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JaneBurgess
05-29-2014, 09:27 PM
Yes they are and it will work if they stop allowing free video's to be given away. If they crack on Gold shows and ban free video's that will hopefully revive clubs and people will pay for video's. I'm all for making customers pay for extra's, it's more money in our pockets.
The new rules don't take effect until June 1st, not sure if that applies to pictures having to be changed then as well. Normally I agree with performers doing what works for them but it's not working for most on Streamate. I also cam on Cams.com and the people on there don't harass for nudity in free chat because they know it's not allowed. They even stopped doing happy hour on there, probably because it wasn't worth it if you can charge them full rates.
I really hope it works out for everyone. I hope we can have some peace in free chat, can do more paid shows, get rid of a majority of the freeloaders and make bank. It would also be cool if we could have stores in time, that would rock.
Are they trying to sell videos again? In the past, it was not a good experiment, that's why they did jot open it to models, maybe they are trying it again? idk, haven't heard a model talk about it.
They just put out the "free videos" for beta testing.
Same as Sarah, I have 4 topless photos approved.
idk... the best bet is to talk to who can to get the best answer for that performer.
I have never known anyone to go back but we will see
temptingmodel
05-29-2014, 10:01 PM
Yes they are and it will work if they stop allowing free video's to be given away. If they crack on Gold shows and ban free video's that will hopefully revive clubs and people will pay for video's. I'm all for making customers pay for extra's, it's more money in our pockets.
The new rules don't take effect until June 1st, not sure if that applies to pictures having to be changed then as well. Normally I agree with performers doing what works for them but it's not working for most on Streamate. I also cam on Cams.com and the people on there don't harass for nudity in free chat because they know it's not allowed. They even stopped doing happy hour on there, probably because it wasn't worth it if you can charge them full rates.
I really hope it works out for everyone. I hope we can have some peace in free chat, can do more paid shows, get rid of a majority of the freeloaders and make bank. It would also be cool if we could have stores in time, that would rock.
Im confused over the free video bc this is brand new, maybe a month? They are still approving them to be placed in the gallery. The tab is on our page. Not all models have this option, if it works out.
I sell my goldshow videos that are sexual
Cams stopped bc it was prime time on the east coast to offer .99 shows. East coast models didn't participate for the most.
I hope it works for everyone :) Im sure it will, for the most part I have always had peace in free chat. Just the regular pervs that I expect.
MODELS SEEM TO BE PISSED OVER SECTION H... owning the performer name but that has been in the agreement forever as well.
SarahTime
05-29-2014, 10:02 PM
Forget the topless stuff... have you guys READ the new performer agreement???
Just the best snippet:
" Performer/Studio grants to Streamate, its related entities, successors and assigns the perpetual, irrevocable, fully paid, royalty-free, universal and unconditional right to: (a) use, simulate, portray, publish, copy, distribute, perform, display and generally exploit Performer/Studio’s identity, name, fictional names (if any), voice, signature, photograph, words, images, personality or other likeness..."
This was not in the agreement I signed in 2011. There was absolutely NOTHING in the old agreement regarding owning anything but things I upload or stream to Streamate. Certainly nothing about owning out NAMES and IDENTITIES.
temptingmodel
05-29-2014, 10:06 PM
It has been there, worded differently.
The only thing I see changing are words.
They own everything, once signed, they own us per the agreement. Its not major, its to use for promotions, we give them permission to promote us under their names
This is for law purposes.
JaneBurgess
05-29-2014, 10:18 PM
I am going to try it out and see how it goes. It's only in Beta so I guess if it goes well they will release it site wide. They haven't really said but I'm sure they have some plan in place we don't know about. You should ask Liz to test it out and see how they sell when we are logged off. I like the idea of custies being able to buy our items when we are offline.
I have never offered nudity in free chat (not comfortable with it) and those tools have been nagging me ever since they allowed it. Why not just tip a performer that offers it? I will never understand their need to nag performers for anything when you can always find a performer willing to do your request. .
That's how I found out about the rule changes. Someone posted about section H and was really upset. I went and read that section and the new rules. I really need to read the whole thing before I sign anything stating I agree to it. I do think some of that wasn't in contracts signed before 2009 or 2010. That's why they don't use video's on some of us, it wasn't in the older agreements but is in this one. Clearly they don't own our performer names since a lot of us have had this name in the industry before we were on the site. They basically are just allowed to use it in promotions.
Im confused over the free video bc this is brand new, maybe a month? They are still approving them to be placed in the gallery. The tab is on our page. Not all models have this option, if it works out.
I sell my goldshow videos that are sexual
Cams stopped bc it was prime time on the east coast to offer .99 shows. East coast models didn't participate for the most.
I hope it works for everyone :) Im sure it will, for the most part I have always had peace in free chat. Just the regular pervs that I expect.
MODELS SEEM TO BE PISSED OVER SECTION H... owning the performer name but that has been in the agreement forever as well.
SarahTime
05-29-2014, 10:19 PM
It has been there, worded differently.
The only thing I see changing are words.
They own everything, once signed, they own us per the agreement. Its not major, its to use for promotions, we give them permission to promote us under their names
This is for law purposes.
We never previously gave permission for them to use our names and identities, only photos and videos, etc. This would mean that we couldn't use the same screen name across different sites as Streamate would own the names. It's definitely not the same that it was before.
temptingmodel
05-29-2014, 10:20 PM
Its been confirmed nothing has changed in 5 years on the agreement.
JaneBurgess
05-29-2014, 10:26 PM
What do you think changed? If you still have your original copy check it out. I will look and see if I can find mine, I know I saved it. I signed mine in 2008, and I know using our video's wasn't in that contract. That's probably why they want us all to sign new contracts.
We never previously gave permission for them to use our names and identities, only photos and videos, etc. This would mean that we couldn't use the same screen name across different sites as Streamate would own the names. It's definitely not the same that it was before.
Blovely
05-29-2014, 10:27 PM
I think Tempt is right. I remember reading and having discussions on here years ago (like Bambalina, Malaya Taylor years ago) about SM having rights/owning our name and persona. As far as the no nudity or topless in free I'll believe it when models start being ban. There's a different between SM stating their rules and actually enforcing them.
temptingmodel
05-29-2014, 10:35 PM
seriously, this is all I am saying. :D
I think Tempt is right. I remember reading and having discussions on here years ago (like Bambalina, Malaya Taylor years ago) about SM having rights/owning our name and persona. As far as the no nudity or topless in free I'll believe it when models start being ban. There's a different between SM stating their rules and actually enforcing them.
SarahTime
05-29-2014, 10:42 PM
What do you think changed? If you still have your original copy check it out. I will look and see if I can find mine, I know I saved it. I signed mine in 2008, and I know using our video's wasn't in that contract. That's probably why they want us all to sign new contracts.
I have the old agreement I signed in 2011, and I have read it over again just now. This wording is MUCH different than the old wording that is used. Nothing in the old agreement stated that if we have trademarked our personas that we transfer all rights to that persona over to Streamate. Nothing stated that they owned our names, identities, etc. Only that they owned the content uploaded and streamed through the site, which is to be explained as photos, videos, and streams - not names, identities, etc.
Trust me, I have studied law enough to know that these kinds of changes are not made for no reason. They wanted to elaborate on the previous wording, and they have. From a legal stand point it is MUCH, MUCH different.
temptingmodel
05-29-2014, 11:11 PM
the agreement is to be paid under ICF :D .. that's the only thing that has changed, nothing else.
They have ownership of our names to promote us and the benefits? they can have shows ripped down bc they own our content including name, if not, this would not be possible.
They are simply protecting themselves, its like wearing a condom, suddenly you notice how much better the name brand is vs the health department. lol
JaneBurgess
05-29-2014, 11:41 PM
They better. They have been banning performers for animals on cam. Even if the animal was in the far background and ran in they were banning. Crazy
I think Tempt is right. I remember reading and having discussions on here years ago (like Bambalina, Malaya Taylor years ago) about SM having rights/owning our name and persona. As far as the no nudity or topless in free I'll believe it when models start being ban. There's a different between SM stating their rules and actually enforcing them.
Blovely
05-29-2014, 11:43 PM
Performer/Studio grants to Streamates, its employees, agents, representatives, contractors, successors, and assigns the perpetual, irrevocable, fully paid, royalty-free, universal and unconditional right to: (a) use, simulate, portray, publish, copy, distribute, perform, display and generally exploit Performer/Studio’s identity, name, fictional names (if any), voice, signature, photograph, words, images, personality or other likeness (“Publicity Rights”); and (b) subject to paragraph “a” immediately copy, distribute, perform, display, and create derivative works from any copyright protected works or materials developed or created by Performer/Studio, based in whole or in part on, or arising from or related to the Publicity Rights, for advertising, distribution, marketing, promotion, publicity, sales or any other lawful commercial or noncommercial purpose, in any form or manner, in whole or in part, in any electronic or non-electronic medium now known or later devised.
I tried finding older threads but there's like 20 pages when you search SM and ain't nobody got time for that. This was posted in 2013 in The "Streamate Agreement Terms," identity rights (https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?184305-The-quot-Streamate-Agreement-Terms-quot-identity-rights)
I always wondered if this means that they own rights to a models personal website and clip4sale content?
JaneBurgess
05-29-2014, 11:44 PM
If you have questions, ask your attorney. Never, ever sign anything you are not comfortable with, I can't believe how many people do. There are a few attorneys that specialize in the adult industry. Michael aka Porn Law on Twitter is a great guy to ask, he is so nice and always helps a lot of us out. https://twitter.com/pornlaw
SarahTime
05-30-2014, 12:20 AM
I tried finding older threads but there's like 20 pages when you search SM and ain't nobody got time for that. This was posted in 2013 in The "Streamate Agreement Terms," identity rights (https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?184305-The-quot-Streamate-Agreement-Terms-quot-identity-rights)
I always wondered if this means that they own rights to a models personal website and clip4sale content?
LOL You're right.... ain't nobody got time fo dat! And I actually commented on that thread I see.... hah :) But I should have read that post better back then because even THAT quote from the agreement is not the same as the one that I signed. This is all it said about what they have rights to when I signed it:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bo27KzPIIAA3I-G.jpg:large
In all honesty I personally don't ACTUALLY care. I just find it amusing that they changed it so much. The part where they get to "exploit" us was my particular favorite. LOL :)
I just thought since we were splitting hairs over the wording of tits or no tits..... we might as well take a look at this wording as well.
RedAlice
05-30-2014, 02:44 AM
Tits-wise ... "Nudity" is generally classed as below-the-belt, right? Technically. So clarifying it as "below the belt nudity" was always redundant, they only changed the original wording because people were confused and thought boobs were banned. They've just switched the words back to the original version. I've messaged them for clarification anyway. We'll see!
I don't mind it being prohibited - if they're not gonna have an enter/leave splash page to warn of adult content, I'm happy with anything being behind a paywall tbh - but I did like the option of quickly flashing for tips without getting into a whole show. I'm a lazy daisy. Hah.
brittany_bitch
05-30-2014, 03:16 AM
The whole new thing worries me. I was wondering if walmart will still cash my checks since they are used to seeing sm lol and now icf.
Owning our identities and exploiting us means what exactly?
I understand owning the performer name I guess in a way still weird.
I loved the new changes but the new rules/agreement are worrisome to me.
Also does anyone know if tits r allowed has anyone asked or ass?
The agreement says that we shall be responsible for taxes and keeping up any licenses or certificates what does that mean?
I was not aware I needed a license and I hope they still send out 1099's.
Sm is not selling the company to this icf right?
Gosh I just start making so much more and have to worry again if they will be here long term I need u sm please don't leave me bby..
Do u guys think the percent we get will ever decrease or increase?
brittany_bitch
05-30-2014, 03:18 AM
Also where will the message come for me to sign ?In my sm inbox?
Will we need to re upload ids? Ty soo much :)
anoncamgirl
05-30-2014, 03:41 AM
This is utter bullshit. I'm sure that this means Streamate now owns the rights to all your content, pictures, videos, and etc. Anything you make is something they own. I'm sure this also counts for sales on Clips4Sale, ExtraLunchMoney, and anywhere else you try to sell things on. I'm opening a membership site one day. There's no way in hell I'll sign an agreement saying they own the rights to all my content. This was not in the former contract I signed. It explicitly stated that they owned anything uploaded or streamed through their site. It said nothing about owning the rights to my life's work. There's a huge legal difference. Unless that's written in a contract that I e-sign or sign, they can't just state it in the rules and say you sold your soul over to them. It's just a way of them making money off your life's work and fucking you in the ass when you retire. This is common in porn, and now it's happening to cam. Unless you want to be broke when you're 50+ with nothing but skills to fall back on, I would suggest finding a new site. This is absurd and I'm shocked there's girls still trying to make Streamate work for them. That ship has sailed. Don't sign the new contract; don't be an idiot.
brittany_bitch
05-30-2014, 03:52 AM
So if I become an author they can take my books lol?
I wrote two posts at the bottom of the page before this one if anyone will read them and help me I would appreciate it :)
sammii
05-30-2014, 04:00 AM
They only own the content that you post to their site.
BustyVixen
05-30-2014, 04:26 AM
I'm not a lawyer or anything but I've been in this industry for over a decade. The part about being able to use you likeness, name, voice and "exploit" you is something that is in every single document that I've ever signed before doing a photo shoot or porn scene. Can't tell you how many magazines that I've been in where they've changed what I said in the interview or a website has used my images for advertising, etc. That is what that part is for in the contract. I think they are also putting a clause in there to cover their ass about trade marked names so someone couldn't come and sue them for using their name/pics for advertising if they have a TM. As for owning your content from other sites, it states in the section above that you can work for other sites and operate a personal website as long as you don't poach customers, etc. It says nothing about them owning the content, just what you upload to their site or the live shows you do on there.
Think about it..there's agreements for C4S and ELM, contracts that we have between ourselves and other companies and Streamate can't just swoop in and say to C4S " Guess what? We now own rights to your cam models clip stores." I think C4S would have them in court in a hot second. I could be totally off here but I just woke up to seeing all of this on here and on Twitter and after reading it a couple of times, this is my take on it.
I may have my lawyer look this over, let me know if anyone else already has so we can have this figured out.
Since SM reads this form, and we have Liz can one of the please clarify this for us. Unfortunately ALOT of us are just squeaking by and cannot afford a lawyer. I specifically want to know about the name thing( do I have to change that on any other sites I use? ) And for clips4sale- is this giving them the rights to that content? I'll be damned if I did all that work to have them take it. AND lose my % for their 35%. If this new contract sucks that bad I'd rather go back to the site I loathe the most. But I would make it work.
If SM gets rid of the nudity in free chat business would tank for a bit and then build up to better than before- the guys have to be retrained. As far as giving away free videos for guys to do the gold shows. Omg- it's porn. Sell everything.
Reading the agreement as best as I can.
Seems the business license section is of interest.
This is acknowledging that in order to work from home you need an adult business license is how I'm interpreting this. As far as us US ladies I imagine that means alot of us will be breaking the law by continuing. I cannot fathom most places giving you an adult business license in a residential area.
brittany_bitch
05-30-2014, 04:48 AM
I like the idea of selling vids too and offline tips.
my concern was the 1099 and then the licenses and certificates they said we had to keep up I don't understand that.
Can we say we work for icf now instead of sm ?
I make lots of gold off boobs and ass in free chat and I would like the no nudity in free chat at all but some of us could lose out for a while until we gain it back.
BustyVixen
05-30-2014, 04:58 AM
I'm pretty sure the license and certificates is a clause to encompass that you're responsible for your business records, if you have an LLC or something, etc..which is not required of course but they have to word everything a certain way to make it legally sound.
brittany_bitch
05-30-2014, 05:04 AM
Like mare said though wouldn't it be illegal for us girls to continue especially in a residential area?
Do we have to have a license because I thought an independent contractor is just that contracted to do jobs and we are technically contracted by streamate.
This stuff is so scary and confusing :L( Thanks busty :)
RedAlice
05-30-2014, 05:07 AM
I take their 1099/tax/license/certificate clause as a reminder to obtain any & all legal documents you may need to operate legally within your country. Which was already a requirement I think? I don't know how licenses & certificates work over there (I'm in the UK) but assumed they were only applicable to studios who employ models. Do you all require a license even if you're working as an independent contractor?
Wow. Not sure what to make of all of that legal talk. Sure as hell can't afford a lawyer. Sure as hell Don't want to quit SM. Seems I've got 2 days to figure it out as they're giving us until the first of June and it's now May 30.
I'm hoping someone is able to have this looked at or help us make sense of this.
brittany_bitch
05-30-2014, 05:32 AM
R they sending the contract to our inbox to be e signed?
I hope we do make some sense of it I do not want to quit sm and the license thing scares me I mean a lot of us have kids and cannot afford issues with the law and all that even if we do not have kids I do not think any of us can afford or deserves to go to jail :(
RedAlice
05-30-2014, 05:43 AM
Just make sure you're within your country/state/whatever's laws, and you're fine surely? SM can't change the law.
If you need a license to work legally, you need it whether SM have it in the agreement or not.
brittany_bitch
05-30-2014, 05:47 AM
I know but where do u go to get a n adult license or whatever ?
The obscenity laws are okay but I do not think it is allowed to produce porn in a residential area with or without a license and that would mean we are all breaking the law . Because the law would take this as producing porn content hmm how do we look these things up ?
brittany_bitch
05-30-2014, 06:05 AM
I just re read the message and it says we will get a message to acknowledge that we have "SEEN" the new agreement and no further action will be required so I am guessing that means we just need to let them know we saw it we do not have to sign it so technically we will still be under the old contract I hope that's what this means this is all freaking me out I don't know about u guys but I am nervous confused u name it.
Just make sure you're within your country/state/whatever's laws, and you're fine surely? SM can't change the law.
If you need a license to work legally, you need it whether SM have it in the agreement or not.
Easier said than done. In my small town I can't imagine going into the town hall and asking for an adult business license or even what the laws are relating to that.( can you say TOWN WHORE) I have another business license that I did have to go there for and it is to operate that business out of my residence.
I do have a contract that I use in said business and was helped out gratis by a relative's lawyer. I can't very well ask this same lawyer adult business questions.
I'm pretty sure 9 out of 10 counties are NOT adult business friendly.
Not sure really how any of it works. I just don't need trouble with the law. None of us do.
So let's take stripping for example. You're an independent contractor. You pay your taxes. But you have no business license. Someone help me here. This is all pretty scarey.
Blovely
05-30-2014, 06:32 AM
I'm not a lawyer or anything but I've been in this industry for over a decade. The part about being able to use you likeness, name, voice and "exploit" you is something that is in every single document that I've ever signed before doing a photo shoot or porn scene. Can't tell you how many magazines that I've been in where they've changed what I said in the interview or a website has used my images for advertising, etc. That is what that part is for in the contract. I think they are also putting a clause in there to cover their ass about trade marked names so someone couldn't come and sue them for using their name/pics for advertising if they have a TM. As for owning your content from other sites, it states in the section above that you can work for other sites and operate a personal website as long as you don't poach customers, etc. It says nothing about them owning the content, just what you upload to their site or the live shows you do on there.
Think about it..there's agreements for C4S and ELM, contracts that we have between ourselves and other companies and Streamate can't just swoop in and say to C4S " Guess what? We now own rights to your cam models clip stores." I think C4S would have them in court in a hot second. I could be totally off here but I just woke up to seeing all of this on here and on Twitter and after reading it a couple of times, this is my take on it.
I may have my lawyer look this over, let me know if anyone else already has so we can have this figured out.
I understand that they can't just swoop in and say "we now own rights to your cam models clip stores" but I'm just confused about their wording. Because if they are saying that they can publish, use, copy, exploit, etc a "Performer's identity, name, fictional names (if any), voice, signature, photograph, words, images, personality or other likeness" doesn't that mean that they can use anything under own performer name. So lets say they went to a models personal website that the model bought herself(with no help or ties from SM) and she posted pictures on her blog or in her members area. Does this mean that SM can take the content from her blog or members area and use it since they can publish, use, copy, exploit, etc a Performer's; name, photograph, images, personality and likeness? Or are they saying that they can only do those actions when it comes to anything we uploaded it to their website?
Sm is not selling the company to this icf right?
No. ICF is their parent company meaning SM is under ICF. It only means that the name on our checks changes to ICF instead of "Streamates" being plastered across it.
I tried getting a business license through city hall never again. I told them that the company was an online company and they still tried to make me fill out zoning paper which stated that someone had to come into my home and make sure it was a business property or something like that. I threw the papers away with utter quickness.
brittany_bitch
05-30-2014, 06:40 AM
O geez I hope we don't need these licenses camming changed my whole life for the better if this means what I fear it means then my life is back to shit and will be literally ruined until I figure another job entirely out :( It won't be another cam site.
temptingmodel
05-30-2014, 06:48 AM
licenses are needed in Vegas , shit like that. Few places have the law that you need a license to cam from home.
if walmart cashed before, they will continue to cash, the bank has not changed, the name has.
Walmart never cashed for me, check amount is questionable. Banks use to put a 3 day hold, I do direct deposit.
nothing has changed to make you guys go into a state of doomsday camming.
I swear on my daughters eyeballs, you guys are good to go. Trust me, SM is my home, SM is not going to fuck us unless we fuck them or they happen to go under for God only knows what reason. If they go under all of us then have something to worry about.
Good luck, make that money, do what you are comfortable with and make fucktons of money :)
brittany_bitch
05-30-2014, 06:52 AM
Thanks tempting btw love ur new pic so hott :)
U have made me feel better because I know u value ur daughters eyeballs lol and I was just worried about that license shit I am nowhere in vegas lol. Hopefully we will all feel better soon and get a little clarity.
RedAlice
05-30-2014, 07:36 AM
SM have just emailed me back to confirm that "no nudity" in the new agreement still only means below-the-belt. Tits are still okay. So that clears that up.
temptingmodel
05-30-2014, 07:40 AM
I do value her eyeballs lol seriously it is a saying said to know we speak the truth or face the knife and get eyeballs cut out, very mid evil lol
Thanks tempting btw love ur new pic so hott :)
U have made me feel better because I know u value ur daughters eyeballs lol and I was just worried about that license shit I am nowhere in vegas lol. Hopefully we will all feel better soon and get a little clarity.Ty for the compliment:D
BustyVixen
05-30-2014, 07:46 AM
Guys, Michael Fattorosi, who is @pornlaw on Twitter is the to go- to lawyer for the adult industry..he's AVN's lawyer, etc. He is looking at the contract right now for everyone. He'll be straight up about it so let's see what he has to say, I know him personally so I will trust his opinion..and I think we will all be ok.
temptingmodel
05-30-2014, 08:18 AM
SM have just emailed me back to confirm that "no nudity" in the new agreement still only means below-the-belt. Tits are still okay. So that clears that up.
http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/trolling%20gifs/grand/tits_juice_gif.gif
milk that money continues :D
RedAlice
05-30-2014, 09:04 AM
I also asked support about their clause regarding our performer names & content.
"The content that Streamate owns would be content under the performer name you have registered with us, as well as, all content streamed or added to your account with us. So your performer account under the name [my name here] and the content you stream/upload ect through streamatemodels.com is content owned by us and can be used in the aforementioned ways for advertising and so forth. So essentially what it is saying is we own the performer name you have used with us and all content that goes through our sites. So if you wanted to do a project or something else not on our site you would want to use a different name than [my name here].
Hopefully this clears things up a bit. If you do have any more questions let us know!"
So. It sounds like they only "own" & use the content we publish on SM, but they don't want us to use our performer names elsewhere. I get the impression they'd simply ban us for having C4S, ELM, & whatever with the same name? It's not clear and I don't want to draw more attention to my name by asking many more questions.
I have asked whether they're going to let us change our names while keeping our ratings, favourites, gold shows, etc. since they're magically now insisting on us have performer names unique to Streamate. It's only fair.
Blovely
05-30-2014, 09:34 AM
I also asked support about their clause regarding our performer names & content.
"The content that Streamate owns would be content under the performer name you have registered with us, as well as, all content streamed or added to your account with us. So your performer account under the name [my name here] and the content you stream/upload ect through streamatemodels.com is content owned by us and can be used in the aforementioned ways for advertising and so forth. So essentially what it is saying is we own the performer name you have used with us and all content that goes through our sites. So if you wanted to do a project or something else not on our site you would want to use a different name than [my name here].
Hopefully this clears things up a bit. If you do have any more questions let us know!"
So. It sounds like they only "own" & use the content we publish on SM, but they don't want us to use our performer names elsewhere. I get the impression they'd simply ban us for having C4S, ELM, & whatever with the same name? It's not clear and I don't want to draw more attention to my name by asking many more questions.
I have asked whether they're going to let us change our names while keeping our ratings, favourites, gold shows, etc. since they're magically now insisting on us have performer names unique to Streamate. It's only fair.
I was like Oh ok great, I understand until I got to the bolded. So I guess now we'd have to brand ourselves under different names.
I think they've gotten less strict about the name change. Before we couldn't/weren't allowed to change our name but now we are able to. But you may have issues depending on who answers your support ticket because some may say you can't change your name while others will change it without any problems. I can remember if it was Liz or Vanessa but I contacted one of them and she changed mine for me. You keep your ratings, favs, gold shows, comments, etc.
RedAlice
05-30-2014, 09:40 AM
They were really specific when they repeated my name back to me. So like, if your performer name was JohnSmithXXX, you'd probably be okay if you were on other sites as JohnXXXSmith or SmithJohn or whatever. So you can get around the clause with a slightly different arrangement of your name. Much like registered businesses can have similar-but-not-identical names. (If anyone else gets any different answers from support or whatever, feel free to correct me!)
RedAlice
05-30-2014, 09:41 AM
If any of y'all are working under the name John Smith, I'm really sorry & whatnot, enjoy the free advertising. ;)
Thank you Busty and Tempting. I hate to be a doomsday cammer. Unfortunately I was born with many skeptical bones in my body. They started to ache when sm changes it's contract. As in - why the change? Is it because something is coming down soon, or did something happen already to cause the change?
But anyone that can swear on eyeballs has my confidence. ;)
Plus I really don't want to leave SM. I'm thinking they're changing for the better. I can't wait to see what Michael has to say.
BustyVixen
05-30-2014, 09:47 AM
SM just put something on Twitter that they are revising the wording in the agreement and will have it changed soon.
BustyVixen
05-30-2014, 10:13 AM
If you haven't already, take a look at @streamatemodels Twitter feed, there's a lot of good info