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JaneBurgess
10-06-2016, 01:39 PM
I tell customers they are being taken. Straight up being robbed. its a novelty. They wonder why i dont jump around. It activates with tips and and my voice and More with my voice so when I talk its going off. "Its a novelty". I voice the fact I want the one we can use the show or privates when I give a link. The one thing a regular model does not want to be known for is lying. I dont need to show my toy and dont get why others do. My guys know there is a difference.

This is why I love you. I have one but I havent tried it on there but it will stay in my underwear and not pop out when I do use it. I used it on another site once and forgot I had it in until I did a private show. I was like what the hell is this thing in my underwear. The guy started laughing in the show because I forgot I was wearing it.

xCamLovex
10-06-2016, 01:47 PM
The new models that jump on the pedo train make bank and since no one else is banking SM gives the approval nod. When there are models with photos hugging teddy bears and baby blankets from the get go...what fetishes do YOU think they are inviting?

I'm so good off that. I can make money as an adult being an adult. If I can't I gotta figure it out right? Right.

JessRyan
10-06-2016, 01:48 PM
I dont know how much other girls have been using the tip activated vibs in free chat but I have had a lot of customers asking me if I have one (and I mean customers who I know pay). They seem to really like them both in guest chat and in private. If they like them that probably means that they are tipping for them and that mean SM is making $$ so I cant really see why they would suddenly ban something that makes them money!

I am now pushing my fans to buy me them, thanks to Hyori for pointing out that there is a wishlist on the lovesense website! If I have one I will tots use it to get more tips in guest chat, Gold Shows and private or exclusive! Money is money!

I dont understand why there is so much hate for those girls who are already making money for them though? It kind of sounds catty to me.

Hey, I'm the biggest cheerleader for girls to make money. ;-) I use my LUSH and Lovense toys all the time on my token sites, I just don't think it's a good idea for a private site like SM. It makes the road clear for all the things that go along while using them on the token sites. It's not the money being made, but it's what these toys lead to and that's what I hope isn't what SM is moving towards. I do all that crazy shit on my token sites. Give an inch they take a mile same goes for camgirls just sayin'

JessRyan
10-06-2016, 01:56 PM
The new models that jump on the pedo train make bank and since no one else is banking SM gives the approval nod. When there are models with photos hugging teddy bears and baby blankets from the get go...what fetishes do YOU think they are inviting?

I'm so good off that. I can make money as an adult being an adult. If I can't I gotta figure it out right? Right.

you got it right there. ever watch the number 1 rooms on CB? most times it's a barely 18 new girl getting slammed by up to 5000 old guys. very creepy. but big bucks

Petite-
10-06-2016, 02:00 PM
I know what you are talking about, the mom rp model is not gone yet yesterday I saw a newish model in my category said she would do daddy daughter rp as a 12 year old (probably the same model you saw lol). wtf is SM doing, it really makes me want to stop camming there. If there is any other decent website that is on SM level(money wise) for me, I'd leave SM in a heart beat just because I don't want to have anything to do with a website that allows pedophile fantasy.

Susperia
10-06-2016, 02:46 PM
Are models pages on SM not loading for anyone else?

JaneBurgess
10-06-2016, 03:45 PM
The new models that jump on the pedo train make bank and since no one else is banking SM gives the approval nod. When there are models with photos hugging teddy bears and baby blankets from the get go...what fetishes do YOU think they are inviting?

I'm so good off that. I can make money as an adult being an adult. If I can't I gotta figure it out right? Right.


I dont get it at all. There is a performer who's bio says I need a daddy with a big cock and other daddy stuff. She clearly is catering to pedos but I cant say humiliation in my profile for fetish because its not allowed. The fetish guys pay big bucks to be humiliated, that word should be allowed and daddy should be banned.

JaneBurgess
10-06-2016, 03:45 PM
Are models pages on SM not loading for anyone else?

Its loading fine for me

Promised
10-06-2016, 04:32 PM
I see tons of girls in their bio that say "taboo roleplay, and ageplay" some of them on the front page. There is always girls completely naked in free chat. I wrote to streamate about a girl who has her pussy showing in one of her pics, and they didn't even make her remove it that was months ago. I've heard countless other girls including some very popular ones tell guys during gold show countdowns they can buy their panties. I'm starting to think they are just not enforcing rules anymore, figured that would happen eventually since most of the other sites started out strict and now you can basically get away with anything...sad streamate was always my favorite, but im looking into other ways of making $ lately.

Erika_Xstacy
10-06-2016, 04:44 PM
I see tons of girls in their bio that say "taboo roleplay, and ageplay" some of them on the front page. There is always girls completely naked in free chat. I wrote to streamate about a girl who has her pussy showing in one of her pics, and they didn't even make her remove it that was months ago. I've heard countless other girls including some very popular ones tell guys during gold show countdowns they can buy their panties. I'm starting to think they are just not enforcing rules anymore, figured that would happen eventually since most of the other sites started out strict and now you can basically get away with anything...sad streamate was always my favorite, but im looking into other ways of making $ lately.

Some girls have emails from them saying its ok to sell panties from what I was told.

I see pussy pics in bios all the time

Im a free chat nudist covering everything with objects, not toys but pillows, towel, panties and heels

my only complaint is toy insertion, fingers, pussy spreads for tips, these same ppl come to my room for it and I have to deny money another girl made breaking the rules.

Promised
10-06-2016, 05:03 PM
Some girls have emails from them saying its ok to sell panties from what I was told.

I see pussy pics in bios all the time

Im a free chat nudist covering everything with objects, not toys but pillows, towel, panties and heels

my only complaint is toy insertion, fingers, pussy spreads for tips, these same ppl come to my room for it and I have to deny money another girl made breaking the rules.

Well they say pussy pics are not allowed, they told me they were going to remove the one from the girls profile. I have sent ones in before where I had pantyhose and things on, but they turned them down because too revealing even though you couldn't really see anything. Also i had a temporary ban before for telling someone an amount when they asked to buy panties but that was 3 years ago. I do free chat nudity sometimes too, covering myself with items and always having panties on no matter how little lol.

Mare
10-07-2016, 08:03 AM
I'm all for keeping sm a Paid site. Not buy all my videos for a cheap amount of which I get very little % and wank to them forever- then come get FREE attention from me in "free"chat. There's a fine line between keeping the guys intrigued and be mildly entertaining without giving away too much. There has to be something for them to pay for.
It's good to know the vibe wiggling and jumping around stuff is BS. I had a feeling it was. It's a great gimmick to get guys to feel like they can participate.
As far as a veteran cam model helping out the site and telling me how to work. No thanks. I have my hustle the way I want it. I'm sure I'd be told to be more entertaining and smile and blah blah blah. But if you want to be a room monitor. I'm all for it. Way too much shit going on there.

DeepThoughts
10-07-2016, 09:44 AM
By Now everyone knows I hate the age play. I really do wish SM would clamp down on that because #Morals !!

All the rest of it. I know guys want it and to me its just like the guys who want free stuff! They are background noise to me. I honestly cannot believe that these girls who sell vomit, watersports, scat or whatever, actually enjoy this! They are just doing it cause guys are asking and they feel like they are missing out on $ by not doing it OR because they havent yet developed the self esteem to say NO!

I see these things as gimmicks being offered by girls who dont know how to sell their real asset! The real asset is YOU! When a guy likes your look, or you remind him of a girl he had or has a crush on he wants you! If you can get in his head and give him what he wants just with words he will come back to YOU because at the end of the day we all have genitals and watching it on a screen isnt as much as a turn on as a girl who knows how to do JOI, SPH, CEI, Humiliation, Ego stroking etc! The same guys who buy into $1 goldshows that promise vomit will turn around and drop $700 on an exclusive session with me because the vomit is a freak show and that is fun but when they want that real orgasm they max out their CC to come have me wear Yoga pants and talk to them like Im there sister in law!

In the long run these girls are shooting themselves in the foot! They will burn out fast! They will wake up and realize its not worth what they are getting paid to be making themselves sick. Stop focusing on the top row girls who offer all this stuff and focus on the top row girls who wont even do anal let alone Scat or vomit! SM is gonna turn a blind eye cause #$$$$ You wont change that but you can up your game! Forget the competition be the best you can be!

As far as girls who show pussy in free chat. All the power to them! Free pussy attracts freeloaders and men always want the pussy they havent had! These girls are not a threat to us!

Erika_Xstacy
10-07-2016, 10:09 AM
Like DT said the girls do burn out quick. Fast money doesnt mean it is all the time. They dont really effect us but its just annoying to constantly say you have to tip or go private

It's good to know the vibe wiggling and jumping around stuff is BS.

It is a gimmick to get more gold. models claiming the ohmibod reacts to different tips. One guy tipped me 150 bc he assumed I would have a screaming orgasm in free chat. My reply was "that is no fun" "send it all in 1 dollar increments so the toy keeps keeps vibrating, the more you tip individual the more it goes off and the more i say ty and the more it goes off"

He was annoyed to say the least:O

~Carmen~
10-07-2016, 10:21 AM
Like DT said the girls do burn out quick. Fast money doesnt mean it is all the time. They dont really effect us but its just annoying to constantly say you have to tip or go private

It's good to know the vibe wiggling and jumping around stuff is BS.

It is a gimmick to get more gold. models claiming the ohmibod reacts to different tips. One guy tipped me 150 bc he assumed I would have a screaming orgasm in free chat. My reply was "that is no fun" "send it all in 1 dollar increments so the toy keeps keeps vibrating, the more you tip individual the more it goes off and the more i say ty and the more it goes off"

He was annoyed to say the least:O

So it's not true that bigger tips mean stronger vibrations. I thought not! LOL

DeepThoughts
10-07-2016, 10:24 AM
^^ That is training! You have to train them cause most of them havent a clue what an orgasm is unless they can see it! In the long run they will believe they hold some secret knowledge and they will pay to see the real thing (or what they think is the real thing)!

Well done girl!

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
10-07-2016, 11:10 AM
I dont know how much other girls have been using the tip activated vibs in free chat but I have had a lot of customers asking me if I have one (and I mean customers who I know pay). They seem to really like them both in guest chat and in private. If they like them that probably means that they are tipping for them and that mean SM is making $$ so I cant really see why they would suddenly ban something that makes them money!

I am now pushing my fans to buy me them, thanks to Hyori for pointing out that there is a wishlist on the lovesense website! If I have one I will tots use it to get more tips in guest chat, Gold Shows and private or exclusive! Money is money!

I dont understand why there is so much hate for those girls who are already making money for them though? It kind of sounds catty to me.

I don't think its catty or people being hateful. I just think a lot of people are concerned by the evolution of camming and don't really know what to do. YOU may know how to get the money no matter what but some are not able to move forward. I apologize if that sounds offensive to those who are against the token vibe creeping in. It's not my intention at all. But I've spent the last few months watching trends and the private show model is losing it's popularity.

From where I'm sitting SM and LJ are the last ones truly standing when it comes to private based sites. All the others:Cams,Imlive...(did I leave anyone out?) have begun to integrate their private sites with live interactive shows. Imlive just announced their partnership with KIIRO interactive toys. So now they're in on it too. Cams.com has been on it. Bongacams,Chaturbate,MFC,F4F. Camgasm turned out to be a front for Chaturbate. SM has to do some of these things if their gonna compete for the traffic. They are not going to go backwards to way things used to be.

In my opinion I think SM should do an overhaul to the look of the site and introduce a legit fetish category. Make the page look different from the rest of the site. Even if its just changing the color scheme. And also add a video section. But I also want to know that they arent gonna resale my videos if I upload them to the site. Honestly it's not like their doing anything really, they're just letting the models create the culture of the site. So the freedom is there it's just not working for everyone and I like I said sometimes people need awhile to catch up.

JaneBurgess
10-07-2016, 11:38 AM
I don't think its catty or people being hateful. I just think a lot of people are concerned by the evolution of camming and don't really know what to do. YOU may know how to get the money no matter what but some are not able to move forward. I apologize if that sounds offensive to those who are against the token vibe creeping in. It's not my intention at all. But I've spent the last few months watching trends and the private show model is losing it's popularity.

From where I'm sitting SM and LJ are the last ones truly standing when it comes to private based sites. All the others:Cams,Imlive...(did I leave anyone out?) have begun to integrate their private sites with live interactive shows. Imlive just announced their partnership with KIIRO interactive toys. So now they're in on it too. Cams.com has been on it. Bongacams,Chaturbate,MFC,F4F. Camgasm turned out to be a front for Chaturbate. SM has to do some of these things if their gonna compete for the traffic. They are not going to go backwards to way things used to be.

In my opinion I think SM should do an overhaul to the look of the site and introduce a legit fetish category. Make the page look different from the rest of the site. Even if its just changing the color scheme. And also add a video section. But I also want to know that they arent gonna resale my videos if I upload them to the site. Honestly it's not like their doing anything really, they're just letting the models create the culture of the site. So the freedom is there it's just not working for everyone and I like I said sometimes people need awhile to catch up.

The difference is those sites you mentioned were dying sites, they had no choice but to change. Cams actually is smart because they have three options that a performer can chose from and they dont allow full nudity in free chat. So you can adapt as a site without allowing anything goes. No cam site should let the performers create the culture of the site. Thats not working out well for the tokens sites.

Like I said earlier LJ is the biggest cam site, traffic and money wise, and they are also the strictest site. So that proves people are willing to spend money on sites that dont allow nudity in free chat, that is a private based site, that hand picks their performers, etc. They are also strict on your cam set up including lighting and what camera you use. So I do think old school can be more profitable on a cam site than the token site mentality. Most of these sites have lost a lot of traffic and performers are not happy. That alone tells you the choices they made are not right, performers should be making money not losing it. Talk to customers on SM, a lot of them say they cant stand these assholes in GD shows because they are rude and cheap. You know its bad when customers are complaining about cheapness.

pippapippa
10-07-2016, 11:41 AM
Every time I come back from private, exclusive, or break, my sound starts to lag. Anyone else having this issue? Very frustrating. Hard wired to my modem with 100/10 so I don't think it's my internet.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
10-07-2016, 12:29 PM
The difference is those sites you mentioned were dying sites, they had no choice but to change. Cams actually is smart because they have three options that a performer can chose from and they dont allow full nudity in free chat. So you can adapt as a site without allowing anything goes. No cam site should let the performers create the culture of the site. Thats not working out well for the tokens sites.

Like I said earlier LJ is the biggest cam site, traffic and money wise, and they are also the strictest site. So that proves people are willing to spend money on sites that dont allow nudity in free chat, that is a private based site, that hand picks their performers, etc. They are also strict on your cam set up including lighting and what camera you use. So I do think old school can be more profitable on a cam site than the token site mentality. Most of these sites have lost a lot of traffic and performers are not happy. That alone tells you the choices they made are not right, performers should be making money not losing it. Talk to customers on SM, a lot of them say they cant stand these assholes in GD shows because they are rude and cheap. You know its bad when customers are complaining about cheapness.

Well in regards to creating the site culture, many cammodels are creating their own business models. So I think this may be another reason we're seeing so many changes. SM's trying to stay relative by letting models do what they want. I think it's because maybe they've realized that so many have gone off to work on their own brands and don't log in as much as they used to. We have so many alternatives now like all the skype directories and then companion sites like MV,IWC,Youkandy etc Then you have membership sites. Some are putting all their time into making great content and then selling it themselves. Then they announce that they're only gonna do two big shows a week on whatever site. After that they sell skype shows and snapchat inbetween those few shows on the big sites. I really think SM is just hoping that some of those marketing efforts will come back to them when they announce those contest.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
10-07-2016, 12:32 PM
Been looking into using GBT to get funds from SM into my UK bank account...I know from reading about that it hits your account in GBP - "Payoneer's Global Bank Transfer service will pay directly to your bank account, in your local currency" but I was wondering if anyone had a real life example of losses on currency conversion (USD to GBP). I have had a look online for an answer and found things like
"When sending funds to your bank account, Payoneer converts funds using rates of 2-2.75% above the official mid-market rate"
and other breakdowns like this:
- Currency Rate*97.25/100 as the final Currency Rate.
1. Payoneer Charges - $3
2. Currency Conversion Charges - 3.75 %
3. Service Tax, VAT - 12.5 % on Currency conversion charges.

Just trying to find out the percentage loss....

Then I can make a decision and try to work out how to actually sort this feature out cause so far I can't seem to link my bank account to my payoneer card. Wanted to see if it was worth it before I try harder to connect the two...

Thanks in advance for any light shed on this xx

Have you been following this thread? https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?212508-Payoneer-Global-Transfer-Issues-Pacnet All of those people are in the UK and are up on things when it comes to GBT

JaneBurgess
10-07-2016, 01:19 PM
Well in regards to creating the site culture, many cammodels are creating their own business models. So I think this may be another reason we're seeing so many changes. SM's trying to stay relative by letting models do what they want. I think it's because maybe they've realized that so many have gone off to work on their own brands and don't log in as much as they used to. We have so many alternatives now like all the skype directories and then companion sites like MV,IWC,Youkandy etc Then you have membership sites. Some are putting all their time into making great content and then selling it themselves. Then they announce that they're only gonna do two big shows a week on whatever site. After that they sell skype shows and snapchat inbetween those few shows on the big sites. I really think SM is just hoping that some of those marketing efforts will come back to them when they announce those contest.


Streamate partnered with ModelCentro, so girls with sites on there can do their member shows on both sites and non members can pay to join the SM side of the show. I understand what you're saying but a cam site is a cam site. They are losing focus of that and I think that really drives the good customers away. People that care about quality shows have left the site because they dont like the changes. It would be better to not let any performer offer incentives in a show period. Make the performers a store so customers can buy cam shows and then purchase video or picture sets separately. That would be more money for the site and performers. Thats what MV, YouKandy and iwantclips do. I agree they have to think out of the box, but they have to put being a cam site first. Hell this thread is full of good ideas that they could use.

Erika_Xstacy
10-07-2016, 02:20 PM
The reason I never started the ohmibod tip scandal was a customer bought the toy for me and he bought his fiance the same toy after reading what it does.
This is why I never used it. He knew what it does
Kinda spoiled the whole thing for me so in return I do it to everyone else, no!!!! IM JUST KIDDING. }:D
I totally wanted to make bank but at that time camgirls were complaining and damn if a customer would turn me into sm for faking the funk. it does happen if they can prove it w enough complaints

Weighing my options, I do not use it like that. I use it for fun and randomly. Im a honest camgirl lol kinda like a honest drug dealer.
But those random big tips are nice from users, I just wont put on a show. I do offer a custom video for the guys who were like :O or if they want videos from my collection. Everyone does work hard for money at the end of the day and Im not trying to piss money off.
Im use to only saying ty for huge tips:)

I know I say shit backwards but you get it :)

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
10-07-2016, 02:38 PM
Streamate partnered with ModelCentro, so girls with sites on there can do their member shows on both sites and non members can pay to join the SM side of the show. I understand what you're saying but a cam site is a cam site. They are losing focus of that and I think that really drives the good customers away. People that care about quality shows have left the site because they dont like the changes. It would be better to not let any performer offer incentives in a show period. Make the performers a store so customers can buy cam shows and then purchase video or picture sets separately. That would be more money for the site and performers. Thats what MV, YouKandy and iwantclips do. I agree they have to think out of the box, but they have to put being a cam site first. Hell this thread is full of good ideas that they could use.

SM doesn't show the MC banner to all customers. It did at one point but now it doesn't. Having it linked really did nothing for me except give guys an additional reason to google me. Because your not allowed to say the name of the site. In the beginning my sites had a huge surge in traffic when ever I logged on cuz guys where seeing the yellow banner. But then suddenly it slowed down. I think that must have been when they did the change. Yea this site is filled with ideas but they don't seem that open to listening. I'm not saying its a lost cause I just think it may be less problematic if people started to accept the direction that the site is going in. And that doesn't mean to become complacent. Its just that the site hasn't really done much in the way of innovation. I started just after gold shows were implemented. So I dont know what things were like prior to that. After that the only innovative tool they've suggested since was the Leaderboard for GOLD SHOWS. And then they started doing the contest. There were gaps in between all of these things. I don't know what else they got cooking but its coming out slow. I get the frustration. I used to be right there. But I think at this point SM is what it is.

xxtinamariexx
10-07-2016, 02:47 PM
I have the Nora and Lush and Iwish that I could give guys the link so they can control my Nora... now I use it on guys on skype and I have a few SM guys that have me on skype. so they get to use it... They love the control over MY orgasm! but no one has given me the OK to give out a link or anything and they have to give or we have to give a id/like for it to work

JaneBurgess
10-07-2016, 03:07 PM
SM doesn't show the MC banner to all customers. It did at one point but now it doesn't. Having it linked really did nothing for me except give guys an additional reason to google me. Because your not allowed to say the name of the site. In the beginning my sites had a huge surge in traffic when ever I logged on cuz guys where seeing the yellow banner. But then suddenly it slowed down. I think that must have been when they did the change. Yea this site is filled with ideas but they don't seem that open to listening. I'm not saying its a lost cause I just think it may be less problematic if people started to accept the direction that the site is going in. And that doesn't mean to become complacent. Its just that the site hasn't really done much in the way of innovation. I started just after gold shows were implemented. So I dont know what things were like prior to that. After that the only innovative tool they've suggested since was the Leaderboard for GOLD SHOWS. And then they started doing the contest. There were gaps in between all of these things. I don't know what else they got cooking but its coming out slow. I get the frustration. I used to be right there. But I think at this point SM is what it is.


I think you would have liked the site before Gold shows. We couldnt do any nudity at all in free chat so people bought shows all the time. There werent that many freeloaders since they didnt have anything to gain being on there. Free chat was usually pretty fun because people talked and they werent rude. It was much more fun and you didnt deal with assclowns like you do now. We also didnt have glitches either, those started when the GS came out. I think thats why those of us that were there before these changes dont understand why they did them. I understand stepping up your game, but you could have done that without GS or nudity in free chat.

Holly_xoxo
10-07-2016, 07:50 PM
I think you would have liked the site before Gold shows. We couldnt do any nudity at all in free chat so people bought shows all the time. There werent that many freeloaders since they didnt have anything to gain being on there. Free chat was usually pretty fun because people talked and they werent rude. It was much more fun and you didnt deal with assclowns like you do now. We also didnt have glitches either, those started when the GS came out. I think thats why those of us that were there before these changes dont understand why they did them. I understand stepping up your game, but you could have done that without GS or nudity in free chat.

I started on SM about a year before GS started and there was definitely a shift in atmosphere there. I also noticed that quite a few ladies started having topics like "not doing shows today...just hanging out" and that gave guys the idea that they could just do that. Every day I get guys coming into my room that say they aren't planning on spending money. They're just "chilling"

I'll never fit in with what's happening to the site now because I don't want guys hanging out or thinking we're a team and they're my friend. I have no interest in being a mini celebrity and going for just popularity (since that doesn't always equal more money)

I don't see SM going back to the way they used to be. They'll probably just keep going in the current direction and I accept that but I can't help but be nostalgic some days.

Sunnylexie
10-08-2016, 02:35 AM
ANyone with a member account - do you actually have to "buy" Gold, or I should just ban everyone who mentions "buying" it as a freeloader making lame excuses?

DeepThoughts
10-08-2016, 03:15 AM
^^ Dont ban them! They do have to buy gold. I often have guys in prvt. or excl who run out of cash and have to buy more or recharge their account. SM doesnt just access their credit cards and let them run it up until they max it out lol.

Mare
10-08-2016, 08:45 AM
But I've spent the last few months watching trends and the private show model is losing it's popularity. ( PhatGirlDynomite!!!)
Here's the thing. If you look at the Alexa Rankings or any site rankings it will show token sites as most popular no doubt because of traffic. CHEAP,FREELOADING, NON-PAYING traffic.
We have no way of knowing as models which site the ladies are actually making the most $$$ on as a whole. If MFC has 100 ladies making bank and 500 not making rent then eh. Not the site for me.
SM may have less traffic and I may bitch sometimes, but the whole free world isn't able to see me unless they pay.
Point is if SM evolves into a token site we might as well work on one where we make 70%. Now if they want to make it like Cams where I have the option of not doing free shows. Great.
All I ever got from MFC is FREELOADERS. Kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth for other token sites. If I HAVE to do shows for everyone I better make $$$ like a damn rock star. More exposure put you at more risk. I'm not even talking about the possibility of being recorded. It's the mentality that you're in free chat doing your sex shows that they can watch every day for free. Entitlement mentality. If they run into you somewhere that's going to cause them to act as if they're entitled to you, your time ect.
Not to mention it seems like MFC guys that tip are getting tired of paying for everyone else. AND they hold tokens over your head like you're a performing monkey. They dangle them in front of you. And then they leave. How desperate will she get? Will she finally do anal? Will she give me her phone number?
This isn't where I want to go.
And I'm not directing that at you PGD!!! I'm just giving you credit for the comment.

hyori
10-08-2016, 09:01 AM
^^ Alexa ratings don't work with SM because the traffic stats don't account for all the offshoot whitelabel cambuilder domains. SM has an innovative traffic strategy that doesn't work like any other site. That being said, I don't believe the quality or amount of traffic we get is worth the paycut UNLESS you make stringent use of your cammodel account and build your own cambuilder websites. Then, you get more of your fair share. In that sense, SM COULD be the best payout for you. One model who makes great use of this is IvyAdams.

As for token sites, I'm finally beginning to make sense of the culture. Yes, there are quite a few freeloaders but I would say that they are only half of the guys in your room. The other half are lonely, bored guys who enjoy your company and who do understand they need to contribute to keep you happy. Only MFC encourages this kind of customer because of the brutal camscore and the community atmosphere. Your fans stay with you because to them you are like their favorite sports team, they root for you and get you top ranking just like division playoffs. To succeed on MFC, you build a large loyal contributing fanbase. This takes time, engagement, marketing and a huge tolerance of bullshit...more so than on any other site.

Other token sites like CB, Bonga and other copycats just do not have the same competitive feel and community building and that's why they just don't make as much money as MFC.

TL:DR The best, most fair sites to models are still SM (as long as you take advantage of cammodel/affiliate programs) and MFC.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
10-08-2016, 09:14 AM
But I've spent the last few months watching trends and the private show model is losing it's popularity. ( PhatGirlDynomite!!!)
Here's the thing. If you look at the Alexa Rankings or any site rankings it will show token sites as most popular no doubt because of traffic. CHEAP,FREELOADING, NON-PAYING traffic.
We have no way of knowing as models which site the ladies are actually making the most $$$ on as a whole. If MFC has 100 ladies making bank and 500 not making rent then eh. Not the site for me.
SM may have less traffic and I may bitch sometimes, but the whole free world isn't able to see me unless they pay.
Point is if SM evolves into a token site we might as well work on one where we make 70%. Now if they want to make it like Cams where I have the option of not doing free shows. Great.
All I ever got from MFC is FREELOADERS. Kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth for other token sites. If I HAVE to do shows for everyone I better make $$$ like a damn rock star. More exposure put you at more risk. I'm not even talking about the possibility of being recorded. It's the mentality that you're in free chat doing your sex shows that they can watch every day for free. Entitlement mentality. If they run into you somewhere that's going to cause them to act as if they're entitled to you, your time ect.
Not to mention it seems like MFC guys that tip are getting tired of paying for everyone else. AND they hold tokens over your head like you're a performing monkey. They dangle them in front of you. And then they leave. How desperate will she get? Will she finally do anal? Will she give me her phone number?
This isn't where I want to go.
And I'm not directing that at you PGD!!! I'm just giving you credit for the comment.

The trends that I've spotted have nothing to do website analytics. I'm getting it from social media. I know that sites like Alexa show that traffic is down. I think most of us know this without seeing the numbers. The point I'm trying to make is that things are changing due to an increase of new models. And when you have new people you start to see new trends. A lot of these new models have no idea how things used to be and don't seem too concerned with the past. I think this makes them more attractive to sites like Streamate. And my theory is this is why it seems like people are getting away with so much crap. It's probably bringing in the traffic.

Also what I've seen are more and more people going away from 35-50% all together. There are soooo many models out there that some of you may not even be aware of. And a lot of them are extremely creative and working hard on their promo. I can't really give examples because it would be like giving away someones ideas. Just spend some time on twitter and tumblr, you'll see.

hyori
10-08-2016, 09:22 AM
The trends that I've spotted have nothing to do website analytics. I'm getting it from social media. I know that sites like Alexa show that traffic is down. I think most of us know this without seeing the numbers. The point I'm trying to make is that things are changing due to an increase of new models. And when you have new people you start to see new trends. A lot of these new models have no idea how things used to be and don't seem too concerned with the past. I think this makes them more attractive to sites like Streamate. And my theory is this is why it seems like people are getting away with so much crap. It's probably bringing in the traffic.

Also what I've seen are more and more people going away from 35-50% all together. There are soooo many models out there that some of you may not even be aware of. And a lot of them are extremely creative and working hard on their promo. I can't really give examples because it would be like giving away someones ideas. Just spend some time on twitter and tumblr, you'll see.

Exactly, there are so many ways to make money with your brand. Finding a system that works for you is the way to earn more for doing less work. It's not about working double the hours to make double the income, it's just being smarter. Once you have the perfect blend of what works, you're pretty much set for awhile. For some models it's video sales, others have a niche fetish. You don't have to be successful on just the cam sites, I would say go for what you are drawn to doing. If you hate free chat go indy or paysite and make clips/PSO/erotica etc. Commit and do it 100%. That's my problem, I keep jumping the bandwagon when I don't get immediate results but you really just have to believe in yourself and go for it with everything you have and don't be afraid to fail because even if you do at least you'll never wonder or have regret.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
10-08-2016, 10:32 AM
Nope sometimes SM will make customers charge up their accounts. I thought it was crazy too around the Holidays last year until it happened with my customer account. Upon logging in I was told to load $25 to my account. And this was after I had tipped models in free chat. Then one day BOOM prepay please. I never did. I contacted live support to ask why was given some weird response. Next time I logged in I couldnt log in because the account was closed. Its not the first time a customer account was closed. But I do know that they make some customers load up their accounts with money. I thought they were lying too until it happened to me.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
10-08-2016, 10:40 AM
Huh, well, that's interesting. Never happened in my experience, but good to know that different people apparently have different options/requirements... I wonder if it has anything to do with whether or not you sign up with a credit or debit card.

Its possible. I always use a prepaid card whenever I do anything adult related.

AnotherLily
10-08-2016, 01:26 PM
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?153988-Streamate-amp-Cammodels-Link

JaneBurgess
10-08-2016, 03:05 PM
Nope sometimes SM will make customers charge up their accounts. I thought it was crazy too around the Holidays last year until it happened with my customer account. Upon logging in I was told to load $25 to my account. And this was after I had tipped models in free chat. Then one day BOOM prepay please. I never did. I contacted live support to ask why was given some weird response. Next time I logged in I couldnt log in because the account was closed. Its not the first time a customer account was closed. But I do know that they make some customers load up their accounts with money. I thought they were lying too until it happened to me.

I heard people say their accounts were closed for no reason. I wonder if they close them if you dont prepay.

JaneBurgess
10-08-2016, 03:06 PM
That's for customer referrals. I'm asking if there's a referral system for models referring new models to the site.

You have to contact Liz directly for model referrals

Missbounty
10-08-2016, 10:16 PM
Hey hey! I have a question about rating. When I open Customers----> Ratings , then I can see someone has gave me a 1 star rating, but today I checked all people who went in private that day and noone really rated me 1 star. That's kinda weird, can't understand where that 1 star came from ? :D Any ideas? Maybe there is a new feature that members can rate anonymously ? Or maybe 2 second private members now can rate too ? Im so confused. Maybe someone had the same situation?

imelly21
10-08-2016, 10:42 PM
Hey hey! I have a question about rating. When I open Customers----> Ratings , then I can see someone has gave me a 1 star rating, but today I checked all people who went in private that day and noone really rated me 1 star. That's kinda weird, can't understand where that 1 star came from ? :D Any ideas? Maybe there is a new feature that members can rate anonymously ? Or maybe 2 second private members now can rate too ? Im so confused. Maybe someone had the same situation?
sometimes I go look at all the privates I had to see who rated 1. U can see that under their profile tab, at sessions.

Missbounty
10-08-2016, 11:13 PM
sometimes I go look at all the privates I had to see who rated 1. U can see that under their profile tab, at sessions.


Well, thats what I did and there was noone, who left 1 star rating. I checked many times

Sugardaddytits
10-09-2016, 06:03 AM
Ive looked threw the threads and couldnt find an answer. My first week of working i made 60 dollars second week 5 third week 5 again. I have yet to actually see a check. And it doesnt show any payments. Is this normal? Its been more than three weeks and still nothing.

IrishCamGirl
10-09-2016, 06:48 AM
Ive looked threw the threads and couldnt find an answer. My first week of working i made 60 dollars second week 5 third week 5 again. I have yet to actually see a check. And it doesnt show any payments. Is this normal? Its been more than three weeks and still nothing.

I might be wrong, but i think Streamate hold the cheque until you've made 100 dollars in a week. You might be able to change it in the payment bit on your profile although i'm not 100% sure. :)

Sugardaddytits
10-09-2016, 06:58 AM
I might be wrong, but i think Streamate hold the cheque until you've made 100 dollars in a week. You might be able to change it in the payment bit on your profile although i'm not 100% sure. :)

I know. I changed it to a 20 dollar min.

hyori
10-09-2016, 07:07 AM
^^ It would be beneficial for you if you read through this thread, or even the starting out thread. Anyway, SM holds onto your first check for 3 weeks, and then you start getting your checks weekly thereafter.

Caseycurvaceous
10-09-2016, 07:13 AM
Have a stream mate account but it just doesn't seem for me , maybe because im still fluffy and shit ... i see most guys want the slender gals and thats cool but where all the guys at who want a bit more cushion...
sigh... oh well ill stick to my other sites and maybe try this again when i have time xo

Sugardaddytits
10-09-2016, 07:17 AM
I do read threw this thread all the time. I am aware of the three week hold its been longer than three weeks thats why im confused.

Tigrillo
10-09-2016, 07:23 AM
what about your payment method SDtits? if you chose Payoneer for example you won't see a deposit until you accumulate 100 usd at least.

Sugardaddytits
10-09-2016, 07:36 AM
I set mine up to get a check.

JessRyan
10-09-2016, 02:06 PM
SM doesn't show the MC banner to all customers. It did at one point but now it doesn't. Having it linked really did nothing for me except give guys an additional reason to google me. Because your not allowed to say the name of the site. In the beginning my sites had a huge surge in traffic when ever I logged on cuz guys where seeing the yellow banner. But then suddenly it slowed down. I think that must have been when they did the change. Yea this site is filled with ideas but they don't seem that open to listening. I'm not saying its a lost cause I just think it may be less problematic if people started to accept the direction that the site is going in. And that doesn't mean to become complacent. Its just that the site hasn't really done much in the way of innovation. I started just after gold shows were implemented. So I dont know what things were like prior to that. After that the only innovative tool they've suggested since was the Leaderboard for GOLD SHOWS. And then they started doing the contest. There were gaps in between all of these things. I don't know what else they got cooking but its coming out slow. I get the frustration. I used to be right there. But I think at this point SM is what it is.

" It is what it is" I really like that. and yes, you're right.

In the 2 years (almost) I've been on SM and the same 2 years on SW, not one real thing we've all wanted has been added. Well, the link to the custie/profile I think Scarlette Bell suggested during streamgate open letter to Liz thread.
When they did that, they could have VERY EASILY added the other option we have ALWAYS been asking for. The ability to ban a customer. They didn't.

The second thing that they VERY EASILY could do for us and would change all this to a positive relationship between model and site, is to put an end to the peeper.
Even fucking Chaturbate has a min private time in which I set to 4 minutes.


The fact they have never even considered these two simple little things that we have consistently begged for for as long as I can remember, speaks volumes to me. Streamate does not care. Not about those trivial little things. They have their own corporate agenda whatever the hell that might be. They don't care, I get it very clearly. I just log on, treat my guys like gold, have a good time, make my money, follow the rules and cash my fucking check.