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AliceFun
03-22-2014, 07:50 AM
JAC, in my case i did not have to tell a number, they enabled me to go up to 9.99, i can pick any price in between, so another proof they never do the same for everyone.
CurvyWinona
03-22-2014, 07:50 AM
And you can enable your block session by go to your price changes section and it should be there.
tropo
03-22-2014, 07:50 AM
^^and if we didn't read about it here we'd never know.
tropo
03-22-2014, 07:52 AM
And you can enable your block session by go to your price changes section and it should be there.
It doesn't show on my profile page. I posted a snap of my profile page back on this thread - it's not there.
Glamourmilf
03-22-2014, 07:53 AM
Speaking of raising rates, can anyone please give me the steps and requirements to be put into 'Pornstar' category? it seems like a few who are in this category have their rate at $19.99. Thanks much!
tropo
03-22-2014, 08:06 AM
If she is charging too much I can only image what you think of my rate! LOL!
I am $12.99/$14.99 a minute.
Up there in the clouds. Just about fell off my chair lol.
I figured porn stars with reputation can get these rates, but not regular girls.
CurvyWinona
03-22-2014, 08:11 AM
umm no, you can do that if you know how to hustle. Jack up your rate and see what happen.
AliceFun
03-22-2014, 08:13 AM
Are you a porn star Glamourmilf?! If so i never knew ;)
tropo
03-22-2014, 08:23 AM
^^ I've been hustling on cam for over 8 years. I'm doing the best I can. I'm not going to get those rates. I tried jacking them up last week - result - one private per hour and short... switched it back - many privates per hour.
At the end of the day, every girl is worth different rates depending on their desirability, ethnicity etc. I'm envious of the girls who can charge megabucks, but it doesn't work for me. One thing you may not be aware of, on the Asian sites these days most girls are charging $1 per minute and less - down to 50c per minute. They have lowered the value of Asian pussy on cam - sad but true. When I charge 1.99 on an Asian site guys are continually complaining about my price. The only redeeming thing is that I get 50%, so that's equivalent to me charging $3.30 on SM.
8 years ago when I started I could get continuous privates at 1.99 (with many voyeurs at the same time), but nowadays it's hard to get any privates at that price.
Now I don't use HD, so that could have some influence on what I charge, but with my split camming I cannot dedicate enough bandwidth to an encoder.
kortneykay
03-22-2014, 08:25 AM
Speaking of raising rates, can anyone please give me the steps and requirements to be put into 'Pornstar' category? it seems like a few who are in this category have their rate at $19.99. Thanks much!
I think you have to prove your porn star status as well as be listed on a few sites under porn star like freeones and such. I don't think you have to be a porn star to raise it to $19.99. You can email SM for that and if they wish, they'll raise it for you.
kortneykay
03-22-2014, 08:32 AM
At the end of the day, every girl is worth different rates depending on their desirability, ethnicity etc. I don't consider this to be true at all. In camming, you can be whomever you want to be when it comes to desirability. Make up, lighting, and certain clothing will make any girl look like a million bucks.
As far as ethnicity is concerned I definitely don't agree with that. So who would you consider to be the top of the line where ethnicity is concerned? So I suppose since I'm black and fat I should be charging $0.99 per min like my other bbw ebony sisters? Our rates aren't based on the color our skin. You have that choice, and you alone. Trying higher rates for an hour doesn't cut it, especially since you've been charging $2.39 (give or take) for a while. One hour can be great, another can be a disaster. People treat you the way you want to be treated.
I understand you have mouths to feed but I think you give yourself less credit than you deserve. The fact that you can only get away with charging as low as you do is because you most likely lack the confidence and patience to charge higher rates, don't use the encoder, etc NOT because of the color of your skin. You're value shouldn't be based on other girls, nor should it be based on what men think about you or what you should charge. If you don't wish to be "grouped" with other Asians, make your way to the 1st page by doing what you need to do and stop lying to yourself. Your ethnicity, your gender, your size, etc isn't what's holding you back. You are. The rest are just excuses.
AliceFun
03-22-2014, 08:33 AM
Tropo, dont forget you are on an US/ western based cam girl forum sweetie, what u read here regarding ... everything connected to cam work is not applying always to non western girls like us, i am in EE and for me things work different than for our western comrades. Just do what is working for you regarding prices & hustle & remember, working with 3.99/4.99 and way up is the norm for western cam girls.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
03-22-2014, 10:12 AM
Quote Originally Posted by tropo View Post
At the end of the day, every girl is worth different rates depending on their desirability, ethnicity etc.
If I subscribed to this logic I wouldn't make any money.
I don't consider this to be true at all. In camming, you can be whomever you want to be when it comes to desirability. Make up, lighting, and certain clothing will make any girl look like a million bucks.
As far as ethnicity is concerned I definitely don't agree with that. So who would you consider to be the top of the line where ethnicity is concerned? So I suppose since I'm black and fat I should be charging $0.99 per min like my other bbw ebony sisters? Our rates aren't based on the color our skin. You have that choice, and you alone. Trying higher rates for an hour doesn't cut it, especially since you've been charging $2.39 (give or take) for a while. One hour can be great, another can be a disaster. People treat you the way you want to be treated.
I understand you have mouths to feed but I think you give yourself less credit than you deserve. The fact that you can only get away with charging as low as you do is because you most likely lack the confidence and patience to charge higher rates, don't use the encoder, etc NOT because of the color of your skin. You're value shouldn't be based on other girls, nor should it be based on what men think about you or what you should charge. If you don't wish to be "grouped" with other Asians, make your way to the 1st page by doing what you need to do and stop lying to yourself. Your ethnicity, your gender, your size, etc isn't what's holding you back. You are. The rest are just excuses.
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PhatGirlDynomite!!!
03-22-2014, 10:16 AM
@KortneyKay you said that so much better than I could at the moment. Because reading parts of this thread was starting to get under my skin. Everyone has an opinion and can feel defeated at times....BUT DAMN! Sometimes you just have to ask yourself the hard questions just like you did. BRAVO
Also I just wanted to add that its not always where you come from that determines your placement and treatment. There are tons of amazing camgirls who are making more money than doctors in their native countries. I just went to Albania and Croatia and met up with a few of them. They split split cam between a few major sites at around $2.99 usd here and then maybe 1.99 on another site. Even more in some cases, because the American dollar goes a long way. And then they tease the hell out of men. That's their hustle. They don't concern themselves with what everyone else is doing. They think about their bottom line and get to work. This is a true story. These young ladies are living like royalty. And another thing just like processing companies SM has to make decisions based on the level of risk per location. That is the way it is. Some merchant providers won't even let you do business with certain locations.
anonymous camgirl
03-22-2014, 10:21 AM
Yea they told me that I needed to be listed on Freeones.. so that's about the only qualification to be in the Porn star category...lol
I think you have to prove your porn star status as well as be listed on a few sites under porn star like freeones and such. I don't think you have to be a porn star to raise it to $19.99. You can email SM for that and if they wish, they'll raise it for you.
kortneykay
03-22-2014, 10:47 AM
@KortneyKay you said that so much better than I could at the moment. Because reading parts of this thread was starting to get under my skin. Everyone has an opinion and can feel defeated at times....BUT DAMN! Sometimes you just have to ask yourself the hard questions just like you did. BRAVO
Thank you, PGD. I'm honored and I love Marlon Brando! I'll be dammed if someone tells me or anyone else that their earning potential lies only on their ethnicity and desirability. If you want desirability, be "thatbitch" because desirability can be bought honey. Titties, ass, lipo and make up can be bought. Makeup costs $0.99 a the dollar store.
http://bp.uuuploads.com/before-and-after-makeup-photos-vadim-andreev/before-and-after-makeup-photos-vadim-andreev-5.jpg
anonymous camgirl
03-22-2014, 11:05 AM
Yea I agree totally!... I dont think i am worthy of 5.99/6.99.. but i don't give a crap!...lol.. they pay cuz i say so!... Why can't you be the hottest asian bitch there is and prove it to them guys!.. you have to ASK MEN FOR MONEY!.. YOU HAVE TO.. they never want to give willingly.. very rarely!.. Demand that you are worth it.. You know what i find also?? Men are intrigued that you charge alot.. they think they are getting something really special.. Let's take Godiva Chocolates for instance.. have you ever looked at the ingredients?? the ingredients are shit .. unworthy of how much they cost... They get away with charging alot because of MARKETING.. MARKETING makes all the difference.
I don't consider this to be true at all. In camming, you can be whomever you want to be when it comes to desirability. Make up, lighting, and certain clothing will make any girl look like a million bucks.
As far as ethnicity is concerned I definitely don't agree with that. So who would you consider to be the top of the line where ethnicity is concerned? So I suppose since I'm black and fat I should be charging $0.99 per min like my other bbw ebony sisters? Our rates aren't based on the color our skin. You have that choice, and you alone. Trying higher rates for an hour doesn't cut it, especially since you've been charging $2.39 (give or take) for a while. One hour can be great, another can be a disaster. People treat you the way you want to be treated.
I understand you have mouths to feed but I think you give yourself less credit than you deserve. The fact that you can only get away with charging as low as you do is because you most likely lack the confidence and patience to charge higher rates, don't use the encoder, etc NOT because of the color of your skin. You're value shouldn't be based on other girls, nor should it be based on what men think about you or what you should charge. If you don't wish to be "grouped" with other Asians, make your way to the 1st page by doing what you need to do and stop lying to yourself. Your ethnicity, your gender, your size, etc isn't what's holding you back. You are. The rest are just excuses.
Charlotteslut
03-22-2014, 11:15 AM
I look at it like this. Fewer men are willing to pay me 6 or 7$ a minute for a show. These are just the facts. But those few men who are make up for the 20 guys who didn't. Because I have a high rate now, if I only have 15 mins of paid chat I still have a decent hourly. Honestly I find it's less "slow" now, but it's really just that when I don't get as many shows I still make decent money because my rates are high.
Tropo, I get what you are saying but I think the opposite is true. A porn star or superstar camgirl could probably get 20 guys in prvt chat at once, so she doesn't need to charge 9$/min for each one to make huge money per hour. But I rarely get more than one or two guys in pvt at a time, so I have to make each one count.
Although I will say that when I read about high rates, these models are always on SM. I haven't heard much about high rates on Imlive, LJ, cams, MFC etc. Perhaps the culture/traffic of SM just facilitates higher prices.
Incantatious
03-22-2014, 11:18 AM
I set my exclusive at $19.99. I had one guy say "sorry to ask this, but why is your exclusive price so insanely high? I mean, you're hot and all, but I can't justify that. That's like nearly a tenner a minute".
Emphasis on "justify that" ~ Why should I need to? I want that price, and everyone has their price for what they will do. If I'm performing one-on-one role play, fetish, double penetration, full attention, etc, whatever else, for one person, that - $19.99 - is my price. That's what it costs for me to do that on cam. That's what it costs for someone to buy that from me.
Sometimes I'd love to approach one of these guys and ask them what their price is, tell them: Hello random person. I want you to lay on your back, shove a butt plug into your anus, jerk yourself off whilst simultaneously screwing yourself with the plug, also whilst keeping your sight focused on the screen at all times so you can respond to all of my written directions and also what I do over cam2cam, act the part of my given role play, and look sexy whilst craning your neck to see the screen at all times - even if I ask for all of the above, doggy style. Give me your best slut face.
If no one will buy my exclusive, no one will by my exclusive. I'm not going to change it. <3
justanothercamgirl
03-22-2014, 11:37 AM
Tropo, dont forget you are on an US/ western based cam girl forum sweetie, what u read here regarding ... everything connected to cam work is not applying always to non western girls like us, i am in EE and for me things work different than for our western comrades. Just do what is working for you regarding prices & hustle & remember, working with 3.99/4.99 and way up is the norm for western cam girls.
Thanks for the reminder AliceFun!
I do embarrassingly forget about my Western camgirl entitlement a lot. I am very glad I have you to keep it in check.
You are awesome!
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justanothercamgirl
03-22-2014, 11:41 AM
Up there in the clouds. Just about fell off my chair lol.
I figured porn stars with reputation can get these rates, but not regular girls.
I have a rarer niche so that is why I get away with those rates. I am definitely the exception and not the norm when it comes to camming for sure! I would never recommend those rates to anyone unless you are willing to sit around in free chat fishing for whales. LOL!
AliceFun
03-22-2014, 11:41 AM
Although I will say that when I read about high rates, these models are always on SM. I haven't heard much about high rates on Imlive, LJ, cams, MFC etc. Perhaps the culture/traffic of SM just facilitates higher prices.
Yes, SM is the site with highest number of porn stars & western cammodels, also SM has no chargebacks & never had which is a fearless environment for girls to work in, people know that the money they make they'll actually get, it's the site culture & design, on the 1st page u find all top models charging high then some studio girls with rigged placement, also independent girls with high prices & then on page two are girls with high to medium fees, independent, studios, etc and things change when u go further on next pages, fees are getting lower & lower.
AliceFun
03-22-2014, 11:47 AM
I have a rarer niche so that is why I get away with those rates. I am definitely the exception and not the norm when it comes to camming for sure! I would never recommend those rates to anyone unless you are willing to sit around in free chat fishing for whales. LOL!
Rarer niche JAC? Other than ur amazing tits? I am curious haha, love u too by the way!! xxx
ETA: I just love big tits, i find big natural tits soo hot, i get turned on by them on a hot woman & i consider big tits to be the best selling point for cam girls, if u got tits u got everything i believe :) (says a woman wish smallish tits haha).
I admire u hot tits holders xxx
kortneykay
03-22-2014, 11:52 AM
I personally don't want a guy to take me exl/pvt because my prices are low. Price shoppers can stay in the clearance pussy section. I want him to be so enthralled with my make up that he thinks my artificial looks are the epitome of beauty and instead of letting his brain choose, his dick chooses instead.
justanothercamgirl
03-22-2014, 12:13 PM
My 2 cents, YMMV:
After reading many of AliceFun's insightful post in the past it has give me some understand that 'Western' camgirls can be a bit blind to certain things that give us a leg up with camming that we take for granted. The ability to speak perfect English, understand culture jokes and context, ect, ect.......
I personally don't believe that it is all about charging the highest rate possible, no matter what country to happen to live in.
To me, what it is all truly about is never getting 'comfortable' with the rates you are charging. You need to watch what your per minute rate is doing as if it was a stock on the stock market. Grab a spreadsheet, figure out what is the best rate for you and when. If traffic is heavier for you on one day then other then there is nothing wrong with changing it to see if you can get more money on that day. Rates don't have to be static.
Pretend that you are a 'per minute rate' scientist and try all sorts of different things with you rate. Especially the things that you are 100% percent sure won't work. Those are the things that can really surprise you by making you the money. Try seeing if you make more on the days that you wear a red dress instead of a black one.
Take notes until you hand cramps about your hustling styles and the types of custies you attract and the best ways make the most money from them.
You also need to understand your own personal hustling style. If you hate free chat then their is nothing wrong with charging less in order to stay in privates more. If you just want to go fishing for whales then charge more. Try working token based sites so you are able to learn about the difference between 'a per minute hustle' and a 'token hustle' (because holy shit is there ever a difference.) The best way to learn about hustling 'styles' is to try out a whole bunch of them as if they were throw-away stereotype Halloween costumes.
Camming can be such a soul crushing job with the freeloaders and scammers. I find that it helpful if you just concentrate on being best camgirl that YOU can be. If you focus on other camgirls and how much money they make compared to what you make you are going to just end up depressed and burned out.
If you can look a camming through a 'Gorillas in the Mist' sort of lens where the custies are just some exotic and strange tribe of separate mammals with their own unique quirks and customs then it makes it easier to laugh at it all at the end of the day. :)
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Marina Starr
03-22-2014, 12:14 PM
You better preach and let me cosign. I hope your credit is good. You just took me to church. This is some gospel shit right here! I am all for the artificial looks!
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/844876_zps1c42bee0.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/844876_zps1c42bee0.gif.html)
I want him to be so enthralled with my make up that he thinks my artificial looks are the epitome of beauty and instead of letting his brain choose, his dick chooses instead.
justanothercamgirl
03-22-2014, 12:20 PM
Rarer niche JAC? Other than ur amazing tits? I am curious haha, love u too by the way!! xxx
ETA: I just love big tits, i find big natural tits soo hot, i get turned on by them on a hot woman & i consider big tits to be the best selling point for cam girls, if u got tits u got everything i believe :) (says a woman wish smallish tits haha).
I admire u hot tits holders xxx
Hee hee, it IS those big tits.
I am a 26 G. Pretty much nothing but breasts and ribcage. LOL!
It is something that most guys don't end up seeing that often in day-to-day life.
Marina Starr
03-22-2014, 12:21 PM
This! YOU define you and what your worth is. I love being Asian, I love being a Transsexual, I love my size. LOVES EVERYTHING!
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Your ethnicity, your gender, your size, etc isn't what's holding you back. You are. The rest are just excuses.
Charlotteslut
03-22-2014, 12:49 PM
Personal responsibility is important. But I think there's a lot of privilege denying that goes on in camming as well that people rarely talk about. Earnings are not always reflective of how hard you are trying/working, sadly.
Ok, I'm done thread jacking now :)
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
03-22-2014, 01:24 PM
I recently had someone come into my SM chat room and declare "Dont you think $4.99 is a bit much for a colored girl?" Apparently this person goes around and says this to all the "Colored girls" At the time that was the price of my premium. And my exclusive was lower $3.99 Homie doesnt spend money on the site instead he tries to shake us up and get inside of our heads. I am well aware of privilege and the entitlement that exist all over the place. I lived in a rural Caribbean town until I was 10. And I notice the looks on peoples faces when they meet my parents who both have thick accents. I understand. I am aware of the general consensus that exist when it comes to my worth as seen through the eyes of other people. I get it. I sometimes make more money pretending to be a white college coed on the phone than I do being myself on cam. SOMEDAYS. And it can be mystifying and sometimes frustrating until I shake it off and get back to work.
Just now on SM another guy comes into my room and goes "Are you ready to be my nigger in exclusive?". I kept smiling and worked the other person in my room who then took me exclusive and tipped me. The struggle is real for many of us. You don't have to be from a specific parts of the world to be overlooked and or mistreated. But with that said...It is up to me to SURVIVE AND LIVE how I choose to. And my rates are not the same everywhere I perform. I get why some girls in other nations charge a lower rate than their western counterparts. Hopefully it converts to a larger amount where ever they are. This is why I love my Euro sites. Thankfully I have befriended some very smart and savy Euro girls who know how to work these sites and have given me tips on how to up my game. Imagine that?
anonymous camgirl
03-22-2014, 02:00 PM
About chargebacks?? i have only noticed maybe 10% worth of chargebacks overall.. and i have worked tons of sites over the years.. so i try not to get to upset about cb's cuz the money is way more worth the chargebacks.
Yes, SM is the site with highest number of porn stars & western cammodels, also SM has no chargebacks & never had which is a fearless environment for girls to work in, people know that the money they make they'll actually get, it's the site culture & design, on the 1st page u find all top models charging high then some studio girls with rigged placement, also independent girls with high prices & then on page two are girls with high to medium fees, independent, studios, etc and things change when u go further on next pages, fees are getting lower & lower.
AliceFun
03-22-2014, 07:45 PM
I am soo happy to read ur post JAC, thank you for that, u are one of the open minded girls who understands & are willing to take into consideration another cam girl perspective, translated from real world us, non western cam girls are 'immigrants' on ur US/ western based sites, immigrants are always paid less & treated different, they know a basic language & are able to do that much when working for their employees.
Sure, it would be ideal to ask for high prices and GET THEM from western members but it's not always happening, maybe an extremely young beautiful girl with gorgeous body & face could get away charging high cause she is making the guys soo horny with her looks and they forget about the money & simply pay but for average looking cam girls is not that easy.
Well, we work on ur sites guys, i know i am happy to have this option, the $$$ i make on ur western sites are worth here a lot more than they worth in ur western countries so i think it evens the price difference. I charge less but for me it means good, if i think better the money i make online equals the salary of a doctor, teacher or lawyer in my country.
I advice non western girls to think about what these money means in their countries actually, if they happy with the money they make they should feel good about it and dont compare themselves to how much western girls can make (i learned this myself the hard way, took a good while to understand how things really work).
I mean sure, everyone is free to want & go for earning as much as possible, like u girls say 'Sky is the limit' but in case u find urself not having success with higher prices just lower them to the point where u have success, that's the whole point, ask for the price members are willing to pay YOU not what they pay others. Good luck everyone!
AliceFun
03-22-2014, 08:37 PM
About chargebacks?? i have only noticed maybe 10% worth of chargebacks overall.. and i have worked tons of sites over the years.. so i try not to get to upset about cb's cuz the money is way more worth the chargebacks.
I am glad ur looses were not too high in chargebacks, i can only talk about myself & some people i know & are friends with, i lost almost a quarter of the money i made on Ifriends & ImLive sites when i was working that sites years ago (i got back on IML after they changed CB's policy, same with IFR after they introduced the guaranteed payment some years ago, on & off on these sites lately).
I can tell for sure these sites hit me & my cam girl friends badly with CB's while other models had no serious issues, i know they used to play dirty games with certain nationals money. Now if i go online on IFR with GPO enabled i get no traffic, they protect themselves now & screen the 'bad' members right away & kick them out of my paid show, if i sign in without the guaranteed payment option they let members stay in my room, i make the show & then they refund the money later on if the guy happens to be a 'bad' guy (bad credit card).
Either way there are no money to be made for me, i refuse to work & not get paid for my shows. IML did the same for years, they still do to a certain extent, just reading their forums gives u a clue, it's still happening. That's why i say SM is one site where people are getting paid for the shows they do.... unless they screw up & cut the gold show session on the last second or in between, in this case the performer is loosing all money.
AliceFun
03-22-2014, 11:44 PM
Hee hee, it IS those big tits.
I am a 26 G. Pretty much nothing but breasts and ribcage. LOL!
It is something that most guys don't end up seeing that often in day-to-day life.
Yes, i always knew ur assets/ figure is making u money, i can see why people pay high to see ur huge tits on ur slim body frame, GO ON CHARGING that money BABE, get them out of members pockets tee hee!!
Regarding pricing, i wish to say that often models forget what makes them money, they maybe dont even realize themselves how much their assets is helping with the success on cam, i talk about psychical assets like a gorgeous face, a great looking body (either slim & fit, Curvy or BBW), a nice pair of tits, a sexy hot ass, some other unique asset or look, some specific roleplays, etc etc, many performers bank on exactly that feature or more features which is all great.
But then they tell others they can bank too or charge high without actually knowing where that person is coming from, how she looks like, what her personality is, how good she masters the main site spoken language, what features she has enabled on her profile, on which site(s) she works, what equipment she has & so on.
I wish people would pay more attention to these details when giving advice or at least to ask specific questions in order to understand things & give proper advice that is helping the model.
Saying "If i can do it you can do it too" is pretty unrealistic, better say "Work with what u have and do as much as u can given the circumstances", this would be a realistic approach in my opinion.
Hugs xxx
euaici
03-23-2014, 05:36 AM
well, i think there should be a middle ground
yes, it's always easier to make the money when you look gorgeous, are from the right place and so on
and yes, if somebody does it, not everybody will - it's that 0/20 thingie I suppose
but
there are ways to improve on what you do have
like i know a girl who was working for the local Sm studio, earning about 1000$ per week her cut. That is good for local standards, very good actually. But she wasn't making anything on privates, because she didn't speak much English. My idea would have been that, since she was making the money, she could have invested let's say 50$ a week on English lessons. Then she could have made even more. But, ofcourse, that's just my idea.
it also has a lot to do with building trust in oneself, as many of the girls here say. that too can be learned, and I know it can because I used to be uber-shy. Yes, it's a lot of work, probably much more than learning 2 foreign languages actually, but it does help.
it also pays looking outside the box - many times there are things we just can't control - of course if you were born in EE or in Asia or such, you can't change it. Nobody will mistake a "fat black woman" as kortney says, for a blonde babe, but we don't have to belittle ourselves either. We can find things we are very good at, and make our hustle better with them.
yeah, we probably won't all charge 19.99, unfortunately, but i really have an issue with the fact that i've been made by that studio i've worked on to stay at 1.99 for 6 months on SM...getting about 20% of that, when I see now I can get people loving my show at 3.99 and 5.99. And now i'm actually a bit older and got some more fat on...
what I want to say is, everybody should experiment. Yeah, don't raise your rates from 1.99 to 10.99 and expect everybody to be happy about it. and probably it wouldn't pay to experiment when everybody is complaining about technical issues on the site. But try what you are comfortable with, and also try to offer a better show - better language, new look, new types of shows and so on. I know this is how I found this persona I'm using now,and it attracts customers.
kortneykay
03-23-2014, 07:06 AM
Nobody will mistake a "fat black woman" as kortney says, for a blonde babe, but we don't have to belittle ourselves either.
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't speaking on fat and black versus blonde babes. I consider myself to be a fat black brunette babe. I was asking Tropico what ethnicity she considered to be more desirable than everyone else because me being fat and black hasn't stopped me from making top dollars in camming and her being Asian shouldn't either. Just yesterday I made $300 in one hour so ethnicity has nothing to do with it and desirability is subjective and can be faked.
amanda121
03-23-2014, 07:55 AM
Yes, i always knew ur assets/ figure is making u money, i can see why people pay high to see ur huge tits on ur slim body frame, GO ON CHARGING that money BABE, get them out of members pockets tee hee!!
Regarding pricing, i wish to say that often models forget what makes them money, they maybe dont even realize themselves how much their assets is helping with the success on cam, i talk about psychical assets like a gorgeous face, a great looking body (either slim & fit, Curvy or BBW), a nice pair of tits, a sexy hot ass, some other unique asset or look, some specific roleplays, etc etc, many performers bank on exactly that feature or more features which is all great.
But then they tell others they can bank too or charge high without actually knowing where that person is coming from, how she looks like, what her personality is, how good she masters the main site spoken language, what features she has enabled on her profile, on which site(s) she works, what equipment she has & so on.
I wish people would pay more attention to these details when giving advice or at least to ask specific questions in order to understand things & give proper advice that is helping the model.
Saying "If i can do it you can do it too" is pretty unrealistic, better say "Work with what u have and do as much as u can given the circumstances", this would be a realistic approach in my opinion.
Hugs xxx
I agree with this. I often read here "I'm a bbw and I bank, so everybody can, specially slim girls." Because being "curvy" or "bbw" doesn't mean everybody in this niche looks similarly attractive. You can be bbw and have huge tits/ass, and very sexy womanly figure with proportionally smaller waist, wide hips, etc., or you can have mostly stomach fat at same BMI, and small tits/ass. It's the same with slim girls. They can be slim with hourglass figure or not. And if they have small tits/ass etc., but they have baby face, this attracts a lot of customers who look for "teens, naughty little girls", and so on. But if they look older/more mature face with similar figure it is not so good. Just an example.
The same goes with face. Not everybody can apply heavy makeup and baaam, hot face. Some people look awful with more make-up on. I always use discreet make-up: powder, transparent/rose lipgloss, mascara, and lighter eyeshadow when on cam, but darker make-up is a no-no for me. I look like a monster with dark eyeliner or eyeshadow, or red/dark lipstick. What I use mainly only hides my skin imperfections, but doesn't change my face like on these before/after make-up pictures.
At the end you have to work with what you have. And with what you are comfortable to offer. I see some models offer anal with big toys, dp, deepthroat, tons of fetishes...It is understandable they charge 8$+/min it that case, I would say. These things are hard to do and mostly also need time to learn how to do them. I think everybody must find a price that makes them the most money, experiment with prices...If you get a lot of pvts one day, you can set your prices higher, and if it is slow, you can lower them. If you need money, you have to make it somehow.
Marina Starr
03-23-2014, 08:09 AM
Does anyone know when college basketball/football or whatever the fuck it is will be over?
I want to castrate every coach, every player and feed their balls to monkeys!
tropo
03-23-2014, 08:17 AM
Quote Originally Posted by tropo View Post
At the end of the day, every girl is worth different rates depending on their desirability, ethnicity etc.
If I subscribed to this logic I wouldn't make any money.
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Well I prescribe to this theory and I do make money. How much money I'm making compared to other girls is undetermined, but from what I've been reading on this forum in various threads I'm doing ok. It's not a disaster by any means. Of course everyone wants to do better, but I'm doing better by spreading myself over many sites rather than sitting on one hoping for big spenders.
tropo
03-23-2014, 08:29 AM
Tropo, dont forget you are on an US/ western based cam girl forum sweetie, what u read here regarding ... everything connected to cam work is not applying always to non western girls like us, i am in EE and for me things work different than for our western comrades. Just do what is working for you regarding prices & hustle & remember, working with 3.99/4.99 and way up is the norm for western cam girls.
I am well aware of this, that's why I spent some time explaining what it's like working on Asian cam sites. They are cheap. As I said in a post back a bit, I actually charge double what most girls charge on these sites. Sure, that's double of a small per minute charge, but it is still twice as much. I do get 50% though, and I never have chargebacks and they look after me and treat me like a member of the family... .having worked on this site for over 8 years. It's just because of a downward trend of business I've had to expand my operations by looking elsewhere - that's why I'm here.
tropo
03-23-2014, 08:34 AM
Rarer niche JAC? Other than ur amazing tits? I am curious haha, love u too by the way!! xxx
ETA: I just love big tits, i find big natural tits soo hot, i get turned on by them on a hot woman & i consider big tits to be the best selling point for cam girls, if u got tits u got everything i believe :) (says a woman wish smallish tits haha).
I admire u hot tits holders xxx
Well there you go. I can't charge high rates because I'm 32A LOL...
Luckily I don't believe you, or I'd be very depressed. You'd be surprised how many guys like perky, small tits.
tropo
03-23-2014, 08:37 AM
I personally don't want a guy to take me exl/pvt because my prices are low. Price shoppers can stay in the clearance pussy section. I want him to be so enthralled with my make up that he thinks my artificial looks are the epitome of beauty and instead of letting his brain choose, his dick chooses instead.
I'd be quite happy to stand by and take your price shopping rejects off your hands lol. I don't mind bottom feeders - it all adds up.
tropo
03-23-2014, 09:00 AM
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't speaking on fat and black versus blonde babes. I consider myself to be a fat black brunette babe. I was asking Tropico what ethnicity she considered to be more desirable than everyone else because me being fat and black hasn't stopped me from making top dollars in camming and her being Asian shouldn't either. Just yesterday I made $300 in one hour so ethnicity has nothing to do with it and desirability is subjective and can be faked.
I think there's one thing you fail to consider. I don't think there's a black women's site anywhere where all the models charge $1 per minute or less. There are many Asian sites where all the models charge $1 or less and many of these models are very sexy and pretty. Guys can find many very beautiful Asian models all over the Internet for very cheap prices.
Even sites like SM have an Asian room where most of the girls are charging 1.99. (the girls only get 30% of that).
All guys who are interested in Asian models gravitate to these cheap sites. The price of an Asian cam model has been set and it's very difficult to rise above this. 100's of thousands of Asian cam girls have been showing their wares on the Internet for 1.99 or less for over a decade. Asian girls don't vary a lot in proportions. They're all quite similar, so that if one girl (like myself for example) wants to charge more (and I do), it's a tough road. I know this because I do charge more than most Asian models and I cop flak from this so many times per day that I can't count.
@ KourtneyKay - She said Clearance pussy section!!!! Bwuahahahahahah Love it!!!!
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
03-23-2014, 09:52 AM
Not everyone is gonna become a 2 percenter (http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/whos-biggest-barrier-income-inequality-2-percent-f2D11708457) in their chosen field. Its not realistic. Not everyone can be at the top. If they could it would be an indefinite line across the equator. Scrolling pages of excellent performances, but even then someone has to come first. Then second, and third so on and on. Beauty is subjective. Whats banking is subjective. If someone steps into the ring claiming to make x amount of money and this bothers you, or you have to contest this... then you are the issue. NOT THEM. If someone says work with what you got and your thought process is "Well you don't understand where I'm coming from" That is on you. I never brag about how much money I make because it varies from day to day. Also it just makes me uncomfortable to say because I know that it can be viewed as bragging and a bit tacky. But I try to offer up encouragement and spread positive vibes when I share my input. I think what is annoying me are those who have given in to beauty standards that don't even apply to them. Or are giving in, giving up and placing themselves at the bottom by default. And then the next moment saying "Im not making any money. I guess Im not that great." Think back to the things you write and their lies your answer as to why you aren't making the money that you think you should. Many of us are super confident and successful. (Subjective of course) We are just merely responding to the info that you shared. On a side not Maybe you are working the wrong site? Maybe you should take the site you are on with a grain of salt and do something else in the meantime? Those are my thoughts. Someone mentioned that people rarely talk about the hard issues when it comes to beauty standards and making money. I think we do talk about it. Just some are not listening and would rather be stuck and deprived than figure it out. That is because that is who they are as a person. It has nothing to do with the confident people who offer support all day long. I am not offended necessarily and I'm almost certain that these recent comments are not directed at me. I come from the dirt and get peeved when I read some of this stuff. Not everyone who isn't of mainstream beauty standards are struggling or feel that they can not excel. But I suppose confidence can not be taught on an internet forum.
Just wanted to add I am not speaking of just being a cammer, but life. I do not want to be a career camgirl. I just try to do MY BEST no matter what the task is. And my best is determined upon my own scale and you will never catch me saying things like "I guess I am not in season" Because my mind I always am and it works and then I consistently meet my goals.
tropo
03-23-2014, 10:05 AM
^^ I don't know if you're directing this at me or not, but it feels like you are, so, just for the record, I don't have confidence issues at all - never have had. Knowing your place and your worth does not mean you're lacking confidence - it's being realistic. Overconfidence is probably the worse of the 2 evils though.
This is a business for me and has paid the bills for a long time. I don't make my decisions on charging based on how confident I'm feeling. I make the decisions by how busy the room is and what I'm making.
Now I really like hearing from the high achievers about how much they make and charge, but please, enough of this "I'm selling myself short" rhetoric. I'm doing ok. As you said, in any business there's the "2 percenters" as you called them. That's life. We're not all superstars, but saying that doesn't mean I'm lacking confidence.
kortneykay
03-23-2014, 10:06 AM
I'd be quite happy to stand by and take your price shopping rejects off your hands lol. I don't mind bottom feeders - it all adds up.
You most likely do since you charge what you charge. Guys who see my prices and balk generally go to a girl who is cheaper. However, they most likely go to ebony models with my assets who happen to be cheaper which is fine with me. I only pertain to a target market, and you do as well so it all works. There's plenty of money to go around.
tropo
03-23-2014, 10:08 AM
^^ I don't know if you're directing this at me or not, but it feels like you are, so, just for the record, I don't have confidence issues at all - never have had. Knowing your place and your worth does not mean you're lacking confidence - it's being realistic. Overconfidence is probably the worse of the 2 evils though.
This is a business for me and has paid the bills for a long time. I don't make my decisions on charging based on how confident I'm feeling. I make the decisions by how busy the room is and what I'm making.
I've always thought of my room being like a shop. Sometime you can have lots of customers, other times not. You can't always hustle yourself a good night. That's being unrealistic.
Now I really like hearing from the high achievers about how much they make and charge, but please, enough of this "I'm selling myself short" rhetoric. I'm doing ok. As you said, in any business there's the "2 percenters" as you called them. That's life. We're not all superstars, but saying that doesn't mean I'm lacking confidence.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
03-23-2014, 10:08 AM
@Tropo it's not all about you hun. As a matter of fact I really don't know who you are. So no my post was not about you.
tropo
03-23-2014, 10:09 AM
You most likely do since you charge what you charge. Guys who see my prices and balk generally go to a girl who is cheaper. However, they most likely go to ebony models with my assets who happen to be cheaper which is fine with me. I only pertain to a target market, and you do as well so it all works. There's plenty of money to go around.
Yes, my market is for guys who like Asians. I know this market quite well after working it for 8 years. Incidentally lots of my customers are black guys. I was always surprised they liked 40kg Asian models.