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UnicornTurds
09-21-2014, 03:49 PM
Who is Liz? :O

Oh & PS I just reread their reply to me and I glazed over this part:

"Storing and streaming these videos take a lot of resources, which are covered by the earnings the clips generate. This service helps increase the quality of our site, and was not introduced for profit purposes."

So, no, I don't get paid for it. I have no idea if I opted into this somehow, but this is bullshit. >:(


It was not introduced for profit purposes? I'm sorry, I thought that I was supposed to earn money in return for me showing my hooha to strangers? :O

And if SM is spending most of the clip revenue on storage and streaming of those same clips... is this their idea of a public service or something? Because I really don't see it as an effective method for encouraging more people to spend money on shows. Those who are interested in a personalized, live show wouldn't bother with the $2.99 video in the first place, as I see it.

JaneBurgess
09-21-2014, 03:49 PM
WTF? I am not sure how you could have opted in for this. Was it a Gold show?



Who is Liz? :O

Oh & PS I just reread their reply to me and I glazed over this part:

"Storing and streaming these videos take a lot of resources, which are covered by the earnings the clips generate. This service helps increase the quality of our site, and was not introduced for profit purposes."

So, no, I don't get paid for it. I have no idea if I opted into this somehow, but this is bullshit. >:(

pinkpink
09-21-2014, 03:54 PM
It was not introduced for profit purposes? I'm sorry, I thought that I was supposed to earn money in return for me showing my hooha to strangers? :O

And if SM is spending most of the clip revenue on storage and streaming of those same clips... is this their idea of a public service or something? Because I really don't see it as an effective method for encouraging more people to spend money on shows. Those who are interested in a personalized, live show wouldn't bother with the $2.99 video in the first place, as I see it.

EXACTLY I had someone in my room who was talking to me, came back later and said he enjoyed the video and then bye. Like, I earned NOTHING from this customer because of SM! I'm fuming right now.


WTF? I am not sure how you could have opted in for this. Was it a Gold show?

Pretty sure, yes. I can't watch it. It pisses me off that there's this video and I have no idea what's in it.

Blovely
09-21-2014, 04:40 PM
Then today someone says "Loved your video!" and said he watched it today but I don't see any earnings for it. I was annoyed they priced the vid so low but wait, are they selling a vid of me and not giving me a cut?

Yes that is exactly what they're doing. They record shows, sell them, and we don't get a cut. Its not fair but that's one of the many things you/we have to deal with when it comes to SM and many camsites.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-21-2014, 04:44 PM
Really? Yea okay

39047

Smurfette
09-21-2014, 04:58 PM
^^ lol I got that exact same guy today

CurvyWinona
09-21-2014, 05:07 PM
lol I had same text of tipping yesterday.

justanothercamgirl
09-21-2014, 05:51 PM
Who is Liz? :O

Oh & PS I just reread their reply to me and I glazed over this part:

"Storing and streaming these videos take a lot of resources, which are covered by the earnings the clips generate. This service helps increase the quality of our site, and was not introduced for profit purposes."

So, no, I don't get paid for it. I have no idea if I opted into this somehow, but this is bullshit. >:(

My guess is this is why they made girls resign their contact with Streamate a few months back. I remember we were all discussing how they added a new clause that said they own all the rights to all our videos and images.

JackAlexander
09-21-2014, 06:39 PM
Is this new or just new to me? I tried to search SW and found nothing unless I searched incorrectly. I got hte from SM Support


"SUBJECT: FREE VIDEOS - GALLERY TOOLS - LIMITED BETA
Attachments:
Free Videos - Gallery Tools - LIMITED BETA (Page 1).jpg (0.39 MB), Free Videos - Gallery Tools - LIMITED BETA (Page 2).jpg (0.42 MB)
Hello,

Your account has been selected to help us BETA test the new free video gallery tool for Streamatemodels.

Please review the attached jpgs for instructions on how to create and upload new videos.

Please note the following guidelines when creating videos:
*Below the waist nudity is not allowed
*No music is allowed in recorded videos
*Maximum video size is currently set to 512mb

These videos will viewed by users exactly the same way your current photo galleries are.

This feature is not yet ready for full rollout and you have been selected to take part in a very limited Beta so we need to hear your thoughts on the new system! If you have any feedback please include type and size of video you uploaded and use the "Contact Us" form under the "Support" menu on your login page. Select the subject "Feedback on New Features" to make sure we see it! You can also use this form to submit questions or get help using this new feature.

Thank you!"

Do they really want to hear my thoughts on doing things for free? I guess I can record myself in FC and post that lol, but wait, I at least get tipped in FC.

justanothercamgirl
09-21-2014, 07:07 PM
Is this new or just new to me? I tried to search SW and found nothing unless I searched incorrectly. I got hte from SM Support


"SUBJECT: FREE VIDEOS - GALLERY TOOLS - LIMITED BETA
Attachments:
Free Videos - Gallery Tools - LIMITED BETA (Page 1).jpg (0.39 MB), Free Videos - Gallery Tools - LIMITED BETA (Page 2).jpg (0.42 MB)
Hello,

Your account has been selected to help us BETA test the new free video gallery tool for Streamatemodels.

Please review the attached jpgs for instructions on how to create and upload new videos.

Please note the following guidelines when creating videos:
*Below the waist nudity is not allowed
*No music is allowed in recorded videos
*Maximum video size is currently set to 512mb

These videos will viewed by users exactly the same way your current photo galleries are.

This feature is not yet ready for full rollout and you have been selected to take part in a very limited Beta so we need to hear your thoughts on the new system! If you have any feedback please include type and size of video you uploaded and use the "Contact Us" form under the "Support" menu on your login page. Select the subject "Feedback on New Features" to make sure we see it! You can also use this form to submit questions or get help using this new feature.

Thank you!"

Do they really want to hear my thoughts on doing things for free? I guess I can record myself in FC and post that lol, but wait, I at least get tipped in FC.

From what I've heard on Stripperweb from other girls.....they started hitting camgirls up about the beta video thing months ago. I just got hit up a little while ago too so I think they are getting to the middle-bottom of the list since the majority of camgirls have already said, "Hell no!"

luscious sadie
09-21-2014, 07:25 PM
Yes that is exactly what they're doing. They record shows, sell them, and we don't get a cut. Its not fair but that's one of the many things you/we have to deal with when it comes to SM and many camsites.

This has been going on for years. I had one on my previous profile and it was horrible. No can't take it down. Ugh. It's not new, tho I thought they had stopped doing it.... it seemed to just be the "luck of the draw" before.

Staples
09-21-2014, 07:31 PM
I'll be honest, I haven't cammed on SM in like 3 weeks because of another site but I still make money every time I log in. It's still a good site for me despite some of the drawbacks.

brittany_bitch
09-21-2014, 11:34 PM
Sm is not going anywhere anytime soon I remember when I started alot were saying it would be gone soon and next year we will see the same I will give sm my all for however long they are here I remain dedicated because the site is and has always been the best for me even on slow days things even out. I think sm will still be here when I am like 50 or I hope so cause I think i will have mad milf/gilf skills but jeez the thought of what will be updated by then aghh lol. I love u sw and I love all of u ladies and i love u sm mwaa :)
Thanks for my hourly back sm love it and lets try to to be positive even if we hate the site lets just try to speak more positively and maybe we will get that back in return i do not like my videos being sold for free but I have sold my soul to sm at this point so it is what happens.

Glamourmilf
09-21-2014, 11:45 PM
^^^ AGREED!!! Let the Choir sing.... Amen!39049

kortneykay
09-22-2014, 12:23 AM
BAH! I can't even get a friggin' pvt/exl. I really hope SM fixes this issue soon. Too many of my regs and new guys can't even go pvt and when they try they don't appear and then they leave. Ugh. Praying to the SM Gods and keeping positive!

euaici
09-22-2014, 02:08 AM
hm...so this is why it's soooo quiet?

SimoneGray
09-22-2014, 02:24 AM
^^ I had the same issue with my last shift on there...some if my regs even sent me messages after saying that they would see me whenever :(. guys are picking up on these glitches and are refusing to risk getting charged for shows that they will not get.

justanothercamgirl
09-22-2014, 08:09 AM
Sm is not going anywhere anytime soon I remember when I started alot were saying it would be gone soon and next year we will see the same I will give sm my all for however long they are here I remain dedicated because the site is and has always been the best for me even on slow days things even out. I think sm will still be here when I am like 50 or I hope so cause I think i will have mad milf/gilf skills but jeez the thought of what will be updated by then aghh lol. I love u sw and I love all of u ladies and i love u sm mwaa :)
Thanks for my hourly back sm love it and lets try to to be positive even if we hate the site lets just try to speak more positively and maybe we will get that back in return i do not like my videos being sold for free but I have sold my soul to sm at this point so it is what happens.

I am forever confused why people think that discussing things that are truly worth discussing (that SM is selling videos of us without paying us a dime for it) is considered 'negative'.

I've sold my soul to SM a long time ago just like you but just because I've sold them my soul doesn't mean that I am also required to eat their shit with a smile. ;)

angelbby
09-22-2014, 09:58 AM
im about to sign up for SM im wondering what a good rate to start at is? I was thinking 3.99/4.99 im small but a little bit curvy with a little bit of a belly since I had a baby. but im 19 and shy lol

Hey I'm a shy girl too! i had rates from 2.99 all the way up to 5.99. I get more shows around the 3.99 mark, n im curvy, w a little belly (no kids)... i like to think of myself as the silent teaser because i dont know what to say sometimes, i just tease but not too much or they wont take you private. Guys likes ALL kinds of personalities, you will most likely attract the shy ones or the ones who's into shy girls ;)

beauvoir
09-22-2014, 10:24 AM
The numbers next to a guy's username for paid indication aren'tshowing up...

angelbby
09-22-2014, 11:52 AM
hey how long does it take to get a streamate check in ontario canada? I live on the border but I have a us bank (i am a us citizen n etc) but its so much of a inconvience for me to go across the border to pick up my check.. how long does it take to get here?

AngelMari
09-22-2014, 12:00 PM
EXACTLY I had someone in my room who was talking to me, came back later and said he enjoyed the video and then bye. Like, I earned NOTHING from this customer because of SM! I'm fuming right now.



Pretty sure, yes. I can't watch it. It pisses me off that there's this video and I have no idea what's in it.


Never done a gold show and never will.

justanothercamgirl
09-22-2014, 01:26 PM
The numbers next to a guy's username for paid indication aren'tshowing up...

I noticed that too with some of my regs. I thought I was going crazy! Thanks so much for posting this.

JaneBurgess
09-22-2014, 02:08 PM
I don't think they meant it would be gone, I think they meant it would be like ImLive or ifriends which used to have a ton of traffic. Many top sites lost a ton of traffic over the years and were replaced with better sites. Happens all the time.



Sm is not going anywhere anytime soon I remember when I started alot were saying it would be gone soon and next year we will see the same I will give sm my all for however long they are here I remain dedicated because the site is and has always been the best for me even on slow days things even out. I think sm will still be here when I am like 50 or I hope so cause I think i will have mad milf/gilf skills but jeez the thought of what will be updated by then aghh lol. I love u sw and I love all of u ladies and i love u sm mwaa :)
Thanks for my hourly back sm love it and lets try to to be positive even if we hate the site lets just try to speak more positively and maybe we will get that back in return i do not like my videos being sold for free but I have sold my soul to sm at this point so it is what happens.

GamerGirlTeeg
09-22-2014, 03:22 PM
Just had my FIRST small penis humiliation. It only gets weirder from here doesn't it? Oh SM.

Snowy0Star
09-22-2014, 03:23 PM
I don't think they meant it would be gone, I think they meant it would be like ImLive or ifriends which used to have a ton of traffic. Many top sites lost a ton of traffic over the years and were replaced with better sites. Happens all the time.

True but I (as much as it sux to say) dont see SM not being the top anymore anytime soon unless either I friends or someone else does something to get at the top and be THE site to be on the way SM is now. I think part of the reason they have so many issues and problems is because they are in a way complacent and comfortable because they're the cam kingpin right now and no one has been able to knock them down and force them to do something about all the issues . Someone does need to do SOMETHING give them a run for their money tho IMO. They're not trying too hard to make changes to be better because right now I think they think they dont have to .

beauvoir
09-22-2014, 03:33 PM
Fuck's sake, I just lost connection during a show.

SimoneGray
09-22-2014, 04:14 PM
I feel though that if SM keeps making it easier and easier for there to be freebies (such as recorded vids on girl's profiles) they will knock themselves off the top spot in time...you can't just provide more and more free shit and still expect to get the level of paying traffic that you have now.

h0ttie
09-22-2014, 04:19 PM
Just had my FIRST small penis humiliation. It only gets weirder from here doesn't it? Oh SM.

lol u cant even imagine...i think theres a thread on weirdest stuff on here if u want to mentally prepare :P

h0ttie
09-22-2014, 04:20 PM
Fuck's sake, I just lost connection during a show.

happening to me all day ://// blahh

no other sites so i know its not my internet :(

JaneBurgess
09-22-2014, 05:46 PM
LiveJasmin is actually the biggest cam site. XBiz did an article on thema nd they said over half of all web cam traffic and funds are LiveJasmin alone. I know they were big, just didn't realize that big. YOu also have MFC which is a huge site. Flirt4Free is getting 40 millions hits a month now after they changed up their marketing. You always have to worry because in this industry things change all the time.

I'm also pretty sure the other sites didn't see themselves falling down like they did. They would have fixed it had they seen it coming.



True but I (as much as it sux to say) dont see SM not being the top anymore anytime soon unless either I friends or someone else does something to get at the top and be THE site to be on the way SM is now. I think part of the reason they have so many issues and problems is because they are in a way complacent and comfortable because they're the cam kingpin right now and no one has been able to knock them down and force them to do something about all the issues . Someone does need to do SOMETHING give them a run for their money tho IMO. They're not trying too hard to make changes to be better because right now I think they think they dont have to .

Snowy0Star
09-22-2014, 06:04 PM
LiveJasmin is actually the biggest cam site. XBiz did an article on thema nd they said over half of all web cam traffic and funds are LiveJasmin alone. I know they were big, just didn't realize that big. YOu also have MFC which is a huge site. Flirt4Free is getting 40 millions hits a month now after they changed up their marketing. You always have to worry because in this industry things change all the time.

I'm also pretty sure the other sites didn't see themselves falling down like they did. They would have fixed it had they seen it coming.

Live Jasmine has too many rules and rating systems tho. I was considering working on there to split with but when they brought in that room decor and music and looks ratings thing and if u got docked down too many points with it they would take away a part of ur % i decided not too. I see myself getting dinged a lot in the 'looks' rating because I'm a BBW. I dont want to take a hit in my take home earnings from having a chunk of my % taken out just because a bunch of assholes want to be hateful on plus size performers.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-22-2014, 06:09 PM
Live Jasmine has too many rules and rating systems tho. I was considering working on there to split with but when they brought in that room decor and music and looks ratings thing and if u got docked down too many points with it they would take away a part of ur % i decided not too. I see myself getting dinged a lot in the 'looks' rating because I'm a BBW. I dont want to take a hit in my take home earnings from having a chunk of my % taken out just because a bunch of assholes want to be hateful on plus size performers.

I know its not the LJ thread but what is that about? What do they want your room to look like? And the music, I'm intrigued by that one.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-22-2014, 06:14 PM
I know its not the LJ thread but what is that about? What do they want your room to look like? And the music, I'm intrigued by that one.

Also Snowy I just wanted to point out that 50% of available BBW's on LJ are in private right now. Don't think I've ever seen that on any site.

JaneBurgess
09-22-2014, 06:21 PM
True. I was just trying to explain what they meant by dead. Most sites don't disappear, they just lose traffic and get replaced. The only one that literally died off was privatecamz.



Live Jasmine has too many rules and rating systems tho. I was considering working on there to split with but when they brought in that room decor and music and looks ratings thing and if u got docked down too many points with it they would take away a part of ur % i decided not too. I see myself getting dinged a lot in the 'looks' rating because I'm a BBW. I dont want to take a hit in my take home earnings from having a chunk of my % taken out just because a bunch of assholes want to be hateful on plus size performers.

Snowy0Star
09-22-2014, 06:23 PM
I know its not the LJ thread but what is that about? What do they want your room to look like? And the music, I'm intrigued by that one.

well i never looked into too much because that was the final thing that made me not want to go on there again but apparently viewers can rate you on what they think of ur music how ur space looks and what they think of how u look and if any of that stuff is marked low a lot they lower ur take home % on top of the tech stuff they can doc you for. Its not really like live jasmin has a standard its just they want to make sure the viewers are happy with what they are looking at/hearing when they go into ur cam room.

I dont even know if its only for paying guys or not if its just paying guys then thats fine but i know live jasmine is a mainly European site and when i was on im live the most vocal guys on there about my looks/figure were non-americans and live jasmine is too so i just didnt want to possibly subject myself to that on not of getting my take home % doced for it. live jasmin already pays a low % and a lot of the performers on there charge low because theyre mainly european and not need a lot to make them happy so thats driven the price expectation WAY down compared to other sites (like im live where the very most u can charge is 5.80 and anything over 2.80 is a lot to them ) i just didnt think live jasmin was a good fit for me at that point after that

Snowy0Star
09-22-2014, 06:25 PM
Also Snowy I just wanted to point out that 50% of available BBW's on LJ are in private right now. Don't think I've ever seen that on any site.

WTF 0.o thats actually pretty awesome u got me thinking now .....

DMaribella
09-22-2014, 06:57 PM
Just had my FIRST small penis humiliation. It only gets weirder from here doesn't it? Oh SM.

Yeah, probably, but SPH is great! I love those guys. I think the biggest challenge is keeping the insults coming. :)

Issabelle
09-22-2014, 08:02 PM
Just had my FIRST small penis humiliation. It only gets weirder from here doesn't it? Oh SM.

Not too long ago, I had a guy come in to ask if I had any leotards or one piece swim suits and tights. He wanted me to dress up as a super hero (Batgirl, specifically) and tie myself up so that he could be the evil villain who captured me and then fucked me. Except he turned on c2c and he was cross dressed as Poison Ivy and then wanted me to break loose, sissy shame him, and fuck him. As Batgirl.

Trust me, it definitely gets weirder.

space_cowgirl
09-22-2014, 08:17 PM
^ Bows down. That is fucking awesome.

AliceFun
09-22-2014, 08:38 PM
Something is definitely wrong with this site, 3 guys one after the other could not connect to private, 2 of them gave up and the last tried a few times, finally he went in and stayed, i know it's not me so must be SM! No wonder, things are messed up really lately.

scarletl
09-23-2014, 03:30 AM
I was wondering if one of you SM guru's could help me out a little.

I am currently on DailyPay service and paying 5% fee for each pay (if 35% wasn't low enough pay im losing 5%)
I want to come off there and get paid weekly on payoneer.
Will I have to wait ages for this to take affect? Is there some kind of holding period or something?
Payoneer is paid weekly what day does this fall on?

Also I have looked around my whole SM account and cant even find where the payout information is

pippapippa
09-23-2014, 03:46 AM
Also I have looked around my whole SM account and cant even find where the payout information is

I can't help you with anything else, but you can't see your payout info because you're in a studio.

scarletl
09-23-2014, 03:48 AM
I can't help you with anything else, but you can't see your payout info because you're in a studio.

Ahh that explains it. How do I come out of being in a studio?

SimoneGray
09-23-2014, 04:46 AM
^^ If you're with a DailyPay programme you can contact them and ask them to let you go if you are not contracted to them for a certain amount of time, as far as I know. For other studios, email support (assuming they get back to you, they don't seem to talk to me), tell them to close your account and then wait six months before reopening. Some studios its a year.

GamerGirlTeeg
09-23-2014, 11:11 AM
Not too long ago, I had a guy come in to ask if I had any leotards or one piece swim suits and tights. He wanted me to dress up as a super hero (Batgirl, specifically) and tie myself up so that he could be the evil villain who captured me and then fucked me. Except he turned on c2c and he was cross dressed as Poison Ivy and then wanted me to break loose, sissy shame him, and fuck him. As Batgirl.

Trust me, it definitely gets weirder.

That's fantastic. That is seriously one of the best stories I've seen.

SadieTaylor
09-23-2014, 06:38 PM
How glitchy has SM been today? I apologize if anyone saw me screwing my vagina in free chat last night, I had finished a show and SM played it right afterwards in my freechat??? WTH, I was mortified. And then it wouldn't show me that I had been taken private and or make the sound when they started. Hope tonight goes more smooth. It's been so glitchy for me!

SarahTime
09-23-2014, 06:45 PM
LiveJasmin is actually the biggest cam site. XBiz did an article on thema nd they said over half of all web cam traffic and funds are LiveJasmin alone. I know they were big, just didn't realize that big. YOu also have MFC which is a huge site. Flirt4Free is getting 40 millions hits a month now after they changed up their marketing. You always have to worry because in this industry things change all the time.

I'm also pretty sure the other sites didn't see themselves falling down like they did. They would have fixed it had they seen it coming.

We all also have to keep in mind that just because a site isn't bringing in the cash for one person, or 100 people, SOMEONE is still making the big bucks. Lots of someones, in fact. So many people diss LJ but A LOT of models make A LOT of money on that site. Hell even I made decent money on there and I was no where near the top. There are lots of great cam sites that are still great money makers, but they aren't all going to be awesome for everyone at the same time, or maybe even ever.

SM is still extremely, extremely profitable for MAAAAANY people... I think stripper web probably gives an distorted view of the whole picture because so many models who work the site the most don't post here. And most models, I'll admit myself included, don't say much unless it is to vent or report problems they are having.

Also, aside from technical glitches with any given site, you have to look at the models individually to figure out more of why any one particular model isn't making money. We've all said it before, this isn't a "get rich quick" scheme where anyone and their grandma can be a hugely successful cam model. It takes a lot, only a small part of the "success" equation is the cam site its self.

BTW this wasn't directed AT you Jane lol your quote just got me thinking. :)


Live Jasmine has too many rules and rating systems tho. I was considering working on there to split with but when they brought in that room decor and music and looks ratings thing and if u got docked down too many points with it they would take away a part of ur % i decided not too. I see myself getting dinged a lot in the 'looks' rating because I'm a BBW. I dont want to take a hit in my take home earnings from having a chunk of my % taken out just because a bunch of assholes want to be hateful on plus size performers.

And this illustrates my point that just because one site doesn't work for someone, doesn't mean the site as a whole sucks, or that it sucks for everyone who tries it, or even half of everyone who tries it. And it also illustrates that A LOT more goes into being successful than the site you choose to work on. LJ has very high standards, but we could all likely benefit from making sure we are holding ourselves to high standards regardless the site we are on. There are plus size performers on there who are very well put together and have well kept nice surroundings. I don't think it's that they are trying to hate on BBWs at all. And I'm not saying you don't have high standards or are not well kept or put together, I've never been in your room. I'm just going off what it sounds like based on what you said.

SarahTime
09-23-2014, 06:53 PM
I was wondering if one of you SM guru's could help me out a little.

I am currently on DailyPay service and paying 5% fee for each pay (if 35% wasn't low enough pay im losing 5%)
I want to come off there and get paid weekly on payoneer.
Will I have to wait ages for this to take affect? Is there some kind of holding period or something?
Payoneer is paid weekly what day does this fall on?

Also I have looked around my whole SM account and cant even find where the payout information is

Liz ([email protected]) will remove people from the Daily Pay studio without any issues or waiting period before having your own account, they just transfer you out, then you should be able to earn the full 35% and set your payment information for payoneer or whatever method you choose. The payment info won't show up until you are out of the Daily Pay studio. I don't think it takes very long from what I've seen others say on here.

JaneBurgess
09-23-2014, 07:15 PM
I know it wasn't directed at me. :) I just get annoyed when a performer isn't doing well on a site and people always try and say it's them. When you have a large group of people having issues, then I think the site can also be a factor. People do talk crap about LJ but I didn't see tons of freeloaders like they claim the site has. I think if you are struggling on a site, give another site a chance and see if it works for you. It never hurts to try.

Amen on the high standards.


We all also have to keep in mind that just because a site isn't bringing in the cash for one person, or 100 people, SOMEONE is still making the big bucks. Lots of someones, in fact. So many people diss LJ but A LOT of models make A LOT of money on that site. Hell even I made decent money on there and I was no where near the top. There are lots of great cam sites that are still great money makers, but they aren't all going to be awesome for everyone at the same time, or maybe even ever.

SM is still extremely, extremely profitable for MAAAAANY people... I think stripper web probably gives an distorted view of the whole picture because so many models who work the site the most don't post here. And most models, I'll admit myself included, don't say much unless it is to vent or report problems they are having.

Also, aside from technical glitches with any given site, you have to look at the models individually to figure out more of why any one particular model isn't making money. We've all said it before, this isn't a "get rich quick" scheme where anyone and their grandma can be a hugely successful cam model. It takes a lot, only a small part of the "success" equation is the cam site its self.

BTW this wasn't directed AT you Jane lol your quote just got me thinking. :)



And this illustrates my point that just because one site doesn't work for someone, doesn't mean the site as a whole sucks, or that it sucks for everyone who tries it, or even half of everyone who tries it. And it also illustrates that A LOT more goes into being successful than the site you choose to work on. LJ has very high standards, but we could all likely benefit from making sure we are holding ourselves to high standards regardless the site we are on. There are plus size performers on there who are very well put together and have well kept nice surroundings. I don't think it's that they are trying to hate on BBWs at all. And I'm not saying you don't have high standards or are not well kept or put together, I've never been in your room. I'm just going off what it sounds like based on what you said.