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doublerainbow
06-23-2015, 11:30 AM
I have a sort of random question.. and it's happening on SM so figured I would post here. Someone wants to do a diaper show with me and has asked me to go buy adult diapers for him. I've never encountered anything like this before and am struggling a little between the general expensiveness of such a fetish vs... I dunno, my kind nature? X)

My question is.. for making the special shopping trip and dealing with the embarrassment of buying something like this in-store rather than online (since he doesn't want to wait), plus the actual cost (around $20 maybe for the kind he wants), do you think 150 gold is a fair amount to ask for? It'd be $45 my cut.. which feels kind of low for all the effort involved concerning I can easily make over $100 my cut in a couple hours just doing normal shows... but I don't want to ask for too much either. He's new to the site and seems like a sweet guy. I dunno, am I being dumb about it?

tropo
06-23-2015, 11:38 AM
SM isn't the only site that does this, CB was doing it - at least for a while and may still be doing it. They figured 30% would be the magic number where it wouldn't be worth it for mobster to launder money through the site. Trust me when I say they still attempt it (running a daily pay service makes us a prime target as well). When you're fencing stolen credit cards, even 20% cammodels income is good.

No, that's not the reason at all. There's as 3 week delay from the end of the weekly pay cutoff (Saturday?) until they send my money out for models living in "non-elite" countries. That's means there's a full month from the start of the pay week until my pay is sent. That is what prevents money laundering, not the 30%. Anyway, 30% and 35% are both really bad anyway - there's not much in it - but enough to make models form "non-elite" countries feel bad. To be honest, I had no idea there was a pay differential until I heard about it on here - most models from "non-elite" countries wouldn't know they're being fleeced.

LOL, apologizing for SM paying so badly? CB is fantastic by comparison. No pay delay and a full 50%. I stream to both at the same time, but CB is much nicer to work on and I can make nearly double on the same per-minute private rate. Also, customer support on CB treats you like a person and there's no discrimination as to where you stream from.

tropo
06-23-2015, 11:44 AM
I have a sort of random question.. and it's happening on SM so figured I would post here. Someone wants to do a diaper show with me and has asked me to go buy adult diapers for him. I've never encountered anything like this before and am struggling a little between the general expensiveness of such a fetish vs... I dunno, my kind nature? X)

My question is.. for making the special shopping trip and dealing with the embarrassment of buying something like this in-store rather than online (since he doesn't want to wait), plus the actual cost (around $20 maybe for the kind he wants), do you think 150 gold is a fair amount to ask for? It'd be $45 my cut.. which feels kind of low for all the effort involved concerning I can easily make over $100 my cut in a couple hours just doing normal shows... but I don't want to ask for too much either. He's new to the site and seems like a sweet guy. I dunno, am I being dumb about it?

Don't be embarrassed to pick up adult diapers from a store. Who do you think picks up adult diapers for their elderly parents?

AliceFun
06-23-2015, 11:53 AM
^^^ This! I got huge bags of adult diapers from the store for my mom when she had the last stroke, obviously it was not for myself right? I was on my feet walking around so yeah, no need to be embarrassed.

Kitcatt
06-23-2015, 12:00 PM
I have a sort of random question.. and it's happening on SM so figured I would post here. Someone wants to do a diaper show with me and has asked me to go buy adult diapers for him. I've never encountered anything like this before and am struggling a little between the general expensiveness of such a fetish vs... I dunno, my kind nature? X)

My question is.. for making the special shopping trip and dealing with the embarrassment of buying something like this in-store rather than online (since he doesn't want to wait), plus the actual cost (around $20 maybe for the kind he wants), do you think 150 gold is a fair amount to ask for? It'd be $45 my cut.. which feels kind of low for all the effort involved concerning I can easily make over $100 my cut in a couple hours just doing normal shows... but I don't want to ask for too much either. He's new to the site and seems like a sweet guy. I dunno, am I being dumb about it?

I think I've had that guy, if it is the same guy, he won't bite on buying the diapers for you, he'll just keep describing the diapers he wants you to buy whenever you suggest that he needs to pay for them. You could also suggest putting it on your wishlist and having them purchase them there. Generally the ABDL's that I've run into on SM have been EXTREMELY cheap (like 3 min excl) except for 1 shining exception.

And just to clarify, are you asking for 150 gold to purchase the diapers, or is that the show and the diapers? I think that would be a tough sell. If he IS interested I'd say 50 gold to purchase them then a 30 min block exclusive session for the performance. But that's just my opinion, and probably not a good one. I hate purchasing things for performances and try to avoid it at all cost unless I've had a lot of interest in that item from multiple users. That way, even if they never come back for the show, at least I have it for a later date.

tropo
06-23-2015, 12:04 PM
I think I've had that guy, if it is the same guy, he won't bite on buying the diapers for you, he'll just keep describing the diapers he wants you to buy whenever you suggest that he needs to pay for them. You could also suggest putting it on your wishlist and having them purchase them there. Generally the ABDL's that I've run into on SM have been EXTREMELY cheap (like 3 min excl) except for 1 shining exception.

And just to clarify, are you asking for 150 gold to purchase the diapers, or is that the show and the diapers? I think that would be a tough sell. If he IS interested I'd say 50 gold to purchase them then a 30 min block exclusive session for the performance. But that's just my opinion, and probably not a good one. I hate purchasing things for performances and try to avoid it at all cost unless I've had a lot of interest in that item from multiple users. That way, even if they never come back for the show, at least I have it for a later date.

Sorry, I couldn't resist...If you bought the adult diapers for a show but didn't use them you could store them for future use LOL... and probably save some money (in the future) due to inflation.

SweetieBitch
06-23-2015, 12:05 PM
I have a sort of random question.. and it's happening on SM so figured I would post here. Someone wants to do a diaper show with me and has asked me to go buy adult diapers for him. I've never encountered anything like this before and am struggling a little between the general expensiveness of such a fetish vs... I dunno, my kind nature? X)

My question is.. for making the special shopping trip and dealing with the embarrassment of buying something like this in-store rather than online (since he doesn't want to wait), plus the actual cost (around $20 maybe for the kind he wants), do you think 150 gold is a fair amount to ask for? It'd be $45 my cut.. which feels kind of low for all the effort involved concerning I can easily make over $100 my cut in a couple hours just doing normal shows... but I don't want to ask for too much either. He's new to the site and seems like a sweet guy. I dunno, am I being dumb about it?

I think it's good to ask for extra gold for special requests, but make him pay that before you get the materials. A sort of "diaper deposit", if you will, lol. Then you won't get screwed over if he doesn't actually take you for a show after you buy them. If it were me I'd also make him do an exclusive block session so I know it'll be worth the time.

Susperia
06-23-2015, 12:11 PM
SM sucks today, bunch of newbies in my room all wanting shit for free, can't get anyone to take me private....also encountering the revolving door of ins and outs....sorry for the off topic rant....but $12 in 2 hours ain't cutting it....where are all these stupid new guys coming from.....are they coming from Flirt4Free or what.....cuz as soon as I tell them they can see my ass for a tip or tip me to stand up they immediately leave. Frustrated as all get out right now.

I also just upgraded my cam from a C270 to a C920. Finding out I need better lighting and trying to get used to the dimensions since this new cam has farther angles, so I feel a little awkward and it also shows all my skin flaws....ugh, don't like that.

tropo
06-23-2015, 12:24 PM
SM sucks today, bunch of newbies in my room all wanting shit for free, can't get anyone to take me private....also encountering the revolving door of ins and outs....sorry for the off topic rant....but $12 in 2 hours ain't cutting it....where are all these stupid new guys coming from.....are they coming from Flirt4Free or what.....cuz as soon as I tell them they can see my ass for a tip or tip me to stand up they immediately leave. Frustrated as all get out right now.

I also just upgraded my cam from a C270 to a C920. Finding out I need better lighting and trying to get used to the dimensions since this new cam has farther angles, so I feel a little awkward and it also shows all my skin flaws....ugh, don't like that.

I hear you. I'm still using a Logitech pro 5000 from 2006 LOL. I have a Logitech c920 and also a Lifecam Studio. Too much detail LOL. Cam'ing creates a fantasy world, and I can't beat my old webcam when it comes to setting adjustments. When you've been on a camera for so long, it's hard to change. It was hard to set up the old cam in Windows 7 as it is not supported . I dread one day I'll no longer be able to use it, but that should be many years down the track. I even bought some second hand same old model cams (I bought 3) off eBay as my original was no longer working.

doublerainbow
06-23-2015, 12:25 PM
Sorry, I couldn't resist...If you bought the adult diapers for a show but didn't use them you could store them for future use LOL... and probably save some money (in the future) due to inflation.

Omg you just broke my seriousness barrier haha! That was awesome. X)

Thanks for all the advice girls, yeah the 150 gold would be for me to make the trip and purchase on its own. I've actually had a handful of guys asking if I have diapers since I started on SM so maybe it'll be worth it just by getting me to actually purchase some. And a big thanks to pointing out that I must be buying them for an elderly relative, can't believe I hadn't realized that!! :D

TheOutlier
06-23-2015, 12:41 PM
SM sucks today, bunch of newbies in my room all wanting shit for free, can't get anyone to take me private....also encountering the revolving door of ins and outs....sorry for the off topic rant....but $12 in 2 hours ain't cutting it....where are all these stupid new guys coming from.....are they coming from Flirt4Free or what.....cuz as soon as I tell them they can see my ass for a tip or tip me to stand up they immediately leave. Frustrated as all get out right now.

I also just upgraded my cam from a C270 to a C920. Finding out I need better lighting and trying to get used to the dimensions since this new cam has farther angles, so I feel a little awkward and it also shows all my skin flaws....ugh, don't like that.

Yea, I don't know what is up but I've had an influx of extra cheap and (attempted) freeloaders today too.

MsBellaSpanxx
06-23-2015, 12:42 PM
I think I've had that guy, if it is the same guy, he won't bite on buying the diapers for you, he'll just keep describing the diapers he wants you to buy whenever you suggest that he needs to pay for them. You could also suggest putting it on your wishlist and having them purchase them there. Generally the ABDL's that I've run into on SM have been EXTREMELY cheap (like 3 min excl) except for 1 shining exception.

Yup. I think I've had this guy too. He told me he was new, asked me to buy diapers and spent a lot of time describing the exact brand and "crinkle sound" he wanted. Suggested I sign up to some website to get a free sample since I told him I wouldn't pay out of pocket for something unless he tipped in. He was rather confusing from the get-go and I thought HE was the one interested in wearing a diaper at first, so our communication fizzled out quickly after that.

So, there is always the free sample option if you are in the US/Canada. But definitely still charge him for your time and effort and special request (if he is even serious) so many time wasters out there.

DancesWithSloths
06-23-2015, 12:44 PM
SM sucks today, bunch of newbies in my room all wanting shit for free, can't get anyone to take me private....also encountering the revolving door of ins and outs....sorry for the off topic rant....but $12 in 2 hours ain't cutting it....where are all these stupid new guys coming from.....are they coming from Flirt4Free or what.....cuz as soon as I tell them they can see my ass for a tip or tip me to stand up they immediately leave. Frustrated as all get out right now.

I hear you - the new guys have been getting on my nerves so much for the last few days. I have no idea what to do with them.

"How does this work bb?"

How do you bloody well think it works - insert money, receive minge in your face. What could be easier?

doublerainbow
06-23-2015, 12:59 PM
Yup. I think I've had this guy too. He told me he was new, asked me to buy diapers and spent a lot of time describing the exact brand and "crinkle sound" he wanted. Suggested I sign up to some website to get a free sample since I told him I wouldn't pay out of pocket for something unless he tipped in. He was rather confusing from the get-go and I thought HE was the one interested in wearing a diaper at first, so our communication fizzled out quickly after that.

So, there is always the free sample option if you are in the US/Canada. But definitely still charge him for your time and effort and special request (if he is even serious) so many time wasters out there.

My guy hasn't really been descriptive at all beyond saying what brand he wants me to buy, and he took me excl just to talk about it and listen to me talk about how excited I was to do it.. so I think he's legit. Here's hoping. n_n

Prussia
06-23-2015, 07:33 PM
I think I'm getting the same diaper guy as you girls... I told him no diaper fetish, to look up tags on the site and see if they produce any models that offer it instead of attempting to hit and miss trying to covert girls. He got bent, called me a cunt and left. Came back later that night and joined my gold show and wall texted how he is going to cum in the diaper he is wearing.

Kimber Knight
06-23-2015, 10:19 PM
***FINALLY***

My room seriously picked up momentum today & tonight on SM.

Started 4 weeks ago, but I was wishy/washy logging in. Then my mom got really sick. So, I have only had 11 login days. And I had great results. Got my "regs" coming back over & over.

Tonight, I reached my $100 goal!!! (well... $98.72). $52 this afternoon -- then logged back in around 8:45 tonight. By 9:55 I made another $46 (approx... don't have SM open now).

This girl is exhausted! Going to shower and hot tea -- then hit the sheets!

LittleSexBunny
06-23-2015, 10:26 PM
mannnnnn I just wanted to stay and cam tonight :( but my suddenlink service is due for some maintenance... I'm not risking being in the middle of a gold show so i'm cutting out 2 hours early tonight :( ahhhhhh I was TRYING to pull a double today. sad sad night lol. Double again tomorrow SM. I can do this.

Scottish_Ruby
06-24-2015, 03:27 AM
Ok so im still pretty new to sm but iv been camming nearly a year im on the front page which is a massive achievement for me im just wondering what other girls rates are like I think mine are pretty low $3.49 pvt $4.49 exclusive I only spend around 20-25% of time in paid chat so im nervous about raising my rates what do you girls suggest?

DeepThoughts
06-24-2015, 03:46 AM
Ok so im still pretty new to sm but iv been camming nearly a year im on the front page which is a massive achievement for me im just wondering what other girls rates are like I think mine are pretty low $3.49 pvt $4.49 exclusive I only spend around 20-25% of time in paid chat so im nervous about raising my rates what do you girls suggest?


Your way low and that hurts all of us on the front page! Plus your not making as much as you could be. Put those rate right up and we will all feel a lot better ;)

Staples
06-24-2015, 03:54 AM
Ok so im still pretty new to sm but iv been camming nearly a year im on the front page which is a massive achievement for me im just wondering what other girls rates are like I think mine are pretty low $3.49 pvt $4.49 exclusive I only spend around 20-25% of time in paid chat so im nervous about raising my rates what do you girls suggest?

Honestly, do what works for you. I charge $3.99 prem and $5.99 excl. I've tried going higher and my earnings tank. These rates let me earn the most. I've tried lowering them and I feel like I'm not earning enough for the work I put in. These rates are my happy medium. When I decide I want a raise I make myself earn at least 15 percent more than my goal two weeks in a row. If I do that then I give myself a 20 cent per minute raise. Lately I haven't felt the need to do that because I'm making good money at the rates I charge. Don't be afraid to raise your rates but don't be afraid to leave them where they are if they are working for you.

tropo
06-24-2015, 06:16 AM
Your way low and that hurts all of us on the front page! Plus your not making as much as you could be. Put those rate right up and we will all feel a lot better ;)

That's illogical. She does 20 - 25% in paid chat which will go down if she raises her rates... and then hope to more than compensate for the dip by her increased rates. This is the problem with 30 - 35% payout. You only get 30 - 35 cents for every dollar you raise rates, but every dollar you increase your rates is a big increase for the customers. She has to put up her rates up by at least $3 to gain an extra dollar of profit.

There's something else which needs to be considered when working on cam - boredom. Waiting around too long in the hope to catch some big spenders can be very draining on energy and enthusiasm. It's better to stay busy for a lower rate than lose all interest out of boredom. I work hard for my money at low rates, but slow nights are more tiring for me than to keep moving at low rates.

The demand for a particular model also needs to be considered. Not all models can command the same price. You can get the feeling from reading this forum that all models were created equal, but unfortunately they weren't. This is reality.

Blaming other girls for your problems hardly seems fair. The number of girls posting here and hurting you would be minuscule compared to the thousands of girls who have never read this forum and are hurting you.

I am one of those "way low" girls, but as I'm probably not on the front page (don't know where I am - can't see me) I'm not hurting you.

AliceFun
06-24-2015, 06:45 AM
The demand for a particular model also needs to be considered. Not all models can command the same price. You can get the feeling from reading this forum that all models were created equal, but unfortunately they weren't. This is reality.

True indeed, if u put a gorgeous sexy girl/ 'sex bomb' and an average looking girl next to eachother having the same prices u'll see the members will pay & value the gorgeous girl mostly & wont spend the same/ pay a the same price to the average looking.


Blaming other girls for your problems hardly seems fair. The number of girls posting here and hurting you would be minuscule compared to the thousands of girls who have never read this forum and are hurting you.

I am one of those "way low" girls, but as I'm probably not on the front page (don't know where I am - can't see me) I'm not hurting you.

I charge medium prices, am on the front page or 2nd depending on how many are online, still people wont pay more than 3.99/4.99 FOR ME. That is the price that works for me so i stay with it.

Never asked the members where u positioned on site tropo? Maybe u wanna do this just so u know where u at.

euaici
06-24-2015, 06:47 AM
Actually, it is very logical to try to make all people charge more. It's like a syndicate or something, because yeah, there are people who can't afford, but there are way more people who just saw that they can be cheap.

it's true that not all models are the same, but if you never try to get more, surely you won't.

I was also streaming on LiveJasmin, which is indeed full of studios and girls charging 1.99. And yes, I was all the time in private at that figure, and believing people saying that you can't charge more if you are not a certain kind of model, not on 12 hours a day, etc, etc. But I got fed up with how little I was making, for how much work, and decided to charge 2.99. Guess what, I was still in private like 70-80% of the time (the rest I was taking breaks, lol). But I got only very demanding clients, including things like 1.5 hours in private, wanting me to dildo alllll the damn time, and keeping it up with faster, harder.

So after two such wonderful clients, I didn't get back on for a week on LJ, and that day clearly I wasn't loging on on another site.

Yes, I am generally a lot more time in free chat on SM, but I charge more and don't allow the clients to wear me out so much. I can even say that I was on from time to time on KL, and charging 4.99-9.99. And the rare client who did pay 9.99 was actually making me way more money, in a way shorter period of time, and didn't make me wanna throw the PC out the window. So I could easily stay on and be nice in free chat and such.

Of course, every model should see for herself what are the best prices and free/private ratio, and yes, there are many girls who do not read the forum. I was one of them, and charged little and was always unsatisfied. I read the forum, raised my rates and are happier. that didn't make all the studio girls raise hers, but I am pretty sure it actually differentiate me from them, in the sense that the idiot customers who come to studio girls with idiotic demands, being sure they have to satisfy them, will ignore me. And I really am happy about that.

tropo
06-24-2015, 08:34 AM
Actually, it is very logical to try to make all people charge more. It's like a syndicate or something, because yeah, there are people who can't afford, but there are way more people who just saw that they can be cheap.

it's true that not all models are the same, but if you never try to get more, surely you won't.

I was also streaming on LiveJasmin, which is indeed full of studios and girls charging 1.99. And yes, I was all the time in private at that figure, and believing people saying that you can't charge more if you are not a certain kind of model, not on 12 hours a day, etc, etc. But I got fed up with how little I was making, for how much work, and decided to charge 2.99. Guess what, I was still in private like 70-80% of the time (the rest I was taking breaks, lol). But I got only very demanding clients, including things like 1.5 hours in private, wanting me to dildo alllll the damn time, and keeping it up with faster, harder.

So after two such wonderful clients, I didn't get back on for a week on LJ, and that day clearly I wasn't loging on on another site.

Yes, I am generally a lot more time in free chat on SM, but I charge more and don't allow the clients to wear me out so much. I can even say that I was on from time to time on KL, and charging 4.99-9.99. And the rare client who did pay 9.99 was actually making me way more money, in a way shorter period of time, and didn't make me wanna throw the PC out the window. So I could easily stay on and be nice in free chat and such.

Of course, every model should see for herself what are the best prices and free/private ratio, and yes, there are many girls who do not read the forum. I was one of them, and charged little and was always unsatisfied. I read the forum, raised my rates and are happier. that didn't make all the studio girls raise hers, but I am pretty sure it actually differentiate me from them, in the sense that the idiot customers who come to studio girls with idiotic demands, being sure they have to satisfy them, will ignore me. And I really am happy about that.

My post was directed specifically at a girl who spends 20 - 25% of her time in private at a certain price.

If a girl is in private (for example) 90% or more of the time, then most definitely she is undercharging and should charge more... which seems to be your case before. It still comes down to model desirability - something you're obviously blessed with. If a model cannot make a living even at a lower price, then this is not a good business for her. Without a certain X-factor, a girl is just not going to find this job lucrative no matter what she charges.

So yes, some may be undercharging, some may be overcharging and others are charging just right. You may have done OK on LiveJasmin at 3.99 or higher if you have the X-factor (which I'm sure you have). I've found the sweet spot that works for me and I tend to be in private about 50% of the time on average. If I raise the price, that will drop to 20% or less - not a good business decision as my hourly dollar income is the most important consideration. I don't ram anything deep or fast for customers. I do it my way, a way I'm comfortable with, which is a particular version of vanilla LOL. If a guy wants anal, I suggest he finds another girl. If a customer finds my performance inadequate, he will leave - it's his choice. Mostly customers are in my room because they like my particular look, not because of what I do, so a lot of my privates are just chat sessions or modelling.

The problem with SM is that the payout percent (less than 1/3 in my case) is so bad that models are forced to charge quite a lot in order to get very little.

DeepThoughts
06-24-2015, 10:51 AM
That's illogical. She does 20 - 25% in paid chat which will go down if she raises her rates... and then hope to more than compensate for the dip by her increased rates. This is the problem with 30 - 35% payout. You only get 30 - 35 cents for every dollar you raise rates, but every dollar you increase your rates is a big increase for the customers. She has to put up her rates up by at least $3 to gain an extra dollar of profit.

There's something else which needs to be considered when working on cam - boredom. Waiting around too long in the hope to catch some big spenders can be very draining on energy and enthusiasm. It's better to stay busy for a lower rate than lose all interest out of boredom. I work hard for my money at low rates, but slow nights are more tiring for me than to keep moving at low rates.

The demand for a particular model also needs to be considered. Not all models can command the same price. You can get the feeling from reading this forum that all models were created equal, but unfortunately they weren't. This is reality.

Blaming other girls for your problems hardly seems fair. The number of girls posting here and hurting you would be minuscule compared to the thousands of girls who have never read this forum and are hurting you.

I am one of those "way low" girls, but as I'm probably not on the front page (don't know where I am - can't see me) I'm not hurting you.

Wow Tropo! Your response seems very angry! I didnt blame anyone for any "problems". I was just trying to provide encouragement to this girl to make more money. She clearly has proven that she is good at camming because she is located on the front page so putting up her rates makes good business sense. If your providing a quality experience then you entitled to charge according to your value. Girls land on the front page because they are hard working and take pride in how they run their room so setting a higher price is EARNED! Therefore it should be taken advantage of.

All your other arguments seem to suggest that this girl is not worth more money and she needs to be happy with 20-25% paid cause she can only go down. Well honey your wrong because there is always room to move up.

The reason you can get the feeling from this forum that all models were created equal is because we are but our business strategies certainly are not and that is the only reason some girls fail and some flourish!

Scottish_Ruby
06-24-2015, 12:29 PM
Thank you all for your responses I have upped my rate slightly to $3.99 pvt and $4.99 exclusive I dont feel I can charge a huge price yet even with my placement I dont really have regs as such yet I have only been on sm for 3 weeks and havent been on long enough/ days atm due to having ill children il see how tonight goes and once I start gaining more popularity il raise them a bit higher.

doublerainbow
06-24-2015, 12:35 PM
If I might chime in here, I've found that in actuality most models are in fact created equal - plain or glam, fat or skinny, the only really limited ones are those who hate the job or have an overall lack of personality. Attractiveness is SO dependent on the individual's opinion and unless you're obviously unhappy with what you're doing or uncomfortable with who you are, there are customers to whom you are perfection incarnate.

Someone called me a boy today. I am not his idea of perfection. The guy who swooped in to take me for a long excl at 9.99/min so I could show him how 'not a boy' I am, yeah, I was his own personal jesus.

I'm the opposite of glam, never wear makeup or do my hair (what little there is of it), very rarely wear anything sexier than a shirt and comfy cotton panties and won't show so much as a nipple in free chat. I run my room exactly the way I want to. Hell, I have some of the crappiest internet out of all the girls here who've posted theirs, my feed is blocky/choppy sometimes and my lighting is adequate at best.

With all of that tech riding against me and with my look deviating from the generally accepted "camgirl sexpot" ideal, I consistently make my goals. It's my preference to spend time "fishing" in free chat rather than wiping myself out doing back to back shows so I keep my rates high-ish and wait for the whales... and they come because everyone is someone's ideal.

If you charge it, they will come. ;D (But only if you know that's what you're worth.... and you're not a total bore.)

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
06-24-2015, 12:48 PM
Just because you are on the front page of sm doesnt mean you are good at what you do or that you are a bomb ass camgirl. Theres more that goes into it and typically no one in an open forum seems to want to keep it 100. Personally I don't condone low rates. and I consider those to be $3.99 and below. But I can't control what they do. However I do know that a standard has been set for at lest 3 of the 4 categories I reside in. I wonder if its the cammers being trained into offering more for less because they fall for that pimp talk.

@Deepthoughts how does charging lower rates affect people on the front page of sm?

Kimber Knight
06-24-2015, 12:51 PM
Hey. For SM, isn't payment calculated on Wednesday to see on the site?

I don't see my check info yet.

Marina Starr
06-24-2015, 12:55 PM
Sometimes you won't see it until Thursday. Make sure you let support know you want to be put
on weekly pay!

Hey. For SM, isn't payment calculated on Wednesday to see on the site?

I don't see my check info yet.

Kitcatt
06-24-2015, 12:59 PM
Ok so im still pretty new to sm but iv been camming nearly a year im on the front page which is a massive achievement for me im just wondering what other girls rates are like I think mine are pretty low $3.49 pvt $4.49 exclusive I only spend around 20-25% of time in paid chat so im nervous about raising my rates what do you girls suggest?

Easiest way to look at other cam providers prices is here: www.reviewmycam.com it only shows the premium price, but you'll get an idea of what other people charge

Kimber Knight
06-24-2015, 01:07 PM
Sometimes you won't see it until Thursday. Make sure you let support know you want to be put
on weekly pay!

I thought it was weekly pay by default. No???? Ugh. FML!

Kimber Knight
06-24-2015, 01:11 PM
Marina Starr... is there a specific contact at SM or just via the support page?

Marina Starr
06-24-2015, 01:33 PM
Via support in your account!

Marina Starr... is there a specific contact at SM or just via the support page?

euaici
06-24-2015, 01:35 PM
@ Tropo Actually, now that i am higher price, I don't need to not offer toys or harder faster, because the clients very rarely ask for them. I am much more interesting for the fetish crowd and such. But I noticed that, when I had another site with a lower price on together with SM, the privates on SM were fetish/respectful guys, very interested in talk and jokes and so on, and on the cheaper site I had the rude, demanding, biggest toy bb crowd.

So i don't know if it's so much X-factor or anything as much as the cheap guys/frustrated guys who want to vent on what they perceive to be a cheap whore. As doublerainbow said, i am also very far from the top model supposed look - closer to 40 than 30 (no way 20, lol), i'm not skinny, don't have big boobs, the only make up I use is lipstick, and i am staying pretty much dressed in free, I don't even get up except for a tip.

I know you are a person works hard and many hours, and kudos to you because you can do it, but not everybody is able to do that. I know I was not, so even if I had 1 hour clients, that was not giving me a high total amount, because I couldn't take many hours of it. So every girl must check for herself if the amount she makes from 2 hours of non-stop private at a lower price in a day then 2-3 days off is better or not compared to 6 hours of 25% private at a higher price, 5 days in a row. But of course, you can't know this until you experiment for a while with each.

euro_princess
06-24-2015, 01:52 PM
*I feel some big egos in the air*

The whole point of this forum is to encourage each other. Work harder, stay online, improve your equipment and yes, charge more. Staying at the same price won't get you higher. Raising them might drop you. But you have to take the chance.
Adding $0.50 - $1 won't hurt their wallets, but maybe will improve your confidence.

tropo
06-24-2015, 05:03 PM
Wow Tropo! Your response seems very angry! I didnt blame anyone for any "problems". I was just trying to provide encouragement to this girl to make more money. She clearly has proven that she is good at camming because she is located on the front page so putting up her rates makes good business sense. If your providing a quality experience then you entitled to charge according to your value. Girls land on the front page because they are hard working and take pride in how they run their room so setting a higher price is EARNED! Therefore it should be taken advantage of.

All your other arguments seem to suggest that this girl is not worth more money and she needs to be happy with 20-25% paid cause she can only go down. Well honey your wrong because there is always room to move up.

The reason you can get the feeling from this forum that all models were created equal is because we are but our business strategies certainly are not and that is the only reason some girls fail and some flourish!

LOL. I toned it down for the more sensitive on here...

ZoeLee
06-24-2015, 05:07 PM
I only have 1mbs up at the minute, should be getting faster soon, and I use the encoder. I set the framerate to 15 and use 640x320 with a 700kb bitrate limit. I occasionally have issues as my bandwidth drops even further(!) but for the most part it is ok. I would definitely recommend doing it. The last three parts of the rankings page are all related to using the encoder, I would rather have yes' there than no's. Keep an eye on your bitrate for the stream and the amount of dropped frames. My advice would be to have a lower framerate if your internet is slow. Cinema is shot at 24 frames a second as that is the limit of the human brain so anything above is fairly ancillary. To be honest I don't think my stream is that bad either at only 15, its not great but not so bad people complain all day!

As for geoblock, its a waste of time IMO. Admittedly I was blocking a country but not only could I log on and see myself if I searched I also had heaps of Australian guys coming in anyway. Since I took it off, everything did get slightly easier and now I can check my placement and moan about how low I am. lol

x

I was just catching up on what everyone was talking about... and this caught my attention.
The frame rates and mbps and all that jazz... honestly, i dont understand ANY of it. Can you explain it to me? Or can someone explain it or link me?
To me its just a bunch of numbers and doesnt mean anything, but apparently it does =/

Prussia
06-24-2015, 05:15 PM
Easiest way to look at other cam providers prices is here: www.reviewmycam.com (http://www.reviewmycam.com) it only shows the premium price, but you'll get an idea of what other people charge

http://www.gowebcams.com is another good site that compares premium show prices, both SM & LJ.

Kimber Knight
06-24-2015, 06:32 PM
Hi beauties!

Got on late this afternoon
Made $38 in 45 mins!!! I think that's pretty good!

But my lady bits are sore, so I'm done for the night

brittany_bitch
06-24-2015, 07:42 PM
SO I upped my prices to 10.99 and 12.99 I am pretty sure I will get at least an hour in chat that what I need anyway but so far I have lost 2 guys and noones really coming in plus my placement dropped I DID this because even at lower I was doing nothing and I wasn't busy anyway if I am not making at least 24 an hour its not worth it to me to lower myelf I will wait around for the big guys because I work ten hours a day anyway 60 mins out of that should not be hard. So all u high priced chicks did it get better for u too ? thanks

hyori
06-24-2015, 07:51 PM
Just a tip...if you are going to price yourself high, it would be a great time to splitcam with token sites eg. MFC/CB, especially if you can do long hours. The long breaks between privates makes it ideal for you to get exposure on the high traffic token sites where you can hustle better for tips and privates. This is really working for me. There is another girl here who even lets guys watch her during her SM privates if they take her private on the token sites...so smart!

SuperPookie
06-25-2015, 10:55 AM
I opened another tab to see my placement because I'm not getting squat for traffic and I couldn't even find me. I went until I got to the men. Does this mean I'm like on page 100 or something lol?

AliceFun
06-25-2015, 12:06 PM
maybe u have geoblock on?

Prussia
06-25-2015, 12:31 PM
I opened another tab to see my placement because I'm not getting squat for traffic and I couldn't even find me. I went until I got to the men. Does this mean I'm like on page 100 or something lol?

Geocblocking, lots of poor ratings, super shitty internet and/or not using the encoder are main reasons you could be/are back several pages. Combinations of those can make placement worse. I think offline models starts anywhere around page 10-20 give or take, usually around 15 depending how many people are online. Also, see what catagories you are placed in: blonde, big boobs etc. When I first started I wasn't on the front page but my categories helped me get traffic.

PrincessfromHell
06-25-2015, 01:32 PM
I feel your pain!
I am using encoder, my video is great I checked it is all nice and smooth and I need one more 5 stars to get 5 stars overall, I am new to SM.
I get pvts still and many guys who find me go like oh wow why arent you on the first page!
wtf SM it is annoying being a new model there!
I am trying to find myself there and I just cannot! I have gone up to guys as well, but it is somewhere like page 20 smth....


I opened another tab to see my placement because I'm not getting squat for traffic and I couldn't even find me. I went until I got to the men. Does this mean I'm like on page 100 or something lol?

SuperPookie
06-25-2015, 01:57 PM
Geocblocking, lots of poor ratings, super shitty internet and/or not using the encoder are main reasons you could be/are back several pages. Combinations of those can make placement worse. I think offline models starts anywhere around page 10-20 give or take, usually around 15 depending how many people are online. Also, see what catagories you are placed in: blonde, big boobs etc. When I first started I wasn't on the front page but my categories helped me get traffic. I just had a regular check my placement and he said I'm front page in my categories. I've only made about 6 $ in 4 frigging hours because there's no one in my room:(. I thought nobody was seeing me but evidently they are but just aren't interested:(.

PrincessfromHell
06-25-2015, 01:59 PM
How did you do that doll?
I want to check my placement, I have made more than 4 bucks but it is frustrating already....peanuts


I just had a regular check my placement and he said I'm front page in my categories. I've only made about 6 $ in 4 frigging hours because there's no one in my room:(. I thought nobody was seeing me but evidently they are but just aren't interested:(.

PrincessfromHell
06-25-2015, 02:19 PM
Oh thank you!
I forgot I am a redhead, stated myself brown hair wtf, updating now!


Geocblocking, lots of poor ratings, super shitty internet and/or not using the encoder are main reasons you could be/are back several pages. Combinations of those can make placement worse. I think offline models starts anywhere around page 10-20 give or take, usually around 15 depending how many people are online. Also, see what catagories you are placed in: blonde, big boobs etc. When I first started I wasn't on the front page but my categories helped me get traffic.

plumwine
06-25-2015, 02:47 PM
I have geoblocking for my state so I can't check my placement. I have a customer account though, and I just searched for myself while logged into my customer account using my phone because I thought geoblocking doesn't work on mobile, but I couldn't find myself??