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AlyssaJane
08-01-2015, 04:22 AM
So I was just reviewing the code of conduct, and I don't see anything about period shows. Normally I just don't work during that time of the month, but one of my regs really REALLY wants a period show. Begs for it every time we have a session. I just wanted to touch base to make sure it's really ok to do if it's what the client wants.

On a side note, as the majority of our clients *aren't* into that, how do you get around it if you do what to work? I've tried the cup and ain't no way. It still leaks, can't really use a dildo (sort of but not really). I've thought about cutting the string and doing no toys that week, but I'm terrified of the horror of fishing it out without the string. I read somewhere it's a good time to do oil shows. Haven't tried that yet but I love the idea. Any other ideas?

RubyRapture
08-01-2015, 07:04 AM
Okay I gotta go back to this. Here is what Im thinking
A. Streamate tapes everything; Therefore, they currently hold tapes of child porn. That is illegal! Could they be liable for that?
B. There customer support did not inform those who need to know of pedophilia being broadcast in someones room. Is Streamate liable for their actions or are they a third party and thus liable for not taking action? We dont know the chain of command here!
C. Is Streamate obligated to keep the records of their clientele private? I would think Yes. That means they would require a court order to release the names of those customers who were involved in the viewing of these things. They cannot just hand them over, even if they wanted to!

Im thinking these thoughts because I really dont think you can point to Streamate and say they are to blame in this situation. Its an incredibly tricky situation for them and I imagine they are lawyering up first before they do anything. Lets say its your company and you discover this. At that point you also realize you are in the possession of child pornography. Not because you want to BTW but because of your policy! Its in your best interest to not make any hasty decisions here and to think about how best to handle your situation.

Dont get me wrong here if you all stop working there Im happy to take your clients but before talking shit about Streamate take one minute, Just One Minute, to think about if what your writing is your assumption or something you actually know! Because that is a huge difference! Personally until I have a reason to not to I will support Streamate 100% in their decisions because I for one know that they would not condone this behavior and did not create this amazing site so it could be abused in this terrible way.

Like I said, I can't tell the entire story because I don't know it. What I DO know is that Streamate hasn't handed over much, if any information regarding the case I have been working with. They didn't even ban the girl until Finley and I publicly shamed them on Twitter. We had emailed and called a bunch of people previously and nothing had been done. The guy I talked to on the phone was completely apathetic about the entire thing and didn't even care to know her name. It just seems that all they care about at that point is avoiding bad press. 30+ retweets of Streamate overlooking kiddie porn finally got their attention. I'm definitely going to talk shit about that. They didn't handle a dire situation in a proper or timely matter.

This woman has been working on SM for two years. They record everything. This had to have been known by someone. Girls get suspended for just saying, "Twitter" and this woman goes unnoticed for years even though she BLATANTLY talks about abusing her child in free chat. I heard her do so on three separate occasions and I was only aware of her for three days. It seemed to be her "thing." Someone had to have seen it at least once. This woman already had a record of child abuse when I called CPS.

On a side note: I will continue to work on Streamate and talk smack about them on their first page top row until they stop being shitheads or until they ban me. I've always done this, though. XD

PrettyInPunk
08-01-2015, 07:20 AM
Okay I gotta go back to this. Here is what Im thinking
A. Streamate tapes everything; Therefore, they currently hold tapes of child porn. That is illegal! Could they be liable for that?
B. There customer support did not inform those who need to know of pedophilia being broadcast in someones room. Is Streamate liable for their actions or are they a third party and thus liable for not taking action? We dont know the chain of command here!
C. Is Streamate obligated to keep the records of their clientele private? I would think Yes. That means they would require a court order to release the names of those customers who were involved in the viewing of these things. They cannot just hand them over, even if they wanted to!


You have some good points, I'll admit. And while I'm not so worried about SM handing over the names of the people watching the shows (because, honestly, we all know some of these guys are pervs) I would like to hope that the good people over there took it upon themselves to contact authorities about the second woman who we are currently unsure whether or not is being investigated because none of us know her screen name let alone her actual legal name. When I say we should stay on SM's ass about putting these 'sickos' behind bars I'm mostly referring to her. I'm almost positive that once an investigation on her occurs that a court order for the customers names will be made. Two birds with one stone?

The children are my biggest concern. We know one is safe and away from any more harm, but we have no idea about this second one. I just want some sort of confirmation from SM saying 'we have done all we can by letting the proper authorities know' and I'll be good and dandy.

Also, Kaylee has signed up to SW! If she pops up (Abigail Swan) make sure to say 'Hi'!

DeepThoughts
08-01-2015, 07:26 AM
Like I said, I can't tell the entire story because I don't know it. What I DO know is that Streamate hasn't handed over much, if any information regarding the case I have been working with. They didn't even ban the girl until Finley and I publicly shamed them on Twitter. We had emailed and called a bunch of people previously and nothing had been done. The guy I talked to on the phone was completely apathetic about the entire thing and didn't even care to know her name. It just seems that all they care about at that point is avoiding bad press. 30+ retweets of Streamate overlooking kiddie porn finally got their attention. I'm definitely going to talk shit about that. They didn't handle a dire situation in a proper or timely matter.

This woman has been working on SM for two years. They record everything. This had to have been known by someone. Girls get suspended for just saying, "Twitter" and this woman goes unnoticed for years even though she BLATANTLY talks about abusing her child in free chat. I heard her do so on three separate occasions and I was only aware of her for three days. It seemed to be her "thing." Someone had to have seen it at least once. This woman already had a record of child abuse when I called CPS.

On a side note: I will continue to work on Streamate and talk smack about them on their first page top row until they stop being shitheads or until they ban me. I've always done this, though. XD

Ruby I honestly believe what your saying here what doesnt sit right with me (and please dont take it personally because its not directed towards you or what you have done) is Streamate not caring! How could they not care??? I just cannot imagine that someone blew this off like it was no big deal. Im not talking streamate support cause from what I hear they are just a bunch of flying monkeys but I mean the people up in head office. I feel like if they found this out they would close it down and report it ASAP! They have 0 to gain by not doing just that and everything to lose.

So I hear what your saying but its not sitting right with me. There is no way Liz or Vanessa or other people, whos names I wont say here, read an email that some women is fucking her child for money on the site and they just sent it to the Trash! How could that possibly be true???!?!!? Its madness! Its financial suicide! And you said yourself they block people for saying Twitter so this would be a no brainer!

I need to ask did you only contact Streamate support or did you actually email Liz, Vanessa and/or others in the head office?

RubyRapture
08-01-2015, 07:30 AM
Vanessa is one of the people we emailed. - no response. It only got handled when we blasted them on Twitter.

Edit: Also, their definition of "final action" about the situation was a ban. That's it. You're welcome to read through everything on my Twitter. It's still all there and time stamped. You can believe whatever you want about the situation. That girl is safe and and that's the important part. The fucked up thing this is that I had to be the one to hunt her down and take action, not Streamate.

DeepThoughts
08-01-2015, 07:37 AM
Fuck.....


....I just dont get it. Why?? Am I to believe they are just Evil? I cant wrap my mind around this.

RubyRapture
08-01-2015, 07:41 AM
Yeah. Finley and I emailed and called everyone on Streamate that we could and nothing happened until they got bad press about it. We really tried to get them to handle it and they didn't. That's why I'm so angry and disappointed. That's why I no longer have any trust about stuff like this.

But like I said, that child is safe and that's the important part. I had the help of a bunch of other camgirls in this to bring this woman down. There are still a lot of good people in this world.

DeepThoughts
08-01-2015, 07:48 AM
Yes thank you for helping this child. You right that that is the most important part regardless of how it came about and you have a lot to be proud of for standing up and taking action when you did. Some people might have been afraid or ignorant of what to do. So Im glad it was you that found out.

Also Im glad this all came out because good, bad or ugly we all need to know about these things.

AlyssaJane
08-01-2015, 08:09 AM
Like a team of sex worker super hero's. Fighting crime, protecting kids. The Sex-vengers. I would watch that movie.

RubyRapture
08-01-2015, 08:15 AM
Lol, I'll get to work on our costumes. XD

The funny thing is, I don't even like children...like at all. I never want them. I don't want to be around them. I don't even really know how to interact with them. That doesn't mean I wish abuse on anyone, though. I would hope anyone who sees something like that would do the right thing and report it. I know I wouldn't be able to sleep at night had I not.

AlyssaJane
08-01-2015, 08:22 AM
Lol, I'll get to work on our costumes. XD

The funny thing is, I don't even like children...like at all. I never want them. I don't want to be around them. I don't even really know how to interact with them. That doesn't mean I wish abuse on anyone, though. I would hope anyone who sees something like that would do the right thing and report it. I know I wouldn't be able to sleep at night had I not.

Oh the hotness of the costumes! Dibs on the sexy wonder woman costume with the lasso of truth.

I feel the same about kids. I can't have them, which sometimes hurts and sometimes is a relief. I don't think they get interesting until middle school age, when they start really questioning their environment and developing who they are going to be. I've had conversations with 13 year olds that blow me away with their intellect and ability to observe their surroundings.

Yes, I'm glad the kid is safe. I remember about a dozen years ago stumbling on kiddie porn online. It made me so sick to my stomach. Still does. I reported the site, no idea if anything was done. I say we castrate all the pedophiles.

Cutie101
08-01-2015, 09:49 AM
I just can't believe what I've read in the last 2 pages.
First of all, Ruby, congratulations! And I pray for you to get your health back!
Second, Holy Shit! 2 years and nobody saw anything???
And they fucking banned my account for 3 days because an existing member wanted to make me a surprise and registered with my cammodels to give me higher percentage, but he didn't know is illegal.So I got banned.
And this scum whore did raped her child 2 years and nobody saw anything???
FUUUUUCKCKCKCKCKCKKKK!!!!
What kind of mother is that? And the members.. what kind of man is paying to see a child being abused!!What kind of MENTAL situation you are in if you get hard seeing someone being raped, seeing a child body...what the heck is in your fucking mind that makes you hard?? WHAAAT???
WHAT kind of world is this ??
I cried a little after I have read this. I cried because of frustration.
I cried because I was volutneer a little period of time, in a center and I talked to lots of abused children. Mostly little girls. .I couldn't resist there more than 5 months. U need strong stomach and strong heart to be able to hear the stories.I try to get back some day, maybe when I will be strong enough to really help theese people and not just run and cry like an idiot.Or maybe in the future I will try to open a center like this.
I am shocked, sick, frustrated, sad, angry and all the bad feelings that a human can have, they are all inside myself now.
And death punishment is so little for theese monsters. Because they destroy a life and they simply die in patience with a needle in their arm.
I can't talk more now. I am too angry.

Cutie101
08-01-2015, 09:55 AM
And someone acused me for being too moral when I was clearly against incest roleplay on cam.
I am so fucking sick right now...so fucking sick...

RubyRapture
08-01-2015, 11:04 AM
Thank you for the well wishing! Its been a stressful couple of weeks even without this whole child abuse thing going on. The day before I found out about all of that, my grandma was hospitalized and nearly died. I spent nearly the whole week there between her medical problems and my own. I just had surgery on Tuesday and it's been a rough recovery so far. I just want a break! >_<

Just remember there are still a lot of good people in this world even when it seems like you're surrounded by evil. These ladies will be brought to justice one way or another.

Anyway, I hope all you ladies have a good week on cam.

<3 Ruby

EllieGold
08-01-2015, 11:15 AM
I just realized that RubyRapture is on the threads! You are one of my fav top SM girls. I hope you are recovering well after your surgery. Get well wishes sent girl. :D

RubyRapture
08-01-2015, 11:22 AM
I just realized that RubyRapture is on the threads! You are one of my fav top SM girls. I hope you are recovering well after your surgery. Get well wishes sent girl. :D

I was here when I just started. I have Stripperweb to thank for a lot of my success. I wouldn't have known where to start or what I was doing without you girls. I took a bit of a hiatus from the forums when I was going through some shit. Maybe I'll start making more appearances again. I do miss the community in general. <3 you guys!

And thank you for the recovery wishes, Ellie! <3

E.S. Camgirl, Ph.D.
08-01-2015, 01:28 PM
When RR and FB first started tweeting about Woman1 abusing her daughter, I went online and I did see her discussing some nasty abusive shit in free chat, so I can and will confirm that, and mad props to RR and FB for getting on that shit and pushing so hard with authorities.

The second case, however, I'm not really buying just yet. It was posted by someone on Twitter who happened to have a customer's gross abusive request Word For Motherfucking Word, as well as Streamate's glowing congratulatory response, Word For Motherfucking Word, but yet she doesn't know the name of the model supposedly doing this shit?? Even though she saw it?? Did her note-taking pen run out of ink in just that moment? Honestly, I think the second case is someone trying get the acclaim that RR and FB got when they actually did something. We know for a fact Streamate doesn't respond with "Holy fucking shit" to emails expressing concern over cp, so I don't believe Incident #2 at all, to be honest. I truly believe it is 100% fabricated.

Because I can only trust one of these stories to be true, I'm assuming this is a fairly isolated incident. I'm not pleased with SM's response to RR, but I also believe DeepThoughts has some good points about the nature of investigations and that often times, yeah, representatives of the company have different concerns in mind than we may anticipate, so their response may be secretive or slow to us, from our perspective. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt until I know more.

Issabelle
08-01-2015, 04:28 PM
First off: I'm incredibly glad that child is now safe and my hat is off to all involved in that (from RR and FB to the FBI and everyone in between).

That said, I have to agree with E.S. I'm not seeing much credibility to the second case at this point and, unfortunately, people have come up with far more disturbing shit for attention. We can all agree that child abuse is a horrible crime and that tends to make people see red. One isolated incident is confirmed, so likely-false reports start cropping up and make it seem like it's a reoccurring problem, and then all of a sudden that snowballs into concerns that people are doing something this heinous right and left.

I think we can also all agree that if this has been going on for two solid years, that someone within SM support knew about it. Even just a disgusted customer would have said something. That said, we all know how SM support can be--the higher ups would have stopped it, but lord knows what some lower ranking support employee (who, talking to Katy Boleyn, have very high turn over) would have done. If someone knew and ignored it, though, SM needs to review and fire them, as well as turn them over for legal consequences. I say the higher ups likely didn't know until very recently because SM could be shut down for this sort of shit and there's no way they'd risk their entire company over something like that, ethical concerns aside. That said, it's also possible that the model in question only started abusing her child recently and then it's entirely possible that no one had caught it yet.

In terms of response time to SM, I'm stunned they didn't immediately suspend the model account in question pending an investigation. I understand not immediately taking a stance against the model until they knew all the facts--it's a business and firing/banning a model over a serious accusation that may be false could get them into serious legal trouble too. Companies, at their heart, are neither moral or immoral; they're amoral, meaning that they exist for the sole purpose of making money. They abide by laws, however, and this industry has got some very clear rules about child pornography.

Coming to their defense at least slightly, working in the health care industry for several years introduced me to how this can take time, unfortunately. When an accusation of neglect/abuse was made in my industry, the employee in question was immediately put on leave after having the suspicion explained to them. At that time, the higher ups would take several days to gather facts, review the case internally, and then come to a conclusion regarding their findings. At that point, termination of the employee and reports to the appropriate authorities would be made, as needed. That can take up to a week. My guess is that SM was doing everything internally and quietly, hence why it looked like there was no action. I do fault them for not immediately suspending the model (I mean, really, besides bad karma it's just bad optics) and it would have been a good idea to tell the reporting parties that they were investigating before turning over facts to the appropriate authorities (although this isn't required and, reasonably, can be argued against), but I really don't think they would completely ignore allegations of severely illegal activity that could well get the site shut down and spur major lawsuits. Basically, let's not hang them all out to dry just yet.

And that's my very long, complicated $.02.

KatM
08-01-2015, 04:29 PM
And someone acused me for being too moral when I was clearly against incest roleplay on cam.
I am so fucking sick right now...so fucking sick...

I feel for u sweetie, believe it or not i was excluded from a group here on SW cause of my views against incest roleplay topic we discussed a while back. Earlier on i posted a message like urs after i read all these crazy stuff about what happened on SM but i took it down later.

You know why? Because i realized, no matter how good ur intentions are to help or give good advice or tell people what is good or wrong to do because u maybe know some things from ur life experience, there will always be someone who is insecure about themselves and take ur advice/ help as offending, they become defensive, they offended cause u dare to educate them/ people in here. They accuse u of things they are themselves capable of doing or feeling, because they feel like they feel, they think u feel or do the same. This is all on them not on u/ me or others who give good advice & try to help people, it's them who are not ok with themselves & get hurt for no reason actually. This is called ignorance. Sometimes they go so far to betray u while pretending they ur friends, this is the ugliest part of human nature in my opinion, betrayal.

There are also people who appreciate the input & help somebody gives, they aknowledge the information, eventually research some more & think how the info can help them.
Yeah, then things like these happen & people are shocked asking themselves "How did we get here, why this kind of crap is happening?" It's happening because some of us encouraged this to happen by roleplaying these stuff, we encouraged members to think it is ok to want and be given that kind of shows, we encouraged women to think it's okay to do what they did on camera because they were asked by the members to do that stuff and so on and on.

I thank models who took action against these abominable practices on SM & i pray the kids are going to be okay, as much as possible after such a trauma, i hope they will not remember much off it later on & they will get the care they need and for that women, to stay behind the bars as long as possible for what they did.
Peace!

Rose_is_Kinky
08-01-2015, 06:45 PM
Thank you for the advice :) I have been doing a different look everyday and have been changing around my location (living room, different views of my bedroom etc...) the entire time but this week or 2 has still been really slow. I just started a twitter account and updated my profile too. I definitely think about starting on another site but not sure which one to choose. I originally started on MFC but after about 2 months in or so I wasn't making anything which is why I switched to streamate and have been making money consistently for a while now. do you or any of you ladies know of another site I could start too?

RamonaRamone
08-01-2015, 06:47 PM
Yeah, then things like these happen & people are shocked asking themselves "How did we get here, why this kind of crap is happening?" It's happening because some of us encouraged this to happen by roleplaying these stuff, we encouraged members to think it is ok to want and be given that kind of shows, we encouraged women to think it's okay to do what they did on camera because they were asked by the members to do that stuff and so on and on.

I personally find this very offensive, but as a newer model and sex worker, I don't feel equipped with the right words or information to speak well about why. I remember reading far back in the threads and seeing Incantatious write a really great response (this may have been over a year ago, I read through a lot when I first joined SW, but I'm assuming this is what you referenced in your post about being excluded) regarding this sort of thing and her experiences with incest fantasies and incest play. I remember identifying with what she said a lot, but beyond identification, I think it's really important that we not make generalizations about the links between fantasy and reality or blame camgirls that cater to certain fantasies in a safe way. I have no less respect for the girls who do taboo roleplay than I do for the ones who don't. It's personal choice and personal comfort level (at your own risk in terms of the rules of whatever site you're on). As someone in the youngest age bracket of the cam world, I get asked for this sort of stuff a LOT (Daddy/daughter, ageplay, etc) and I have seen a lot of different corners of that niche and truly believe there is a difference between "My 8 year old daughter is here watching with me, I want you to teach her" (BAN BAN BAN REPORT) and "will you pretend to be my young daughter and call me daddy" where the member also clearly understands that it is a roleplay.

More General Note: I am very new to camming and I only work on Streamate. I was reading through this whole saga this morning and I'm really fucking upset and sickened that something like this happened and I'm so glad that Ruby Rapture and Finley Blake took action. I can't even fathom seeing something like that and I can't believe SM did nothing. This is disgusting and I hope they are able to find the mother and take her to court. I really do not want to get into a fight within my first fifty SW posts, and I saw how the giant argument about this stuff played out in the threads awhile back. I just found your post hurtful. I'm sure someone else could word this better. I just think it's unreasonable to say that every person who has a fantasy about something like incest would assault a family member/child or even wants to. Of course that does happen, and it's more awful than anything, but it also happens with people who have only ever watched vanilla porn and whom no one would suspect. I know from personal experience within my own fantasies that something can be arousing in a more abstract way, like not necessarily because of the act itself (again, like incest) but because of the social stigma around it and it's taboo nature. I hope that makes sense.

JessRyan
08-01-2015, 07:00 PM
Just wow,I am shocked.I can`t believe this was happening on SM,the website who will suspend you for getting your period on cam,mentioning twitter,sending videos or rubbing your panties(just a few cases I read before).Maybe it will be an eye opening for them and start taking actions.Makes me wonder if they`ve seen but let it be for the money,same way they allow some models perform age play and incest roleplays.
Hats off for finding and reporting this to authorities.

I'm out of town and just now read this....I want to HURT people like this. Badly, slowly and very painfully. Just sayin" AND the people that protect them and don't give a shit. There is a lot of desert in Vegas.... No apologies. Just a couple weeks ago I mentioned here on SW getting occasional sicko in my guest chat asking me to bring in my son or daughter..I BAN and report immediately. I also NEVER mention anything personal other than the fact that I am a MILF. That's sacred ground to me. So, that makes me wonder how long this could have been going on?

DeepThoughts
08-01-2015, 07:30 PM
Is it possible that this woman wasn't actually abusing her child and that is why SM did nothing???

RubyRapture
08-01-2015, 07:44 PM
DeepThoughts, I heard her little girl on cam in real time. She was in the same room as her, =/ CPS also told me she already had a record. I know you don't want to believe something like this could happen, but I'm telling you, it's 100% true.

RubyRapture
08-01-2015, 07:49 PM
When RR and FB first started tweeting about Woman1 abusing her daughter, I went online and I did see her discussing some nasty abusive shit in free chat, so I can and will confirm that, and mad props to RR and FB for getting on that shit and pushing so hard with authorities.

The second case, however, I'm not really buying just yet. It was posted by someone on Twitter who happened to have a customer's gross abusive request Word For Motherfucking Word, as well as Streamate's glowing congratulatory response, Word For Motherfucking Word, but yet she doesn't know the name of the model supposedly doing this shit?? Even though she saw it?? Did her note-taking pen run out of ink in just that moment? Honestly, I think the second case is someone trying get the acclaim that RR and FB got when they actually did something. We know for a fact Streamate doesn't respond with "Holy fucking shit" to emails expressing concern over cp, so I don't believe Incident #2 at all, to be honest. I truly believe it is 100% fabricated.

Because I can only trust one of these stories to be true, I'm assuming this is a fairly isolated incident. I'm not pleased with SM's response to RR, but I also believe DeepThoughts has some good points about the nature of investigations and that often times, yeah, representatives of the company have different concerns in mind than we may anticipate, so their response may be secretive or slow to us, from our perspective. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt until I know more.

When I posted that the model "couldn't remember" the other camgirl's name, I was implying that that incident could have been made up. I actually got angry that she couldn't/wouldn't tell me the other model's name, especially since she supposedly had screenshots of it too. I just dropped it with her because I was getting nowhere, but I also seriously doubt the validity of the second case. I don't understand why someone would make that big of a deal about something and have absolutely nothing to back it up with. I was trying to be a good person and help, but she had nothing to give me, even though she had supposedly witnessed everything and had reported it. >_>

KatM
08-01-2015, 08:08 PM
I personally find this very offensive......... "will you pretend to be my young daughter and call me daddy" where the member also clearly understands that it is a roleplay.

Roleplay is forbidden as well on SM, is no difference between an incest act & a fantasy, they both the same concerning incest, see this paragraph from Code of conduct that u can find on site"

4. Live Chat Code of Conduct
Performer agrees that s/he will not violate any law concerning obscenity. Performer shall not portray depictions of sex involving any person under the age of eighteen (18 ) years of age, rape, incest, bestiality, fisting, necrophilia, any form of minor activity, urination and/or defecation. Animals should not appear on camera at any time.

Please read it like this: "Depictions of ... incest" -> Fantasy, roleplay -> Totally forbidden.

Here is the direct link to Code of conduct in case u dont know where to find it

http://streamatehelp.com/performer-code-of-conduct/?access=1

RamonaRamone
08-01-2015, 08:19 PM
Roleplay is forbidden as well on SM, is no difference between an incest act & a fantasy, they both the same concerning incest, see this paragraph from Code of conduct that u can find on site"

4. Live Chat Code of Conduct
Performer agrees that s/he will not violate any law concerning obscenity. Performer shall not portray depictions of sex involving any person under the age of eighteen (18 ) years of age, rape, incest, bestiality, fisting, necrophilia, any form of minor activity, urination and/or defecation. Animals should not appear on camera at any time.

Please read it like this: "Depictions of ... incest" -> Fantasy, roleplay -> Totally forbidden.

I am fully aware of this (trust me, I read those terms and conditions/code of conduct many times over), and tried to make that clear when I said "it is personal choice and personal comfort level (at your own risk in terms of the rules of whatever site you're on)". What I was trying to say was not about site rules but about model choices and limits. Feel how you'd like about models stepping outside of site rules - I don't love it either. My point was more about the situation in which a model would step outside those rules (and we all know that happens). Or for example, on another site such as CMD where roleplay (including taboo) IS allowed, as long as it is clearly fantasy. I assumed from your post that when you said models who do incest roleplay "encouraged this to happen" that you were not only referring to SM models.

Cutie101
08-01-2015, 08:21 PM
"will you pretend to be my young daughter and call me daddy" where the member also clearly understands that it is a roleplay.

You don't have to feel yourself offended. We are not pointing here to anyone , others pointed out to us when we said we don't agree.
Me , personally, I came with my own oppinion and some "open minded" woman told me I am too moral when I said NO to incest roleplay.
Why? Is pretty simple. When a man has EVEN the thoughts/ fantasies about fucking a little girl, this shows something is not ok in his mind.
How can you get hard and cum fantasisyng about fucking a child? Even as fantasy, yes.
It's disturbing as the real thing.
He can damn fantasise about fucking you in nurse costume and is all okay. He can fantasise fucking you as a student and he is the teacher. And is again okay.
But when his fantasy is about little kids, then soemthing is not okay. Even is just virtual and just a game. Still not okay.

Just think about your own person. Would you get wet thinkign that you are actually a little girl who is getting fucked by a pedo? Could you still do this on cam as fantasy after this?
OR talking about incest, think for a second: could u think about yourself having sex with your father? Right. It's gross and unnatural.

I will never judge other camgirls choices, but I still try to show that there are other ways to make money, than this taboo area. This world is full of pedopfiles and incestors. We don't want to encourage them.
If WE, the sexworkers, show is not okay this, maybe we will give a heads up to everyone else.
As I said above, while I was volunteer in the abused children center, I've heard all kind of stories, from dads who were forcing their girls to watch porn togheter ,porn with children with the reason "Look , it's ok to do this with your dad!" (HOW GROSS) and other types of rape against little girls, then this made me think clear that this could not be only a fantasy and could be transformed in a real thing any day, because in his sick mind, he will look for any type of agreement that he is ok to practice this.
If a sex worker/ camgirl shows her agreement to fantisy about this, then he will think it's okay to do it for real. Because this is how sick minds work.

Sorry I wrote a bit crazy here, english is not my native language, but I hope you got my point.

Kisses!
And just open your eyes! You don't have to get mad. It's good to read pro's and con's in order to get a decision about your life and acts.

RamonaRamone
08-01-2015, 08:30 PM
You don't have to feel yourself offended. We are not pointing here to anyone , others pointed out to us when we said we don't agree.
Me , personally, I came with my own oppinion and some "open minded" woman told me I am too moral when I said NO to incest roleplay.
Why? Is pretty simple. When a man has EVEN the thoughts/ fantasies about fucking a little girl, this shows something is not ok in his mind.
How can you get hard and cum fantasisyng about fucking a child? Even as fantasy, yes.
It's disturbing as the real thing.
He can damn fantasise about fucking you in nurse costume and is all okay. He can fantasise fucking you as a student and he is the teacher. And is again okay.
But when his fantasy is about little kids, then soemthing is not okay. Even is just virtual and just a game. Still not okay.

Just think about your own person. Would you get wet thinkign that you are actually a little girl who is getting fucked by a pedo? Could you still do this on cam as fantasy after this?
OR talking about incest, think for a second: could u think about yourself having sex with your father? Right. It's gross and unnatural.

I will never judge other camgirls choices, but I still try to show that there are other ways to make money, than this taboo area. This world is full of pedopfiles and incestors. We don't want to encourage them.
If WE, the sexworkers, show is not okay this, maybe we will give a heads up to everyone else.
As I said above, while I was volunteer in the abused children center, I've heard all kind of stories, from dads who were forcing their girls to watch porn togheter ,porn with children with the reason "Look , it's ok to do this with your dad!" (HOW GROSS) and other types of rape against little girls, then this made me think clear that this could not be only a fantasy and could be transformed in a real thing any day, because in his sick mind, he will look for any type of agreement that he is ok to practice this.
If a sex worker/ camgirl shows her agreement to fantisy about this, then he will think it's okay to do it for real. Because this is how sick minds work.

Thank you for being diplomatic. I also do not judge other camgirls' choices and I always respect and honor peoples' limits, no matter what they are. I have a lot to say and in regards to "thinking of my own person" and my own fantasies in context, there are a million things I could go on about in response to that, as someone who started having taboo fantasies of various natures at a pretty young age (never having watched any porn at all or been exposed to anything that would have prompted them). However, I don't feel comfortable enough on SW yet to speak on this further in a personal way, so I'm going to drop it. Maybe I am the only one who feels this way.

KatM
08-01-2015, 08:30 PM
Ramone, We are on the SM thread, we talking about SM, i always talked about SM & said clearly "It is forbidden on SM". I cam on SM & care what is happening on the site i cam on cause that's one situation where SM & it's models are at risk of having the site shut down due to investigation on this recent unfortunate event.
Read better pls.

RamonaRamone
08-01-2015, 08:32 PM
Read better pls.

This is really rude.
And clearly this was not the place to voice my opinion and I should not have said anything. I apologize.

Cutie101
08-01-2015, 08:40 PM
Thank you for being diplomatic. I also do not judge other camgirls' choices and I always respect and honor peoples' limits, no matter what they are. I have a lot to say and in regards to "thinking of my own person" and my own fantasies in context, there are a million things I could go on about in response to that, as someone who started having taboo fantasies of various natures at a pretty young age (never having watched any porn at all or been exposed to anything that would have prompted them). However, I don't feel comfortable enough on SW yet to speak on this further in a personal way, so I'm going to drop it. Maybe I am the only one who feels this way.

You don't have to expose anything personal here, lol. We just talk about stuff we do on cam.
Our thoughts and fantasies are secret :P

seicento
08-01-2015, 09:07 PM
I personally find this very offensive, but as a newer model and sex worker, I don't feel equipped with the right words or information to speak well about why. I remember reading far back in the threads and seeing Incantatious write a really great response (this may have been over a year ago, I read through a lot when I first joined SW, but I'm assuming this is what you referenced in your post about being excluded) regarding this sort of thing and her experiences with incest fantasies and incest play. I remember identifying with what she said a lot, but beyond identification, I think it's really important that we not make generalizations about the links between fantasy and reality or blame camgirls that cater to certain fantasies in a safe way. I have no less respect for the girls who do taboo roleplay than I do for the ones who don't. It's personal choice and personal comfort level (at your own risk in terms of the rules of whatever site you're on). As someone in the youngest age bracket of the cam world, I get asked for this sort of stuff a LOT (Daddy/daughter, ageplay, etc) and I have seen a lot of different corners of that niche and truly believe there is a difference between "My 8 year old daughter is here watching with me, I want you to teach her" (BAN BAN BAN REPORT) and "will you pretend to be my young daughter and call me daddy" where the member also clearly understands that it is a roleplay.

I cant get away without telling you that there is no difference between the guy who will say his 8yo child is there and the one who wants you to pretend that you are his 8yo child .THEY ARE NOT RIGHT IN THE HEAD,both of them.Everyone having incest fantasies should see a psychiatrist.For real.They both have the same thing in their mind,what makes you even think that the guy who wants the roleplay will not do those things he is fantasizing about,because after privates like that he gets the impresion that IT IS OK to have such sick thoughts.The moment we accept performing that incest roleplay gives the sicko the confirmation that it is okay like that,is the aproval some of them are seeking.

I know you are young (because you said so)but ask yourself if in the future you will have a daughter and her father will have such fantasies ,will you be okay with that ?

Sorry for typing mistakes if any ,im also one of those who's mother language is not english,I am coming from a place where incest (even if roleplay)is not seen the same way some of you see it,maybe this is why it is so hard for me to understand how can someone pretend to be underage daughter,let her daddy use her ,look at the cam and say she loves it.Anyway,I hope you get my point even if it will be annoying.

KatM
08-01-2015, 09:19 PM
That guy playing daddy in a young girl's room on SM will go to an older woman room asking if she has kids to bring on cam and play with/ abuse them, exactly what happened on SM just now. Got the point? And if u have certain taboo fantasies, pls play them on indy sites who allow these roleplays, i have no problem with that but on SM is not allowed.

ETA: indy sites dont have the same rules & regulations as a cam site like SM, the video sessions takes place on Skype most times, is a private connection between u and the member watching you, u can do whatever u want in a skype session i think, dont just assume u can do the same on a cam site like SM because that's totally different situation, that's what i meant with "Read better" (get informed properly) & i said "Please" too ;)

Magical_Hoohah
08-01-2015, 10:16 PM
I don't support anyone doing incest roleplay on SM. Period. It's against the rules, and it could hurt the site and all the models on the site.

That said, I've wrestled with the idea of incest role play in the context of indy camming, and I feel conflicted about it because it seems like not all incest is created equal. Incest can be really REALLY horrible, no doubt about it. But incest could also refer to consenting, adult relatives (who are hopefully taking precautions to avoid pregnancy). To me, bestiality is never ok because an animal can never consent. Underage play is never ok because a minor can never consent. I'll dabble in reluctance, but I'm not ok with non-consent scenarios (aka rape), because there's no consent. Hell, even a dead body can't give consent, so I'd never do necrophilia play (although I've never heard of anyone requesting it). Incest, though, is one of the few taboos that can be fully consensual under the right circumstances. I still don't know how I feel about it for Skype camming personally, but if, and ONLY IF, we're talking about *consenting adults*, I'm not sure it's considerably "sicker" than a lot of other fetishes.

KatM
08-01-2015, 10:35 PM
Let me tell u a possible situation Magical, how u feel about a woman & her adult son or a father & his adult daughter having real sex? Or pretending they have sex together in a roleplay scenario? Let's say the man talks about how he has sex with his daughter or the woman about having sex with her son. This would be indeed consensual, right? Now picture urself in either situation, talking about being the daughter or the mom. Then u know how it feels.

SaraLaughs
08-01-2015, 10:51 PM
I have quite a bit of experience in this sector and I wouldn't mind giving my $0.02!

First of all, a lot of people who fantasize about incest aren't actually interested in their own family members, but rather the thrill of seduction or possible humiliation, or the secrecy and taboo. We have psychological adaptations that prevent us from becoming attracted to our family members, known as the Westermarck Effect. On the off chance someone is interested in a family member but knows that it's too risky or that their affections won't be returned, I think roleplaying the scenario can help 'get it out of their system'.

Secondly, while I understand why people are disgusted at the idea of family members being together in a sexual way, assuming it is indeed between consenting adults, it doesn't really fit the standard definition of 'morally wrong', which generally follows the pattern of 'doing something harmful to someone against their will'. Rape, kidnapping, theft, murder, and cons all falls under this umbrella. Incest roleplay, when consented to by all parties, falls quite far from that criteria. How an individual person feels about the matter doesn't really matter; I'm disgusted by corpophilia, and I couldn't be talked into doing it for a million dollars, but if two people want to do it and enjoy it, then there is no issue of ethics. Being grossed out by something =/= that thing being morally wrong.

DeepThoughts
08-02-2015, 04:15 AM
DeepThoughts, I heard her little girl on cam in real time. She was in the same room as her, =/ CPS also told me she already had a record. I know you don't want to believe something like this could happen, but I'm telling you, it's 100% true.

Okay I popped in last night after about 6 hours of drinking. I really cannot drink a lot but all night this was following around in my head and, yeah you nailed it, I don't want to believe something like this could happen! It's just denial on my end I'm honestly not trying to diminish the truth. I want to know the truth.

Coming back here and reading what Issabelle wrote really put things in perspective. She wrote what I was trying to say much more eloquently.

And just to be clear it's not that I dont believe someone could do this on cam to a child. It is disbelief that SM would do nothing. It just doesn't make sense and I felt that needed to be vocalized.

Holly_xoxo
08-02-2015, 08:15 AM
I remember a couple of years ago, when there was a thread about a site that promoted child abuse and had a pop up of SM advertised on it. You know, the kind that shows one of us in free chat, for someone to click on and get transferred to our site.
There was pictures on that website of a little boy and his mom (both in bathing suits, standing next to a pool) typical vacation style pic and the caption was "what would you do to him?"
There was also a post (that site had forums, not just vids) and a mom was saying she was going to a mall the next day (named the town and mall) said she'd be with her 2 little girls, described what they looked like and what they'd be wearing. She invited anyone from the site to go there and watch them. Said they couldn't approach or take pics but they could watch.

The site had regular porn videos but also a fairly large section with disgusting crap about kids. Alot of us complained to SM, demanding to get our advertisements off of it. We called police, centre for missing and exploited children, some called the FBI.

After what I read on Twitter about the case a few days ago, I went and checked out that site and didn't see our pop up anymore but the site is still up.

I'm surprised that with all the recording SM does of our shows, that it wasn't caught but I'm not surprised that pedo's are on there. This woman could have been advertising like the one going to the mall and just linked her chat room to it.

SimoneGray
08-02-2015, 08:25 AM
It just makes me ill that they would allow that when models have gotten suspended for WAY less.

hyori
08-02-2015, 09:30 AM
It is absolutely normal for girls to get married very young in certain cultures because it is socially accepted and nothing is considered wrong about the act. That's how I justify some underage role play. It may seem disgusting at first, but you have to see that much of what we deem disgusting is socially constructed rather than the actual act being truthfully disgusting. There is raceplay using derogatory names to enhance physical pleasure as a dominant but I refuse to do Holocaust reenactments or let myself be the submissive of a white supremacist. I always let them know I am doing this strictly as a roleplay scenario and not because I'm some kind of racist.

Now that I have come to peace with that Nazi MFC show, I've really opened up about what I will and will not do.

beauvoir
08-02-2015, 09:48 AM
SO sick of boys coming into my room and telling me they can't see me. Some can and some can't. Is it my end or theirs? I use the encoder x

beauvoir
08-02-2015, 09:49 AM
Also, I have to ADD photos to delete the ones I have? That makes zero sense.

audritwo
08-02-2015, 09:50 AM
Yeah just add a bunch of shit pics. That's what I did.

MarilynMonhoe
08-02-2015, 02:26 PM
Hi there, trying to log in/sign up to the streamatemodels page and I keep getting the next page open just saying 'unapproved user type' has anyone else had this problem? Thank you :)

webcamcutie
08-02-2015, 02:51 PM
SO sick of boys coming into my room and telling me they can't see me. Some can and some can't. Is it my end or theirs? I use the encoder x

It's been going on for over a week now, tech support denies their being any issues but when I check myself via my own cell phone the same thing is happening. They told me to get clients to send in screenshots so they could have 'evidence' to support what is happening.. yeah okay cause the guys are going to do that, no they're going to go to a room that does work and jerk off like they came there for. Highly annoyed and frustrated, works some days, other days it doesn't, seemed to be good yesterday and for an hour today now its back to fucking up.. they really need to fix their shit for real. :'(

AvaLove
08-02-2015, 10:07 PM
I am sorry if this has been ask but how long does it takes for the Earnings Report to update on Streamate?

A gentlemen purchased a 30 min block but only used about 15 minutes of the block. When it ended due to lagging issues. I looked at the earnings and I saw the money. The same man purchased a 17 min block. Streamate sent a message saying the block time has ended and the prices are back to normal. The show lasted at least 10 minutes after the block session but I do not see the post block session in my earnings.

KatM
08-02-2015, 10:11 PM
If he got disconnected from the 30 min block he was able to return for the remaining time, he can do this within 2 hrs so he did not buy another block, he resumed the 1st block therefore u dont get more money.

AvaLove
08-02-2015, 10:15 PM
If he got disconnected from the 30 min block he was able to return for the remaining time, he can do this within 2 hrs so he did not buy another block, he resumed the 1st block therefore u dont get more money.

Thanks for answering the question :) I was not expecting a quick response.

MyRealNameIsWeird
08-03-2015, 01:18 AM
It is absolutely normal for girls to get married very young in certain cultures because it is socially accepted and nothing is considered wrong about the act. That's how I justify some underage role play. It may seem disgusting at first, but you have to see that much of what we deem disgusting is socially constructed rather than the actual act being truthfully disgusting. There is raceplay using derogatory names to enhance physical pleasure as a dominant but I refuse to do Holocaust reenactments or let myself be the submissive of a white supremacist. I always let them know I am doing this strictly as a roleplay scenario and not because I'm some kind of racist.

Now that I have come to peace with that Nazi MFC show, I've really opened up about what I will and will not do.

I actually find the age of maturity a bit arbitrary. I started masturbating well under the age of thirteen and lost my virginity before I was eighteen. Neither involved abuse or coercion and I regret neither. How can someone be one person at age seventeen and a new one the next day on their birthday? And likewise for ages below. If the line allows it, why can't I discuss my intimate habits at the age of fifteen, provided it's absolutely clear I am an individual and not all fifteen year olds are like me? That said, I avoid immature and bimbo roleplays at any age, because the whole "I'm so innocent I don't know what I'm doing" vibe seriously disturbs me. Doesn't matter whether the character is thirteen, eighteen or twenty five, if they are naïve and being led into something unknowingly, blackmailed and don't know it or forced past their comfort zone, then I can't do it. Innocence isn't sexy.