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stripperMBA
02-28-2015, 12:23 PM
^^^^^^
This happened to me yesterday. Tried to go to exclusive and it just froze up then kicked everyone out and the customer did not try again either.
>:(

pippapippa
02-28-2015, 01:04 PM
^^ This happened to me several times this week. :/

KatyBoleyn
02-28-2015, 03:15 PM
Curiosity question about that...was it a good customer or was it one you'd never seen before?

SoloDesire
02-28-2015, 03:28 PM
Curiosity question about that...was it a good customer or was it one you'd never seen before?

Mine was a customer I've had for about a year, had multiple shows with, and lots of GOLD tips from.

Glamourmilf
02-28-2015, 06:07 PM
Ive had that 'limbo' thing happen a couple of times also in the past couple of weeks, both with regs and with new custies. It has happened randomly over the 4 plus yrs ive been camming on there. Its always been a mystery as to why it happens at all.

Blovely
02-28-2015, 06:12 PM
We all have our different perspectives. Neither is wrong. However considering I've just switched over to a studio and I'm still not making a fraction of what I was making with my regular account for the hours I've been putting in, I don't doubt it at all that some people are still banking. I'm just saying I'm not anymore.
It seems like there's a few technical issues with your account. But as far as DP, I'm not on any DP programs anymore but when I was it took me and other models some time to get back to our average after switching to DP. When starting a new account its like you're a newbie all over again. I think it took me like 2-3 months to get my DP account in a decent place(placement & money wise). I think you'll get there you just have to be a little patient.

kortneykay
02-28-2015, 06:32 PM
SM. If you want me to stay on, I'm going to to need you to give me more than $4 an hour :D

kortneykay
02-28-2015, 06:48 PM
It seems like there's a few technical issues with your account. But as far as DP, I'm not on any DP programs anymore but when I was it took me and other models some time to get back to our average after switching to DP. When starting a new account its like you're a newbie all over again. I think it took me like 2-3 months to get my DP account in a decent place(placement & money wise). I think you'll get there you just have to be a little patient.

Blovely, don't take this wrong because I get that you're trying to help. I would totally understand that except when I was a newbie I did amazingly well. If I didn't, I wouldn't still be a cam bb. My earnings since I've started as a true newbie have been the same. In 2008 when I started as a cam girl I made over $4k my first week. I got lucky with a cam SD but even without him I killed it. When I started SM about a year ago, I did just as well. I was busy and I was one of the top girls in all of my categories. My placement isn't an issue for me. Yes, I'm about 1-3 girls behind on my categories but I can't complain about placement anymore because it's great and I'm still on the 1st page. I'm just confused as why before, good placement meant good money, and now it's just good placement. If you're number one but no one buys from you, what's the point of being number one? Speaking of "new" I never even got the new girl placement status.

I can't say it's the studio because the amount they're taking away isn't what's making my $$$$ short (lol). It's the fact that if the tables were turned and I was under a studio at first, and then went on my own, I would've though the studio was the reason my placement was great before. It's like I've been blackballed or something. It doesn't make sense to give me top placement but I'm only making 1/4 of what I was with that same placement on my own. What I don't get is that SM is still getting their cut so why am I getting kicked in the teeth?

But, I digress. You do have a point. It's just a little frustrating is all because I feel like I putting in work and not getting much back for the 1st time. It's a possibility that maybe I'm not on every single google page/marketed since the account is so new. I don;t know. I'm willing to give it a bit of time but I'm still going to bitch. But it's all good. I'm about to #stepmypussygameup like Marina always says :D SM's account department is not going to know what hit them.

JackAlexander
02-28-2015, 11:17 PM
Is it just me being ignorant or can people no longer see how many people are in your room if you are in party chat?

hyori
02-28-2015, 11:40 PM
I just checked, you can still see how many people it is a tiny people icon on the right hand side where you chat.

JackAlexander
02-28-2015, 11:56 PM
I just checked, you can still see how many people it is a tiny people icon on the right hand side where you chat.

I still could not see it. re you logged on to a your customer account (I am not)?

hyori
03-01-2015, 12:30 AM
I still could not see it. re you logged on to a your customer account (I am not)?

Nope, I don't have a custy account this is just as a joe free blow.

LittleSexBunny
03-01-2015, 01:10 AM
There's hope.... sm has been picking up! (for me anyways) Don't give up ladies....I was freaking out over the lack of 'paying' traffic. I think it's finally getting better tho. My hourly isn't below minimum wage anymore LMAO! I made over 200 dollars in 3 hours...I was also at the top of page 1 tonight. woohoo.

Tomorrow will be 3 days in a row for me. (i hope it stays this way) I'm logging on every night this week. I'm not setting money goals.....just a goal to show up.

IvyRose
03-01-2015, 02:45 AM
Is it just me being ignorant or can people no longer see how many people are in your room if you are in party chat?

I have never been able to see it. Neither can I see the total amount of comments left at profiles. One time I could see the amount of comments left, it stayed for a week and has been gone since. Never have been able to see the amount of peaple in party chat though; not even when logged in.

amanda121
03-01-2015, 06:29 AM
Is it just me or did SM changed its placement algorithm a lot in the past few months? Because I remember around last Christmas/ NY I made a lot more than usually and my placement went up a lot, but in the past few months, regardless of what I'm making (it fluctuates A LOT for me during the months), my placement stays the same. I stream in Widescreen, HD and with mic, and my ratings are excellent, but bitrate, frames per second and round trip time are usually average, below average and below average (or poor). What are your scores at this, is it really bad or something? Could that be the reason my placement doesn't go up? My stream doesn't look bad when I watch myself, its pretty clear and not choppy/ pixelated, but it is true than my upload isn't very good..

hyori
03-01-2015, 07:04 AM
I did a lot of research on placement on this forum and from what I could gather the following is what you need to do for top row placement:

1. Encoder
2. The computer that can support the encoder eg. i7
3. Lots of comments, loves and five star ratings, (even just one 4 star can bring you placement down a row or two), having a schedule, phone, audio and pretty good tech ratings for bitrate etc.
4. The ratio of paid time vs. time online is high, not so much the end result of what you make overall, SM rewards you for the more hours you cam unlike MFC
5. Some studios eg. Camshark get better placement for their girls
6. How you place in your categories eg. Mature, BBW, Latina<-- if you are number 1 in all 3 categories you place higher than a girl who is only number 1 on 2 categories
7. The browser a custy uses eg. You might place a row higher or lower in chrome vs. IE

Also, as far as I can tell, none of the top row are splitcammers. I don't know if it is because SM can detect split software or if it is because of lowered bitrates when you split.

JackAlexander
03-01-2015, 07:28 AM
I did a lot of research on placement on this forum and from what I could gather the following is what you need to do for top row placement:

Also, as far as I can tell, none of the top row are splitcammers. I don't know if it is because SM can detect split software or if it is because of lowered bitrates when you split.

I bet they can. I used to split with IML and their HD screen popped up a message that said something like splitcam software detected, please remove for better stream---or something of that nature.

cymonehearts
03-01-2015, 07:41 AM
is anyone using windows 8.1 with encoder . . i keep getting disconnected and im trying to isolate if its laptop or encoder

KatyBoleyn
03-01-2015, 07:47 AM
The only one I don't agree with is #5. We had some very intense talks with SM internally, and there was literally no way we could directly or indirectly buy placement for our models...not even run our own WL with top placement for our models.

You can replace that with "Celebrity porn star status" though, as SM will - at least for a while - give a considerable boost to placement for those that come to them with a large existing fan base from outside of camming and cut them a deal.

The one exception I know is KGB, where they charge models a premium but have a network of member sites that boost room traffic for their models' shows. This is not directly by SM though.

The rest of your list is spot on. Yes, there is a splitcamming detection system, but I don't think Streamate's is very sophisticated. Using 2 cams instead of software should be enough to get around it. And, like you said, if it kills the bitrate anyways it will hurt. They also have a scoring for your schedule and how well you stick to it - most models just blow that off but it actually does count.

amanda121
03-01-2015, 08:55 AM
I don't split cam because I don't think that would be clever- my upload is 0.9. I have I5 computer, but I didn't detect any issues with the encoder. I check my CM link every once in a while during streaming and picture seems ok- also in motion. So it kinda sucks that SM perceives my stream as "low quality". I have a lot of ratings and 4352 faves, but not so many comments, I'll try to ask custies to comment more. I also can't have a fixed schedule, so that might be a problem too. Thx for all the help ladies.

Bootsie
03-01-2015, 10:18 AM
is anyone using windows 8.1 with encoder . . i keep getting disconnected and im trying to isolate if its laptop or encoder

I had a hell of a time with the encoder when the 8.1 update came out. I ended up uninstalling the encoder, then re-downloading and re-installing it. I also had to change to either the medium or low level settings file (depending on how crap my crap internet is being that day). Try that :)


And related to placement: I think that they are favoring hours heavily, because when I am online a lot like I have been lately, my placement rockets up, even when I am making complete shit money. I always thought I would be banking by the time I elbowed my way to page 1...well I've hit rows 4 and 5 and...ain't the money I expected it to be, at least not last week!

MissNaughty
03-01-2015, 10:51 AM
im using windows 8.1 with the encoder and its fine and im the uk had a wicked afternoon today at last sm seems to be playing nicely for me ....

MsBellaSpanxx
03-01-2015, 12:06 PM
is anyone using windows 8.1 with encoder . . i keep getting disconnected and im trying to isolate if its laptop or encoder

I know I'm not "supposed to". But I use the 3.2 version of the Encoder with my Windows 8.1 and since switching 6 months ago I rarely get disconnected anymore (with 3.1 Encoder I was being dropped like every 15 mins and now maybe after 3 or 4 hours when I should take a break anyway) I have great internet, and a i5 processor.

Issabelle
03-01-2015, 12:36 PM
Split cam software counts? Really. Huh. I have the VerySoft splitting software active pretty much 24/7 when I can so I can rapidly start skype shows or what not if I get an indy show, but I very rarely split live chat sites anymore. Might look into turning that off and see what it does for my placement. I'm still down about 4-5 rows from where I was in early December and my earnings, hours online, and entire computer have all shot way up.

kortneykay
03-01-2015, 01:49 PM
I agree completely with Bootsie. High placement doesn't always equal a big check. I feel like more hours has gotten me a few rows higher but when I was doing 12 hours a month I was still on the first page based on ratings and such. I had maybe 8 comments the whole year but 5 stars 99.9% of the time.

cymonehearts
03-01-2015, 02:27 PM
im all for quality vs quantity .. i used to be like top 3 in my usual section .. then when my laptop was stolen and i had to use a low grade laptop .. my stream quality took a hit but i noticed I still made the same amount of money .. i was still getting guys buying out my goldshows & new regulars staying in exclusive for long periods of time . .

the only thing i wish i would have changed is not thinking of upping my prices sooner. .

MissQuirk
03-01-2015, 02:40 PM
SM was goooood to me last night :'3
BUT IT WASN'T MAKING NOISES WHEN GUYS WERE TAKING ME PRIVATE
AND I ACCIDENTALLY SHOWED THIS DUDE A PICTURE OF A GIANT BLACK DILDO
when I was trying to show my room. lol.
Thankfully he was cool, but goddamn that was awkward.

Bootsie
03-01-2015, 04:33 PM
SM was goooood to me last night :'3
BUT IT WASN'T MAKING NOISES WHEN GUYS WERE TAKING ME PRIVATE
AND I ACCIDENTALLY SHOWED THIS DUDE A PICTURE OF A GIANT BLACK DILDO
when I was trying to show my room. lol.
Thankfully he was cool, but goddamn that was awkward.

I didn't have the private noise either today, and for most of my time online the chime wasn't going when dudes came into my room. Fortunately most of my pvts are exclusive so it was mostly fine. But I didn't have the sound at the END either and did an accidental doggy-style pussy flash because i couldn't see the screen...i figure the room got about a free minute. oops.

Marina Starr
03-01-2015, 04:35 PM
#blackcocksmatter ;D

SM was goooood to me last night :'3
BUT IT WASN'T MAKING NOISES WHEN GUYS WERE TAKING ME PRIVATE
AND I ACCIDENTALLY SHOWED THIS DUDE A PICTURE OF A GIANT BLACK DILDO
when I was trying to show my room. lol.
Thankfully he was cool, but goddamn that was awkward.

pebbles45112000
03-01-2015, 05:10 PM
Does anyone else keep loosing connection? I'm trying to figure out if its on sm's end or mine? I'm hardwired tho

SarahTime
03-01-2015, 05:11 PM
I did a lot of research on placement on this forum and from what I could gather the following is what you need to do for top row placement:

1. Encoder
2. The computer that can support the encoder eg. i7
3. Lots of comments, loves and five star ratings, (even just one 4 star can bring you placement down a row or two), having a schedule, phone, audio and pretty good tech ratings for bitrate etc.
4. The ratio of paid time vs. time online is high, not so much the end result of what you make overall, SM rewards you for the more hours you cam unlike MFC
5. Some studios eg. Camshark get better placement for their girls
6. How you place in your categories eg. Mature, BBW, Latina<-- if you are number 1 in all 3 categories you place higher than a girl who is only number 1 on 2 categories
7. The browser a custy uses eg. You might place a row higher or lower in chrome vs. IE

Also, as far as I can tell, none of the top row are splitcammers. I don't know if it is because SM can detect split software or if it is because of lowered bitrates when you split.


Placement is a lot like camscore, although people hate to admit this. You have to be making more in a shorter time (basically your hourly average) than the people placed above you to move up.

I've only worked a handful of times in February, so my online time is very low, but every time I log on my placement goes up a little each time because my hourly stays really good. So in terms of placement, I'm making more per hour than models who put in a lot of long hours but don't make as much per hour.

SM does, to a degree, "reward" you for being online a lot... however... if you are online for hours on end but you don't make much, your placement is going to go down.

Basically the biggest factor in placement is this - amount of money made in the time online. You have to be making more than others around you to move past them.

Also, I split cam, and I have always done so. I used to split 5 sites when my internet could handle it, now I only split SM and cams.com. And I'm frequently in the first row, but usually rows 1-3. So splitcamming doesn't matter. I think it could possibly matter if your internet is really sensitive and cannot handle the load of splitting more than one HD site.

I know that it doesn't always make people feel great to know that the money they are making has a huge impact, seems like people try to ignore this or try to debunk it. But, what it really comes down to is.... money made in the time online is the biggest factor in your placement.

I have noticed that I've seen models moving down in placement that are normally always on the top rows. These are models that have great streams, HD and all that, they are online many hours per day... yet they are moving DOWN in placement. They are also models who run mostly gold shows (I point this out because I am seeing a big shift on SM away from gold shows and back to privates, thank God). What this means, since they are moving down, is that all other things being the same - they are not making as much money. So they move down. If money was not the deciding factor, they would stay on top regardless since they have all the other factors down - equipment, time online, etc.

SarahTime
03-01-2015, 05:21 PM
Oh another thing... for some reason your placement is drastically different if you view yourself logged out of a members account vs. logged into a members account. And it's not because of geo-blocking. For example, not logged into a member account I may be one row ahead of Model 1 and Model 2, but logged IN to a members account, I may be 2 rows behind Model 1 and one row ahead of Model 2. I haven't been able to tell why this is, it's pretty strange but check it out for yourself if you have a members account.

Also, if you frequent your own room logged into a members account, or you frequent ANY models room when logged into your member account, SM automatically places these models higher - behind your favorites but ahead of everyone else. So if you are visiting particular models but not favoriting them, SM is basically "favoriting" them for you by placing them at the top.

Marina Starr
03-01-2015, 05:25 PM
Sarah, you rock!
You are always so articulate and to the point. You've inspired others and myself included to be better cam girls!
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/giphy_zpsrqealwu7.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/giphy_zpsrqealwu7.gif.html)

Placement is a lot like camscore, although people hate to admit this. You have to be making more in a shorter time (basically your hourly average) than the people placed above you to move up.

I've only worked a handful of times in February, so my online time is very low, but every time I log on my placement goes up a little each time because my hourly stays really good. So in terms of placement, I'm making more per hour than models who put in a lot of long hours but don't make as much per hour.

SM does, to a degree, "reward" you for being online a lot... however... if you are online for hours on end but you don't make much, your placement is going to go down.

Basically the biggest factor in placement is this - amount of money made in the time online. You have to be making more than others around you to move past them.

Also, I split cam, and I have always done so. I used to split 5 sites when my internet could handle it, now I only split SM and cams.com. And I'm frequently in the first row, but usually rows 1-3. So splitcamming doesn't matter. I think it could possibly matter if your internet is really sensitive and cannot handle the load of splitting more than one HD site.

I know that it doesn't always make people feel great to know that the money they are making has a huge impact, seems like people try to ignore this or try to debunk it. But, what it really comes down to is.... money made in the time online is the biggest factor in your placement.

I have noticed that I've seen models moving down in placement that are normally always on the top rows. These are models that have great streams, HD and all that, they are online many hours per day... yet they are moving DOWN in placement. They are also models who run mostly gold shows (I point this out because I am seeing a big shift on SM away from gold shows and back to privates, thank God). What this means, since they are moving down, is that all other things being the same - they are not making as much money. So they move down. If money was not the deciding factor, they would stay on top regardless since they have all the other factors down - equipment, time online, etc.

SarahTime
03-01-2015, 05:36 PM
Sarah, you rock!
You are always so articulate and to the point. You've inspired others and myself included to be better cam girls!
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/giphy_zpsrqealwu7.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/giphy_zpsrqealwu7.gif.html)

lol well thanks bb! I try to be helpful. :)

ArayaBlows
03-01-2015, 07:06 PM
Am I the only one making below minimum wage right now? Like seriously I can't deal with this I'm better off working in McDonalds at this point. I always heard winters were high traffic. But the summer was my highest traffic yet. Is this happening to everyone. Or just the transgender category. Im at 2.60 an hour. On top of that I ever lowered my prices and still nothing. I am so scared.

hyori
03-01-2015, 07:11 PM
^^ thank you so much for explaining! Now I won't feel guilty for splitcamming! I will use the Xlovesplitter instead of Verysoft...the Xlove one places me higher!

amanda121
03-01-2015, 07:50 PM
Placement is a lot like camscore, although people hate to admit this. You have to be making more in a shorter time (basically your hourly average) than the people placed above you to move up.

I've only worked a handful of times in February, so my online time is very low, but every time I log on my placement goes up a little each time because my hourly stays really good. So in terms of placement, I'm making more per hour than models who put in a lot of long hours but don't make as much per hour.

SM does, to a degree, "reward" you for being online a lot... however... if you are online for hours on end but you don't make much, your placement is going to go down.

Basically the biggest factor in placement is this - amount of money made in the time online. You have to be making more than others around you to move past them.

Also, I split cam, and I have always done so. I used to split 5 sites when my internet could handle it, now I only split SM and cams.com. And I'm frequently in the first row, but usually rows 1-3. So splitcamming doesn't matter. I think it could possibly matter if your internet is really sensitive and cannot handle the load of splitting more than one HD site.

I know that it doesn't always make people feel great to know that the money they are making has a huge impact, seems like people try to ignore this or try to debunk it. But, what it really comes down to is.... money made in the time online is the biggest factor in your placement.

I have noticed that I've seen models moving down in placement that are normally always on the top rows. These are models that have great streams, HD and all that, they are online many hours per day... yet they are moving DOWN in placement. They are also models who run mostly gold shows (I point this out because I am seeing a big shift on SM away from gold shows and back to privates, thank God). What this means, since they are moving down, is that all other things being the same - they are not making as much money. So they move down. If money was not the deciding factor, they would stay on top regardless since they have all the other factors down - equipment, time online, etc.

I know money was a major factor in placement, and probably still is. When I was camming and had a good earning day, and than checked my offline placement, it went up a lot, even in just one day. Also if I had a bad day, it went down. But somewhere in the middle of 2014, I don't know exactly when, because I'm not online consistently, something changed, and now this isn't the case anymore. I fluctuate a lot in hourly earnings, and my placement is rigid. Also I've noticed in other models rooms, that now if you don't cam for some time you go down a lot and before it was not that noticeable. So that makes me think, that maybe now they put more weight on weekly/ monthly earnings and not so much on hourly?

And maybe bitrate etc. is bigger factor now. Of course this still means that model's placement is dependable on earnings, even more so if everything else is great and that is the only variable factor, but it seems to me that some other factors got more weight than before. I suspect that with lower scores in "my ranking" section you have to make way more money now than before to keep the same placement.

temptingmodel
03-01-2015, 11:44 PM
Also, if you frequent your own room logged into a members account, or you frequent ANY models room when logged into your member account, SM automatically places these models higher - behind your favorites but ahead of everyone else. So if you are visiting particular models but not favoriting them, SM is basically "favoriting" them for you by placing them at the top.
I am on my 4th member account and I am the number one bitch! ! lol :D
that shit is so annoying but helpful for our regulars

Kitcatt
03-02-2015, 12:39 AM
I had MASSIVE stream delays after 10 tonight. I checked my stream and I was lagging at least 60 seconds behind and I looked like a monster from Jacobs Ladder with my stream trying to catch up. No issues on my end. What the hell?

Issabelle
03-02-2015, 12:53 AM
I'm about to log back in. I'll check you from my customer account, free chat, etc., if you're still on and let you know how it looks Kitcatt. I need to check out mine anyway.

Kitcatt
03-02-2015, 01:32 AM
thanks
Issabelle! I called it a night in anticipation of a 6 day week but thank you!

Tsepmet1
03-02-2015, 09:45 AM
Where did all of my traffic go? :(

LittleLexy
03-02-2015, 01:48 PM
Is anyone having these issues. I completed a gold show countdown to only have a HUGE delay of starting. Goal was reached and that box didn't pop up to start. Just the countdown continued. I would say a good two minutes went by before my gold show started with my customers seeing that it was going to start, but me not seeing shit. So I completed that only to have a man start a exclusive dominant show and Streamate told me that I had a gold show started and I didn't. Something is fucked up. The box that you get when your gold show hasn't reached it's goal and was going to cancel popped up for this mans exclusive.

KatyBoleyn
03-02-2015, 01:56 PM
I guess it should be made perfectly clear...Streamate builds your placement score based on a lot of factors. Earnings and traffic history on your account plays a big role in placement, tags and comments not so much.

Favorites - For customers that have favorited you, you appear always in their top row when they visit the site. This lets them find you easier. If they're big spenders, its an advantage, if they're not spenders, it doesn't do much for you. Older stacks of hearts (not on the site/spending recently) also won't do much for you. Does not directly effect your placement otherwise.

Comments - Lets customers see "reviews" left by other customers. It can help close a sale once they are in your room (if the custie is in any mood for literacy), but does not play into placement.

Tags - Allows you to come up in a search for models. Weird tags that customers would never search for aren't that helpful. Common tags likewise won't do a lot if every model has it (though they don't hurt). Best used for commonly searched niches or features. These don't play into your placement.

Star Ratings - This *DOES* play into your placement, and when you start over you have a clean slate. It defaults to 4 stars, and isn't actually calculated until 5 different customers rate you. The same customer buying shows repeatedly and rating you will only count for one rating. Getting 5 different customers to actually rate you should be your top priority with a new account. This will also fast-track you to getting your Gold Shows and TV enabled.

Schedule and Time Online - Its not so much having a schedule as filling out the schedule and sticking to it. This has a very tiny direct and big indirect impact on your placement if the system can see you work when you say you will work, and customers with money to spend like to see you when they expect. This is what we "manipulated" by encouraging models to work a bit more in a week. The impact on placement was very obvious by day 3 of the Camathon.

HD, Phone, Audio Icons - If these aren't showing up properly for you, that's a legitimate tech issue and you need to make us or SM support aware immediately. These do have a moderate impact on your placement.

New model status - Customers on the site use this sometimes looking for something new and fresh, as well as Streamate's army of traffic affiliates looking for something new to throw on their ads. This does not directly effect your front page placement, but it does put you at the top on a category page, as well as let the traffic people find new ad material more easily. It can take a little bit for the various marketing machines to catch up, but the traffic being pumped to your room does indirectly help your placement and earnings. The new rule is that if you accept a favorites transfer, you are no longer a "New Model".

Being in a studio - Zero impact on placement. See below for the exception.

Being a former porn star or other celebrity or part of a porn show - SM will negotiate a personal deal with you or your vanilla porn studio that can include a placement bump for a given time period. SM's interest is that your popularity and presence will bring large amounts of fans (potential customers) to the site that their regular army of affiliates don't reach.

External Shows - These can indirectly effect your placement if you have a fan site or studio site that broadcasts you. The room traffic will go up if another site is specifically pumping traffic to your show. Some rare studios (such as KGB) use this trick - most do not.

Cam Quality - A basic product of your internet stability, computer power, encoder settings, and the expense of your camera. This has a major impact on your placement, both directly and indirectly.

Earnings History/Time in Paid Chat History - These have a large effect on your placement. So as to not create a long-term imbalance, your most recent few days or weeks count more heavily and the impact trails off over time. When you start a new account, you have no history until you create it, but it ramps up quickly so long as you don't bottom out your prices.

Room Popularity - This has a lesser impact on your placement, but is still strong. This is an average of people hanging out in your room at a given time when you're in free chat/GS countdowns. KGB was playing on this factor heavily with their $0 Gold Shows they were having the models perform.

When you make a new account (leaving a studio, entering one, or "resetting your persona", etc) it is a truly a new account with no history behind it. This can be fudged a little bit with a favorites transfer, which means a large pool of regulars will still see you at the top row...and should remember who you are if you didn't also radically change your screen name. SM used to let transferring models "stack" the New Model Status boost with a favorites transfer, but they decided they didn't want to give an advantage to models hopping in and out of studios (any studio), as it does create a lot of work on their end.

That being said, the good news is that their placement matrix works much quicker now than before. You can easily get to middle first page within a day or two, we've seen it done many times now and recently. When you transfer, be prepared to lay the sugar on thick to get back to being a baller as quickly as possible, it won't work to log in for a single shift and say "This sucks." Attitude is everything, and when you make a fresh account you need to have that mindset...you are the new girl again at least for a bit.

AliceFun
03-02-2015, 04:19 PM
I hate when i get disconnected shortly after i been taken exclusive, WTF SM? This is NOT nice!! Last nite it happened the same, when i get a pvt i also get cut off??!! I am pissed!

Magical_Hoohah
03-02-2015, 04:24 PM
Katy, thanks for shedding some light as a person that has access to more info than most of us. This all goes perfectly with my own experiences with placement.

I'm really glad that they don't count hearts and tags toward your placement. That would seriously favor models that mostly rock a gold show hustle. Most hearts and tags occur during free chat, and a gold show brings a lot of different guys into a model's free chat room. I almost never do gold shows, and I tend to cater to guys that prefer exclusive. When I get online, a few people enter my free chat (usually less than 10), I end up in exclusive or private, and the free chat room clears (even if I'm in private, a lot of my guys leave b/c they wanted an exclusive). When I return to free chat, guys trickle back in, and the process repeats. I have a lot fewer hearts and tags compared to gold show models that have spent a similar number of hours on SM, just because fewer guys have passed through my free chat room. That doesn't mean that I'm not making good money for SM. It wouldn't make sense to have an algorithm that penalizes models like me, despite the fact that we can be good earners.
That said, ladies with my type of hustle are probably getting dinged a little for low room popularity. That might be a good reason to run a few gold shows now and then, whether or not they are successful or profitable.

I'm also glad that comments don't count. I like to think that if I've done my job, the guys should have just enough energy to click "5 stars" before passing out into the male post-cum coma. :P

Regarding time online, it's pretty pathetic that I know this, but the system counts you as working 0 hours if you have actually worked less than 5 hours in the past 30 days. Once you hit 5 hours, it can sometimes take a couple days to register in the system. When I've taken breaks from SM, going from 0 hours to 5+ hours has always made a huge difference in my placement. Working additional hours/month, my hourly earnings, and my % in paid make subtle changes, but nothing close to the jump I get for going from 0 to 5 hours per month.


...Schedule and Time Online - Its not so much having a schedule as filling out the schedule and sticking to it. This has a very tiny direct and big indirect impact on your placement if the system can see you work when you say you will work...

Earnings History/Time in Paid Chat History - ...So as to not create a long-term imbalance, your most recent few days or weeks count more heavily and the impact trails off over time...
I wasn't aware of these little bits, but it's good to know!

KatyBoleyn
03-02-2015, 05:17 PM
There's still a few unknowns at this point, that 5 hour thing is interesting though.

Our suspicion is that your primary "category" also plays into your front page placement...as in, certain less popular niches may only allow so many slots on the front page, or being in a particularly crowded niche may impact your placement via direct competition within the niche. It would take a lot of experimenting to pin it down though.

Another unknown is just what is the impact of the "You may also like..." box that appears on your page that will throw up 1 to 4 other models for them to bounce to.

We're also quite sure their tech guys play with the numbers constantly so pinning down anything to an exact science would be "old news" by the time we figured it out.

Regardless, we've been told directly that the primary goal of the front page placement system is not to immediately help anyone make money (that's secondary), but to convert traffic from affiliates in the most efficient manner. The overriding logic of the system is to display models that will make guys part with their CC details upon landing, and the models shown are (hopefully) the most probable to make that happen at a given time.

Bootsie
03-02-2015, 05:53 PM
Another unknown is just what is the impact of the "You may also like..." box that appears on your page that will throw up 1 to 4 other models for them to bounce to.


I have to say, I hate that box. If I'm offline or in a pvt/excl, fine. But look SM, I have already busted my ass to get that guy in my room, killing myself to keep him there for that lovely 35% slice of the pie, and now you want to give him OPTIONS RIGHT FUCKING THERE? Please...staaaaahp.

Candy_Woman
03-02-2015, 08:20 PM
Hola. He estado muy enferma para trabajar durante unos meses, y ahora no consigo login en mi cuenta, no consigo reset, y no me deja registrarme de nuevo. Envié un email a support y no responden. ¿Algún consejo?

laurielegs
03-02-2015, 08:37 PM
Hola. He estado muy enferma para trabajar durante unos meses, y ahora no consigo login en mi cuenta, no consigo reset, y no me deja registrarme de nuevo. Envié un email a support y no responden. ¿Algún consejo?

Im sorry I don't speak Spanish but I used an online translator to see whatyou said there. "Hello. I've been too sick to work for a few months, and now can not get login into my account, I do not get reset, and will not let me check again. I sent an email to support and unresponsive . Any advice ?"

Sometimes it takes support a few days to respond. How long has it been?