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JaneBurgess
04-04-2014, 04:53 PM
Exactly!!! It protects the site not the cam performers. That also is his name.



If you talk to BigDaddy, I forget his name, Shaun maybe? He will advise you otherwise. The legal team at streamate is well aware there are several women on the site who can be prosecuted for a felony. He will also tell you the model agreement is designed around protecting the site and not the model. The model is not an employee. She is not covered by the SM legal team and the SM legal team will not fight for you.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
04-04-2014, 05:00 PM
No I do not have geo restrictions in place. My response to you was based on you saying your customer had a popup telling him to enter a TV gold show. Then suddenly I thought maybe he had entered through a whitelabel? These sites can vary and I've seen this on other sites, but not SM. And you are correct at times what the customer says vs. what actually happens can be miles apart.



Do you have georestrictions in place? I have blocked areas so I'm not sure. I can't see his desktop either and we all know what they say and what they are doing are usually two different things! If it happened the way he explained it then something is not fair here.

GlamourRouge
04-04-2014, 05:05 PM
If you talk to BigDaddy, I forget his name, Shaun maybe? He will advise you otherwise. The legal team at streamate is well aware there are several women on the site who can be prosecuted for a felony. He will also tell you the model agreement is designed around protecting the site and not the model. The model is not an employee. She is not covered by the SM legal team and the SM legal team will not fight for you.

Shawn yes, I have spoken with him before. Of course their legal team won't fight for you (you aren't paying them and Streamate is), but the simple fact that you are broadcasting on a sex site whether you are nude or not in free chat is irrelevant. Just because you ~*don't get nude*~ in free chat, doesn't mean you are anymore protected than someone who does get nude in free chat. That's like those girls that come on here saying "I'm going to be a preschool teacher, but its okay because I'm a non-nude model :)!" despite the fact that it is STILL, 100% a sex site regardless of what you do or do not do. That was my point. A sex site feed, is still a sex site feed, regardless of what is going on in that feed.

And of course their legal team won't fight for you. We aren't the ones paying for legal advise and having lawyers look over contracts, but that doesn't mean you can't do that on your own. But they know what they're doing, and the contract is written in a way that legality issues have been covered. So unless the laws are physically changed, it should be fine. And even then, Streamate would just have us all e-sign a new e-contract before being able to stream again. Once again, to continually cover asses.

I also think its pointless so sit around and live in fear of what ifs. Its not like I'm doing nude shows in free chat (I'm a dominatrix so that isn't my thing anyway), but at the same time, like I said, a sex site feed is a sex site feed regardless of what is going on, so we're all equally at risk. Parents will be unhappy even if the child is looking at a woman on a sex site feed who is clothed and just chatting.

Charlotteslut
04-04-2014, 07:02 PM
I would think if any site is going to get busted for minors watching it would be MFC. In the legal terms it says you can't be nude and fapping in free chat but the whole draw/appeal of that site is cumshows in free chat lol.

TheBrownFox
04-04-2014, 09:13 PM
I would think if any site is going to get busted for minors watching it would be MFC. In the legal terms it says you can't be nude and fapping in free chat but the whole draw/appeal of that site is cumshows in free chat lol.
And to this day, it still trips me out that they suspended a model just because her husband asked her (from a different room...unseen on cam) "What do you want from McDonald's?" SMH. All this dildo-fucking in public chat, and models camming in public places where you can see unsuspecting people...yet they choose to suspend some poor girl just because her man called out to her from another room? Ass-backwards.....

CurvyWinona
04-05-2014, 04:36 AM
Free chat....

If guys file their cards on account after seeing me and from my profile, will I get earn anything? Or is it a waste of time to try and convert some of them?

AliceFun
04-05-2014, 05:14 AM
You only get money if guys sign up thru ur cammodels link, that u need to promote wherever u feel like (social media), if they ALREADY on streamate (registered as members or just free users) u wont get anything if they sign up after they see you. SM says "dont try to promote ur cammodels link to already existing members or prospects, u'll get in trouble for it' (not the exact working but that's the idea).

CurvyWinona
04-05-2014, 05:15 AM
Ok thank you. :)

Mare
04-05-2014, 05:27 AM
I WISH I'd see the day when models were suspended from sites and then banned for free cumshows in public. Or anything besides tasteful nudity. Then we could all go back to making $$$$$. But as it stands the sites just fine (I.E. steal) $$ from any models caught or ratted out and then their ass is covered by saying we fined her, but we can't stop them all from doing it. I too think MFC would be the first domino if this happens.
I also say this burden falls on the parents too. They can do many things including taking parts or the whole computer. And there are all the free tube sites. But since everything is about $$$$ my guess is they will find a way to go after the models and not the sites who actually have the $$$ and allow the debauchery to continue, because by not stopping it and just fining they are in effect encouraging ladies to break the rules to make good $$$.

tropo
04-05-2014, 06:49 AM
That's not true at all. The porn industry is regulated by the government who has strict restrictions. Cam sites allow public nudity shows that anyone can watch without verifying the ages of the viewers. As an indy contractor the site can't do anything if you are arrested or sued for what you do on cam, we aren't their employee. The government can shut down web cam sites if they want because the sites don't do anything to stop viewers from watching free feeds. They should have a page where you agree that you are 18 and over before you enter the site or move the feeds to behind a members area.

It has nothing to do with changes you may not like, it has to do with the law. They dicked with member sites and porn sets. It's just a matter of time before they turn their attention to web cam sites. No way in hell they are just going to ignore them and all performers need to be aware they are held to state and federal laws.

It will just send more sites offshore as it gets more difficult legally to run cam sites on US soil. As you're predicting, this will probably happen sooner or later.

Don't forget, not all members on this forum live and work in the US. Other than the possible closing down of US cam sites, I don't give a shit about US laws.

tropo
04-05-2014, 06:52 AM
Both are responsible. Parents need to watch their kids and porn sites are supposed to do their best to make sure customers are 18 and over. Allowing nudity in free chat on any web cam site is just asking for a lawsuit. They can either put up a page everyone has to click on stating they are over 18 or put the feeds behind a members area. Porn sites need to be responsible too and they aren't.

MFC has led the way here. It's the bane of private only sites - it has changed the business in a huge way.

Airrrie
04-05-2014, 07:27 AM
It will just send more sites offshore as it gets more difficult legally to run cam sites on US soil. As you're predicting, this will probably happen sooner or later.

Don't forget, not all members on this forum live and work in the US. Other than the possible closing down of US cam sites, I don't give a shit about US laws.

This only safeguards the sites even more than they already are thus making the independent contractors a more logical target for a lawsuit. If you believe you are covered by a site umbrella, or you are protected period and can't be prosecuted or sued individually, on your own soil, you may want to double check the laws to be sure.

tropo
04-05-2014, 07:39 AM
^ No, I don't believe I'm covered by a site umbrella. I'm not that naive. Individually we're of no significance to SM. They offer us virtually zero support, so this is glaringly obvious. It took me a week to get an answer to a very basic question.

If US laws make it impossible for these companies to operate on US soil, they will move elsewhere.

BTW, where is Streamate?

Airrrie
04-05-2014, 08:26 AM
^ No, I don't believe I'm covered by a site umbrella. I'm not that naive. Individually we're of no significance to SM. They offer us virtually zero support, so this is glaringly obvious. It took me a week to get an answer to a very basic question.

If US laws make it impossible for these companies to operate on US soil, they will move elsewhere.

BTW, where is Streamate?

I'm not positive but maybe Germany?

SexyAleks
04-05-2014, 08:45 AM
No. It's registered in Cyprus (for tax reasons obviously), but the company's headquarters are in Washington, I think.

Snowy0Star
04-05-2014, 08:48 AM
its somewhere in the UK near the meridian line on the planet because the servers are going by Greenwich Mean Time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Mean_Time

tropo
04-05-2014, 09:28 AM
^^ it's not uncommon for companies to use European servers even if they are US based. Europe is more central to the whole planet as far as line distance is concerned. Perhaps there's also a legal angle - keeping the servers out of direct US grasp in case of legal trouble.

CurvyWinona
04-05-2014, 10:15 AM
Seattle, I think.

space_cowgirl
04-05-2014, 10:22 AM
SM is located in Seattle, WA.

RubyRapture
04-05-2014, 10:42 AM
Update: It looks like my cam is completely shot. Time for an upgrade, I guess.


Today I started having issues with my webcam disconnecting while on SM with or without the encoder. It happens every few minutes, so I can't work at all. My webcam works with other software. It seems to just be having issues when I use the encoder or stream on SM. I would love for any tips on how to solve this problem. I had a 30 minute block planned today that I now cannot do. :( I've already tried reinstalling both Flash and the encoder and am still having issues.

GlamourRouge
04-05-2014, 10:49 AM
SM is smart. They have a grandparent company in Seattle, that owns the parent company in Cypress, that owns the company Streamate. So they have 3 layers or privacy. There's even 3 different names. Good for them, because their employees don't have to ever mention that they work for Streamate. And in their Seattle HQs they go on exotic vacations each year and even let you bring your dog to work lol.

Kaii
04-05-2014, 04:18 PM
hey guys, do you know if it's possible, by using the encoder, having the mic off in free chat and on in pvt?

Marina Starr
04-05-2014, 04:24 PM
On the Encoder, drag the volume bar all the way to left to mute it. Once in pvt, drag it all the way to right to turn it back on.

hey guys, do you know if it's possible, by using the encoder, having the mic off in free chat and on in pvt?

JuliaX
04-05-2014, 04:26 PM
There is a small bell under the green sound bar, click on it and you are muted.

hey guys, do you know if it's possible, by using the encoder, having the mic off in free chat and on in pvt?

Kaii
04-05-2014, 04:37 PM
Oh, I'll try it! I'll might be stupid, but I was checking on this thing and didn't find how to do it... doh

Snowy0Star
04-05-2014, 04:55 PM
There is a small bell under the green sound bar, click on it and you are muted.

that only works when ur not using the encoder if u use the encoder the only way to control ur mic is thru the slider on the encoder like marina said

JuliaX
04-05-2014, 05:44 PM
Hmmm, it works for me on 3.1. I am going to check it again next time I am online and edit the post if necessary.

that only works when ur not using the encoder if u use the encoder the only way to control ur mic is thru the slider on the encoder like marina said

SoloDesire
04-05-2014, 09:04 PM
Yeah, you can mute the encoder by clicking on the speaker icon at the bottom of the sound meter to the left of your cam picture. It will place a red line through the speaker icon showing it's muted.

JuliaX
04-05-2014, 09:34 PM
Yep, triple checked with 3 guys, it mutes in Windows7 and 3.1 encoder combo.


Yeah, you can mute the encoder by clicking on the speaker icon at the bottom of the sound meter to the left of your cam picture. It will place a red line through the speaker icon showing it's muted.

Marina Starr
04-06-2014, 05:23 AM
I tried to write one of my best regulars back and I got this "Invalid recipient(s) in field: 'To'
You cannot email this user:". Does anyone know what's wrong?!

CurvyWinona
04-06-2014, 05:50 AM
He probably changed his username. I get that a lot.

Renton
04-06-2014, 08:08 AM
uhh, once again I'm having encoder issues... I get like 4-7 fps and 100 kbs or less. I restarted my router, my computer, downloaded the encoder again and still. It's even lagging when I'm not streaming wtf? I checked and it's not my webcam either...

fucking hell. back to clips I go.

SweetJulia
04-06-2014, 08:19 AM
SM is smart. They have a grandparent company in Seattle, that owns the parent company in Cypress, that owns the company Streamate. So they have 3 layers or privacy. There's even 3 different names. Good for them, because their employees don't have to ever mention that they work for Streamate. And in their Seattle HQs they go on exotic vacations each year and even let you bring your dog to work lol.
What about cats? It's discrimination otherwise lol. But seriously, even with all their tech issues, they do seem smart from a business perspective.

CurvyWinona
04-06-2014, 08:24 AM
uhh, once again I'm having encoder issues... I get like 4-7 fps and 100 kbs or less. I restarted my router, my computer, downloaded the encoder again and still. It's even lagging when I'm not streaming wtf? I checked and it's not my webcam either...

fucking hell. back to clips I go.

I had that for a week and now it seems resolved. I have problems with internet but I know it is not affecting encoder issues at all. Hope the issues will resolve soon for you!

lillmizz73
04-06-2014, 01:58 PM
HI Im new to camming and haven't signed up on a website. I was thinking of SM. But I cant find any rules or regulations for performers..that I can read before I sign up. What I want to know is on SM do I have to offer nudity? I was just wanting to offer bikini/lingere sexy dancing....chatting. Is that allowed on sm ? I just want to make a little extra spending money I don't expect much for non nude

brittany_bitch
04-06-2014, 02:06 PM
There are a ton of guys on streamate that will ask for nudity even in free chat which is not allowed. You might get some tips for that in free chat but unless you are offering non nude fetishes or roleplays in private or exclusive then you won't make much.Maybe you can tell them you are non nude and you can click that category in streamate which may get you some hits. Good luck some do okay non nude on sm but it is predominantly a nude site for shows. go to streamate.com and find become a model and then read the faq there it should tell you everything you need to know or the first page of this thread was where I started.

lifetravelergirl
04-06-2014, 03:45 PM
I usually never watch anyone else's gold shows (not ever) but today before gathering up my courage I decided to watch some other girls to see if I could learn how to make money on Streamate. I saw some girl in a trashed out apartment who looked like she put 0 effort into her appearance talk about everything except for her show. And I saw another girl, well I never actually saw her face because her camera was level with her naked pussy and about a foot from it. Just her vag the whole time and she would occasionally play with it. (In free chat). She never did any shows or took anyone private. And what is this I hear about people on the first page doing gold shows for $0 gold? I hate to be a player hater but seriously? What is going on?

TheBrownFox
04-06-2014, 04:06 PM
And I saw another girl, well I never actually saw her face because her camera was level with her naked pussy and about a foot from it. Just her vag the whole time and she would occasionally play with it. (In free chat). She never did any shows or took anyone private. And what is this I hear about people on the first page doing gold shows for $0 gold? I hate to be a player hater but seriously? What is going on?

1) I doubt the model showing the goods in free chat will be able to pull that off very long.

2) Yeah, there's at least one top model who does $0 Gold shows, and she gives away a lot of vids to guys who chip in. Last time I was in her room she was showing off her dick-sucking skills on a dildo (gf got skills, I must say).

temptingmodel
04-06-2014, 08:34 PM
I would think you get trolls with that tag? The free show tag , not the others

sammii
04-07-2014, 01:45 AM
I got the Free Shows tag which I blocked because it's bullshit. I've never given a free show so it was obviously a troll.

I can deepthroat too but I usually only take deepthroat shows if it's slow because the guys that request them are always cheap and request gagging/puking/weird shit/etc.

Marina Starr
04-07-2014, 07:26 AM
Dear SM,
Thank you so much for a wonderful night last night. I had five guys in private at one time. You showed up and showed out.
I was exhausted but in a GOOD way ;D

One love,
Unverified Camgirl
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/tumblr_m7xtguXb321qgy8r3o1_500_zps145f83aa.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/tumblr_m7xtguXb321qgy8r3o1_500_zps145f83aa.gif.htm l)

webcamcutie
04-07-2014, 09:01 AM
Cam distortion - who else has this problem and WHY is it happening and HOW do you fix it? I mean I have a great computer, high speed internet and a 930E cam and its just constantly distorted images and f'ing up my traffic severely and I don't understand why. I ask tech support but I get the same b*llsh*t email all the time and it was kinda working from Wed-Fri and now its back to messing up again and I'm highly irritated, I know other people out there have had this problem too do you know a way to fix it cause SM support is NOT helping.

SophiaSylvan
04-07-2014, 09:05 AM
Cam distortion - who else has this problem and WHY is it happening and HOW do you fix it? I mean I have a great computer, high speed internet and a 930E cam and its just constantly distorted images and f'ing up my traffic severely and I don't understand why. I ask tech support but I get the same b*llsh*t email all the time and it was kinda working from Wed-Fri and now its back to messing up again and I'm highly irritated, I know other people out there have had this problem too do you know a way to fix it cause SM support is NOT helping.
In what way is it distorted? I'm guessing you're using the encoder and it's stretching your cam out to make it widescreen & you don't have widescreen webcam?

webcamcutie
04-07-2014, 09:07 AM
I have a Widescreen cam... I have the latest in logitech which is the upgraded version to the 920C which was made for mac. And distorted as in it goes blurry then clears when I view it on my mobile app like gets blurred and not clear.

webcamcutie
04-07-2014, 10:15 AM
do believe I just fixed it on m own with my own research on google and not using sm's suggested settings, wish I did this a week ago, now my cam looks awesome. lol.

reversecowgirl
04-07-2014, 02:21 PM
One thing I am totally not comprehending on SM, is that 14 have favorited me, I've only had two privates so far, and NOBODY TALKS hardly. They come in, walk right out, but not talking?! It's making me crazy. Or they come in, sit and stare for an hour saying nothing........smh. And I am not your free show lady while you are in meetings at work!!! (some guy just told me he is in meeting for ninety minutes, needed me to entertain him YEAH NOT FOR FREE BUDDY) end confused rant.

Charlotteslut
04-07-2014, 03:18 PM
SM doesn't really have a "culture" of talking in freechat. It's not like MFC where the users are chatty. Most of the time on SM it's like "hi bb, hru/where you from/mmm hot *goes pvt*" and repeat until your shift is done lol. Be approachable, but don't waste your time trying to get them to talk, most of them won't and will stare at you like this O__O from afar.

In some ways I like it because I don't have to be that entertaining to make money, but in others it can get really tedious between shows. Some guys want to talk to me at length, but they pay me to do it because they don't get my full attention until EXCL. Some guys try to have in-depth conversations in freechat, but don't let one dude monopolize your time in free because other potential customers will be turned off or think you are busy.

brittany_bitch
04-07-2014, 03:49 PM
I like no talking because for me yeah it is super boring but it interrupts my sweb time and my youtube lmao. I like the "mm sexy bby lets go pvt". That makes my world go round because I am always like hru bby I am wet wanna play then we go never fails.I was also the sc girl "wanna dance" lol worked like a charm.

reversecowgirl
04-07-2014, 04:17 PM
SM doesn't really have a "culture" of talking in freechat. It's not like MFC where the users are chatty. Most of the time on SM it's like "hi bb, hru/where you from/mmm hot *goes pvt*" and repeat until your shift is done lol. Be approachable, but don't waste your time trying to get them to talk, most of them won't and will stare at you like this O__O from afar.

In some ways I like it because I don't have to be that entertaining to make money, but in others it can get really tedious between shows. Some guys want to talk to me at length, but they pay me to do it because they don't get my full attention until EXCL. Some guys try to have in-depth conversations in freechat, but don't let one dude monopolize your time in free because other potential customers will be turned off or think you are busy.

Yeah I am learning that as I go, I think I'm just used to the constant yack yack yack on Imlive, and on SM it's like I can hear crickets. I gotta start youtubing or playing angry birds or something in between guests. lol

SoloDesire
04-07-2014, 04:28 PM
I sit on SW and FB while I'm on SM. Booooring.