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TheBrownFox
04-02-2014, 10:48 PM
HOLY Cock, after almost three years working on SM, I can finally deep throat an 8" long, 3" thick dildo and not gagged.

I am jealous! I love watching porn, and in the scenes where the women are deepthroating the guys I can't help but think "Damn, I wanna be able to do that!" I know I've got skills in the BJ department, so if I could be able to deepthroat...OMG, that'd be even more amazing.

SamanthaSugar
04-03-2014, 06:27 AM
So I enabled GeoBlock for the first time, I blocked ONE city in Southern CA, no big deal I thought. Well.... yesterday when I worked I had an average of 8 guys in my room and many times as little as 2. I've been working on SM for 3 years and I'm always on the first page and sit somewhere in the first or second row and I average anywhere between 30-60 guys in my room. Can just from blocking on city have such a negative impact on traffic?
Who knows maybe I had a REALLY bad night but if this slow traffic keeps up today I'm going to have to bite the bullet and disable the block. I just moved out from my bf and thought of him trolling me creeps me out but the thought of making no money creeps me out more!

CurvyWinona
04-03-2014, 06:35 AM
Does anyone have issues with encoder yesterday and today? My bkps have been dropping frequently, to 100s. :( I checked my internet speed and it s 65 up and 12 down. Is it Streamate?

Marina Starr
04-03-2014, 06:41 AM
I DT a dildo so I'm assuming a real cock would be easier?! 7" is my fav, ALMOST too big but just right!
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/tumblr_mv38a1MriA1rz48x6o1_500_zps83bc28f6.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/tumblr_mv38a1MriA1rz48x6o1_500_zps83bc28f6.gif.htm l)

I am jealous! I love watching porn, and in the scenes where the women are deepthroating the guys I can't help but think "Damn, I wanna be able to do that!" I know I've got skills in the BJ department, so if I could be able to deepthroat...OMG, that'd be even more amazing.

RubyRapture
04-03-2014, 10:16 AM
Does anyone have issues with encoder yesterday and today? My bkps have been dropping frequently, to 100s. :( I checked my internet speed and it s 65 up and 12 down. Is it Streamate?

It was so bad today that I just decided that it wouldn't be worth it to stay online. I guess my customers weren't able to take me private today. I would see that red dot flashing before you go into paid chat, but it would never actually take me. After 30 minutes of no privates, it finally dumped me into paid chat and I saw a big list of people who had tried to take me private and then left. >_< I also got kicked off SM and the encoder froze once. This was all in ONE hour! Ugh...

Kaii
04-03-2014, 06:11 PM
stupid question: party chat and classic chat bring in the same traffic? if not, why not always be on party chat so you can set gold when ever you want?

JaneBurgess
04-03-2014, 06:13 PM
Not everyone wants to do a Gold show. I myself don't really like to do them and stay in classic chat instead.



stupid question: party chat and classic chat bring in the same traffic? if not, why not always be on party chat so you can set gold when ever you want?

SoloDesire
04-03-2014, 06:14 PM
You can get gold in classic chat as well, you just can't start a gold show in classic. I prefer classic chat because they can't see one another so I get less trolls.

Marina Starr
04-03-2014, 06:14 PM
Same traffic but the trolls will be cuming out of the woodwork when you're in party. At least that's my experience. There are girls that don't do GS, myself included so why put yourself through that distress?

stupid question: party chat and classic chat bring in the same traffic? if not, why not always be on party chat so you can set gold when ever you want?

Charlotteslut
04-03-2014, 06:15 PM
Party chat the guys can see what everyone in the chat is typing and how many people are in the room. Classic chat, I believe they cannot see what others are typing, or what they see is limited. They cannot tell how many people are in your room. So if you want to talk to yourself, or have the number of people in your room concealed, Classic is better.

pippapippa
04-03-2014, 06:16 PM
stupid question: party chat and classic chat bring in the same traffic? if not, why not always be on party chat so you can set gold when ever you want?

I personally stay in classic because it's just another excuse when people ask for a gold show. Sometimes guys don't listen when I say I'm not doing a gold show, so if they keep asking, I just say I can't even do one in classic chat. Then they shut the fuck up about it.

Charlotteslut
04-03-2014, 06:46 PM
You can get gold in classic chat as well, you just can't start a gold show in classic. I prefer classic chat because they can't see one another so I get less trolls.

Classic chat really is a troll-killer. I've only ever gotten trolls in Party Chat. And especially during a GS countdown, lol.

MissQuirk
04-03-2014, 10:18 PM
Does anyone have issues with encoder yesterday and today? My bkps have been dropping frequently, to 100s. :( I checked my internet speed and it s 65 up and 12 down. Is it Streamate?

thats exactly what i signed on to ask!
it's my first day back after a couple months and after 10 mins my encoder disconnects.
WHYYYYYYYYY

tropo
04-04-2014, 01:17 AM
stupid question: party chat and classic chat bring in the same traffic? if not, why not always be on party chat so you can set gold when ever you want?

In party chat there's always a chance that some disgruntled and/or nasty troll could come in and say things that could put off potential customers in your room. These trolls could even be from other sites, coming to give you a hard time.

I've had this happen on other sites where party chat was the only option. I've lost privates over this. I've even lost good regular customers.

Unless you're doing gold shows I would recommend staying in Classic Chat.

Bambola
04-04-2014, 05:13 AM
Im always in classic chat also,yesterday one guy come to exclusive and he told me i start gold show with the price of 500 golds and he pay me 500 golds....
He told me in gold show there are no limit and he can tip me 500 and after he want i send video in public place.I told him im in classic chat i have to log off and come back in party and he leave.....i think was a lie for sure

~Carmen~
04-04-2014, 05:29 AM
Im always in classic chat also,yesterday one guy come to exclusive and he told me i start gold show with the price of 500 golds and he pay me 500 golds....
He told me in gold show there are no limit and he can tip me 500 and after he want i send video in public place.I told him im in classic chat i have to log off and come back in party and he leave.....i think was a lie for sure

If he wanted to tip $500 gold it would not matter if you were in party chat. Big talkers never tip!

CurvyWinona
04-04-2014, 05:32 AM
IAWTC. Guys who wanna tip $500, they will take you to private or to exclusive, not to share his $500 with other guys. Only very few guys would for the thrill.

Snowy0Star
04-04-2014, 05:59 AM
IAWTC. Guys who wanna tip $500, they will take you to private or to exclusive, not to share his $500 with other guys. Only very few guys would for the thrill.

and the ones who will do it dont talk about it they just do it

Airrrie
04-04-2014, 06:35 AM
All the performers having issues cant all be at fault, that's not possible. Streamate seems to be the one common site many performers only have issues on. Encoder works on multiple sites but for me it only has issues on Streamate. I have a business account for internet so it is fast as hell and my computers are more than what Streamate requires. I never had an issue on there until they started all their upgrades, that's when all these people started mentioning issues.

I wonder if those of us who have our streams on the older servers are the ones paying the price. It seems rather tortuous that I have made more $$$ for streamate in the last month than I have all year and suddenly I'm nowhere to be found on the site, and when I am found, I'm back 3, 4 and even 5 pages. When I contact, "support" with a screenshot of my encoder settings and upload speeds and also let them know I have a perfect 5 star rating, they still send me the same canned response. I'm sure they are aware they are doing it, they are probably advised to keep us in the dark because there is no immediate solution.

It sucks because there is one specific shift I absolutely depend on because I average between $250 to $500 in only X amount of time but this week I logged off at $120. Currently I'm sitting at $300 for the week and here it is Friday. I'm trying to figure out exactly what bills can be paid with that because it certainly doesn't cover my living expenses.

Airrrie
04-04-2014, 06:40 AM
So I enabled GeoBlock for the first time, I blocked ONE city in Southern CA, no big deal I thought. Well.... yesterday when I worked I had an average of 8 guys in my room and many times as little as 2. I've been working on SM for 3 years and I'm always on the first page and sit somewhere in the first or second row and I average anywhere between 30-60 guys in my room. Can just from blocking on city have such a negative impact on traffic?
Who knows maybe I had a REALLY bad night but if this slow traffic keeps up today I'm going to have to bite the bullet and disable the block. I just moved out from my bf and thought of him trolling me creeps me out but the thought of making no money creeps me out more!

I don't believe the difference comes from having geoblock or no geoblock. Once they are logged in, they will find you. Streamate is mucking around with placement and traffic again, be it servers or deliberately redirecting traffic to specific models.

Again, yesterday my regs were being bounced out of my chatroom and found themselves mysteriously logged in to a chatroom of a model they have never seen before.

TheBrownFox
04-04-2014, 06:52 AM
Yeah, I used to do Classic Chat. Sometimes it'd get on my nerves though when I'd be talking to someone, and then other guys would be like "Huh? What are you talking about?" (or "Who are you talking to?"). Lol. I know my #1 reg on SM preferred Party Chat because he liked being able to follow all the conversations.

I agree with you ladies though. Party Chat attracts more trolls, and then you gotta deal with that "Gold show, bb?" crap. Another good thing about Classic Chat is that if someone happens to blurt out something you don't want others hearing, the other guys in the room may not have even seen it. I'm talking like if someone blurts out your real name or something.

tropo
04-04-2014, 07:20 AM
It sucks because there is one specific shift I absolutely depend on because I average between $250 to $500 in only X amount of time but this week I logged off at $120. Currently I'm sitting at $300 for the week and here it is Friday. I'm trying to figure out exactly what bills can be paid with that because it certainly doesn't cover my living expenses.

You've spelled out why it's so important to have back up sites if you rely on this income to pay your bills. Sooner or later your site will go dead, experience technical difficulties or whatever. You need alternatives. If you rely on one site to pay the bills, you're leaving yourself too exposed.

I was in exactly your position a couple of years ago when I got all my income from one site. It's a very stressful position to be in. I never want to go through that again.

Airrrie
04-04-2014, 08:13 AM
You've spelled out why it's so important to have back up sites if you rely on this income to pay your bills. Sooner or later your site will go dead, experience technical difficulties or whatever. You need alternatives. If you rely on one site to pay the bills, you're leaving yourself too exposed.

I was in exactly your position a couple of years ago when I got all my income from one site. It's a very stressful position to be in. I never want to go through that again.

It seems logical but at the expense of being boo'ed out the door I'm going to respond with this,

I absolutely refuse to learn to work with what can't be changed. If I can't afford to hire a midwestern mom to put on the show of her life in a courtroom because her 14 year old son saw a free show, with or without his debit card, to make an example of the site owners and models who feel it's good marketing to fuck a stunt dick without any form of payment in a public free for all setting, and ruin the income potential of this industry, then it's time for me to do one of two things; either put myself into a position where I can sue the crap out of miss-molly-I-care-about-my-money-today-but-not-tomorrow, her site and the site owner, or just completely exit the scene and watch from the sidelines as the webcam community destroys itself.

My goal is to get out of this self defeating industry and move on.

edit I'm surprised some of the bigger players like Vivid or Manwin haven't done it yet and I won't be at all shocked when someone from this very forum logs in to rally for support because she is the example. It's a smart business move and I'm pretty sure it's only a matter of time. I have heard through the grapevine something is already brewing in the UK.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
04-04-2014, 08:26 AM
I don't believe the difference comes from having geoblock or no geoblock. Once they are logged in, they will find you. Streamate is mucking around with placement and traffic again, be it servers or deliberately redirecting traffic to specific models.

Again, yesterday my regs were being bounced out of my chatroom and found themselves mysteriously logged in to a chatroom of a model they have never seen before.

I have never had a guy come back in the room and say he was sent directly from my room to another girls room? Now I have experienced under my customer account clicking on one window and being sent someone else. This I saw with my own eyes and experience. But once I was in the room I was in the room. Many of the rooms never even loaded while I checked the price. So I now think the in and out guys in a second are checking prices and will leave if its too high for them.

SoloDesire
04-04-2014, 08:33 AM
^ I agree completely with this. I've had the same experience of being redirected when I would hover over one model and then go to hover another model, if I click to enter her room sometimes I would be taken to the previous model I was hovering over. Very strange.

Airrrie
04-04-2014, 08:57 AM
^ I agree completely with this. I've had the same experience of being redirected when I would hover over one model and then go to hover another model, if I click to enter her room sometimes I would be taken to the previous model I was hovering over. Very strange.

My guy was in a private chat with me. He got a pop up asking him if he'd like to enter Model X's chat. It was an overlay covering my chat and video, he could still hear me but the pop up was blocking me and the chat. He was not able to minimize the window. The only way for him to remove the pop up window was to either X out or accept. He accepted. The chat room he was redirected to was in a televised gold show countdown. I asked him if he had any windows open and he told me my window was the only window he had open. I asked if he had paid into the gold show before coming to my chat room. He did not. He said he wasn't sure how it happened and suggested a cookie but he didn't know where he would have picked it up because he came directly to me through his bookmark.

Solo, I have had the same thing happen to me while hovering. I just assumed it was because the scripts are so close together that it can cause an overlap.

Glamourmilf
04-04-2014, 08:58 AM
^^ I've mentioned that before also.
The other strange thing I've noticed is that whenever I am sitting in free chat with tons of guys popping in and out, and never buying, I stop my stream, reluctantly lower my rates, start streaming again, and then am taken to back-to-back prvts. and excl.! pisses me off!
Since there is no search on SM for a custie to check which girl offers rates he wants to spend, (I kinda wish they would). I can only guess that SM is sending those cheapies my way., because they are the same screen names from over 2 years ago. Plus, then my repeats come back and go prvt.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
04-04-2014, 12:14 PM
Hey Airrrie, I wonder if this customer of yours came into your room from a white label site? I had forgotten about this but recently I found out I've been featured on a few white labels and the interface looks different for the customers depending on which site they signed up under. I don't know how the popups work on SM though? I've seen it for Chaturbate and it works kinda like your guy described.



My guy was in a private chat with me. He got a pop up asking him if he'd like to enter Model X's chat. It was an overlay covering my chat and video, he could still hear me but the pop up was blocking me and the chat. He was not able to minimize the window. The only way for him to remove the pop up window was to either X out or accept. He accepted. The chat room he was redirected to was in a televised gold show countdown. I asked him if he had any windows open and he told me my window was the only window he had open. I asked if he had paid into the gold show before coming to my chat room. He did not. He said he wasn't sure how it happened and suggested a cookie but he didn't know where he would have picked it up because he came directly to me through his bookmark.

Solo, I have had the same thing happen to me while hovering. I just assumed it was because the scripts are so close together that it can cause an overlap.

laceydelatorre
04-04-2014, 12:23 PM
Could someone explain what makes a good Headline/First Impression? Keywords like brunette, sexy, etc.?

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
04-04-2014, 12:39 PM
Just tell them what you're offering! Wh at you're into. Personally I don't see the point of using words like Brunette, unless you're a Redhead then don't even go there. Most of us are brunettes and they can see the obvious from your pic. What's the main thing you offer and use that in your tagline. IMO "sexy" is over used and pointless. You can do a search for sexy right now at this very moment and 434 pages of search result appear. We're all sexy but what makes us sexy is the selling point. Whatever you think makes you sexy should be apart of your tagline. If you are still confused check out a keyword tool for synonyms that are popular and pertain to your description.



Could someone explain what makes a good Headline/First Impression? Keywords like brunette, sexy, etc.?

laceydelatorre
04-04-2014, 12:52 PM
Just tell them what you're offering! Wh at you're into. Personally I don't see the point of using words like Brunette, unless you're a Redhead then don't even go there. Most of us are brunettes and they can see the obvious from your pic. What's the main thing you offer and use that in your tagline. IMO "sexy" is over used and pointless. You can do a search for sexy right now at this very moment and 434 pages of search result appear. We're all sexy but what makes us sexy is the selling point. Whatever you think makes you sexy should be apart of your tagline. If you are still confused check out a keyword tool for synonyms that are popular and pertain to your description.
Thanks, makes sense.

ETA: Is it a bad idea to make ones premium & exclusive rates the same?

GlamourRouge
04-04-2014, 01:13 PM
Just tell them what you're offering! Wh at you're into. Personally I don't see the point of using words like Brunette, unless you're a Redhead then don't even go there. Most of us are brunettes and they can see the obvious from your pic. What's the main thing you offer and use that in your tagline. IMO "sexy" is over used and pointless. You can do a search for sexy right now at this very moment and 434 pages of search result appear. We're all sexy but what makes us sexy is the selling point. Whatever you think makes you sexy should be apart of your tagline. If you are still confused check out a keyword tool for synonyms that are popular and pertain to your description.

IA, I am extremely keyword heavy and I have new guys who obviously searched for me using keywords come into my room everyday. Its obvious because they type and ask if I offer xxxxxx, something listed in my profile that is very uncommon.

I also think this is important because I suspect streamate directs specific traffic by keyword, into our rooms. For example, one day I will get a million guys asking for giantess. There is no way that is random, because I will get guys asking for the same obscure thing a million times some days. So they are obviously sending traffic into my room because of certain keywords I use.

SarahTime
04-04-2014, 01:30 PM
It seems logical but at the expense of being boo'ed out the door I'm going to respond with this,

I absolutely refuse to learn to work with what can't be changed. If I can't afford to hire a midwestern mom to put on the show of her life in a courtroom because her 14 year old son saw a free show, with or without his debit card, to make an example of the site owners and models who feel it's good marketing to fuck a stunt dick without any form of payment in a public free for all setting, and ruin the income potential of this industry, then it's time for me to do one of two things; either put myself into a position where I can sue the crap out of miss-molly-I-care-about-my-money-today-but-not-tomorrow, her site and the site owner, or just completely exit the scene and watch from the sidelines as the webcam community destroys itself.

My goal is to get out of this self defeating industry and move on.

edit I'm surprised some of the bigger players like Vivid or Manwin haven't done it yet and I won't be at all shocked when someone from this very forum logs in to rally for support because she is the example. It's a smart business move and I'm pretty sure it's only a matter of time. I have heard through the grapevine something is already brewing in the UK.

I must be totally missing something here..... :confused:

Airrrie
04-04-2014, 02:00 PM
Hey Airrrie, I wonder if this customer of yours came into your room from a white label site? I had forgotten about this but recently I found out I've been featured on a few white labels and the interface looks different for the customers depending on which site they signed up under. I don't know how the popups work on SM though? I've seen it for Chaturbate and it works kinda like your guy described.

Do you have georestrictions in place? I have blocked areas so I'm not sure. I can't see his desktop either and we all know what they say and what they are doing are usually two different things! If it happened the way he explained it then something is not fair here.

SexyAleks
04-04-2014, 02:01 PM
I think she (Airrrie) refers to the minors watching free sex shows on the internet, and the real possibility of a legal case against someone who is offering those shows in public chat. Not even against the websites, but against the performers, because they are independent contractors, and the website owners can get away using this argument.

temptingmodel
04-04-2014, 02:07 PM
I must be totally missing something here..... :confused:
The only thing I get is underage?

ok, if my child gets on a porn site.. ITS MY FAULT. I AM THE PARENT.
If my child has a credit card, MY FAULT for not monitoring it.
There are filters to block these sites from minors if parents take the responsibility to block it.

The first thing in a court case is questioning the parents.
1. Do you have filters? 2. Does the minor have computer access alone? 3. Did you authorize your minor child to use his/her credit card co signed by the parent for use on the web?
This lands the parents aiding a child which leaves no argument and Im sure child welfare services would become involved circling around to the MAIN ISSUE.. why is the child unattended?

I AM COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE FOR MY CHILD'S ACTIONS WHEN SHE IS IN MY PRESENCE AND OUTSIDE MY PRESENCE. I would never go to the porn company/INDY looking to sue.

I would head to a therapist and ask if this is normal for the age to be curious OR what the child was watching BDSM? Hard core rapey scenes?
I would ask my child why the interest?

Notice in society ppl want to blame someone for someones actions. People need to look at themselves, responsibility as a parent and control what goes on.

I do not want to hear some parents work and the child is unattended. My dad would take every TV and phone in the house with him to work to prevent us from doing anything, guess what? It worked. Parents need to stop being lazy8)

Edit
Im not promo kids , its the reality
Parents will be questioned before take down of any company
That is why websites offer block filters for adult sites, This is what saves us

Airrrie
04-04-2014, 02:12 PM
I think she (Airrrie) refers to the minors watching free sex shows on the internet, and the real possibility of a legal case against someone who is offering those shows in public chat. Not even against the websites, but against the performers, because they are independent contractors, and the website owners can get away using this argument.

Yes. There have been several mainstream news articles on this, especially coming out of the UK. I also saw sa report on one of the major U.S. channels in regards to facebook ads leading minors to sites with content geared towards adults. I can't remember what the main topic was, it wasn't porn that drew the attention of the media as the main topic but it also mentioned ads designed to recruit for modeling on adult websites being accessible to minors. I wish I could remember what it was. I'll probably think of it as I'm just about to fall asleep in about 5 hours from now. That's how it always seems to happen LOL.

BritishBecky
04-04-2014, 02:13 PM
Thanks, makes sense.

ETA: Is it a bad idea to make ones premium & exclusive rates the same?

I have mine set the same and it works great for me, I much prefer doing 1-2-1 shows rather than stopping every 30 secs to tell guys in group that they can't all have their requests at once.

GlamourRouge
04-04-2014, 02:27 PM
I think she (Airrrie) refers to the minors watching free sex shows on the internet, and the real possibility of a legal case against someone who is offering those shows in public chat. Not even against the websites, but against the performers, because they are independent contractors, and the website owners can get away using this argument.

These are multi-billion-dollar sites. Trust me, they have their ass covered. And they have our asses covered too, because we are broadcasting on their site. They know what they're doing. They have the best legal teams money can buy. We are all safe.

That being said, this is the reality of our world now. There's not much that can be done. I know people always protest when something changes that they don't like, but there's really no point IMO. The way it is set up is the most profitable for them (just like drugs and escorting being illegal = most profitable), and its like that for a reason. I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just say that there's no way it will ever be changed IMO.

GlamourRouge
04-04-2014, 02:29 PM
but it also mentioned ads designed to recruit for modeling on adult websites being accessible to minors.

Bingo. This is done on purpose. 18 years olds sell. So do lot of other things honestly, especially fetish, but those will always sell so that's why they do that kind of thing. That kind of advertising (to minors) is not done on accident lol.

JaneBurgess
04-04-2014, 02:50 PM
That's not true at all. The porn industry is regulated by the government who has strict restrictions. Cam sites allow public nudity shows that anyone can watch without verifying the ages of the viewers. As an indy contractor the site can't do anything if you are arrested or sued for what you do on cam, we aren't their employee. The government can shut down web cam sites if they want because the sites don't do anything to stop viewers from watching free feeds. They should have a page where you agree that you are 18 and over before you enter the site or move the feeds to behind a members area.

It has nothing to do with changes you may not like, it has to do with the law. They dicked with member sites and porn sets. It's just a matter of time before they turn their attention to web cam sites. No way in hell they are just going to ignore them and all performers need to be aware they are held to state and federal laws.



These are multi-billion-dollar sites. Trust me, they have their ass covered. And they have our asses covered too, because we are broadcasting on their site. They know what they're doing. They have the best legal teams money can buy. We are all safe.

That being said, this is the reality of our world now. There's not much that can be done. I know people always protest when something changes that they don't like, but there's really no point IMO. The way it is set up is the most profitable for them (just like drugs and escorting being illegal = most profitable), and its like that for a reason. I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just say that there's no way it will ever be changed IMO.

GlamourRouge
04-04-2014, 02:54 PM
That's not true at all. The porn industry is regulated by the government who has strict restrictions. Cam sites allow public nudity shows that anyone can watch without verifying the ages of the viewers. As an indy contractor the site can't do anything if you are arrested or sued for what you do on cam, we aren't their employee. The government can shut down web cam sites if they want because the sites don't do anything to stop viewers from watching free feeds. They should have a page where you agree that you are 18 and over before you enter the site or move the feeds to behind a members area.

It has nothing to do with changes you may not like, it has to do with the law. They dicked with member sites and porn sets. It's just a matter of time before they turn their attention to web cam sites. No way in hell they are just going to ignore them and all performers need to be aware they are held to state and federal laws.

I am well aware how this works. The MOST that will happen is a sexually explicit disclaimer will pop up (agree 18+, or exit -18 ). But this isn't going to change. There is absolutely NO way for someone to prove they are over 18 when they watch a site. They will never be required to upload their ID, and anyone can upload anyone's ID anyway. They aren't purchasing anything, they are just watching. Even little kids have debit or prepaid card these days that would work anyway to ~*verify*~ over 18. There is no way to stop it. Its the parent's issue.

JaneBurgess
04-04-2014, 02:59 PM
Both are responsible. Parents need to watch their kids and porn sites are supposed to do their best to make sure customers are 18 and over. Allowing nudity in free chat on any web cam site is just asking for a lawsuit. They can either put up a page everyone has to click on stating they are over 18 or put the feeds behind a members area. Porn sites need to be responsible too and they aren't.




The only thing I get is underage?

ok, if my child gets on a porn site.. ITS MY FAULT. I AM THE PARENT.
If my child has a credit card, MY FAULT for not monitoring it.
There are filters to block these sites from minors if parents take the responsibility to block it.

The first thing in a court case is questioning the parents.
1. Do you have filters? 2. Does the minor have computer access alone? 3. Did you authorize your minor child to use his/her credit card co signed by the parent for use on the web?
This lands the parents aiding a child which leaves no argument and Im sure child welfare services would become involved circling around to the MAIN ISSUE.. why is the child unattended?

I AM COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE FOR MY CHILD'S ACTIONS WHEN SHE IS IN MY PRESENCE AND OUTSIDE MY PRESENCE. I would never go to the porn company/INDY looking to sue.

I would head to a therapist and ask if this is normal for the age to be curious OR what the child was watching BDSM? Hard core rapey scenes?
I would ask my child why the interest?

Notice in society ppl want to blame someone for someones actions. People need to look at themselves, responsibility as a parent and control what goes on.

I do not want to hear some parents work and the child is unattended. My dad would take every TV and phone in the house with him to work to prevent us from doing anything, guess what? It worked. Parents need to stop being lazy8)

Edit
Im not promo kids , its the reality
Parents will be questioned before take down of any company
That is why websites offer block filters for adult sites, This is what saves us

GlamourRouge
04-04-2014, 03:00 PM
Both are responsible. Parents need to watch their kids and porn sites are supposed to do their best to make sure customers are 18 and over. Allowing nudity in free chat on any web cam site is just asking for a lawsuit. They can either put up a page everyone has to click on stating they are over 18 or put the feeds behind a members area. Porn sites need to be responsible too and they aren't.

Wouldn't those under 18 just click that they are over 18 and absolutely nothing would change?

JaneBurgess
04-04-2014, 03:06 PM
A disclaimer is better protection from a lawsuit then having nothing. The parents aren't the only responsible ones, the sites don't even attempt to stop minors from watching. They could take a few steps to make the sites harder to access.

If you are aware of what they have done to other adult sites so far then you realize once they come after web cam sites it won't be pretty. I shouldn't be surprised if they ban any nudity from free viewers. Frankly that's how it should be. It's easier to fight if a customer signs up, claims they are 18 and pays for a show. You can prove the fraud and that's what you use in court. Trying to blame only the parents wouldn't go well in court at all.




I am well aware how this works. The MOST that will happen is a sexually explicit disclaimer will pop up (agree 18+, or exit -18 ). But this isn't going to change. There is absolutely NO way for someone to prove they are over 18 when they watch a site. They will never be required to upload their ID, and anyone can upload anyone's ID anyway. They aren't purchasing anything, they are just watching. Even little kids have debit or prepaid card these days that would work anyway to ~*verify*~ over 18. There is no way to stop it. Its the parent's issue.

JaneBurgess
04-04-2014, 03:09 PM
Not if you require an e-mail address to enter the site as well. That would all be stored in a database so if there are issues you can go back and look. You know I support sites, but I don't support they aren't being smart about accessing the sites.



Wouldn't those under 18 just click that they are over 18 and absolutely nothing would change?

GlamourRouge
04-04-2014, 03:12 PM
A disclaimer is better protection from a lawsuit then having nothing. The parents aren't the only responsible ones, the sites don't even attempt to stop minors from watching. They could take a few steps to make the sites harder to access.

If you are aware of what they have done to other adult sites so far then you realize once they come after web cam sites it won't be pretty. I shouldn't be surprised if they ban any nudity from free viewers. Frankly that's how it should be. It's easier to fight if a customer signs up, claims they are 18 and pays for a show. You can prove the fraud and that's what you use in court. Trying to blame only the parents wouldn't go well in court at all.

Okay... banning nudity in free chat still won't do much though and minors will still watch with their parents credit cards on file. And what about tube sites that are already free? I have a cam girl friend who ALWAYS gets little boys who try to cam2cam with her and then tell her they are on their dad's account lol. Creepy but true.

temptingmodel
04-04-2014, 03:33 PM
I agree with you 100% :)
BUT
I firmly believe it is more a parenting responsibility :)

I WILL BE BACK TO ADD WHY AND A EXAMPLE , IM CAMMING LOL ;)

Both are responsible. Parents need to watch their kids and porn sites are supposed to do their best to make sure customers are 18 and over. Allowing nudity in free chat on any web cam site is just asking for a lawsuit. They can either put up a page everyone has to click on stating they are over 18 or put the feeds behind a members area. Porn sites need to be responsible too and they aren't.

Airrrie
04-04-2014, 04:45 PM
Part of what I have been reading addresses the click here if you are 18 entrance and it is not considered adequate. The discussion in part is there is nothing to stop a minor from clicking yes. As the male news anchor stated, if a 15 year old boy see's "you must be 18 to enter this site" and he knows he can click through without proving it, he's going to be all the more driven to get there because he's inexperienced and hormones and curiosity is egging him on. I'll look when I have more time on youtube for the broadcast I was watching. It was one of the major outlets CNN, FOX or NBC but unless I can remember the actual topic it might be tough. Maybe something to the effect of Facebook ads targeting youths.

To answer one of the points being brought up about the parents, we can't be with our kids 100% of the day and monitor their activity 100% of the time. They also grew up in the age of technology where we may believe our safeguards are effective but because they are tech savvy they know their way around the barriers.

I know there are many models who are offended by this topic and that is not my intent. I'm saying this because my password was temporarily disabled shortly after my initial post. I don't know if it was deliberate and then there was a change of heart or if it was a glitch but without these types of (controversial to some) discussions among us how can we communicate effectively about the issues affecting us? My intent is to have an open discussion of our current way of life with others who live my same lifestyle. I readily admit that my interest in the topic is subjective but I am trying to be as objective as possible so please forgive me if my opinion appears strong.

Airrrie
04-04-2014, 04:51 PM
These are multi-billion-dollar sites. Trust me, they have their ass covered. And they have our asses covered too, because we are broadcasting on their site. They know what they're doing. They have the best legal teams money can buy. We are all safe.

That being said, this is the reality of our world now. There's not much that can be done. I know people always protest when something changes that they don't like, but there's really no point IMO. The way it is set up is the most profitable for them (just like drugs and escorting being illegal = most profitable), and its like that for a reason. I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just say that there's no way it will ever be changed IMO.

If you talk to BigDaddy, I forget his name, Shaun maybe? He will advise you otherwise. The legal team at streamate is well aware there are several women on the site who can be prosecuted for a felony. He will also tell you the model agreement is designed around protecting the site and not the model. The model is not an employee. She is not covered by the SM legal team and the SM legal team will not fight for you.