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JustCallMeBree
06-20-2015, 06:42 PM
0__0 Holy Cam Gods I hope they change the rules! I work KinkLive too and ever since the buy-out a lot of of my regulars have come over to Streamate and just closed their accounts with KinkLive. I have two members that only want Daddy roleplays :-\

Cutie101
06-20-2015, 08:10 PM
I will never and could never do a daddy show or anything like that.
I find it sick and I think it encourages pedophilia, wich for me is one of the biggest crimes against a human.
I will never let a possible pedophile express his sick desires in my room or around me, no matter how much he pays me.
Everytime I see a member telling me "Hey do u wanna pretend be my lil 8 yr old girl?" or stuff like that, my mind is just getting angry,darken and all I do is to pray that motherfucker die and I report him immediately.
How the HECK u can get horny thinking u fuck a child? It's sick!!!

There are LOTS of roleplays in this world.But I have my limits. Let's not involve children, even it's a virtual fantasy. For me it's still a crime.Period.

And this anger and frustration coming out from me is because I was for a short period of time, volunteer in a center and I met so many abused little girls that I couldn't resist to the shock from the stories I've heard and just gave up on it. Now I am sensitive when it comes to this subject and I am tottaly against any form of incest or pedophilia roleplay or fantasy.

Prussia
06-20-2015, 10:46 PM
As I've said, daddy is okay as long as it's not incest. If a guy says 'I want to fuck you mommy' that's okay if you are not his biological mother and he's of the legal age. You have the right to not do them but that doesn't mean it's not okay.
When daddy roleplay is being mentioned, why do you automatically assumed it's with a small child?!
I don't think I was being rude by saying focus on what's going on in YOUR room.

I hate to keep dragging out this topic, but from my personal experience majority of daddy daughter roleplay requests that I receive are guys asking if I'll do pedo stuff. And I've read countless girls saying similar. Though they are not the same the two requests frequently overlap in topic and there is a correlation. And I don't mean like 16 year old stuff. Single digit ages where, "shhhh don't tell mommy" kind of play. Also, pacifiers are bait for guys looking for minor roleplay as well, which is what we were discussing in the initial posts above with the girl who has one approved in her profile photo; that I implied in my comment saying I can't believe SM allows her to mention that roleplay topic in her profile. I get the whole "call me daddy" thing not being about actual incest, just being dirty, but as a model who gets underage requests on a regular basis this really makes me upset every time I get asked it. There are people who do ask for D/d roleplay instead of just call me daddy requests and their intetions seem nafarious and down right gross and creepy.

doublerainbow
06-21-2015, 12:50 AM
Warning for TMI right here, but this topic caught my interest and I'd like to weigh in before it expires. Speaking as a woman who was pretty much raised in a fucking sea of sexual molestation since infancy, I'd like to point out an unpopular opinion - that I'd much rather a guy with this sickness log into an adult entertainment site and roleplay his fantasies with verified 18+ women instead of feeling the need to act them out with an actual child.

It's possible that roleplaying like this could feed a sickness, but it's just as likely that it keeps things purely in fantasy land and even the most depraved humans don't choose their illnesses... so if the women who fulfill this strange duty end up keeping even one pedo from abusing a kid, I'm gonna back them up 100%. Obviously, for my own reasons I could never in a million years do a show like that myself, but I'm not going to judge camgirls who do and I won't even judge the customers who pay them to because you never know when someone could be self-medicating rather than committing a life-destroying crime.

tropo
06-21-2015, 01:02 AM
I had to dig for this one, but SM sent out a message in late December of last year regarding IDs:



They've never actually sent the follow up message, but it's past 'early 2015' so they might be enforcing this policy. Basically, don't be surprised if support does come back and say you have to update, but also don't be surprised if they don't require one.

In terms of why it's required, I suspect US law in involved, being that Streamate (and many other sites) are US-based. In the US, valid ID is required for a lot of things (sale of tobacco or alcohol, entrance into an age-restricted location such as a bar, etc.). Whether you're clearly 50+ years old or not, the US often requires VALID (meaning non-expired) photo IDs for legal reasons. I doubt SM itself cares, so much as legal restrictions required it.

Thanks for that. Having been away so long I thought maybe I had missed an 'please update your ID' email from support. That's what happened on my other US-based site. They were quite rude about it and just suspended my account and payment until I submitted a new scan of my ID and a photo of it next to my face. SM support are fairly unfriendly too, so I half expected, without warning, they hold my commission and leave me wondering why they hadn't sent it.

Another site I work on is still happy with my ID which expired about 5 years ago.

SM have done other things without warning me too. Sometime last year they stopped me from replying to messages. I had to email them and ask them why and they gave me a nice little explanation about how they have had to stop the message service (replying only) from "my region" due to continued abuse. That wasn't a very good idea for (my) business as now I can receive messages, but cannot reply.... so if a good customer sends me a nice complimentary message I can cannot reply to thank him - making me look like a rude, stuck-up bitch. I suggested that they explain to customers that I cannot reply - which they probably won't bother to do. I did get a "thanks for your suggestion" reply though.

They also suspended my block sessions without warning (since I started up again) - I had to email them to reactivate that... and they warned me that they closely monitor block sessions and I should not abuse them or my account will be suspended. They really have a way with words, those support staff... They really know how to make you feel like a non-person that doesn't matter in the slightest... and we have to put up with this for a pathetic 30% commission.

Bottom line, I don't trust them - hence my question here about updating ID. I'm glad I have other sites to work on - I'd hate to rely on this one as my sole source of income.

CatBBW
06-21-2015, 02:40 AM
Warning for TMI right here, but this topic caught my interest and I'd like to weigh in before it expires. Speaking as a woman who was pretty much raised in a fucking sea of sexual molestation since infancy, I'd like to point out an unpopular opinion - that I'd much rather a guy with this sickness log into an adult entertainment site and roleplay his fantasies with verified 18+ women instead of feeling the need to act them out with an actual child.

It's possible that roleplaying like this could feed a sickness, but it's just as likely that it keeps things purely in fantasy land and even the most depraved humans don't choose their illnesses... so if the women who fulfill this strange duty end up keeping even one pedo from abusing a kid, I'm gonna back them up 100%. Obviously, for my own reasons I could never in a million years do a show like that myself, but I'm not going to judge camgirls who do and I won't even judge the customers who pay them to because you never know when someone could be self-medicating rather than committing a life-destroying crime.

(warning...as above, this post may be TMI for some...)
Also, we have to bear in mind that this is FANTASY. It's like when women have a rape fantasy, and act it out with their partner. This doesn't mean she would actually WANT to REALLY be raped, just that somewhere in her psyche she finds the THOUGHT of it stimulating. Likewise, I once went through a phase of wondering what it would be like to be licked/penetrated by a dog. This didn't mean I actually WANTED to have sex with a dog, and neither did I try finding a suitable canine (although I did browse the internet a few times to see if I was weird...oh, and look for related porn/erotica), it was the idea of it that excited me.

Also, we are grown women - ADULTS - who are being approached by these men. The men know we are adults, and they are approaching us adults for a roleplay. They aren't asking children or minors, which would make more sense if they really did want the reality, they are asking women over the legal age of consent. They want to act out something with a FULLY GROWN WOMAN. They know she's not a child, they know she is LONG out of nappies and nursery, but still they want to role play with her being the Little/Sub and them being the Big/Dom as this is something they either want to explore, or that they enjoy. Perhaps something similar happened to them when they were a child, so want to re-enact it now with roles reversed? I'm 43, and get regular requests for schoolgirl role play - I don't do that or offer it because I tried and felt ridiculous!

Here's a twist on the previous incest/ageplay debate...I have been offering "taboo" chat and role play on Adultwork for quite a while now. When I first started out (especially when I started on cams) I felt uncomfortable if asked for it, but many guys had a fixation about me being "Mummy" and now I can talk about/act out certain scenarios without batting an eyelid at it.

I am generally a dominant person, so I don't act the child myself, I am the "mummy" figure (usually in a Mother/son scenario, but sometimes the guys likes to play female so it becomes M/d). Generally the guys want their chosen "mummy" person to "comfort" them. Perhaps these men's first sexual thrill when they were a child came from mummy spanking them, or laying on mummy's lap and being able to smell her scent, or enjoying the feel of mummy's nighty against their bare body. Whatever it was, it gave them their early surges of sexuality and the memory has continued through to adulthood, where they now want to recreate the scenario and sometimes add their own twist to it (acting out what they wished could have happened).

(I do understand that the above isn't to everyone's taste, but there are services out there that some ladies offer which turn my own stomach, so really it's each to their own.)

Does me offering/enjoying being "mummy" to these Adult Babies - aka: grown men - mean that I am a paedophile or want to go find an underage boy to play with? NO IT DOESN'T. It means that I enjoy a specific role play within a dom/sub liasion with an adult. I don't actually believe this full grown hairy-assed man in front of me/on the cam is my "tired boy who wants his beddy", but for the duration of the show/meet I am a mother figure stepping the guy out of his reality and regressing him back to a safer/simpler time whence perhaps he had the first stirrings of sexual feelings. (and I'm talking men of all ages wanting to be 'babied', I think the eldest I've had was in his 70s.)


So...I actually popped in to this thread to ask how the ageplay-incest-roleplay can be worked on SM without falling fowl of their rules. It doesn't seem that easy though, and I don't want to risk my account by making a silly mistake. Anyone who offers this successfully on SM, any tips?

AliceFun
06-21-2015, 04:02 AM
http://streamatehelp.com/performer-c...duct/?access=1

-> See paragraph 4 -Live chat code of conduct: "Performer agrees that s/he will not violate any law concerning obscenity. Performer shall not portray depictions of sex involving any person under the age of eighteen (1 years of age, rape, incest, bestiality, fisting, necrophilia, any form of minor activity, urination and/or defecation. Animals should not appear on camera at any time."

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Above is CODE OF CONDUCT link where you ladies can read what the rules are & u see a print screen of the exact paragraph where they mention incest and to my understanding & knowledge i gathered over the years incest is referring to roleplays discussed in this topic, daddy, mom, sis, bro, so on. These roleplay are not allowed on SM in any form, all fall under incest.

As i mentioned in my posts already, SM doesent always go by the book but sometimes they suspend models when they catch them, alot of favoritism on SM also so it's just a matter of luck, blind eye or subjectivism on SM's staff side. That's what puzzled me actually, who on SM's side approved such profile pics/ show intro for some models & who decided to suspend the girl mentioned above just by the use of 'sugar daddy' term used by the member, it was not even model's fault.

See also Paragraph 3 -No Below the Belt Nudity -> "In order to prevent minors’ exposure to full nudity and adult material we require there to be no below the belt nudity in free chat. Topless is acceptable but full nudity is only allowed in age verified areas – also known as “private” or “paid chat”. Nudity in free areas will result in temporary suspension of your account."

What we understand from this one? That models must ALWAYS wear panties in freechat or they can get rid of the panties and keep the lady parts off the view? Cause i saw/ read all kind of situations, panty free models covering lady parts doing their thing w.o a problem & girls being suspended for putting hands in their panties & masturbating w.o actually showing lady parts or real sex - oral, vaginal, anal in freechat on SM or girls fingering/ toying themselves for all to see.

SM does not explain in detail all possible situations/ combinations, what is exactly allowed or forbidden, they have their reasons for not making things perfectly clear, this way some people can bend the rules and for some rules apply no matter what, depends on who u are also & how much money u making them & who they decide to turn a blind eye on.

Not going to be hypocrite here, i also bent rules without intention in some cases but was always stressed, u never know what a member is going to say or ask from u when going into a pvt show, right? It might start out smooth and nice within the rules then twist to something unexpected & u need to decide if u wanna cut him off, tell him to stop talking on the subject or let him talk but dont participate or go with the line. Turning money down is not an easy decision when business is soo slow already but being suspended or banned is not good either. It's a risky thing.

AliceFun
06-21-2015, 04:06 AM
^^^ I cant edit my post because of the inserted picture, somehow it came out wrong regarding pic position but all text is in there & the picture is under it.

http://streamatehelp.com/performer-code-of-conduct/?access=1

Ok, the link in my above post is not working for some reason but this one here does, maybe there are new models who will be happy to read the 'Code of conduct' as many dont even know it exists or never bother to read or not aware SM updated the Support section of the site.

For the ones who are still not convinced of what they (SM) mean in paragraph 4, it says clearly & i looked up once again to be sure as i am not native in english, DEPICTIONS. It means FANTASY/ ROLEPLAY period, this words says it all.

AnotherLily
06-21-2015, 04:21 AM
Ok so urination and watersports are not allowed. How does the site know if a girl is squirting vs pissing? Now I'm not saying that a lot of ladies are being disingenuous but... How many are generally pissing and advertising it as squirting?

AliceFun
06-21-2015, 04:29 AM
^^^ Ahh, that's another gray area lol, yes models do pee saying it's squirt lol. Even a member told me once "Wet that panties baby, pee for me", i told him it's not allowed and he went "but u going to squirt then wink". I knew i could do it if i wanted, who could say what liquid that was anyway? But i am not prepared for this, i dont wanna wet my bed lol.

euro_princess
06-21-2015, 04:42 AM
Ok so urination and watersports are not allowed. How does the site know if a girl is squirting vs pissing? Now I'm not saying that a lot of ladies are being disingenuous but... How many are generally pissing and advertising it as squirting?

There is no way they can know it for sure. I think is all about the act. If you're dildoing yourself and you pee and say you squirted, everybody will be cool and believe it. Because, again, can't be proved.
Still, if you are not dildoing yourself and you pee in a cup, they can say for sure what happened.

hyori
06-21-2015, 07:55 AM
I have a realistic beaver handpuppet that I occasionally bring out to help with my gold show countdown, I am surprised they haven't tried to ban me for using it...he humps the camera and chews on dildos calling them his bitch woodies. I should make him pee and call everybody his daddy. Bet that would break SM.

Kitcatt
06-21-2015, 10:43 AM
I always wanted to run a gold show topic of "I'll be dirty anally fisted by my dead grandma while my cat watches as I'm dressed like a school girl" I've never understood the necrophilla clause. Who has a dead body laying around and how do you depict a dead body in a convincing way? Wouldn't the guy just complain that you were just laying there doing nothing? :)

LaylaLovely
06-21-2015, 10:47 AM
^^Guys who have necro fetish will ask you to lay there like your dead , never had the request but I've heard of other ppl getting this request

Coffee
06-22-2015, 06:13 AM
Please Help. How I do I start with Streamate?

How do i put my categories there are only few that I can choose from

The only categories I could choose from were these : Pregnancy,Toys,Housewives,Bondage,Tattoos,Piercing s, Non-nude.

I been reading this thread for some time now , But Couldn't find any info about it. I just click start my show and that's all.
Is there any thing that I should do?

pixiepower329
06-22-2015, 07:53 AM
The other categories are chosen for you based on your answers as far as hair color, body type, etc.

DeepThoughts
06-22-2015, 08:55 AM
Normally I read you all talking about glitches with the site and I think, huh, never happens to me. I guess today is my day for it though! Seems like all day i keep getting disconnects and that weird limbo mode where NO ONE enters my room until I log off and restart everything! Keeping me on my toes today!

Girly_Girl
06-22-2015, 09:46 AM
Can someone remind me how much of a percentage do we earn on sm please?

Marina Starr
06-22-2015, 10:02 AM
35% for everything!

Can someone remind me how much of a percentage do we earn on sm please?

tropo
06-22-2015, 10:35 AM
35% for everything!

I get 30%, depends on your region.

plumwine
06-22-2015, 10:37 AM
so I got my first block session today. I think now I know why some girls don't enable them. <removed section of the post> I remember reading on here that they can come back and finish, but I'm pretty sure this guy knew exactly what he was doing and will not be back. ughhh feeling like such a n00b right now

pixiepower329
06-22-2015, 10:54 AM
You get paid for the full block session, even if they leave early.

SoloDesire
06-22-2015, 10:59 AM
You get paid for the full block session, even if they leave early.

Incorrect. They have to stay past several minutes in order to get charged for the whole block. I won't post exactly how many in public, but if they leave before those minutes are up they just pay the discount rate for those minutes only.

plumwine
06-22-2015, 12:12 PM
And it happened when I had just lowered my regular rates trying to desperately squeeze some shows in before daily pay cut off. Lesson learned: it's not worth it to lower rates, it only seems to attract scumbags. Took a lunch break, relaxed a bit, and now I'm ready to get back on with my normal rates and hustle these men :-)

SweetieBitch
06-22-2015, 12:36 PM
^^Guys who have necro fetish will ask you to lay there like your dead , never had the request but I've heard of other ppl getting this request

I got a necro fetish guy the other night. He first had me take a belt to my neck and "struggle" until I couldn't take it anymore, and pretended to choke myself out. It wasn't realistic at all; to show that I was "dead", he wanted my eyes open staring straight into the camera, with my tongue hanging out of the side of my mouth like a dead cartoon character. Then we repeated the scene from a few different angles/positions, lol.

Prussia
06-22-2015, 12:58 PM
Can someone remind me how much of a percentage do we earn on sm please?

35% if you're signed up straight to the site, not in a studio or a remote region. More if you get commission for refered customers who sign up through your cammodels link. And 20% of what that person spends on other models cam shows. :)

pixiepower329
06-22-2015, 01:04 PM
Incorrect. They have to stay past several minutes in order to get charged for the whole block. I won't post exactly how many in public, but if they leave before those minutes are up they just pay the discount rate for those minutes only.

Well shoot--- sorry bout that. I didn't really get into the whole block thing last time around and just slowly getting back into it now.

Prussia
06-22-2015, 01:08 PM
Incorrect. They have to stay past several minutes in order to get charged for the whole block. I won't post exactly how many in public, but if they leave before those minutes are up they just pay the discount rate for those minutes only.

The rate for block shows applies during the show, and if they disconnect a few minutes into the show (not posting exact for a reason) that started, or after the show block time is complete and they keep going. If they leave after x minutes into the block session and come back within 2 hours after it was started they are still honored the left over time of the block show. It will show for the entire blocked payment in your earnings even though did only did a portion of it. So if you get a 15 minute show, do 11 minutes and they can still come back for the last 4 minutes for the next 2 hours. And when they start the remainder of the show the block show pop up will say how many minutes are left. As soon as your block show is done and you get the message in the chat log stating the blocks how is now over and it is safe to disconnect it still rolls over the block show rate for the rest of the time you are with that customer.

Prussia
06-22-2015, 01:20 PM
And it happened when I had just lowered my regular rates trying to desperately squeeze some shows in before daily pay cut off. Lesson learned: it's not worth it to lower rates, it only seems to attract scumbags. Took a lunch break, relaxed a bit, and now I'm ready to get back on with my normal rates and hustle these men :-)

I just dm'ed you a link to SM model FAQ on block sessions to read it in whole. :)

tropo
06-22-2015, 01:22 PM
35% if you're signed up straight to the site, not in a studio or a remote region. )

"remote region" ... what's a remote region? Remote from where?

Prussia
06-22-2015, 01:29 PM
"remote region" ... what's a remote region? Remote from where?
I don't know what the "correct term" is. What I was trying to say is I know some models signed up straight to SM get a lower pay % based on geographical/regional locations. Sorry my English sometimes is a bit off.

euro_princess
06-22-2015, 02:04 PM
My country gets only 30%. When I asked SM why, they said because US has bigger taxes than the rest of the world. I was like, sure, buddy! Come here where we have to pay 44% of our income, no matter how much we earn. Sometimes I feel like SM is kinda xenophobe.

tropo
06-22-2015, 10:16 PM
I don't know what the "correct term" is. What I was trying to say is I know some models signed up straight to SM get a lower pay % based on geographical/regional locations. Sorry my English sometimes is a bit off.

It's ok, I'm just really curious now that it was brought up, what countries are paid only 30%. Are all non-US countries paid 30%? Is SM based in the US?

AliceFun
06-22-2015, 10:36 PM
SM is based in the US, yes, the countries that get 35% are US, UK, Canada, Australia & some countries from Western Europe. These are "The elite countries", the western zone. The rest of the world gets 30% by default including my country.

euro_princess
06-22-2015, 10:55 PM
I apologize for not being born in an elite country, SM! Damn, mom.

tropo
06-22-2015, 11:05 PM
SM is based in the US, yes, the countries that get 35% are US, UK, Canada, Australia & some countries from Western Europe. These are "The elite countries", the western zone. The rest of the world gets 30% by default including my country.

OK, thanks for that enlightening info. It's basically discrimination, as we all know it is, and people from "non-elite" countries can't do anything about it as there is no legal process available. They couldn't get away with this type of discrimination in elite countries.

Have they disabled messages from your account? This is rather upsetting, because customers message me and I cannot reply, making me seem like a rude bitch - not good for my business. It would be nice if they could inform my customers that due to account restrictions I cannot reply. Perhaps some SM people will read this and do the right thing.

Issabelle
06-23-2015, 12:51 AM
OK, thanks for that enlightening info. It's basically discrimination, as we all know it is, and people from "non-elite" countries can't do anything about it as there is no legal process available. They couldn't get away with this type of discrimination in elite countries.

Have they disabled messages from your account? This is rather upsetting, because customers message me and I cannot reply, making me seem like a rude bitch - not good for my business. It would be nice if they could inform my customers that due to account restrictions I cannot reply. Perhaps some SM people will read this and do the right thing.

'Elite countries,' huh? So I guess that's what they're calling it these days. Wow. That's nicer than what I've always heard SMs logic was (which, for the record, I do not endorse). I've always heard that the 30% cut was because other countries have a much higher rate of 'fraud' and it's to cover excess charge backs beyond what the 35% countries get. Basically, there's this assumption that the non 'elite,' as they so nicely put it, are more likely to scam customers and end up with charge backs. The sad thing is that I can't remember exactly where I've heard that, but it still totally seems like the sort of unfair thing that they'd do so I just always assumed 'yeah, plausible. SM is totally that sort of douche bag.'

@ Tropo specifically--I don't remember if you've already said this or not, but have you tried emailing Liz directly to get messages reinstated? She's usually much more helpful than general SM Support and will do the right thing by girls more often then not. I've gone to her before for major issues general support was useless at solving and she really is nice. If that doesn't work, Vanessa (SM model rep) is another good bet. She has an account on here, so you could email or PM her.

ScarletSage
06-23-2015, 02:45 AM
I'm wondering if the 30% rate is based on your location or the nationality on your ID. I will move to a western europe country soon, so hopefully i will get a higher percentage. But if they are doing it based on your nationality, it sucks.

tropo
06-23-2015, 03:57 AM
@ Tropo specifically--I don't remember if you've already said this or not, but have you tried emailing Liz directly to get messages reinstated? She's usually much more helpful than general SM Support and will do the right thing by girls more often then not. I've gone to her before for major issues general support was useless at solving and she really is nice. If that doesn't work, Vanessa (SM model rep) is another good bet. She has an account on here, so you could email or PM her.

Thanks for the suggestion. I was not aware that any support staff were available through here. How could I find their email addresses or User ID's so I can contact them? Searching for "vanessa" or "Liz" didn't help.

pixiepower329
06-23-2015, 04:30 AM
It is based on what country you stream from.

AliceFun
06-23-2015, 05:06 AM
SM is based in the US, yes, the countries that get 35% are US, UK, Canada, Australia & some countries from Western Europe. These are "The elite countries", the western zone. The rest of the world gets 30% by default including my country.

I quote myself now cause i wanna make it clear, i typed "elite countries" in brackets because this was my term, to express disapproval towards SM's policy regarding the percentage they pay to "non-elite/ non-western" countries, it is discrimination indeed, we already face soo much discrimination but the lower percentage?! It makes my heart bleed i tell u! 5 YEARS on the site & i still cant get over it when i read how others are paid 35%.

The explanation with the risk of fraud from '3rd worlds countries' how i bet they call us (again, is my personal guess) is bullshit because let me tell u a few facts: if you are in one of these countries, the countries are blocked by default for memberships, u cant even get a membership, i tried to sign up myself and i did not even get the page to display, my country is fully blocked on SM, i mean is loading/ opening the main page but then u cant enter people's rooms or access the member area.

Then again, the only countries who can register a membership are the ones from where members spend, again the "elite segment" of countries. So their story is a made up story period, there is no way my nationals for example could fraud the site when they have no option to open up a membership account, right? Does this make sense?! Over the years i got maybe a few guys from India, Mexico or Saudi Emirates talking to me in freechat who never spent, they said they used a debit card w.o funds on it just to register & prove their age, i guess SM just forgot to block these countries lol.

There is no cam site who does this but SM, yes we cant do anything about it, right? How could we? If an american for example was given a lower percent he/she will raise hell & will have the tools to sue SM but we cant do shit, that's how it is, we need to swallow it together with all the discrimination we face on cam site(s). Ehh, we are the '3rd world countries', right? We dont deserve same treatment like the Elite (i am sarcastic & frustrated, it's just not fair). By the way, i dont wanna read comments like "If u dont like it go elsewhere, just dont dare! LOL

euro_princess
06-23-2015, 06:03 AM
I'm wondering if the 30% rate is based on your location or the nationality on your ID. I will move to a western europe country soon, so hopefully i will get a higher percentage. But if they are doing it based on your nationality, it sucks.

I think should be based on the country you stream from, because you'll pay taxes there. At least, that's the logic, but SM sometimes beats it!

AliceFun
06-23-2015, 08:44 AM
Ok, i promised people in here a print screen of the block session messages, here it is now:

I re-read the yellow marked text & understand now what it means, before i understood I WILL BE PENALIZED if i DID NOT disconnect but now i read it like I WILL NOT BE PENALIZED if i decide to disconnect. The way they put it is kinda confusing for a non native in english. Yeah, understanding mistake, i did not get the meaning before as i was focused on doing my show, the 'penalized' word upset me lol; today i remembered to take a print screen right after my member left.

tropo
06-23-2015, 10:14 AM
I quote myself now cause i wanna make it clear, i typed "elite countries" in brackets because this was my term, to express disapproval towards SM's policy regarding the percentage they pay to "non-elite/ non-western" countries, it is discrimination indeed, we already face soo much discrimination but the lower percentage?! It makes my heart bleed i tell u! 5 YEARS on the site & i still cant get over it when i read how others are paid 35%.

The explanation with the risk of fraud from '3rd worlds countries' how i bet they call us (again, is my personal guess) is bullshit because let me tell u a few facts: if you are in one of these countries, the countries are blocked by default for memberships, u cant even get a membership, i tried to sign up myself and i did not even get the page to display, my country is fully blocked on SM, i mean is loading/ opening the main page but then u cant enter people's rooms or access the member area.

Then again, the only countries who can register a membership are the ones from where members spend, again the "elite segment" of countries. So their story is a made up story period, there is no way my nationals for example could fraud the site when they have no option to open up a membership account, right? Does this make sense?! Over the years i got maybe a few guys from India, Mexico or Saudi Emirates talking to me in freechat who never spent, they said they used a debit card w.o funds on it just to register & prove their age, i guess SM just forgot to block these countries lol.

There is no cam site who does this but SM, yes we cant do anything about it, right? How could we? If an american for example was given a lower percent he/she will raise hell & will have the tools to sue SM but we cant do shit, that's how it is, we need to swallow it together with all the discrimination we face on cam site(s). Ehh, we are the '3rd world countries', right? We dont deserve same treatment like the Elite (i am sarcastic & frustrated, it's just not fair). By the way, i dont wanna read comments like "If u dont like it go elsewhere, just dont dare! LOL

Well put! 35% is really low, but 30% is below one third. They do it because they can get away with it. I did get the "take it or leave it" (not in so many words, but close enough) email from support when I first signed up and complained.

KatyBoleyn
06-23-2015, 10:24 AM
SM isn't the only site that does this, CB was doing it - at least for a while and may still be doing it. They figured 30% would be the magic number where it wouldn't be worth it for mobster to launder money through the site. Trust me when I say they still attempt it (running a daily pay service makes us a prime target as well). When you're fencing stolen credit cards, even 20% cammodels income is good.

DancesWithSloths
06-23-2015, 10:29 AM
^^ I'm kind of ashamed of my naivety, but how on earth would one accomplish that? Pretend to be a camgirl?

LaylaLovely
06-23-2015, 10:33 AM
They have cam girls sign up and the money goes through the camgirl to them.. I heard about it from a top earner on mfc... She was #1 then disappeared and ppl said she was in legal trouble. Basically if your a guy doing this you would get your gf to sign up and just pay her on her account..making it seem to other girls that she's making bank...when really she's not her bf is in the background using the stolen credit cards on her...just using the camsite

pixiepower329
06-23-2015, 10:33 AM
With a site that has no chargebacks, such as SM-- a scam artist kites stolen CC's by using them on models who are "in on the take". They then get their proceeds from said model, the account gets closed for the stolen card, and they come back later with a new ID, new CC, new everything.

DancesWithSloths
06-23-2015, 10:44 AM
Bloody hell, people are awful.

AliceFun
06-23-2015, 11:11 AM
As a honest cam model here i was not even thinking about these things simply, they never came to my mind cause i am not a criminal, what these people do is indeed awful. Now i see why SM would keep 5% from all models in the 'risky zone', to cover the loss in case some bad guys & girls fraud them? But this is a risk any company takes, right?
I blamed SM in my previous post calling discrimination, i was just not aware of how bad guys fraud cam sites, working at home on my own for soo many years & keeping it all secret i really did not get in contact with the stolen CC mafia who operates on cam sites, i knew these crimes exists but i had no idea how they do it with cam sites. I have mixed feelings just now regarding this matter so i dont know what to say, i still wish i could get 35% from SM but i guess because bad guys including my nationals are wandering all around doing bad things.... then we honest cam girls get 'punished' with a lower percent. Not cool!

ETA: as tropo mentioned below, the 5% they keep from ALL the countries except 'elite' area is a huge chunk, much more than the 'losses' they could have from the sporadic fraud cases. Anyway, it hurts to be paid lower than ur coworkers, period, it's not MY fault as a cam model because others are bad, many guys are bad including the ones in 'elite' countries.