asses, they are probably getting off by going room to room seeing all the girls' asses, and jerking off the whole time. It's like getting a compilation of ass shots.
I've also been wondering the same thing about standing up. I had trouble figuring out what could they possibly be getting out of a girl *just* standing up, so I didn't see the problem. I'm guessing they ask us to stand because they're worried that you've had major weight changes since you took your photos, it's a less pervy way of asking to see your ass, they think they'll see a lot of skin, or they just get off on getting you to do something for free even if it's something simple.
I know many of you will disagree with me, but here are some reasons that I stand in free chat without being tipped:
#1. I worked a desk job for 6+ years, and at jobs like that, having an excuse to get up and walk around (like going to the copier) is like getting a treat. Part of me still feels that way about standing and moving around. (When I read back over that, it sounds awful. How do people survive in jobs like that? I'm sooo grateful for camming!)
#2. I don't flash or show ass at all in free. If I ask them for tips to see me stand, they'll think they can get other things for tips, too. I really don't want to encourage guys in my room to think that they can buy stuff with tips. I want them to tip if they think I'm awesome. Period.
#3. I can't figure out how to align my "I'm here because I'm horny and love it" persona with an "I won't do shit unless you pay" policy. (Ideas, ladies?)
#4. I wear a lot of clothes compared to some models - I'm either fully clothed or wearing shirt, bra, and high-coverage panties (like boyshorts). Plus, my ass is, well... not exactly flat, but I'm pretty top-heavy. I'll stand quickly, do a super-fast turn, and sit back down. If their download speed isn't good, I doubt they can see much at all. Even if they can, it's a clothed, not-so-asstastic girl twirling for a half a second. Unless they have a twirling fetish, there's just not much jerk off material there.
#5. I usually end up in paid chat shortly afterward. A couple guys have told me that they were thinking about going exclusive, but when they saw the flood of "omg, bb, wooow, ur so hot," they knew they had to snag me quickly before someone else did.
#6. I secretly hope that some of these guys think that I'll stand, turn around, and shake my "phat booty" in their face while wearing no panties, or a g-string so tiny that they can see 97% of my junk. When I say "Sure, I'll stand," I imagine their excitement, and then their terrible disappointment when they see the reality described in #4. I feel like I just flipped them off, and they don't even realize it.
#7. I realize that some guys get off on the "I told her to do something, and she did it, so I made a dumb ho do something for free!" concept. I won't stand unless they are polite and phrase it as a question or request. Me "making" them correct their manners and grammar pretty well trumps them "making" me stand. I love winning mind games against douchebags!
#8. If a guy is somehow managing to get off on my "stand and turn," he clearly has the ejaculation control of a 13 year old at a nude beach full of Playboy models. These men do not make good customers, but they do make me giggle.
#9. The joy and glee I derive from #6, #7, and #8 more than make up for any energy I spend on standing up a few times per day.
Magical_Hoohah
03-17-2014, 10:20 AM
I'm not sure if you saw my post about it the other day, but members won't be able to see the exclusive chat option until they've already taken a model to premium chat...or until they've already tipped a model 5 Gold. So if he's new to Streamate and has never gone premium or never tipped 5 Gold, the only thing he'll see on his end is the premium chat option.
Yes, I saw your post, and it's really helpful to know, since some custies say they can't go exclusive. In SoloDesire's post (the one I quoted), she said that she had spent money on her customer account and was seeing exclusive rates for some models, but not others. I had noticed the same thing with my custie account, and I also have spent money. Most of the models I've seen have an exclusive rate, but a few don't. I assumed it was a glitch, but maybe those models disabled exclusive.
kittykrane
03-17-2014, 10:30 AM
I don't mind standing up either without a tip....I can't sit very long anyhow. They probably just want to see if we are wearing panties, have cameltoe, who knows what goes through their minds. Maybe just to see if we are responsive? When they start asking for specifics: doggy, close ups, tits out..they can tip.
ZafinaX
03-17-2014, 10:59 AM
I don't do shit unless they tip me. I've stopped greeting everyone who comes in too and basically I just sit there listening to music and I only talk if someone says hi first. My income has increased and I'm no longer tired and frustrated when they don't respond 8) I've started being way more direct and it pays off. The time wasters leave and I didn't waste my energy on them :)
I think I'm gonna start doing this...I get extra tired talking so much to those who aren't talking back ...and btw, you are beautiful!!! :) lol
Renton
03-17-2014, 11:05 AM
^aww thank you :D <3
Just try it, at first I thought I'd scare away paying customers, but nope!
Bambola
03-17-2014, 11:05 AM
Freeloaders paradise yes,show ass,show heels,show tits for one second,show body,i just want talk i cant go private.... what happened!!!! Is really depressing..
AliceFun
03-17-2014, 11:14 AM
Just the other day i had a guy asking me to stand and show my body even he could see my body almost fully (except feet), i told him i take non-nude requests or flash in freechat for 5 gold, he left, few mins later he came back saying "ok i know u want money to stand but all i wanna see is a bit more of you".
Well, i rarely 'buy' this but i decided to do him a favor, i got up and showed clothed body. Guess what? He left right away w.o saying a word, he left me with my mouth open like wtf? there was no difference between me lying down on a side in bed and getting up, he saw the same thing when i got up but i think it was the fact that i did something FOR HIM FOR FREE, who knows his reasons but i know i felt not good after all.
Bambola
03-17-2014, 11:18 AM
Yesterday im in mfc and i have 70 tk spanking and one guy give me 10 tokens and note :spanking and i told him spanking is 70 and he say NO is 10,do it if you want i rate you 5 stars. I say him ok banned is free if you want get banned,and he told me im stupid he still see me bla bla...i banned him....incredible .....
SoloDesire
03-17-2014, 11:20 AM
I don't do shit unless they tip me. I've stopped greeting everyone who comes in too and basically I just sit there listening to music and I only talk if someone says hi first. My income has increased and I'm no longer tired and frustrated when they don't respond 8) I've started being way more direct and it pays off. The time wasters leave and I didn't waste my energy on them :)
I'm the exact same way. It works better for me...maybe it's a personality thing, but I make more money playing this game than bending over backwards for them and getting exhausted mentally. It works for me!
AliceFun
03-17-2014, 11:35 AM
^^^ Same here, i am polite and smiley but firm, i want my paying members to know they cant take advantage of me & they have to contribute if they want something out of me. One guy said once 'u dont greet me?' I answered 'u come in MY room, u greet ME', i type 'Hi' when i see people coming in but never using their usernames or talking, i even started to ask for tips to talk now lol, i am not comfy talking in free chat but i do in pvt (personal reason).
If u have many guys in ur room it could work to stand & show off cause maybe one from 50 or so will take u pvt (i used to do this on SM years ago when my traffic was nice) but now traffic slowed down a lot after they introduced the gold shows & i better not stand & show off for free to that one guy asking but save if for private chat. Everyone has different traffic in their rooms & have different work style so best is to do what works for you.
kittykrane
03-17-2014, 12:01 PM
I appreciate the advice, but seriously? Where in my post did I even begin to imply that I show my ass EVERY TIME THEY ASK? O_O <---- seriously ? This is me looking at you like this O_O . With one of these ---> !
Well here's what you wrote: "I know that whenever I show my ass to someone who says "SHOW ASS BB." that they leave my chat and I never see a dime" .
It's in the present active tense, so it can be read/understood and implied as if you are STILL doing it for them whenever they ask. And " whenever" according to Merriam Webster means "at any or every time that"...so yes, you did imply it. Perhaps you didn't mean too, but you did, when what you probably meant to say is that: showing your ass was something you USED to do and they would leave without paying a dime? That would have made perfect sense. My apologies if you took my statement "to stop showing your ass everytime (they ask)" the wrong way; it wasn't meant to come across as rude.
gingerstripper
03-17-2014, 08:30 PM
anyone else have like severe encoder problems today?
I think they just get off on getting you to get out of your obviously comfortable position by asking you to stand. I don't do jack shit unless they pay me. Pay to play site bb. Freeloaders can go look at a magazine that's not going to interact with them at all. The way I look at it is they are addicts. Feet addicts/pussy addicts/humiliation addicts/ass adicts, ect. I don't know of any drug dealers. But it's my understanding that very few will give a sample. You pay or you feen. That's it. Just like prostitutes. Guys are addicted. I don't know of any working girl that's giving free samples. First off a pimp would fuck a chick up for that. Now before anyone flames me for saying I'm equating cam work to drug dealing and prostitution- I'm not. I'm equating it to addiction. Make them pay for their addiction.
But I get that everyone has a different hustle. Work what works for you!
SoloDesire
03-18-2014, 06:03 AM
^It's funny you said that because I often tell the guys who ask me to do free stuff that my pimp will beat me if I do that without being paid first. Lol.
TheOutlier
03-18-2014, 06:10 AM
Is it likely to have any luck doing audio part of the time and silent shows during other hours? I'd like to work more hours but it's prohibitive to work with audio during certain hours...
That's a good question. I have thought of doing that too. I've read some ladies saying it's just as good. The guys get off on you having to be secretive. But I'd have a hell of a time giving a show with no sound. That's why I often don't cater to the type to me bb crowd. How are you going to hear me moaning? The dirty talking is half the show! And I have 1 guy that comes in that I will do this for. I know he has no sound and he stays and does a pretty decent show. But he types to me the whole time and I have to stop what I'm doing or attempting to do and type back. Super awkward.
SoloDesire
03-18-2014, 06:53 AM
Is it likely to have any luck doing audio part of the time and silent shows during other hours? I'd like to work more hours but it's prohibitive to work with audio during certain hours...
Of course! I use sound during the days when I'm home alone, but in the evenings I can't make as much noise. I still keep my audio on, play music but type to them instead of talk. Sometimes I even do better when typing...I think they like the one on one attention they get that way. If they ask why I'm not speaking, I just tell them I can't be loud because I'm not home alone...most are just fine with it. During the show I let out quiet sighs of pleasure instead of moaning...seems to work just fine ;)
Marina Starr
03-18-2014, 06:54 AM
Mare,
This makes me laugh so hard! A pimp will bitch slap you for that shit like his life depends on it!
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/JzOBHHG_zps9360a9a7.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/JzOBHHG_zps9360a9a7.gif.html)
I don't know of any working girl that's giving free samples. First off a pimp would fuck a chick up for that.
Marina Starr
03-18-2014, 07:01 AM
Of course! I am actually silent in all hours, lol! I just tell them I live with my parents and don't want to get caught. They love and eat that shit up!
Is it likely to have any luck doing audio part of the time and silent shows during other hours? I'd like to work more hours but it's prohibitive to work with audio during certain hours...
justanothercamgirl
03-18-2014, 07:23 AM
Thanks!
The peepers weren't so happy for my last 2 shifts though. I saved myself a lot of effort with my little 30 second timer... as soon as a guy comes into private I hit the timer start and when it beeps at 30 seconds we can get down to business. Some of the serial peepers would have realized I was onto their game and gave me miss. I bought a cute little pink Tanita timer today - it's my new best friend.:D
How naive I was to think all these peepers were paying, but on every other site I work on even a 1 second peep costs them.
You weren't naive at all! You were kept in the dark. It seriously gets my panties in a twist that Streamate finds it unnecessary to inform the camgirls that work for them about their peeper policy.
caramelDip
03-18-2014, 07:33 AM
I was on my customer account giving compliments and tipping just because. She models would greet me really loudly the second I went in. I left immediately, I didn't like that lol. I Dont greet everyone that pops in and now I'm glad I dont . I'm sure some members Dont mind, this is just my experience.
brittany_bitch
03-18-2014, 10:19 AM
Marina I would so get a show if I had a cc lol. I need one but sadly do not have one :( I am just too depressed right now to get a show from someone else when my own shows are making me sad I can't believe the peepers get a whole extra ten seconds :( So sad. 40 seconds really that hurts me deeply .
Marina Starr
03-18-2014, 10:31 AM
Every once in a while, I feel it in my heart to give back to my community by not charging so I just PM-ed you... FOR FREE ;D
Marina I would so get a show if I had a cc lol. I need one but sadly do not have one :( I am just too depressed right now to get a show from someone else when my own shows are making me sad I can't believe the peepers get a whole extra ten seconds :( So sad. 40 seconds really that hurts me deeply .
Bambola
03-18-2014, 11:11 AM
Is streamate full of freeloaders today and yesterday or is just me? I can stay log on,i banned 7 guys in one hour,what the fuck....
CurvyWinona
03-18-2014, 11:11 AM
same here. :( i am trying to be serious on camming this week, after weeks of messed up schedule. and all i get are freeloaders or peekers.
Bambola
03-18-2014, 11:16 AM
What happened with this people i put 2 golds show and 5 guys join? Everybody want speak for free,show ass,show feet,show heels,you are so pretty,i want to go private but i have to go...i will do private next week,flash pussy,has given me anxiety i make 0 today and 0 yesterday because not stand being online is as laught...im so sad,the mans dont have any respect for us. The worst thing is that in my room there is very little traffic i dont know why...
Marina Starr
03-18-2014, 11:31 AM
PLEASE post how bad/sucks SM is in the 'camming sucks' thread. I am scared to log on when I read how horrible it is. I just want to cry a river. Must be the high dosage of whoremones...
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/angst_zps476ade5a.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/angst_zps476ade5a.gif.html)
Incantatious
03-18-2014, 11:55 AM
What happened with this people i put 2 golds show and 5 guys join? Everybody want speak for free,show ass,show feet,show heels,you are so pretty,i want to go private but i have to go...i will do private next week,flash pussy,has given me anxiety i make 0 today and 0 yesterday because not stand being online is as laught...im so sad,the mans dont have any respect for us. The worst thing is that in my room there is very little traffic i dont know why...
No one can answer this. There are simply far, far too many variables for anyone to give you an accurate answer to this. ~ (Examples would be: Are you using the encoder? What is your stream like? What is your lighting like? Do you have a three-point lighting system? Are you playing up your best features on cam? Have you experimented with different looks, camera angles, makeup and clothing? Do you have high quality internet? Have you checked your stream when online, or had someone else check it for you? Is your composition pleasing to viewers? Is your room tidy or messy? Are you smiling when on cam? Do you seem approachable on cam? How long have you been camming? Do you cam consistently at the same times each night or day? How long have you been camming on Streamate? Are your audience used to you doing GOLD shows? How long have you been trying GOLD shows for? What is your niche? How long do you spend on cam each time you log on for a shift?) ~ There are too many variables.
After having read as much as possible of this forum - making sure to act as a vacuum for information on camming as much as possible - YOU are your best bet, when it comes to the answer to your question.
I said this same thing to someone else a few days ago - if GOLD shows aren't working for you right now, don't sweat it. By all means experiment now and then, but don't try to force it. Sure, we all know how much $$$ they can bring in, however, they are risky. GOLD shows can be extremely consuming on your time and your energy when you consider composing a show topic, hustling your way through the countdown, and potentially take a big knock in seeing your time wasted by all the freeloaders in free chat who aren't paying you resulting in no show / no money - and possibly go through all that, again, for no dice.
GOLD show hustles are like a "death hustle" to me, lol ~ I can put so much energy in trying to get people in, that I exhaust myself far easier than regular free chat hustling and any other GOLD show countdowns after that that night.
Your time and energy are precious things in camming ~ use them wisely! <3
Staples
03-18-2014, 12:13 PM
Here's my take on standing and doing things in free.
In my show text I have "5 Gold for requests"
This includes standing, feet, boobs, ass, etc.
If I were camming in a room on a bed or in a chair I would probably stand more but I cam from a small walk-in closet and it's a major pain to stand and push my computer cart back so they can see me.
Now, if they don't request it and I just happen to need to stand then I just do. I don't wait for someone to ask. My rule is if you request it you have to tip. If I just happen to do it and you didn't ask then hey you got lucky and saw me stand for free.
Charlotteslut
03-18-2014, 12:35 PM
IMO Gold shows are a waste of time if you can't consistently hit your goals. Are you consistently hitting goal? Awesome. If not do pvt/excl. Pretty simple :) There is no magic formula, some cam models just aren't right for GS. Myself included lol. You can't make yourself into a GS girl if that's not what your customer base wants to pay for.
Renton
03-18-2014, 01:20 PM
um, is anyone else suddenly having encoder issues? the first 2min everything was normal and all of a sudden my bit rate is 120-300 and fps is 8... usually I get around 600-700 and 20 fps... I have the latest version of the encoder and am hard wired, I don't know why this suddenly happens...
edit: nvm ladies, fixed it! was my stupid router -_-
kittykrane
03-18-2014, 01:23 PM
IMO Gold shows are a waste of time if you can't consistently hit your goals. Are you consistently hitting goal? Awesome. If not do pvt/excl. Pretty simple :) There is no magic formula, some cam models just aren't right for GS. Myself included lol. You can't make yourself into a GS girl if that's not what your customer base wants to pay for.
I tried 3 today with varying price points..complete waste of time and I didn't start one of them like I sometimes do if I can get halfway..Sorry but I was not fucking myself for 20 gold. One guy kept asking for anal in the show..i was like are you kidding me? You chip in a big chunk if you want anal, not 2 gold! I swear they want more and more for next to nothing....But I have to try if they aren't going PVT or EXC. It's advertising if anything.
sexyred
03-18-2014, 01:35 PM
Just to keep everyone from being discouraged... SM is generally pretty good for me but the last few shifts have been awesome! There is still money to be made...
Bambola
03-18-2014, 02:07 PM
No one can answer this. There are simply far, far too many variables for anyone to give you an accurate answer to this. ~ (Examples would be: Are you using the encoder? What is your stream like? What is your lighting like? Do you have a three-point lighting system? Are you playing up your best features on cam? Have you experimented with different looks, camera angles, makeup and clothing? Do you have high quality internet? Have you checked your stream when online, or had someone else check it for you? Is your composition pleasing to viewers? Is your room tidy or messy? Are you smiling when on cam? Do you seem approachable on cam? How long have you been camming? Do you cam consistently at the same times each night or day? How long have you been camming on Streamate? Are your audience used to you doing GOLD shows? How long have you been trying GOLD shows for? What is your niche? How long do you spend on cam each time you log on for a shift?) ~ There are too many variables.
After having read as much as possible of this forum - making sure to act as a vacuum for information on camming as much as possible - YOU are your best bet, when it comes to the answer to your question.
I said this same thing to someone else a few days ago - if GOLD shows aren't working for you right now, don't sweat it. By all means experiment now and then, but don't try to force it. Sure, we all know how much $$$ they can bring in, however, they are risky. GOLD shows can be extremely consuming on your time and your energy when you consider composing a show topic, hustling your way through the countdown, and potentially take a big knock in seeing your time wasted by all the freeloaders in free chat who aren't paying you resulting in no show / no money - and possibly go through all that, again, for no dice.
GOLD show hustles are like a "death hustle" to me, lol ~ I can put so much energy in trying to get people in, that I exhaust myself far easier than regular free chat hustling and any other GOLD show countdowns after that that night.
Your time and energy are precious things in camming ~ use them wisely! <3
Hi thanks for your help, almost all the questions are yes,very good internet connection,professional light,good make up and nice clothes,normal room clean,toys,smile,etc etc.....i see many girls this weeks say the seem SM suck´s this week....i dont know why.
About the niche in my profile in sm appear thi categories: YOUR PROFILE – CATEGORIES
Check all that apply. Pregnancy
Toys
Housewives
Tattoos
Piercings
Non-Nude (If you select this category you will be removed from all other categories)
Why only this? And no something like latina,pornstars,shaved? only this five things???? I dont understand this ...
IvyRose
03-18-2014, 03:47 PM
I agree with sexyred; did well my second block, first round sucked ass, but it has all be forgotten since it went well afterwards.
Go get those wankers!
I wondered that too Bambola. I checked everything but non-nude. Then I guess you just have to hope they put you in all the other appropriate categories. I'm not sure why those are the 5 choices either.
TheOutlier
03-18-2014, 05:39 PM
Thought this might be helpful for that countdown... http://www.timeme.com/timer.htm
Snowy0Star
03-18-2014, 05:42 PM
Thought this might be helpful for that countdown... http://www.timeme.com/timer.htm
i dont think most ppl will use it for the timer on sm but i will be using it on token sites to time myself the emote timers dont work for me that well so i will be using it silently in the background ....
Marina Starr
03-18-2014, 08:43 PM
Dearest SM,
I keep getting guys taking me private without knowing I got the best of both worlds. If you are being being glitchy, I am certainly not complaining though ;D
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/Big-Ang-anim_zpsf1da2832.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/Big-Ang-anim_zpsf1da2832.gif.html)
temptingmodel
03-18-2014, 10:28 PM
lol this is a classic
Dearest SM,
I keep getting guys taking me private without knowing I got the best of both worlds. If you are being being glitchy, I am certainly not complaining though ;D
tropo
03-19-2014, 01:22 AM
You weren't naive at all! You were kept in the dark. It seriously gets my panties in a twist that Streamate finds it unnecessary to inform the camgirls that work for them about their peeper policy.
I contacted customer service about this on Saturday and have not heard from them yet (in 4 days). Luckily I got the answer on here immediately. My workload has decreased significantly as I was doing a lot of free shows until I started using the timer on Saturday.
As an extra benefit (of knowing), I don't cut my other site feeds off until the 30 s is up, so I don't lose the momentum of my other sites for a 30 second non-paying wanker.
Thanks to all.
tropo
03-19-2014, 01:30 AM
Thought this might be helpful for that countdown... http://www.timeme.com/timer.htm
That's a cool timer which will come in useful. Thanks.
The way I work now I have too many windows up on my screens already (4 sites plus YM), so just hitting a little timer button is easier.
Marina Starr
03-19-2014, 05:20 AM
Classic case of 'I'm turning tricks and turning it well'.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/Turn-my-swag-on_zps904578f1.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/Turn-my-swag-on_zps904578f1.gif.html)
lol this is a classic
kortneykay
03-19-2014, 08:27 AM
I sit there and ask the guy a few questions. By the time they answer me back about what they like, I slowly stand up and 30 sec have already passed by. I haven't had a 30 second peeper doing this in EXL because of that little trick. I have two guys who thought they were under 30 but ended up at about a minute. I love this job.
lifeinluxe
03-19-2014, 09:56 AM
Today SM taught me that patience is indeed a virtue. Logged on for my regular shift and it was crickets... and not just metaphorically, I think I actually heard crickets. First hour in and all I have is $4.33. FML. I stay brave and hang in there, trying my very best to be charming and enticing for what seems like string after string of freeloaders and beggars. I manage to slowly inch myself up to $90 after what seems like a lot of elbow grease (per say). Then this one guy that had been hanging in my room since the start of my shift (not saying much so I let him be) takes me exclusive for conversation. He's really shy apparently and thinks that he should have to work for it before seeing me naked. He proceeded to max out 3 credit caps on different cards. I never got naked. Didn't even stand up. Did this man come from camgirl heaven? Not sure, and it's not really my place to ask, but if there is a patron saint for camgirls - where do I lay my offerings? Walking away with just a little over my daily goal and I'm so grateful! Good things do happen, so log in, work your shift, don't fear the lurkers and freeloaders. They're sure as heck not keeping this girl down!
kortneykay
03-19-2014, 11:03 AM
^^Get it girl! You are right. It seems the ones who lurk usually tend to take you pvt or exl before the day is over and will drop cake.
Bambola
03-19-2014, 01:03 PM
Hi,anybody here now what depends SM give you gold shows tv?Because im 3 months there and now they give me one gold show tv and is amazing....i would love it do it every day..
And i dont understand something if i do a gold show tv for 70 golds and i reach also 70 golds from costumers why i earn only 33 $?
CurvyWinona
03-19-2014, 01:33 PM
It is after your cut from percentage. You do not make 100 percent on SM for anything.
lemonberry
03-19-2014, 01:35 PM
;D
It is after your cut from percentage. You do not make 100 percent on SM for anything.
Cept for when you make none. You always make 100 percent of 0
Bambola
03-19-2014, 01:38 PM
Yes but if i do a show tv for 70 golds and costumers 70 golds this not 70plus70 140 and i have to apply the % at 140 ?