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JoyKitten
10-03-2015, 05:56 PM
Please forgive me if this has already been covered in this thread - I ran a search but didn't find the specific answer...

I'm thinking about signing up for TV gold shows but haven't so far because I try to be under the radar as much as possible with camming. For a TV gold show, where is the show actually then broadcasted? Does SM record and then sell to PPV porn channels or tube sites, or do they have their own PPV/premium cable channel or what?

If you're flying under the radar, then you shouldn't even be on Streamate (or any other site) unless you're 'members only', which means the only way you'll be seen is if they've put their credit card down, signed-up as a member on Streamate. If you really don't want to be seen by anyone in your 'real' life, then that's the way to be on cam. Ask support to help make yourself a hidden model (they don't advertise that it's an option).

The downside is that you won't be seen on the public home page (which is what you want, if you don't want your boss or neighbors to find you), and SM or your recruiter will tell you you're shooting yourself in the foot (but you're not, trust me, I'm a 'members only' hidden model, and I'm regularly in the top 2 lines). You won't be offered the TV broadcasts because they ARE public (geo blocking won't work) and, as I understand it, will be used as promo either by the producer or Streamate, or both =p

JoyKitten
10-03-2015, 06:00 PM
@Joykitten I use geoblock and went to settings and removed free chat as an option. Does that mean I'm members only?
I've also started promoting myself on Twitter, because I need to. but I'm super cautious, I don't show my face in my profile, I only log on from 1 computer and I use a VPN app. Ugh not looking forward to the day the people at work see i'm a camgirl. awkwarddd

Hmmm..... not sure what you mean by 'removed free chat as an option'? That's not part of Geoblocking, is it? I'm not seeing it on my control panel =p

Unless you've specifically ASKED to be 'hidden for members only', then I doubt you are.
I believe, 5 years ago when I joined SM from another camming site, I specifically asked to be hidden or I wasn't going to be able to switch sites, so SM made me hidden. Unless they've changed their sign-up paperwork, I don't think it's an option they list for you to choose.

pixiepower329
10-03-2015, 06:09 PM
No, its just an option in party chat. It keeps them from chatting, but doesn't stop them from staring at you by simply logging out.

JoyKitten
10-03-2015, 06:11 PM
No, its just an option in party chat. It keeps them from chatting, but doesn't stop them from staring at you by simply logging out.

I've updated my prior reply.
Unless you signed-up as a hidden model, I suspect you're not one.
You'll have to contact Model Support to ask if you are, and if you're not, how to become one.

Cutie101
10-03-2015, 06:13 PM
@Joykitten I use geoblock and went to settings and removed free chat as an option. Does that mean I'm members only?
I've also started promoting myself on Twitter, because I need to. but I'm super cautious, I don't show my face in my profile, I only log on from 1 computer and I use a VPN app. Ugh not looking forward to the day the people at work see i'm a camgirl. awkwarddd

No you are not in members.
Remove free chat means you blocked the members without a credit card access to your room to talk to you. Basically, guests.
You didn't remove your freechat room :) Your freechat room is the one you appear in and is named "Guest chat".
Cheers!

christylive
10-03-2015, 09:40 PM
It would be so nice if mobile users could actually SEE and HEAR us... That's the bulk of spending customers that can no longer view us or spend. My BIGGEST spender travels a lot and always used his cell phone to go exclusive but after 30 minutes of trying he gave up. My last private it took him around 45 minutes before he could finally connect to private. No wonder $ is non existent... I've also been telling them about the other browsers that the other posters before me have mentioned... Why is this a problem all the sudden? Am I missing something ??

ShyCamgirlBB
10-03-2015, 09:49 PM
Thanks guys, I wasn't sure before what that option in settings meant.
I'm marketing on Twitter so If guys want to look at me before signing up, I guess that wouldn't be too bad. I'm not sure if I want to sign up for members only yet.

EllieGold
10-03-2015, 11:09 PM
I can't get anywhere with my placement tonight. I've done a speedtest. I'm hardwired, have great speeds and a good Core i 7 computer.

Streamate has me at 200 bitrate, 15 fps and 50 ms. Am I missing something?

http://www.speedtest.net/result/4716608009.png

Halo88
10-03-2015, 11:26 PM
yes, that really threw me for a loop that they even brought that forbidden subject up. (every little part of anything is always mis-understood. It's human nature when a hundred different models read it, it's read a hundred different ways) Such lame antiqued way to run things. (and I do love SM and a lot they offer) but this is 2015 everyone has twitter and other camsites are so okay with it. It's just so strange not to be allowed to mention it. And when THEY'RE on Twitter...oooookay. They need to take a deep breath and open those doors to a whole new world.

The reason is because SM wants girls to use the cammodels link on social networking to drive traffic to the site. That's why they forbid girls from directly promoting their social network IDs on the site. Because doing so can drive traffic away from the site. The rules are for a good reason.

Many girls work multiple platforms and promote all on one twitter account. If all girls on sm promoted their twitter to members, then traffic would not be contained as easily. It is better off that way. Everyone wants traffic, of course.

There's really no reason to have SM guys follow you if they are already members. Those guys already know where you are. It's more beneficial to get other guys to sign up through your promoted cammodel link on twitter, and make money from them. And yes, other sites are okay with girls luring traffic to twitter accounts. But those sites don't invest the kind of money in traffic that SM does. The site does a good job containing traffic, so girls working SM have no reason to lure existing members to follow her on twitter.

Finley_Blake
10-04-2015, 03:26 AM
The reason is because SM wants girls to use the cammodels link on social networking to drive traffic to the site. That's why they forbid girls from directly promoting their social network IDs on the site. Because doing so can drive traffic away from the site. The rules are for a good reason.

Many girls work multiple platforms and promote all on one twitter account. If all girls on sm promoted their twitter to members, then traffic would not be contained as easily. It is better off that way. Everyone wants traffic, of course.

There's really no reason to have SM guys follow you if they are already members. Those guys already know where you are. It's more beneficial to get other guys to sign up through your promoted cammodel link on twitter, and make money from them. And yes, other sites are okay with girls luring traffic to twitter accounts. But those sites don't invest the kind of money in traffic that SM does. The site does a good job containing traffic, so girls working SM have no reason to lure existing members to follow her on twitter.

I'm honestly not sure that SM is investing ANY money into traffic lately. From what I heard they actually stopped buying traffic. I really don't think being able to promote twitter would make all the traffic leave. If it would then how are some MFC models making over $30k a month!? If dudes like you, they like you and will come back. I think if a guy knows about SM he probably know about other cam sites already too, and maybe even spends $ there

Staples
10-04-2015, 03:30 AM
I can't get anywhere with my placement tonight. I've done a speedtest. I'm hardwired, have great speeds and a good Core i 7 computer.

Streamate has me at 200 bitrate, 15 fps and 50 ms. Am I missing something?

http://www.speedtest.net/result/4716608009.png

I was having major issues to and I have awesome internet and an i7 just like you. My fps and bitrate were fine but my round trip time was in the 900s.

pixiepower329
10-04-2015, 05:35 AM
I'm honestly not sure that SM is investing ANY money into traffic lately. From what I heard they actually stopped buying traffic. I really don't think being able to promote twitter would make all the traffic leave. If it would then how are some MFC models making over $30k a month!? If dudes like you, they like you and will come back. I think if a guy knows about SM he probably know about other cam sites already too, and maybe even spends $ there

Most ladies who are making 30K a month on MFC aren't advertising or using any other cam site. But you best believe if a guy randomly finds my Twitter from SM.. I'm gonna gently guide them towards higher paying venues.

JessRyan
10-04-2015, 09:37 AM
I'm honestly not sure that SM is investing ANY money into traffic lately. From what I heard they actually stopped buying traffic. I really don't think being able to promote twitter would make all the traffic leave. If it would then how are some MFC models making over $30k a month!? If dudes like you, they like you and will come back. I think if a guy knows about SM he probably know about other cam sites already too, and maybe even spends $ there

Exactly. Something happened after "Hell Week" I don't know what, but traffic did go down. Noticeably so. After that week it changed. And no, twitter doesn't make or break traffic. I just think SM needs to throw in the flag and just let go of that bone. Guys go where guys go, if they are a regular and they like you, they will find you and come back. MFC has major traffic jams in rooms. You don't see those numbers in our rooms. Even top models during a gold show countdown. They do not have those numbers. And yes, I know a lot are freeloaders, but still we have our freeloaders, just one to 5 compared to 50 to 600. The numbers are there. The higher the number, the greater the chance. Simple math. And I've watched many a model on MFC because I'm going there next month. Besides complaining, and I hate complaining, I'm moving along with more eggs in my basket. I rolled my eyes about the survey. Reports? I don't need a report to tell me ,from what I see and do every week on SM. I can straight up tell you. And believe me, I did. ;-) What's really sad, is that there's so much potential that's not being explored.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
10-04-2015, 09:38 AM
In the survey I told them I'd like to see mobile vs. computer users. I feel that most of the viewers are mobile and can't view us properly, hence the lack of traffic/disconnects lately. It would at least be nice for support to be able to view so they can see the issues are with the mobile users. I really hope they put some work into that!

I agree totally. But SM knows they have a mobile device issue. They have the statistics on how people visit the site and for how long. They know what sites bring them the most traffic etc. I too would like to see the the ratio of mobile viewers vs desktop just out of curiosity. But I already have a pretty good idea that its mostly mobile traffic. I can see from all my own website statistics that mobile/tablet users are the most frequent. Maybe that SM Broadcaster will fix this issue,hoping

anna111
10-04-2015, 09:45 AM
my gold show seen ALL MEN IN FREE CHAT! so as video show later!!!!!!!!!!!!!and when i did gold show men wrote me-start show right now! men wrote me- ,,i send report on you! so as you dond do show!,,what going in site?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! zero traffic and this glitches!

anna111
10-04-2015, 10:29 AM
now i did gold show again. and after show MEN IN FREE CHAT WROTE ME- I SEE YOUR PUSSY

JessRyan
10-04-2015, 10:34 AM
well i don't know what's going on there...ooops. I'd suggest not doing another. Was the countdown going? Did you see the clock? Was it a 0 buy in show where you didn't click the nude show/box?

anna111
10-04-2015, 10:37 AM
of course was clock. and was countdown.i had all goal tips.i did price for show. not for 0 gold enter. i know how right to do gold show. one girl wrote here some days ago about same glitch

JessRyan
10-04-2015, 11:08 AM
I haven't done a gold show in a few weeks. Wow, well that's crazy. Yikes! I would let support know asap and not offer any more until you know the coast is clear.

SoloDesire
10-04-2015, 11:17 AM
I agree totally. But SM knows they have a mobile device issue. They have the statistics on how people visit the site and for how long. They know what sites bring them the most traffic etc. I too would like to see the the ratio of mobile viewers vs desktop just out of curiosity. But I already have a pretty good idea that its mostly mobile traffic. I can see from all my own website statistics that mobile/tablet users are the most frequent. Maybe that SM Broadcaster will fix this issue,hoping

Yeah, you're right...they know how users are using the site, it would just be useful to send along with reports showing the users who are mobile are having the issues. I like how on Cams you see the icon beside the customers who are using mobile to view the site...that way if you send a report with a screenshot it would help deduce the possible issue. Also, every time someone tells me they can't see me I have to ask "are you mobile?" And try to help them solve the problem. Unfortunately I don't get paid to do support's job.

anna111
10-04-2015, 11:59 AM
I haven't done a gold show in a few weeks. Wow, well that's crazy. Yikes! I would let support know asap and not offer any more until you know the coast is clear.
thank you

xoprincessremy
10-04-2015, 12:20 PM
Hmmm..... not sure what you mean by 'removed free chat as an option'? That's not part of Geoblocking, is it? I'm not seeing it on my control panel =p

Unless you've specifically ASKED to be 'hidden for members only', then I doubt you are.
I believe, 5 years ago when I joined SM from another camming site, I specifically asked to be hidden or I wasn't going to be able to switch sites, so SM made me hidden. Unless they've changed their sign-up paperwork, I don't think it's an option they list for you to choose.

I'm a 'members-only model' and I did not specifically request it. It's included in the geoblocking.

Issabelle
10-04-2015, 02:31 PM
Regarding being a model seen by members only, YES, you can do it without asking support.

When you click on the 'start my show' button and go under settings, you can set 'allow free chat (members with no credit card)' to NO and that turns it off so YOU don't see it, but it doesn't prevent non-registered members from coming in.

When you set geoblock for ANY location (even a random city in Europe or whatever), it disables free chat entirely. How? Models with geoblock enabled DO NOT show up in the main page listings on SM OR cammodels. I often hear that white labels don't respect geoblock, but I've yet to find myself on a single white label site main page listing without logging in so that actually seems to be false (i.e. white labels DO honor geoblock). To show up on the main page listings of any site when you have geoblock enabled, the member MUST log in. From there, SM automatically logs the IP address of the member. If, for example, you've geoblocked Seattle, any member with a Seattle IP address still will not see you.

The only way around this (for non-registered/non-logged in members) is with a direct link (streamate.com) OR with a cammodels link. Members who are LOGGED IN cannot access your room, regardless of direct link or not, UNLESS they use the cammodels link. If a freeloader doesn't know your cam name, he won't be able to get that direct link, reducing the chance of non-registered users seeing you greatly.

Complicated? Perhaps. Short story is: geoblock more-or-less (95%+) disables free chat users.

laurielegs
10-04-2015, 03:34 PM
I haven't done a gold show in a few weeks. Wow, well that's crazy. Yikes! I would let support know asap and not offer any more until you know the coast is clear.

Really seems to have nothing to do with gold shows.

Happens with private/exclusive shows too. Seems to be an issue with lagging connections between the site and the video stream. I've seen the tail end of privates and gold shows when just casually looking through the site and I notice it seems to happen when the site is having problems and the video streams are lagging through the whole site.

When it happens do a screenshot of what the guys are saying and the time it happened to Support just to protect yourself in case someone reports you for nudity in free and that way you have proof that you were in a gold show or private at the time they saw you.

christylive
10-04-2015, 04:10 PM
my gold show seen ALL MEN IN FREE CHAT! so as video show later!!!!!!!!!!!!!and when i did gold show men wrote me-start show right now! men wrote me- ,,i send report on you! so as you dond do show!,,what going in site?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! zero traffic and this glitches! you're not alone bb. It just happened to me recently. Just cover your buns and email support and let them know what happened.

christylive
10-04-2015, 05:09 PM
This happened to me too and I was already working with them for two weeks trying to resolve problems with lagging from between 3 seconds to 3 minutes which was causing my private shows to appear in free chat. Yet, I was immediately suspended for 3 days because someone took a screen shot and reported me. Five years of being an exclusive, top host on Streamate and I get suspended for having tech issues they knew about and that to this day, I'm still having. I've been policing my live room to make sure the lag isn't too bad but I shouldn't have to do this nor should we have to "email support" for technical issues on a 24/7 live, streaming website and then wait for hours or days for a (usually cut and pasted) response.

WOW that's so MESSED UP! I'm so sorry you got suspended.... I was running scared when that happened to me and I felt so violated and embarrassed when it happened. Luckily it was the 1st time in the 2 years I've been on there.

christylive
10-04-2015, 06:42 PM
the weirdest thing happened in exclusive.... The guy goes excl and he's calling me, I pick up and the guy on the phone was NOT the guy in excl on cam it was someone else. He was saying how he can hear me but he wasn't seeing me but another girl (dif from seconds prior when we was chatting in free chat). Is it possible for customers to somehow get flip flopped into another models excl????
sidenote: the guy in exc on cam did not have ear buds, cell phone nor was his mouth moving....trippy.. LOL

Susperia
10-04-2015, 08:22 PM
Glitch city for me tonight, bunch of revolving ins and outs, an exclusive disappeard too, thanks SM

Issabelle
10-04-2015, 08:40 PM
My bitrate looks like someone took a shot gun to it. Hard reset of my computer and internet repeatedly (hard wired connection, no recent issues whatsoever). My webcam port also fried mid-show (dunno if that's even possibly related, but that also happened so yeah). I'm normally running 2000-2500 on my bitrate no issue and it's going as low as 150 REGULARLY. It did that a few times last week and now it's constant. Lovely.

I'm making money, so I can't complain too much, but my customers are paying $7.49/minute and they should NOT be seeing drops like this. Just...no.

Any suggestions would be lovely.

alex00
10-05-2015, 12:56 AM
Hello what does frames per second and roundtrip time mean and what needs to be fixed with my internet or computer in order for this to help my placement?
Thank u ladies

KatM
10-05-2015, 02:16 AM
About the geoblock & 'hidden model' thing, i think JoyKitten had to request to support to be 'hidden' back in the days when geoblock was not available on dashboard, 5 years ago site was completely different with very little features available to models & i myself asked to be 'hid' to non logged in members back then but then i realized i could not check my placement due to the fact i did not have a member account (still dont have one now a days) so i asked SM to take off the 'filter' & i dont geoblock cause i wanna see my placement, SM blocks my country by default anyway from entering cam rooms so no use to geoblock.

JessRyan
10-05-2015, 06:43 AM
the weirdest thing happened in exclusive.... The guy goes excl and he's calling me, I pick up and the guy on the phone was NOT the guy in excl on cam it was someone else. He was saying how he can hear me but he wasn't seeing me but another girl (dif from seconds prior when we was chatting in free chat). Is it possible for customers to somehow get flip flopped into another models excl????
sidenote: the guy in exc on cam did not have ear buds, cell phone nor was his mouth moving....trippy.. LOL

Crazy! I remember during hell week aka streamgate week, my phone (the confidential phone service) would ring AFTER I had completely logged offline! Talk about delay effect.

christylive
10-05-2015, 08:29 AM
Crazy! I remember during hell week aka streamgate week, my phone (the confidential phone service) would ring AFTER I had completely logged offline! Talk about delay effect.

This just reminded me how I'm forever hearing fantom log offs and ons when I'm not on cam. LOL

ClassyCara
10-05-2015, 12:47 PM
So the past 2 nights, I have my hubby access to my custie account and he noticed issues with the non-moblie site. He could perv all night with no problems, but as soon as he logged in he'd get booted every few minutes. He was using his desktop computer and we have fast internet (80+ upload & download) so there wasn't a problem with speeds. He restarted his computer and everything, same problems both nights. Sometimes it would just freeze, other times it would crash and give a error message. He was getting supper annoyed, which is hard to do, and he wasn't even trying to jerk. (even my nagging doesn't phase him, lol!) I can only imagine what it's like for guys who ARE trying to jerk...boner killer?!?

I know he mentioned something about Java errors, but I'm not techy so it went in one ear, and out the other. Just made me realize it's not just mobile users having trouble....

LaylaLovely
10-05-2015, 02:22 PM
Who are green colored guys?? One guy said he was a producer but I'm sure he was a scammer telling me to switch my external show on to force put which is a " new feature" but the other guy in green was just guest366 in green color .how are they doing that?

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
10-05-2015, 02:30 PM
Who are green colored guys?? One guy said he was a producer but I'm sure he was a scammer telling me to switch my external show on to force put which is a " new feature" but the other guy in green was just guest366 in green color .how are they doing that?

It's a con. And SM is aware of it. Not many people like to talk about it. Just dont turn it on.

ClassyCara
10-05-2015, 02:35 PM
Who are green colored guys?? One guy said he was a producer but I'm sure he was a scammer telling me to switch my external show on to force put which is a " new feature" but the other guy in green was just guest366 in green color .how are they doing that?

Members viewing from any external site will show up green. Models who have a separate membership site have and ESS option. I'm not sure how it works if they view other models from that membership site though...

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
10-05-2015, 02:53 PM
Members viewing from any external site will show up green. Models (and maybe affliates?) who have a separate membership site have and ESS option. Basically, the model turns the ESS option on and they instantly go private. SM members can pay to see their shows, and their membership site members see it for free. I'm not sure how it works if they view other models from that membership site though...

I don't know all the ins and out though, so please correct me if I'm wrong ladies.
In your room members from any external link will show up green.

This is mostly true but the ones going around asking people to turn on the external show option are up to no good. If you have a paysite linked to your sm profile its best to ignore them.

Issabelle
10-05-2015, 03:00 PM
This is mostly true but the ones going around asking people to turn on the external show option are up to no good. If you have a paysite linked to your sm profile its best to ignore them.

Seconding what Phat is saying. If you're getting green members without having a membership site with external show ALREADY turned on, this is 110% a scam. Phat and I are avoiding putting up the details because we don't want more scammers getting any idea of how they can use the system to their advantage, but if you're in verified I think there's a posting about it buried a few pages back.

xCamLovex
10-05-2015, 03:13 PM
I am likely too new for SM when it comes to my opinion on the survey but one thing I think needs to be addressed is...

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deleted. i spoke my mind as a newb and got called stupid. I'd like to just make it a point that if Streamate is asking models for feedback, it might be worth bringing to ther attention in the year 2k15 they need to upgrade certain policies for their benefit and for ours too.

Instead of joking around on surveys to support maybe we could've collectively put together something they could grasp and take into consideration. For their pockets and ours too. I'm sure they have a ton of shit to deal with and own the "if it's not broken don't fix it mentality". But in reality it IS broken and it's all in the delivery of how to convey the message. No bad intentions with my original post and I did not know that it couldn't be mentioned.

Im not secretive or jaded so I'm willing to vocalize what's BS and what customers are taking advantage of. It's the "I ate the entire steak and didnt like it take it off my check" game and my serving days are long over so no I don't play that.

I feel certain forums need to be removed here if certain topics are considered feeding the idiots. I don't mean posts but threads in general. I found SW through a forum post here talking about this god forsaken lord voldemort topic. It's way more damaging than my post on page 891. Just saying.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
10-05-2015, 03:23 PM
I quit. Happy Caming, Happy Holidays. See ya next your Im out

euro_princess
10-05-2015, 04:29 PM
Can we please stop talking about those tips and tricks?! Because he did that, he got a free show etc. For God's Sake, tons of idiots read this only to find out how to scam models. Seriously, just stop. Talk about it in the verified thread. GET VERIFIED!

(A week ago I had a guy who asked me if is true that if he does "this and that" he will get "this and that". He told me he did research on everything. So yeah)

anna111
10-05-2015, 04:35 PM
Can we please stop talking about those tips and tricks?! Because he did that, he got a free show etc. For God's Sake, tons of idiots read this only to find out how to scam models. Seriously, just stop. Talk about it in the verified thread. GET VERIFIED!

(A week ago I had a guy who asked me if is true that if he does "this and that" he will get "this and that". He told me he did research on everything. So yeah)

i want get verified. how can i do it?

xCamLovex
10-05-2015, 04:49 PM
no one is getting a free show euro. no one can disrobe and fall on a dick in just a few seconds. but it is unfortunate models lose their entire audience when someone starts a show. I feel everyone should be charged 1 minute and have to screenshot proof to support if they did in fact encounter technical difficulties for reimbursement. And I mean black screen or color blob pixel difficulties.

Obviously keeping quiet that this exists is not helping the issue but in my opinion making it worse. It's a giant decomposing carcass in the room and we all see and smell it. Something needs to be done about it.

If my post offended anyone, I apologize. But, then the threads that talk about this policy need to be deleted completely.

SuperPookie
10-05-2015, 05:10 PM
I never got a survey which is to bad because I have a lot of things to say :/.

Marina Starr
10-05-2015, 05:26 PM
In the survey I told them they should accept EBT/Food stamps and disability cheques as other form of payments.
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kortneykay
10-05-2015, 05:36 PM
When I clicked on this survey that bitch was broken.

JessRyan
10-05-2015, 07:38 PM
my god will they ever learn? you give them eyes but they cannot see....stop teaching the idiots. I'm with phatgirl on this one. I quit.

hyori
10-05-2015, 07:56 PM
THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM. In other words, it is like going to the Superbowl, grabbing the mic from the anthem singer and yelling whatever you just said here.

STOP talking about the 60 second peepers. STOP being stupid!

BadBitch
10-05-2015, 08:52 PM
THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM. In other words, it is like going to the Superbowl, grabbing the mic from the anthem singer and yelling whatever you just said here.

STOP talking about the 60 second peepers. STOP being stupid!

Agreed! This is why we're getting scammed by these asshole men! They know the tricks now! Stop posting in the public forum!