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TM1975
05-30-2014, 10:26 AM
I emailed SM last night about the no nudity rule, here is the email with them with the reply I got this morning. :)

37709

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
05-30-2014, 10:32 AM
I'm impressed you got a response that detailed. Two days in a row guys were getting kicked from the room when trying to take me private. SM referred me to the streaming issues page. As though I hadn't visited that already. :O



They were really specific when they repeated my name back to me. So like, if your performer name was JohnSmithXXX, you'd probably be okay if you were on other sites as JohnXXXSmith or SmithJohn or whatever. So you can get around the clause with a slightly different arrangement of your name. Much like registered businesses can have similar-but-not-identical names. (If anyone else gets any different answers from support or whatever, feel free to correct me!)

SweetJulia
05-30-2014, 10:36 AM
You guys, with the new rules on SM, are ass cheeks ok? Cuz I usually have a thong on and a pushup bra. I can change that if need be, I just don't want to get in trouble.
Also, if I may put my two cents in about the no topless thing, it'll be great and bring all of us money if everyone follows the rule and people actually get accounts suspended. But it's such a huge site and girls get away with so much that it may not be enforced as well as SM hopes it is. I really don't mind giving up 35% of a five dollar flash to spend more time in private or exclusive. Also, my regulars have stopped making fun of the new layout, so I guess I'm ok with it now lol.

euaici
05-30-2014, 10:39 AM
have you checked out this part of the agreement?

7. Your Account Will Be Closed For Fraudulent Activity*
Fraudulent activity* of any sort will not be tolerated – should your account receive any complaints, chargebacks , or reports for fraud, your account will be terminated on the first offense and payments will be withheld. Streamate Limited reserves the right to terminat e any account at any time for any reason if fraud is suspected.
*Fraudulent activity is defined as any activity on the site that results in complaints, chargebacks, or is deemed inappropriate by Streamate Limited Staff.

So they don't take chargebacks off our pay but close our accounts?

RedAlice
05-30-2014, 10:48 AM
I'm impressed you got a response that detailed. Two days in a row guys were getting kicked from the room when trying to take me private. SM referred me to the streaming issues page. As though I hadn't visited that already. :O

I must've just lucked out with the person who saw my emails today! Probably just the new guy who hasn't become jaded and bitter towards us all yet.

Nocturnelle
05-30-2014, 11:03 AM
have you checked out this part of the agreement?

7. Your Account Will Be Closed For Fraudulent Activity*
Fraudulent activity* of any sort will not be tolerated – should your account receive any complaints, chargebacks , or reports for fraud, your account will be terminated on the first offense and payments will be withheld. Streamate Limited reserves the right to terminat e any account at any time for any reason if fraud is suspected.
*Fraudulent activity is defined as any activity on the site that results in complaints, chargebacks, or is deemed inappropriate by Streamate Limited Staff.

So they don't take chargebacks off our pay but close our accounts?


So if some asshole has regrets or his wife finds his statement and decides to play the "my card got stolen" act, MY account gets banned? Wow.

temptingmodel
05-30-2014, 11:31 AM
So if some asshole has regrets or his wife finds his statement and decides to play the "my card got stolen" act, MY account gets banned? Wow. no, that has been in the agreement all these years as well

SaraLaughs
05-30-2014, 11:33 AM
I'm sure they mean fraudulent as in 'didn't perform' or 'wasn't streaming live' or other cons. I'm sure they can and do check that out first. Every model is $$ to them, so why ban perfectly legitimate ones?

temptingmodel
05-30-2014, 11:38 AM
I think its a great idea for performers to not only read but keep a hard copy

The rules have not changed at all

things are worded slightly different, that is all lol

i give up

SarahTime
05-30-2014, 12:53 PM
I'm not a lawyer or anything but I've been in this industry for over a decade. The part about being able to use you likeness, name, voice and "exploit" you is something that is in every single document that I've ever signed before doing a photo shoot or porn scene. Can't tell you how many magazines that I've been in where they've changed what I said in the interview or a website has used my images for advertising, etc. That is what that part is for in the contract. I think they are also putting a clause in there to cover their ass about trade marked names so someone couldn't come and sue them for using their name/pics for advertising if they have a TM. As for owning your content from other sites, it states in the section above that you can work for other sites and operate a personal website as long as you don't poach customers, etc. It says nothing about them owning the content, just what you upload to their site or the live shows you do on there.

Think about it..there's agreements for C4S and ELM, contracts that we have between ourselves and other companies and Streamate can't just swoop in and say to C4S " Guess what? We now own rights to your cam models clip stores." I think C4S would have them in court in a hot second. I could be totally off here but I just woke up to seeing all of this on here and on Twitter and after reading it a couple of times, this is my take on it.

I may have my lawyer look this over, let me know if anyone else already has so we can have this figured out.

The part about owning the rights to out names and trademarks being transferred was unnecessary. I have never seen anything like that in any other cam site contract nor was it in my original Streamate contract from 2011. Obviously they want to own the rights to things such as photos, videos, and our live stream so they can use it for promotion but trust me, the part about names, identities, and personalities was unnecessary.

Either way, I'm told that the wording has been changed to be more appropriate to what their purpose is. I haven't looked at it yet but I completely applaud them for listening to those of us that pointed it out and changing it. There were a lot of people upset for good reason. Streamate acknowledged that it was problematic or they wouldn't have changed it.

JoyKitten
05-30-2014, 12:57 PM
There is NO change to the clothing policy.
Bare boobs & thongs are fine.

RE: Guys not being able to get into our shows
There are soooo many devices being used to access our stream that sometimes it's THEIR equipment.
I referred a friend to the site, he joined & uses his iPad to do shows with me. Half the time he'll take me Exclusive but his damned iPad boots him and I end up going back into Free Chat. If I didn't know him personally, I would have absolutely NO idea why he's constantly having issues getting in to spend with me =p Knowing there is an issue with this very popular device helps lower my stress level, 'cuz I just imagine it's their problem not me or Streamate's issue. (Getting upset doesn't serve me in any way)

So it's not always the site, or our stream.

SarahTime
05-30-2014, 01:01 PM
And I know it's easy to look at something like this and be like "well it's always said that" or "it means this or that" or whatever else but in the world of contracts things need to be very clear and not open for interpretation. That's part of the point of contracts to begin with. So you can't look at what was there and be like oh it's always said that, no it has not always said that even if that's what we have always took it to be implied. Until it's said explicitly, it's not said no matter what we interpret it to mean.

So, clarifying and being very clear is good for all parties because it doesn't matter what we think it says, it matters what it actually says.

JoyKitten
05-30-2014, 01:07 PM
I'm pretty sure the license and certificates is a clause to encompass that you're responsible for your business records, if you have an LLC or something, etc..which is not required of course but they have to word everything a certain way to make it legally sound.

Yes, yes, yes! This is how I see this entire legal thing.
I don't think they're going to require us to provide a business license to stream.
Rather, it's CYA, Cover Your Ass, for them.
By having it on record that you've been advised you should get a business license, they're off the hook if your community actually requires you have a business license. It's on YOU to make sure your business is legal.
I'll be surprised if they actually make us submit a form.

SarahTime
05-30-2014, 01:17 PM
Yes, yes, yes! This is how I see this entire legal thing.
I don't think they're going to require us to provide a business license to stream.
Rather, it's CYA, Cover Your Ass, for them.
By having it on record that you've been advised you should get a business license, they're off the hook if your community actually requires you have a business license. It's on YOU to make sure your business is legal.
I'll be surprised if they actually make us submit a form.

They won't make us submit anything because a license is only required in certain areas. Definitely a cover your ass thing.

Kind of how MFC technically states no nudity in free chat.... It's so they can put all the blame on the models if need be and say, well we told them not to and they agreed not to and did it anyway so sorry models it's all your fault. ;)

BustyVixen
05-30-2014, 03:48 PM
The part about owning the rights to out names and trademarks being transferred was unnecessary. I have never seen anything like that in any other cam site contract nor was it in my original Streamate contract from 2011. Obviously they want to own the rights to things such as photos, videos, and our live stream so they can use it for promotion but trust me, the part about names, identities, and personalities was unnecessary.

Either way, I'm told that the wording has been changed to be more appropriate to what their purpose is. I haven't looked at it yet but I completely applaud them for listening to those of us that pointed it out and changing it. There were a lot of people upset for good reason. Streamate acknowledged that it was problematic or they wouldn't have changed it.

Yeah now it basically says they can use your name/likeness for advertising etc. I think they just wanted a clause in there to protect them from someone with a trademark or otherwise trying to sue them for using their name to promo something. Glad they fixed it.

GracieBlue
05-30-2014, 03:56 PM
I have never offered nudity in free chat (not comfortable with it) and those tools have been nagging me ever since they allowed it. Why not just tip a performer that offers it? I will never understand their need to nag performers for anything when you can always find a performer willing to do your request. .


Me too! They are like but you have done porn..what's the big deal....The deal is that I prefer to get naked for you in a private/paid chat!

JaneBurgess
05-30-2014, 04:10 PM
The problem with that reply is we are signing a contract that states no nudity in free chat period. A contract is a legal binding and that's just an e-mail. If they want to allow topless nudity they need to change the nudity rule in the contract.



I emailed SM last night about the no nudity rule, here is the email with them with the reply I got this morning. :)

37709

JaneBurgess
05-30-2014, 04:12 PM
Exactly. I was paid well to shoot porn and you will pay me well to see me naked in private. Some of these men are silly.



Me too! They are like but you have done porn..what's the big deal....The deal is that I prefer to get naked for you in a private/paid chat!

temptingmodel
05-30-2014, 04:16 PM
Thy announce they are changing the wording :)
The problem with that reply is we are signing a contract that states no nudity in free chat period. A contract is a legal binding and that's just an e-mail. If they want to allow topless nudity they need to change the nudity rule in the contract.

JaneBurgess
05-30-2014, 04:24 PM
That's really good and should make a lot of performers feel 100 percent better. I hope they clarify below the belt nudity better as well. They have never been real clear on that either.



Thy announce they are changing the wording :)

Blovely
05-30-2014, 04:37 PM
Thy announce they are changing the wording :)
So much better, alot easier to understand now.


I hope they clarify below the belt nudity better as well. They have never been real clear on that either.
They did...

3. No Below the Waist Nudity In Free Chat.

In order to prevent minors’ exposure to below the waist nudity and adult material, no below the waist nudity is allowed in “free chat.” Below the waist nudity is only allowed in age-verified areas, which are also known as “private” or “paid chat.” Below the waist nudity in free areas will result in temporary suspension or permanent closing of your account.

temptingmodel
05-30-2014, 04:52 PM
of course its not written, no pink. I just keep emails
That's really good and should make a lot of performers feel 100 percent better. I hope they clarify below the belt nudity better as well. They have never been real clear on that either.

h0ttie
05-30-2014, 05:01 PM
about the my ranking thing....

my round trip time is good...i think that might be ping? my ping 21ms

and my bitrate is average?? what is bitrate? is that like computer speed? or internet speed?

temptingmodel
05-30-2014, 05:46 PM
look at you encoder when streaming, the bit rate is on the right.

JoyKitten
05-30-2014, 07:30 PM
The problem with that reply is we are signing a contract that states no nudity in free chat period. A contract is a legal binding and that's just an e-mail. If they want to allow topless nudity they need to change the nudity rule in the contract.

I agree 100% and yesterday I brought it to their attention. I'd like to think they'll do something about it, since they seem to be re-writing other parts of Section H. Why not better define 'nude'? Grrrrr.......


UPDATE:
Yay! I see now they have changed the wording on Section H and #3, No nudity issue
=)

CurvyWinona
05-30-2014, 07:43 PM
37713
flash time!!! Cheers!

JaneBurgess
05-30-2014, 08:06 PM
They get pissed when they tell me to flash and I flip them off. They never said what to flash :)



37713
flash time!!! Cheers!

bbwchristyminx
05-30-2014, 09:23 PM
licenses are needed in Vegas , shit like that. Few places have the law that you need a license to cam from home.
if walmart cashed before, they will continue to cash, the bank has not changed, the name has.
Walmart never cashed for me, check amount is questionable. Banks use to put a 3 day hold, I do direct deposit.
nothing has changed to make you guys go into a state of doomsday camming.

I swear on my daughters eyeballs, you guys are good to go. Trust me, SM is my home, SM is not going to fuck us unless we fuck them or they happen to go under for God only knows what reason. If they go under all of us then have something to worry about.


Good luck, make that money, do what you are comfortable with and make fucktons of money :)






Hey cam sister, if a cam model lived in vegas should they have a business license ?? What would happen if she didn't get one?

temptingmodel
05-30-2014, 09:41 PM
I don't know the laws.
I hear from other cammodels/studios different states, used it as a example. :D

Hey cam sister, if a cam model lived in vegas should they have a business license ?? What would happen if she didn't get one?

brittany_bitch
05-31-2014, 02:00 AM
Does north Carolina have any of those laws about licenses ?Do any of u chicks know?
Also the only thing I worry about now is the chargeback deal like do they investigate it will they check our shows and such to see that it was not our fault?
If a guy or another model/troll wanted to be mean they could just say all kinds of things about us and report us left and right especially some of these asshole guys who get angry when theres no anal in pvt or whatever.
Thanks for helping and I am going to read the new contract now :)

RedAlice
05-31-2014, 02:38 AM
They specifically mean chargebacks in relation to fraudulent activity. They can check our feeds if there's a serious accusation.

Not just the occasional chargeback where a guy's upset that you didn't stand on your head and put your toes in your vag, or something.

brittany_bitch
05-31-2014, 03:46 AM
Okay good cause I am sure some of these guys don't have money to cover their selves sometimes I feel better about that then I don 't ever want to leave sm lol .
Also I was wondering on the stream page where the topic is it usually lets us write in the box then press the blue set topic box which then turns grey well mine is straying grey and not letting me erase and re set the topic anyone else noticed this or what could be wrong?
Thanks.

brittany_bitch
05-31-2014, 04:26 AM
My clear topic button is missing thanks so much I will email them now .
Also two other things one is I re read the contract and I do not get how they can use our legal name how they want to but I may have read it wrong :
" Performer/Studio grants to Streamate, its related entities, successors and assigns the perpetual, irrevocable, fully paid, royalty-free, universal and unconditional right to use, portray, publish, copy, distribute, and display Performer/Studio’s identity, name, fictional names (if any), voice, signature, photograph, words, images, personality or other likeness, in whole or in part, for advertising, distribution, marketing, promotion, publicity, and sales purposes."
Also will they be sending something in the messages for us to sign or how will we "Acknowledge we read the new agreement?
Thanks a lot bbys :)

RedAlice
05-31-2014, 10:00 AM
This might be a daft question, but anyways. The videos I make for C4S have my twitter handle & email address at the end. If I send them to SM customers, do I need to edit that info out?

kortneykay
05-31-2014, 11:48 AM
^^^^SM doesn't allow people to steal customers but since they allow you to send them videos for shows and such there's nothing they can really do about it. So, you SHOULD edit it out, but no one really does and they probably do it to gain a better following and more custom videos. Depends if you're a naughty girl or not, teehee.

tropo
05-31-2014, 01:59 PM
about the my ranking thing....

my round trip time is good...i think that might be ping? my ping 21ms

and my bitrate is average?? what is bitrate? is that like computer speed? or internet speed?

Ping is tied to distance from server, so the best I can do is just over 200ms, as the signal has to make a round trip under the Pacific Ocean all the way from Asia. Having a ping as low as 21ms would be a dream come true.

JaneBurgess
05-31-2014, 04:07 PM
I dont think so. My video's have my website url and logo on them they have never had an issue with me selling them.



This might be a daft question, but anyways. The videos I make for C4S have my twitter handle & email address at the end. If I send them to SM customers, do I need to edit that info out?

temptingmodel
05-31-2014, 05:12 PM
if someone does a review of your videos, they do send in "customers" that are really support and find this, the account will face a suspension/termination

This is occasionally announced on streamate twitter feed
I would unwater mark with the clips for sale and only use your name, most ppl google your camname and find you other places

This might be a daft question, but anyways. The videos I make for C4S have my twitter handle & email address at the end. If I send them to SM customers, do I need to edit that info out?

RedAlice
05-31-2014, 05:26 PM
Ooh thanks for all the answers. My cam name and twitter name are identical anyway, so if customers want more videos or contact they can find me without me holding their hands. I'm just supremely lazy and don't wanna re-edit videos. Oh well. ;)

temptingmodel
05-31-2014, 05:59 PM
It was done to me and I had just made more, they simply started emailing me and letting me know. Plus you always need to update anyways :) UOTE=RedAlice;2635559]Ooh thanks for all the answers. My cam name and twitter name are identical anyway, so if customers want more videos or contact they can find me without me holding their hands. I'm just supremely lazy and don't wanna re-edit videos. Oh well. ;)[/QUOTE]

temptingmodel
05-31-2014, 06:02 PM
Does north Carolina have any of those laws about licenses ?Do any of u chicks know?
)

NC law is to claim your taxes or they take first born, that's all lol
I'm in NC, I love NC for many reasons but damn the state taxes

JaneBurgess
05-31-2014, 06:27 PM
I would contact Liz and ask her. I have her message to me stating the logo and url are fine. If she gives you the ok, just save the e-mail.




Ooh thanks for all the answers. My cam name and twitter name are identical anyway, so if customers want more videos or contact they can find me without me holding their hands. I'm just supremely lazy and don't wanna re-edit videos. Oh well. ;)

Naiad
05-31-2014, 06:54 PM
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temptingmodel
05-31-2014, 07:26 PM
save the e-mail.

so true on streamate

JaneBurgess
05-31-2014, 07:53 PM
I'm like you, I save all the e-mails just to be safe.



so true on streamate

JaneBurgess
05-31-2014, 07:57 PM
I asked that and it sounds like they plan to allow us to sell the video's on there in time. It makes sense because giving away free video's doesn't bring the site much money, but having everyone sell them would be good revenue for everyone. I hope in time they allow us to have a store that sells more than video's or picture sets.



I'm wondering if they're not trying out the 'my video' feature because models have been redirecting traffic through video links. They obviously read this forum, I figure it was only a matter of time before they cracked down on that.

temptingmodel
05-31-2014, 09:11 PM
To answer BigNerd, they review the videos hardcore. The tiniest detail can be rejected.
I haven't seen other models videos but one and it was as cool slideshow about her goldshows. I don't have time to watch videos but it was a wonderful selling idea, pictures into videos instead of a gallery they can easily copy and paste, this is why I only update profile picture.

I asked that and it sounds like they plan to allow us to sell the video's on there in time. It makes sense because giving away free video's doesn't bring the site much money, but having everyone sell them would be good revenue for everyone. I hope in time they allow us to have a store that sells more than video's or picture sets.

Since I have the free, I did ask the paid version as Jane suggest and I am told once again its in Beta, not yet offered, hasn't been tested enough.
It was confirmed as well there is no sign of free video going anywhere. Pay is something they are working on.

JaneBurgess
05-31-2014, 09:43 PM
I can't wait until we can sell them in a little video section. It will satisfy some of the people that are looking for us when we are offline. Do you think in time they will have a store that allows the selling of physical goods? Tell them to hurry up with the pay section. LOL




To answer BigNerd, they review the videos hardcore. The tiniest detail can be rejected.
I haven't seen other models videos but one and it was as cool slideshow about her goldshows. I don't have time to watch videos but it was a wonderful selling idea, pictures into videos instead of a gallery they can easily copy and paste, this is why I only update profile picture.


Since I have the free, I did ask the paid version as Jane suggest and I am told once again its in Beta, not yet offered, hasn't been tested enough.
It was confirmed as well there is no sign of free video going anywhere. Pay is something they are working on.

temptingmodel
05-31-2014, 10:51 PM
lol idk think lol they go that far. It will be like getting offline tips lol
I can't wait until we can sell them in a little video section. It will satisfy some of the people that are looking for us when we are offline. Do you think in time they will have a store that allows the selling of physical goods? Tell them to hurry up with the pay section. LOL

Nocturnelle
06-01-2014, 12:34 AM
Can guys change their ratings after they leave? I only received one rating tonight and it was after a great show.. Was extremely confused to see a 2 star rating. Check it nearly two hours later and it is showing as a 5??