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gingerstripper
09-06-2014, 10:30 PM
fank you :D

GlamourRouge
09-06-2014, 10:48 PM
However, I love SM and for me it has been better than ever.

People have been saying SM is going downhill ever since I started camming 2 years ago. Actually, after reading CC thoroughly, they have been saying that for quite a while now. lol

Same here. Its better for me than ever and I usually stay within the top 2 rows or so when logged in.

justanothercamgirl
09-06-2014, 11:13 PM
I have to agree with this. I never post when I do well on SM because it'll be between posts that are of girls complaining how they haven't made anything. I posted once when I got a $160 tip in the bragging thread and that was it. I like and respect a lot of the girls here and I don't want to come off as cocky or offend them.

However, I love SM and for me it has been better than ever.

People have been saying SM is going downhill ever since I started camming 2 years ago. Actually, after reading CC thoroughly, they have been saying that for quite a while now. lol

I hate to ask such a stupid question.....but I am totally confused why you and other girls don't post how well they are doing in the 'Camming Rocks' thread. I mean, I thought that was the thread where bragging was encouraged?

(*scratches head*)

I mean, I see girls post all the time about how well they are doing on Streamate.

Issabelle
09-06-2014, 11:14 PM
yeah. I am a top model on sm. I was thinking mfc since I am hyper active. I need some excitement in my cam life. lol.
I also have a reg that always has my back no matter what. and so financially I am okay.... but I want to keep making good money on sm. since its my main site..
I was thinking pvts and exclusives. what should my rates be? maybe one gold show a day or something? Maybe I am getting bored.. cause gold shows take forever to get.

You'd probably be good for MFC. I've seen how you hustle a room--you'd be awesome at that site.

I dunno what prices you'd wanna charge. Most of us figure out what to charge for gold shows based on our current per minute rate, so maybe do the opposite? Like, I just did my first ever (non-voyeur) gold show on SM as an 'oh, what the hell?' kind of experiment. Based on my rates, for a 5 minute show with a 6 minute countdown, I needed like 70 gold to break even with my regular rates. For you, I'd say take what you normally make in a day (before the SM cut) and the number of hours you work each day to figure out a ball park. I know other top models on SM near you tend to charge $8-12 per minute so... yeah. Maybe start in there? You have a large enough fan base to get away with charging a high rate out of the gate.

P.S. Try asking Ivy. She's been playing back and forth with her gold show to privates ratio recently and she's close to you in placement. She'd probably be excellent help. :)

justanothercamgirl
09-06-2014, 11:19 PM
The site is still very good for many girls, just all of them stopped posting about it because they always get told things like they are bragging, lying, exaggerating, or put on a different server that has traffic, when its just not true. So what you are seeing posted is a very one-sided (and negative) version of what its really like. Just remember that is only one side to the reality of the site.

I do think what you are seeing is that a.) there are more girls than ever, and b.) if you don't have regulars, it means the money pie is cut into a lot smaller pieces for every girl who does not have regulars. But this will happen to any and every site. I mean look at MFC. Do you think the girls in the first 5 rows would continue to stay on there if their regulars disappeared? Nope. Their cam scores would be like 2,000, if even that.

You keep saying this statement but I must admit, I've never seen anyone ever say anything like that statement here on Stripperweb

I remember when girls were complaining that they were on glitchy servers and other girls were telling them that they weren't having glitches at all and therefore it had to be their computers/setups. The glitches eventually did started to effect more and more girls as Streamate began changing its entire code base to the new front end that they have today.

This makes sense because you can't roll out a major code change without glitches.

That is something completely different than saying that other girls are being put on servers with traffic.

Thymian
09-06-2014, 11:28 PM
I am totally confused why you and other girls don't post how well they are doing in the 'Camming Rocks' thread. I mean, I thought that was the thread where bragging was encouraged?

Some don't feel the need? I'm not trying to be catty but I don't see how you can't understand that someone can do something and not feel the need to broadcast it.

justanothercamgirl
09-06-2014, 11:34 PM
Some don't feel the need? I'm not trying to be catty but I don't see how you can't understand that someone can do something and not feel the need to broadcast it.

I can completely understand that some don't feel the need but that is a completely different situation than if some girls are feeling bullied and feel that they are unable to post about it all. Does that make sense?

I guess it just hurts my heart that any of the girls on Stripperweb would feel like outcasts. I just want to see all the bbs to succeed and feel encouraged and supported. :D

Thymian
09-06-2014, 11:40 PM
I can completely understand that some don't feel the need but that is a completely different situation than if some girls are feeling bullied.

I guess it just hurts my heart that any of the girls on Stripperweb would feel like outcasts. I just want to see all the bbs to succeed and feel encouraged and supported. :D

I think in that case, it's more that it's hard for some to crow about success when others are down on their luck. While some might take it as inspiration (as i think you do, JAC, which is awesome) others may take it as salt in the wound (especially when working in burnout conditions). But no one is beholden to brag, which is what it sounded like you were saying. And if you want examples of what some may have perceived as bullying, I can point you to some locked threads, even though I was not personally involved.

It does seem posting what looks like above-average earnings is a bit of a lightening rod.

justanothercamgirl
09-06-2014, 11:44 PM
I think in that case, it's more that it's hard for some to crow about success when others are down on their luck. While some might take it as inspiration others may take it as salt in the wound. But no one is beholden to brag, which is what it sounded like you were saying. And if you want examples of what some may have perceived as bullying, I can point you to some locked threads, even though I was not personally involved. It does seem posting what looks like above-average earnings is a bit of a lightening rod.

There is no need, love! I will completely take your word on it.

You'll have to forgive my being so naive. I am a bit of a bleeding heart. I guess it is just that I am always here wishing everyone the best and trying to help them the best I can.....so I guess it is just hard for me to truly understand why someone wouldn't feel happy about another camgirl's success. :(

SpaceyLaceyButterfacey
09-07-2014, 12:07 AM
I hate to ask such a stupid question.....but I am totally confused why you and other girls don't post how well they are doing in the 'Camming Rocks' thread. I mean, I thought that was the thread where bragging was encouraged?

(*scratches head*)

I mean, I see girls post all the time about how well they are doing on Streamate.


I'm not sure. Maybe it's my modesty? Or some other weird personal thing. I always feel weird when I brag, even in the bragging thread. lol

tropo
09-07-2014, 12:09 AM
I don't know if this matters, but this was my third Aug camming. Each year Aug was the calm before the storm. Last Aug I thought it was the end of the world and my cam career was over. But it got better and a lot better at that. Maybe it is teh transition of school starting and that added expense? Idk, there seems to be no Rhyme or reason in the cam world.

This is good to hear and gives me some hope... This is my first year on SM, and my first August. I started in February.

SarahTime
09-07-2014, 12:10 AM
I think we've probably all (most of us) felt like the site was "going down hill" at some point or another. I have been pretty open about my ups and downs with Streamate, but after a lot of reflection I honestly can say that any time I was having one of those really rough patches where my hourly was slashed in half, it was my own fault. Yah, I know the site has glitches for sure and sometimes traffic is awful. But I'm talking about long streaks where things are just REALLY BAD. Every time I get into one of those funks where I'm thinking "what the hell is going on" I always look back later and can see that it was most likely due to my own issues.

For instance, I get burnt out and then I get an attitude and I'm less patient with people. I'm more bitchy and less friendly. Guys can pick up on subtle things that we might not even know we are expressing. When I get burnt out, I work a lot less which means I'm inconstant and it takes a while for me to get back into the groove, and for my regulars to realize I'm back to my normal hours, or I have to build up the energy and motivation to put in the hours that are needed to have those really great weeks.

I also find that when I'm online ALL the time, doing the same thing day after day, I start to get less shows and I think it's because I'm ALWAYS there. Kind of like I oversaturate myself or something. That's something else to think about for people like gingerstripper who are online pretty much every single day, I know we log on a lot because we need the money but is staying online for hours every single day doing gold show after gold show better than logging on less but pulling great shifts? These guys need to miss us a little bit! It's hard to find a balance between the right amount of hours, and too many hours.

Anyway, I guess my point is don't be afraid to look to yourself to solve the problems you're experiencing. It's hard, I know. For a while I refused to believe my issues on Streamate had anything to do with me, but they did! Maybe that's not always the case, but I think it is the case a lot more often than we really like to believe. Who wants to believe they are their own problem? Pretty much no one. But, it's a great thing to be able to take an honest look at yourself and make improvements that you CAN control, rather than put yourself in this mindset that the site just sucks and all this is happening TO you.

tropo
09-07-2014, 12:15 AM
There is no need, love! I will completely take your word on it.

You'll have to forgive my being so naive. I am a bit of a bleeding heart. I guess it is just that I am always here wishing everyone the best and trying to help them the best I can.....so I guess it is just hard for me to truly understand why someone wouldn't feel happy about another camgirl's success. :(

I agree. I'm happy to hear about how well others are doing on SM because that tells me that there's still hope on the site and it's not totally dead. That's a very good thing.

The reason I've logged back on here recently is to find out if others are finding the going tough, or if it is just me. If it is just me, then I know there's something up with me and I need to find out the reason.

There are always champions on every site. Even the deadest of dead sites have some girls making good money. We need to make the assessment by seeing how the more average models are doing.

tropo
09-07-2014, 12:28 AM
I think we've probably all (most of us) felt like the site was "going down hill" at some point or another. I have been pretty open about my ups and downs with Streamate, but after a lot of reflection I honestly can say that any time I was having one of those really rough patches where my hourly was slashed in half, it was my own fault. Yah, I know the site has glitches for sure and sometimes traffic is awful. But I'm talking about long streaks where things are just REALLY BAD. Every time I get into one of those funks where I'm thinking "what the hell is going on" I always look back later and can see that it was most likely due to my own issues.

For instance, I get burnt out and then I get an attitude and I'm less patient with people. I'm more bitchy and less friendly. Guys can pick up on subtle things that we might not even know we are expressing. When I get burnt out, I work a lot less which means I'm inconstant and it takes a while for me to get back into the groove, and for my regulars to realize I'm back to my normal hours, or I have to build up the energy and motivation to put in the hours that are needed to have those really great weeks.

I also find that when I'm online ALL the time, doing the same thing day after day, I start to get less shows and I think it's because I'm ALWAYS there. Kind of like I oversaturate myself or something. That's something else to think about for people like gingerstripper who are online pretty much every single day, I know we log on a lot because we need the money but is staying online for hours every single day doing gold show after gold show better than logging on less but pulling great shifts? These guys need to miss us a little bit! It's hard to find a balance between the right amount of hours, and too many hours.

Anyway, I guess my point is don't be afraid to look to yourself to solve the problems you're experiencing. It's hard, I know. For a while I refused to believe my issues on Streamate had anything to do with me, but they did! Maybe that's not always the case, but I think it is the case a lot more often than we really like to believe. Who wants to believe they are their own problem? Pretty much no one. But, it's a great thing to be able to take an honest look at yourself and make improvements that you CAN control, rather than put yourself in this mindset that the site just sucks and all this is happening TO you.

I understand what you're saying and I've always been aware of saturation... that's why I usually only work 4 days a week. I'd rather work 4 long days than 6 shorter days.

But I've been consistent for about 9 years (next month). I work 5 sites at once right now and SM is the only one that has significantly fallen off. Of course SM was more prone to decline as it was always the best of my 5 sites. My overall income is still acceptable, but before I could rely on SM to pull me out of a slow night. If the other sites are slow, then I really feel it if SM is also slow.

GlamourRouge
09-07-2014, 12:59 AM
But I've been consistent for about 9 years (next month). I work 5 sites at once right now and SM is the only one that has significantly fallen off.

That's because everyone pushes every girl to sign up for Streamate and now there is a smaller piece of the pie for every girl that hasn't built up years of regulars. The same thing happened to MFC actually, and before it happened to Streamate.

tropo
09-07-2014, 05:31 AM
That's because everyone pushes every girl to sign up for Streamate and now there is a smaller piece of the pie for every girl that hasn't built up years of regulars. The same thing happened to MFC actually, and before it happened to Streamate.

What time frame are we talking about though? I started in February this year, so I don't have much history to compare with.

I wasn't pushed into signing up. I was looking for a new site and after reading about it on here I decided to join up. Due to the very low 30% payout and a 3 week delay on payout, I was hesitant, but I became pleasantly surprised after experiencing good traffic and a reasonable income over the first 5 months, I don't rely on regulars. Sure, they are nice to have, but they come and go, and I don't like to rely on them.

IvyRose
09-07-2014, 05:41 AM
^I think that is what GlamourRouge is talking about "you read it on here"... When new girls ask which site to try out they get adviced alot to go to streamate..

Whoregeous
09-07-2014, 06:54 AM
This may be random but I don't read or post in the 'Camming Rocks' thread. I feel pressured when I do read then I would do terribly on cam. It does nothing for me. I enjoy reading the 'Camming Sucks' thread before I work because it relaxes me, I feel no pressure then the money just comes rolling in. I KNOW I'm not the only one feeling this way!

I hate to ask such a stupid question.....but I am totally confused why you and other girls don't post how well they are doing in the 'Camming Rocks' thread. I mean, I thought that was the thread where bragging was encouraged?

(*scratches head*)

I mean, I see girls post all the time about how well they are doing on Streamate.

MiraMichele
09-07-2014, 07:08 AM
This may be random but I don't read or post in the 'Camming Rocks' thread. I feel pressured when I do read then I would do terribly on cam. It does nothing for me. I enjoy reading the 'Camming Sucks' thread before I work because it relaxes me, I feel no pressure then the money just comes rolling in. I KNOW I'm not the only one feeling this way!

I feel similar. I don't know that my reasons are the same as yours, I really don't know my reasons but it doesn't really help me either. I've took a look in the thread a few times but it just doesn't interest or help me so I don't post there either. Great for the girls it does help and I'm not a downer in any way but I also prefer the camming sucks thread, haha. Maybe it also intimidates me lol :) I might try posting there after I have a good day and I might really like it, who knows, maybe that day will be today.

Whoregeous
09-07-2014, 07:13 AM
You are not a downer, you're just being honest ;D
Yay for the 'Camming Sucks' thread, lol!

I feel similar. I don't know that my reasons are the same as yours, I really don't know my reasons but it doesn't really help me either. I've took a look in the thread a few times but it just doesn't interest or help me so I don't post there either. Great for the girls it does help and I'm not a downer in any way but I also prefer the camming sucks thread, haha. Maybe it also intimidates me lol :) I might try posting there after I have a good day and I might really like it, who knows, maybe that day will be today.

PlayfulLilGirl
09-07-2014, 08:33 AM
Is there someone i can speak to on the phone for streamate?

Whoregeous
09-07-2014, 08:45 AM
No, SM only do email.

Is there someone i can speak to on the phone for streamate?

anonymous camgirl
09-07-2014, 09:29 AM
Bunch of fuckin' Negative Nancy's in here.. haha .. j/k,,... I like the camming sucks thread also.. I don't even look at the other one on a daily basis.. I wanna hear how shitty everyone is doing lol....


You are not a downer, you're just being honest ;D
Yay for the 'Camming Sucks' thread, lol!

AliceFun
09-07-2014, 09:56 AM
^^^ Honest answer here too: i rarely read the 'camming rocks' because is intimidating & makes me feel bad about myself not having the luck others have or not being able to work as hard. In the 'camming sucks' thread i can relate to the people posting, i give encouragement or receive it from others, it feels 'home' lol, when i do good on cam i still feel i belong to the camming sucks thread but with a bit of added luck.
Writing this now put a smile on my face & made me feel good, i dont think i was aware till now about why and how and reasons, it feels natural to seek the company of people from same 'social level', if u have great success u really dont feel good between 'low income people' and opposite, if u doing not that great u feel frustrated between successful people. Is the same in real life, similar people with similar social condition seek the company of their kind. Exceptions happen but they determine the rule.

SoloDesire
09-07-2014, 11:22 AM
^ Very well said. I have to agree :)

kortneykay
09-07-2014, 12:08 PM
@ginger, I was wondering why you left MFC in the first place? I remember you working there before you joined up on SM an thought you'd split the two somehow. Perhaps going back would be a good thing for all of your old regulars there?

As for the camming rocks vs. camming sucks thread; I rarely if never post in the camming sucks thread. I feel it gives me bad juju. However, both threads help me as I use them both to give me an idea of how camming might be that day. When I log on SW whichever one is higher in the list of bumped threads (or replied to the most) tends to be the winner for the day for me. I still enjoy proving myself wrong that it isn't sucking even when a lot of girls say otherwise. It's like a game to me. As for bragging, well, I tend to do that but I've scaled down a bit. I'm still very much motivated by other people's success (as well as my own) and I like putting affirmations into my life in visual form but it doesn't have to be daily. Sometimes its better for me to accept that I'm going to do well and not necessarily shocked, surprised, or excited if I do. If you work hard you should expect to be compensated well, you know, get used to this cheddar :D

SimoneGray
09-07-2014, 12:11 PM
Streamate + NFL = Enraged camgirl. I swear its raining all over my SM Sunday parade.

GlamourRouge
09-07-2014, 12:15 PM
Yeah I don't read Camming Rocks or Camming Sucks because I feel like my time online is never parallel to anyone else's time online camming. So I just feel like I don't want to skew my perceptions about cam time that day, and just let whatever happen, happen.

audreymadison
09-07-2014, 03:35 PM
I read both the Camming Rocks and Camming Sucks pages, BUT only after I have worked, that way I don't jinx myself lol. I post in both too, bc we all have bad days and good days. I like feeling better with company when it sucks, and I like celebrating with you ladies when camming is awesome!

gingerstripper
09-07-2014, 04:08 PM
yeah im burnt out. i started going through this funk about.. erm..2 weeks ago. I am stressed do to buying my first home and I think thats adding to it. I am running around all the time with my head cut off trying to get the place. i think next week i sign and get the keys.. im just so anxious lately.... and i woke 6 days a week cause well isnt your placement on how many hours you work? I lately I have been just wanting to hang out. I havent wanted to do any type of show. Maybe this is why. I try to get away with little as possible. Maybe I need to start doing shows again... actually trying. I admit.. I havent been trying my hardest. I am too nervous to do pvts or exclusives .. and i have no idea why. i use to do them. monday I am gonna force myself to do one again. and see how i feel. I am thinking about going back to mfc though. because I like to party.. im hyperactive.. love to hang out.

@sarah Youre completely right. I have been thinking about things a lot lately. the problem is me. when i actually try i do well.. i havent been trying simply because I have a sugar daddy who has my back.. i think this is why. I actually just wait for him to get on home after work.
SO tomorrow. I am gonna do pvts. exclusives until 2 ish. this should give me plenty of time to make more than 30 dollars lol.
We all go through funks.. maybe I need to stop being so lazy and offer different things. or things i havent done before which makes me sooo nervous because im not sure what im doing half the time.

SarahTime
09-07-2014, 08:48 PM
^^ Noooo placement isn't JUST about how many hours you are online. If you're online hours and hours but never make much money, your placement will go down. It's a mix of many things, time online does weigh heavy but so does money made while you are online. Same as a cam score on MFC basically. So yah, never a good idea to stay online for a long time without making money.

I'm sure you'll get out of your funk soon! Whenever I get stressed or I get to this mindset where I just want to do as little as possible, I always see my earnings tank. Sounds like you've figured it out though! Good luck babe! And congrats on the house!!! :)

tropo
09-07-2014, 09:23 PM
^^ Noooo placement isn't JUST about how many hours you are online. If you're online hours and hours but never make much money, your placement will go down. It's a mix of many things, time online does weigh heavy but so does money made while you are online. Same as a cam score on MFC basically. So yah, never a good idea to stay online for a long time without making money.

I'm sure you'll get out of your funk soon! Whenever I get stressed or I get to this mindset where I just want to do as little as possible, I always see my earnings tank. Sounds like you've figured it out though! Good luck babe! And congrats on the house!!! :)

Are you sure about this? In the ranking section only time online is indicated among the various factors. One thing is for certain, you can't make any money if you're not online - busy or not.

I stay online for the duration of my shift. If I'm not making money, I'm certainly not going to log off to preserve my ranking. Because I'm in the Asian section it may not be as important because there's only a couple of pages of modes online at any time. (around 150 models or so). I actually have no idea where I'm positioned when I'm streaming because the site is blocked from my country.

Regarding position, here's a little story from AW. You can pay a small amount hourly ($1 - $2) to improve your position and get you onto the front page. The number of models online at any time is between 300+ and 500+. I have experimented by paying for front page placement numerous times. Normally I'm on the last pages as I don't offer free chat and that puts you at the back in placement.

Result: It reduces my income. Go figure. I know this sounds crazy, but I swear it's true.

Whenever I pay for position I don't get private. No kidding. I've been on the front page (paying) for 4 - 6 hours without privates, then went back to the last page and made money. Last week my payment put me at number one position on the front page. At the very best I get a few short privates which coveres my placement fee. AW is a fairly low traffic site compared to SM, so I'm not saying that this experience would be duplicated on SM, but it is interesting to consider.

Some of you girls may have a different experience, but I don't believe placement is as important as many make it out to be.

SarahTime
09-07-2014, 09:52 PM
Are you sure about this? In the ranking section only time online is indicated among the various factors. One thing is for certain, you can't make any money if you're not online - busy or not.

I stay online for the duration of my shift. If I'm not making money, I'm certainly not going to log off to preserve my ranking. Because I'm in the Asian section it may not be as important because there's only a couple of pages of modes online at any time. (around 150 models or so). I actually have no idea where I'm positioned when I'm streaming because the site is blocked from my country.

Regarding position, here's a little story from AW. You can pay a small amount hourly ($1 - $2) to improve your position and get you onto the front page. The number of models online at any time is between 300+ and 500+. I have experimented by paying for front page placement numerous times. Normally I'm on the last pages as I don't offer free chat and that puts you at the back in placement.

Result: It reduces my income. Go figure. I know this sounds crazy, but I swear it's true.

Whenever I pay for position I don't get private. No kidding. I've been on the front page (paying) for 4 - 6 hours without privates, then went back to the last page and made money. Last week my payment put me at number one position on the front page. At the very best I get a few short privates which coveres my placement fee. AW is a fairly low traffic site compared to SM, so I'm not saying that this experience would be duplicated on SM, but it is interesting to consider.

Some of you girls may have a different experience, but I don't believe placement is as important as many make it out to be.

LOL yes, I'm sure about this.

SM is not AW so comparing paying for placement on AW as opposed to working for it on SM... I don't even see the relationship. They are two completely different sites. Not to mention, I hear that AW customers very heavily favor British models.

I started typing a big long reply but honestly, I think it would end up pretty pointless.

IvyRose
09-08-2014, 12:44 AM
and i woke 6 days a week cause well isnt your placement on how many hours you work?
I worked 8 houres last week, and before that 4 houres a week for 2 weeks straight... So three weeks in a row working Very little, but I am still at first or second row frontpage. So online times isnt the highest factor in placement. Offcourse I did dropped but only a couple of places luckily.
So dont worry to much about the times spend online. Take care Ginger, somtimes it is more important to reload and get fresh energy than to sit it out and get even more burned out. Good luck with the house!

tropo
09-08-2014, 01:13 AM
LOL yes, I'm sure about this.

SM is not AW so comparing paying for placement on AW as opposed to working for it on SM... I don't even see the relationship. They are two completely different sites. Not to mention, I hear that AW customers very heavily favor British models.

I started typing a big long reply but honestly, I think it would end up pretty pointless.

Going by your reply it seems you missed my point.

I was using AW as an example of how front page placement did not increase my income. How I got to front page wasn't relevant to my little story... working for it or paying for it, it is still front page.

You are correct that most of the customers on AW are British. I don't see the relevance of nationality in this.

As I said, it may or may not be relevant to SM, but not for the reasons you just made... and I wouldn't be so quick to rule it out either.

IvyRose
09-08-2014, 02:43 AM
It is not relevant to sm, at leasts for me higher placement has Always brought me more traffic- more income. But you dont necc need high placement to bank!!!

tropo
09-08-2014, 03:01 AM
It is not relevant to sm, at leasts for me higher placement has Always brought me more traffic- more income. But you dont necc need high placement to bank!!!

Do customers who have added you as a favourite get to see you at the top?

AliceFun
09-08-2014, 04:16 AM
We are in the SM thread tropo so we talking about what is relevant on SM, AW is a total different story, AW site is built different, have different features & different members plus yes, the site favors british models, it's a formula that takes into consideration where the member on site logs from (his location) so he'll see certain models at 1st, if he logs in from US he'll see americans 1st.

Anyway, Sarah is right, in 4 years working SM i figured out how things work, the more u stay online w.o making money the 'deeper' u go in placement & the chances to make money gets lower. It feels like all doors are closing when some time passed by without income, it's ideal to log off & try later on if possible or just another site or try next day, depending on personal situation.

Of course, if u are a studio girl u just cant log off, u need to stay online for the entire shift no matter what, also if u splitcam u might not care that much about sm placement as u have chances to make money from other sites as well so if it's not working on sm it could work on others, the options are wider.

I observed on SM, if i start a shift with some tips or pvt's my chances for a good night are higher, if my shift starts slow then chances are smaller. I am not a top girl but average earner, i am on 1st page middle/ bottom or 2nd page up/ middle depending who is online, when i get online & how much money i am making. Also, i dont work long hrs, 3-4 at a time so for me is either hit or miss as i dont stay on long enough to 'catch more waves of customers' lol.

I agree with the MFC camscore theory that applies to SM, u just dont see the camscore but there in our files on site it's present, it's just hidden for models to see :).

Bambola
09-08-2014, 04:27 AM
I love it read camming rocks because for me help for motivation a lot when i read someone have a great day in camming,also read camming sucks sometimes..

anonymous camgirl
09-08-2014, 05:12 AM
I have also noticed that when you get a bad rating.. say 1 star you get knocked down a few... I swear to god this is like a video game.. no wonder I don't play video games..lol


We are in the SM thread tropo so we talking about what is relevant on SM, AW is a total different story, AW site is built different, have different features & different members plus yes, the site favors british models, it's a formula that takes into consideration where the member on site logs from (his location) so he'll see certain models at 1st, if he logs in from US he'll see americans 1st.

Anyway, Sarah is right, in 4 years working SM i figured out how things work, the more u stay online w.o making money the 'deeper' u go in placement & the chances to make money gets lower. It feels like all doors are closing when some time passed by without income, it's ideal to log off & try later on if possible or just another site or try next day, depending on personal situation.

Of course, if u are a studio girl u just cant log off, u need to stay online for the entire shift no matter what, also if u splitcam u might not care that much about sm placement as u have chances to make money from other sites as well so if it's not working on sm it could work on others, the options are wider.

I observed on SM, if i start a shift with some tips or pvt's my chances for a good night are higher, if my shift starts slow then chances are smaller. I am not a top girl but average earner, i am on 1st page middle/ bottom or 2nd page up/ middle depending who is online, when i get online & how much money i am making. Also, i dont work long hrs, 3-4 at a time so for me is either hit or miss as i dont stay on long enough to 'catch more waves of customers' lol.

I agree with the MFC camscore theory that applies to SM, u just dont see the camscore but there in our files on site it's present, it's just hidden for models to see :).

SoloDesire
09-08-2014, 05:39 AM
As far as my placement goes, I notice it is higher when I am consistent with my shifts (like being on every day I schedule) and only staying on for a small amount of hours (3-4) at a time. So if I make good money in those few hours, good for me! If I don't make good money, then it doesn't hurt me too much because I'm not staying on for 8 hours with no money coming in, but I'm still online for a bit.

Yes, be consistent...but don't do long hours making very little money :) That's just what I've noticed for myself.

AliceFun
09-08-2014, 05:53 AM
I have also noticed that when you get a bad rating.. say 1 star you get knocked down a few... I swear to god this is like a video game.. no wonder I don't play video games..lol

Indeed bad ratings affect a lot too, i forgot to mention this.

SarahTime
09-08-2014, 12:38 PM
Going by your reply it seems you missed my point.

I was using AW as an example of how front page placement did not increase my income. How I got to front page wasn't relevant to my little story... working for it or paying for it, it is still front page.

You are correct that most of the customers on AW are British. I don't see the relevance of nationality in this.

As I said, it may or may not be relevant to SM, but not for the reasons you just made... and I wouldn't be so quick to rule it out either.

I'm not missing any points here.

Saying that paying for front page placement on AW didn't increase your income, and comparing that to Streamate, isn't a fair comparison by any means. The reason I brought up the fact that AW traffic caters to British models is because of the fact that.... AW traffic caters to British models.... So if you pay to have first page placement on AW, yet you are not a British model, it's most likely going to be money wasted because most of the traffic there is looking for British models.

Either way, this is the SM thread. Yes, I am certain that staying online hours at a time and not making much is going to tank your placement. I rarely, RARELY ever work more than 12-15 hours per week. I consider 20 to be like "WOW I worked so many hours!" And I am currently as of this week in row 1-2. But, that is for the fact that I make good money in the time that I'm online. So yah, money made is a huge factor, as well as time online both. There are many things impacting placement. These are just two of those things. Ratings are also huge, as soon as my rating average jumped into the "excellent" score, my placement went up a lot.

I've heard lots of people say they "bank" when not on the first page, and that's great! "Banking" is extremely relative. What is "banking" to one model might not be to another. However, it's pretty much a given that the higher placed you are on Streamate the more money you are going to make, and in a shorter period of time. If I'm online for 6 hours in row 1, I'm most likely going to make more money than a model on page 2 that is online for 6 hours. A model online on page 2 for 6 hours is going to most likely make more money than a model online on page 3 for 6 hours, and so on. Even being in row 5 of page one as compared to row 2 of page one, I have a very noticeable decline in traffic. Traffic = money. More traffic, more opportunities to make money.

Cam site economics 101.

audritwo
09-08-2014, 12:45 PM
So I got this message on SM... I was wondering what the fuck is this about.

Hi my name is Tara and I work for Tiffany Company Casting. I love your profile and would like to see if you are interested in a very special project. Please see casting notice below. I would love to hear from you.

Thank you,

Tara Raucci


CASTING!!! Real Couples for a Documentary
Pay is $1,000 per couple

Tiffany Company Casting is looking for interesting, open couple to share their sexual world with us for a beautiful documentary designed to tastefully and artistically share the world of sex with the viewer.

Shoot dates are September 16th - 21st and a possible pick up day in late October.

We cast commercials and projects at the highest level. Please take a moment to look at our website at tiffanycompanycasting.com. We would love to hear from you to share more about the project.

The shoot and interview would take place in the couples own home.

***We are looking for couples in their 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, 50’s, 60’s and 70’s.

We will be casting 10 couples.

ANY ETHNICITY… ***WE ESPECIALLY NEED AFRICAN AMERICAN, HISPANIC AND OTHER COUPES OF COLOR***

PREFERABLY NO TATTOOS, BUT SUBMIT ANYWAY AND WE WILL MAKE A FINAL DECISION...

NON-MODEL TYPES. Everyday people.

COUPLES REMAIN ANONYMOUS!!

Here is a link to the Directors website
http://love.xxx

Looking forward to speaking with you directly.

Issabelle
09-08-2014, 03:50 PM
@Audri. I googled the first two paragraphs or so of the casting 'listing' and found it on Craigslist Los Angeles and some forum for a Portland club. I'm guessing they may have sent it to girls who regularly do couples shows on SM as well, since you do them and they must assume that makes you a good candidate for couples documentaries.

I'll be honest--documentary just sounds like 'we want cheap porn' to me, but I'm a pessimist.

h0ttie
09-08-2014, 09:40 PM
is it just me or is sm down??? :((( lol

Blovely
09-08-2014, 09:46 PM
^^^I'm online right now, its fine for me.

pippapippa
09-08-2014, 09:46 PM
It's working for me.

h0ttie
09-08-2014, 09:48 PM
^^ thanksss idk whats going on with my computer sorry if i made anyone panic lol

Scarlet_Sweetie
09-08-2014, 09:49 PM
No I was having trouble on SM too, just dropped the feed and then the site wouldn't load.