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cutiecam
11-17-2016, 06:57 PM
Have ya'll taken the New Survey and Feedback Form yet? I'm actually pretty curious to what some of your answers were. :-)

I for one would like the member notes section to mirror myfreecams. It's nice to click the guys username and see; send a message, view chat log, add notes, add friend, ignore user, etc
It's hard to write awesome notes when you have 30 seconds to get dressed and work free chat. After a long shift, I forget a lot of things. I need that chat log to make better notes!

StellaPurr
11-17-2016, 07:21 PM
So my ID expired today so I've been suspended from camming until they approve my new one. Ugh. I submitted the new one two days ago. I would have done it earlier but the damn thing took so long to come in the mail and I submitted it the minute I got it. How long does it usually take for them to approve new documents? I'm praying it's soon because I'd like to make more money before cutoff on Saturday. Should I maybe email Liz or should I just wait it out?

Marina Starr
11-17-2016, 07:31 PM
Email Liz now or it could take days, weeks!

So my ID expired today so I've been suspended from camming until they approve my new one. Ugh. I submitted the new one two days ago. I would have done it earlier but the damn thing took so long to come in the mail and I submitted it the minute I got it. How long does it usually take for them to approve new documents? I'm praying it's soon because I'd like to make more money before cutoff on Saturday. Should I maybe email Liz or should I just wait it out?

Blovely
11-17-2016, 08:01 PM
Do you still get the traffic boost wit the FMLE or has it got to be SMB?
Like Magic and PhatGirl said you get a boost with both but I think you get a bigger boost with the SMB. I think it was in the SM vent thread where a few girls said that they experienced like 2-5 rows difference with the SMB.

I don't use the SMB since we can't use split software with it. I tried using it like once but I got annoyed so dam quick with having to use 2 camera's for 2 different sites. I kept on forgetting to move the camera on the site that I wasn't doing a show with to the same location of the camera that I was doing a show with. Its already hard enough to focus on 3 or 5 sites at once but then throw in another camera....no ma'am I don't got time for that. I will stick with the FMLE until I can't use it anymore.


Have ya'll taken the New Survey and Feedback Form yet? I'm actually pretty curious to what some of your answers were. :-)

I for one would like the member notes section to mirror myfreecams. It's nice to click the guys username and see; send a message, view chat log, add notes, add friend, ignore user, etc
It's hard to write awesome notes when you have 30 seconds to get dressed and work free chat. After a long shift, I forget a lot of things. I need that chat log to make better notes!
To be honest no and I probably won't.

I partially read the newsletter but I couldn't bring myself to read the whole thing and fill out the survey and feedback form. I honestly laughed to myself and then deleted the message. At this point I have a really, really, reeeeeeeeally hard time caring about things like this because I and so many others have given feedback(not just once but multiple times) just for it to be ignored. Perhaps when they show that they're actually listening to us I will be less reluctant to participant in these sort of things.

StellaPurr
11-17-2016, 08:09 PM
Thank you! Fuck okay how do I email Liz? I'm sorry lol I feel like such an idiot I've just never had to email her before I have no idea how to

TrifilinCamHo
11-17-2016, 08:23 PM
Thank you! Fuck okay how do I email Liz? I'm sorry lol I feel like such an idiot I've just never had to email her before I have no idea how to

[email protected]

Liz is always kind, prompt and helpful!

StellaPurr
11-17-2016, 08:27 PM
Bless u thank u!

BadBitch
11-17-2016, 11:23 PM
I tried starting my Gold Show today and I received a message saying that there was a "system error". I couldn't fucking start the show.

I also had guys who couldn't see me in pvt.

WHY won't SM acknowledge these glitches? I don't understand it.

DeepThoughts
11-18-2016, 05:55 AM
^^ I think by now probably everyone on here knows Im a SM cheerleader so dont be shocked but Im gonna go to bat for them a little here. SM does acknowledge the glitches and they are trying to fix them! They are not sitting on their asses. How do we know this? Because all of us are experiencing glitches but they are different ones and happen at different times so that means that someone is fiddling with something somewhere and I would put money on the fiddling being a result of "glitch repairs".

Now I remember not that long ago this thread was filled with girls complaining that the site should be more mobile friendly and that we were losing a huge opportunity because it wasnt yet mobile friendly. So here they are and it would appear that they are trying to implement changes that will make the site more interactive for the mobile user. That is what we all wanted right? Oh not quite!! It would seem that what we wanted was a mobile friendly site that became like that magically overnight without any glitches or issues or problems!

Well that is just unrealistic! Do you have any idea how much code it must take to run a website that streams out webcams all over the WORLD to any computer anywhere else in the WORLD? Then consider that you need to format the code to allow users to pay to see a certain stream by them or only by them and other paying users! YEAH, that is where token sites have it a bit easier! Its huge! The codes have got to be huge for this site plus you have GS and C2C and now you want to make all of it work on mobile devices but you cannot just shut down the site until you alter the code and work out the bugs you have to do this with it all running live!

Put in more hours, Change your hustle a bit or go to another site. We have to learn to evolve or die its just that simple but to simply write it off that SM doesnt care or acknowledge that this is happening is just you passing the buck cause you want it all to go back to the way it was. This is the internet age! It doesnt work like that. Things change fast and often and there is gonna be glitches.

DeepThoughts
11-18-2016, 08:48 AM
^^ I imagine if that happens Im going to be see the inside of a lot of work place bathroom stalls :D

kortneykay
11-18-2016, 11:07 AM
Meh, sorry but I don't think SM cares at all. If they did, the emails we get from them would be over matters that were actually important to MODELS. We ask for higher percentage, we get a shiny new site. We ask for live customer service, we get silence, we ask for better paying traffic, we get contests and pushed to bring in our own traffic!

We have a lot more needs and wants, but what do we get? Oh, a contest passive aggressively warning us that the site will be running on low capacity and occasional suverys about shit we dont care about, like customer notes. LMAO. Really? Unless there's a way to block them after they leave, I don't give a damn. People in power will always gaslight and distract with shiny things to keep your mind off of what you want.

SM sees us as work ants. We're not their employees, and what we think comes last to their employees, stock holders, investors and whomever else. Why is it that we still don't have a personal live chat of our own? But yet clients do? So they're worried about those that bring money to the site, and who have power to take that away.

Why dont they see the value in us, then? They know that WE could simply not sign in as a group and the site would go to hell. But they know we wont do it because patriarchy tells them thay women dont put their foot down as much as they should. Our only value to them is what we make them. That's why we get 35% with no actual model focused bells and whistles.

Thays okay though, I treat SM like they treat me. Business only. I log on and make my coin whIle splitting with other sites so that my bottom line exceeds my own expectations. SM is good when it's good but I'm not down with someone pissing on me and calling it rain. Nah. They don't give a damn. And it's good because WE made the damn sale!

SM is just another platform. We all give up 70-65% for them to bring us guys, so let's not make it seem like they're doing soooo much for us. They do the same things that every other platform does except we get lower pay, and they just happened to get there first.

There's nothing magical about securing a marketing budget, paying for ad space, getting a adult payment processor, finding investors, hiring others to find clients for you, building multiple sites, and then throwing the product in one space so the client gets to shop. Brick and mortars do it every day.

Again, you are already paying them to do this for you and you can supplement your own income by doing the same damn thing and keep damn near 100% of YOUR money. You are the product!

We sit there come hell or high water, and we HUSTLE those sales ourselves. They're not guaranteed! We pay SM up to 70% just to pitch a sale to someone! And when we ask for shit it gets swept under the rug. I guarantee if models striked that percentage would go up, and the bells and whistles would be on that bitch, too!

Sorry for the vent and emotional vomiting but can anyone honestly compare what they've given to sm (up to 70%, our holidays, our time, our sales techniques, devotion, etc) to what they've given us that we don't already PAY for? I'll wait. I'm used to it with them.

sexysusie
11-18-2016, 12:00 PM
SM is actually the lowest now, along with lj. The standard is 50%+. It really is time for ladies to take their main business to places that pay them more!

Now talking of pay, I read that the period ends saturday 11.59pm GMT and we should get it 3 - 5 days later. Am I right in thinking i should get mine (payoneer) wednesday next week?

kortneykay
11-18-2016, 12:07 PM
SM is actually the lowest now, along with lj. The standard is 50%+. It really is time for ladies to take their main business to places that pay them more!

Now talking of pay, I read that the period ends saturday 11.59pm GMT and we should get it 3 - 5 days later. Am I right in thinking i should get mine (payoneer) wednesday next week?

You'll get it on Friday. They do payroll on Wednesday.

DeepThoughts
11-18-2016, 12:14 PM
A couple of things here. I am not making the argument that they care about what the cam models want just that they do care about the glitches to the site and they are addressing them. I am making the argument that the glitches are something we all have to deal with but they do get fixed! Its temporary so they are putting people on it.

I agree with you that they are not making the site exactly as us cam models want it and honestly (as a business women) I can understand their position on this. At the end of the day if they dont see profit in making the changes we ask for they arent going to do it and as much as that sucks for us if they did do all those




There's nothing magical about securing a marketing budget, paying for ad space, getting a adult payment processor, finding investors, hiring others to find clients for you, building multiple sites, and then throwing the product in one space so the client gets to shop. Brick and mortars do it every day.

Again, you are already paying them to do this for you and you can supplement your own income by doing the same damn thing and keep damn near 100% of YOUR money. You are the product!



No one is saying this is magical! Its Capital! Who has the capital to do all those things? If it was a brick and mortar you still need the capital so most people would go and borrow from the bank, that there is overhead. Then you have overhead to run and maintain the product. SO! When you say you get to keep "100% of your money" That is an enormous over statement. You get to keep 100% of the profit! After all is said and done your profit might come in some where higher then 35%. If your really good at what you do (not the camming side but the marketing side) then you might even get up to 50 or 60% profit but that is pretty rare. Remember SM does not get to keep 65 to 70% of the money made on the site! If you bring in a new client on your cammodels link you get an extra 30% That is because your getting an affiliate cut as well so they are paying us 30-35% and an affiliate is making 30% so they actually take in 35 to 40% and with that they run and maintain the site. Of course they make huge profit when its all said and done because they are good at what they do. That is what they are entitled to make and you would feel the same if you were in their position. If they didnt make huge profit then it wouldnt be worth it and again No Site!

I understand its frustrating. OMG I totally get the frustration! Look back at my post about glitches and you can see that I have been there just as much as everyone else but at the end of the day every glitch has been fixed and that means that they are doing their jobs and earning their money but in reality I run my own site and marketed myself for years and years so I really do understand what it takes and how much money you really get to keep as profit and I love that now I can make a tidy profit from all that self marketing by selling subscriptions and videos to clients BUT I can also make a huge profit on SM with small overhead and no one to boss me around. If the very worst I have to deal with is glitches I will take that any day over going back to trying to be a full time pornstar and I will die before I go back to being someones sales bitch or someones farmhand like I used to do when I was still in school!

Melyssax
11-18-2016, 12:24 PM
Meh, sorry but I don't think SM cares at all. If they did, the emails we get from them would be over matters that were actually important to MODELS. We ask for higher percentage, we get a shiny new site. We ask for live customer service, we get silence, we ask for better paying traffic, we get contests and pushed to bring in our own traffic!

We have a lot more needs and wants, but what do we get? Oh, a contest passive aggressively warning us that the site will be running on low capacity and occasional suverys about shit we dont care about, like customer notes. LMAO. Really? Unless there's a way to block them after they leave, I don't give a damn. People in power will always gaslight and distract with shiny things to keep your mind off of what you want.

SM sees us as work ants. We're not their employees, and what we think comes last to their employees, stock holders, investors and whomever else. Why is it that we still don't have a personal live chat of our own? But yet clients do? So they're worried about those that bring money to the site, and who have power to take that away.

Why dont they see the value in us, then? They know that WE could simply not sign in as a group and the site would go to hell. But they know we wont do it because patriarchy tells them thay women dont put their foot down as much as they should. Our only value to them is what we make them. That's why we get 35% with no actual model focused bells and whistles.

Thays okay though, I treat SM like they treat me. Business only. I log on and make my coin whIle splitting with other sites so that my bottom line exceeds my own expectations. SM is good when it's good but I'm not down with someone pissing on me and calling it rain. Nah. They don't give a damn. And it's good because WE made the damn sale!

SM is just another platform. We all give up 70-65% for them to bring us guys, so let's not make it seem like they're doing soooo much for us. They do the same things that every other platform does except we get lower pay, and they just happened to get there first.

There's nothing magical about securing a marketing budget, paying for ad space, getting a adult payment processor, finding investors, hiring others to find clients for you, building multiple sites, and then throwing the product in one space so the client gets to shop. Brick and mortars do it every day.

Again, you are already paying them to do this for you and you can supplement your own income by doing the same damn thing and keep damn near 100% of YOUR money. You are the product!

We sit there come hell or high water, and we HUSTLE those sales ourselves. They're not guaranteed! We pay SM up to 70% just to pitch a sale to someone! And when we ask for shit it gets swept under the rug. I guarantee if models striked that percentage would go up, and the bells and whistles would be on that bitch, too!

Sorry for the vent and emotional vomiting but can anyone honestly compare what they've given to sm (up to 70%, our holidays, our time, our sales techniques, devotion, etc) to what they've given us that we don't already PAY for? I'll wait. I'm used to it with them.



THIS...

**Sideeyes @ SM**



https://m.popkey.co/3c984f/YA1OZ.gif

kortneykay
11-18-2016, 12:26 PM
A couple of things here. I am not making the argument that they care about what the cam models want just that they do care about the glitches to the site and they are addressing them. I am making the argument that the glitches are something we all have to deal with but they do get fixed! Its temporary so they are putting people on it.

I agree with you that they are not making the site exactly as us cam models want it and honestly (as a business women) I can understand their position on this. At the end of the day if they dont see profit in making the changes we ask for they arent going to do it and as much as that sucks for us if they did do all those



No one is saying this is magical! Its Capital! Who has the capital to do all those things? If it was a brick and mortar you still need the capital so most people would go and borrow from the bank, that there is overhead. Then you have overhead to run and maintain the product. SO! When you say you get to keep "100% of your money" That is an enormous over statement. You get to keep 100% of the profit! After all is said and done your profit might come in some where higher then 35%. If your really good at what you do (not the camming side but the marketing side) then you might even get up to 50 or 60% profit but that is pretty rare. Remember SM does not get to keep 65 to 70% of the money made on the site! If you bring in a new client on your cammodels link you get an extra 30% That is because your getting an affiliate cut as well so they are paying us 30-35% and an affiliate is making 30% so they actually take in 35 to 40% and with that they run and maintain the site. Of course they make huge profit when its all said and done because they are good at what they do. That is what they are entitled to make and you would feel the same if you were in their position. If they didnt make huge profit then it wouldnt be worth it and again No Site!

I understand its frustrating. OMG I totally get the frustration! Look back at my post about glitches and you can see that I have been there just as much as everyone else but at the end of the day every glitch has been fixed and that means that they are doing their jobs and earning their money but in reality I run my own site and marketed myself for years and years so I really do understand what it takes and how much money you really get to keep as profit and I love that now I can make a tidy profit from all that self marketing by selling subscriptions and videos to clients BUT I can also make a huge profit on SM with small overhead and no one to boss me around. If the very worst I have to deal with is glitches I will take that any day over going back to trying to be a full time pornstar and I will die before I go back to being someones sales bitch or someones farmhand like I used to do when I was still in school!

SM has the Capitol! Where do you think out 65% goes? If they didn't have the capitol, why are they throwing away money 7x a year in contest winnings to EVERY model on the site who makes X amount? I guess to you, $30k+ per contest in free money isn't Capitol?

Again, models are suffering in this. SM CAN afford to give more, they just won't. Business is my middle name, I know how it's run and don't need you to tell me how things are run.

No, they aren't good at what they do. Are pimps good at what they do then? Laughable. Keep rooting for them while they slide you 35% of the sale you made which means you have to work HARDER to make YOUR goals.

I see it for what it is. They're taking advantage of us. Period. I just choose to give them less of my time/money. Sure, you think 65% is small overhead. LMFAO. Again, they're playing you.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-18-2016, 12:34 PM
Meh, sorry but I don't think SM cares at all. If they did, the emails we get from them would be over matters that were actually important to MODELS. We ask for higher percentage, we get a shiny new site. We ask for live customer service, we get silence, we ask for better paying traffic, we get contests and pushed to bring in our own traffic!

We have a lot more needs and wants, but what do we get? Oh, a contest passive aggressively warning us that the site will be running on low capacity and occasional suverys about shit we dont care about, like customer notes. LMAO. Really? Unless there's a way to block them after they leave, I don't give a damn. People in power will always gaslight and distract with shiny things to keep your mind off of what you want.

SM sees us as work ants. We're not their employees, and what we think comes last to their employees, stock holders, investors and whomever else. Why is it that we still don't have a personal live chat of our own? But yet clients do? So they're worried about those that bring money to the site, and who have power to take that away.

Why dont they see the value in us, then? They know that WE could simply not sign in as a group and the site would go to hell. But they know we wont do it because patriarchy tells them thay women dont put their foot down as much as they should. Our only value to them is what we make them. That's why we get 35% with no actual model focused bells and whistles.

Thays okay though, I treat SM like they treat me. Business only. I log on and make my coin whIle splitting with other sites so that my bottom line exceeds my own expectations. SM is good when it's good but I'm not down with someone pissing on me and calling it rain. Nah. They don't give a damn. And it's good because WE made the damn sale!

SM is just another platform. We all give up 70-65% for them to bring us guys, so let's not make it seem like they're doing soooo much for us. They do the same things that every other platform does except we get lower pay, and they just happened to get there first.

There's nothing magical about securing a marketing budget, paying for ad space, getting a adult payment processor, finding investors, hiring others to find clients for you, building multiple sites, and then throwing the product in one space so the client gets to shop. Brick and mortars do it every day.

Again, you are already paying them to do this for you and you can supplement your own income by doing the same damn thing and keep damn near 100% of YOUR money. You are the product!

We sit there come hell or high water, and we HUSTLE those sales ourselves. They're not guaranteed! We pay SM up to 70% just to pitch a sale to someone! And when we ask for shit it gets swept under the rug. I guarantee if models striked that percentage would go up, and the bells and whistles would be on that bitch, too!

Sorry for the vent and emotional vomiting but can anyone honestly compare what they've given to sm (up to 70%, our holidays, our time, our sales techniques, devotion, etc) to what they've given us that we don't already PAY for? I'll wait. I'm used to it with them.

Good points but many are not willing to do this for themselves. A lot of cammodels may say they want to get on top of self promotion but seem to hit a wall whenever things don't go smoothly or talk themselves out of wanting more. There has to be a true transformation before a person can shift their way of thinking. People who have made up their minds that they will be successful are doing just that. No matter if it's on SM or Skype its a mindset. Abandoning a site like SM there's no guarantee that going more independent is gonna bring you more success. Now there are always gonna be different levels to this and not everyone should be doing this job. Everything you said makes sense but I'm not sure people are willing to do what it takes to make a site like SM go from 35% to even 50%?

Patriarchy, you hit that one on the head. I suspect the reason we don't see more male models is due to those contracts and many not willing to give up that much of a percentage for so much work. Also most camsites don't see the value in male models. Granted not a lot of women would be interested in paying for camshows, but that gay$$$ is out there, however the people making decisions are too scared to go there, I think.

emma383
11-18-2016, 01:15 PM
PhatGirlDynomite!!! You forgot to mention...Boys cant fake their orgasm, that in itself is a problem-and if their straight-even harder to deal with this understanding of the traffic being from gay men.

kortneykay
11-18-2016, 01:48 PM
A couple of things here. I am not making the argument that they care about what the cam models want just that they do care about the glitches to the site and they are addressing them. I am making the argument that the glitches are something we all have to deal with but they do get fixed! Its temporary so they are putting people on it.

I agree with you that they are not making the site exactly as us cam models want it and honestly (as a business women) I can understand their position on this. At the end of the day if they dont see profit in making the changes we ask for they arent going to do it and as much as that sucks for us if they did do all those



No one is saying this is magical! Its Capital! Who has the capital to do all those things? If it was a brick and mortar you still need the capital so most people would go and borrow from the bank, that there is overhead. Then you have overhead to run and maintain the product. SO! When you say you get to keep "100% of your money" That is an enormous over statement. You get to keep 100% of the profit! After all is said and done your profit might come in some where higher then 35%. If your really good at what you do (not the camming side but the marketing side) then you might even get up to 50 or 60% profit but that is pretty rare. Remember SM does not get to keep 65 to 70% of the money made on the site! If you bring in a new client on your cammodels link you get an extra 30% That is because your getting an affiliate cut as well so they are paying us 30-35% and an affiliate is making 30% so they actually take in 35 to 40% and with that they run and maintain the site. Of course they make huge profit when its all said and done because they are good at what they do. That is what they are entitled to make and you would feel the same if you were in their position. If they didnt make huge profit then it wouldnt be worth it and again No Site!

I understand its frustrating. OMG I totally get the frustration! Look back at my post about glitches and you can see that I have been there just as much as everyone else but at the end of the day every glitch has been fixed and that means that they are doing their jobs and earning their money but in reality I run my own site and marketed myself for years and years so I really do understand what it takes and how much money you really get to keep as profit and I love that now I can make a tidy profit from all that self marketing by selling subscriptions and videos to clients BUT I can also make a huge profit on SM with small overhead and no one to boss me around. If the very worst I have to deal with is glitches I will take that any day over going back to trying to be a full time pornstar and I will die before I go back to being someones sales bitch or someones farmhand like I used to do when I was still in school!



DeepThoughts, I respect your font, but I've been saying that SM doesn't care about us for years (check my record, this post is a direct loop from other posts). I said what I said because of the survey. That's it. Because I'm tired of opening every single SM email which is only discussing updates, contests, and surveys. Never anything that WE personally asked for.

Also note I didn't bring up anything about your post, or glitches, (I personally rarely have any) so I'm not sure why you feel not only the need to argue your previous post with me, but give me Business 101 lessons? I've been in this business for a combination of 15 years. But thanks? If I was speaking up about what you said, I would've quoted you.


We're not asking them to make the site like we want. We're asking that they take into consideration that models give them up to 70% (no fucks given where it goes, it still isn't going to US) so we should have BASIC needs like live customer service (cams doesn't seem to have an issue providing it...hmmm) instead of preset messages emailed back to everyone and the unspoken 1st rule of contact to Liz. I haven't even spoken on glitches because I know like everyone else that when it's glitchy, they are working on the site.

The glitches aren't the main issue I'm having. It's the delivery. Instead of being honest, they throw up a contest begging US to bring OUR traffic. Yeah, we might make 70% or whatever from it, but like you said, "SO?!" So they want us to not only work in a safe environment, they want us to pay for the discomfort as well? Gotcha!

They will see profit in the changes we ask for. Happy models = a happy site. Always. After all, do the clients not have live 24/h service? Did they lose money with them? Don't think so. Why do they need one, and we don't? Studies have shown that people who are paid fairly not only show up to work, they're less likely willing to quit. Their concern is making their bottom line. Understandable in business. And they'd do just as well if not better if EVERYONE was happy. However, what will they do if no one showed up? They'd grapple.

Firstly, I'm not 'most people' and I don't believe in borrowing money to make money. I would never take out a loan. I'd simply hustle my ass off to get what I want (I have an LLC) until I've saved enough money to open a business. That's what I've done previously and it works. Nothing I said is an overstatement because I actually do make damn near (as I sated) 100% of the money I get from MY indy clients. I take cash, credit, and debit :) Also, it's impossible to keep all of your PROFIT. Most of us still pay taxes on that 35%.

No. SM isn't good at what they do, nor are they entitled to ANYTHING. Again, they got there first, and they pimped their platform. That's it. With that statement, I'm guessing you think Pimps are good at what they do as well? They're pimping out a platform. How far would that entitlement go if no one logged in? I'll wait. Let's not act like they've invented the point of sale, here. And no, I wouldn't 'do the same thing they do if I was in their position' because I actually care about MODELS. I'd give no less than 45-50%. A pimp doesn't care about his heux, he cares that they bring him his money. Period.

You haven't explained the Capitol that SM hands out regarding the contests? Where do you think that comes from since "WHAT CAPITOL?!" came from your fingertips. It comes from us!! But since you said "so" you don't obviously give a shit, and that's okay, too.

Let's do some math since you don't feel SM has the capitol. :) Each contest (Major US holidays + Random Pop up Contests like "Wild Wednesdays!" Note that Wild Wednesday and the Halloween contest were only 7 days apart :) I've listed the 1st contest for Halloween 2015, below. Collectively SM gave away $8,450 for the 1st contest in 2015.

Members will vote with their Gold; 1 Gold = 1 vote! The 100 participants who get the highest amount of successfully billed Gold that day will receive a prize:

1st place: $1000
2nd place: $800
3rd place: $600
4th place: $400
5th place: $200
6-20th place: $100
21-100th place: $50

So, calculating October's contest, the 1st prize of $1k-the smallest prize of $25 given to 99 winners comes out to around $14,250. Multiply that by 2 and you get $28,500 in 7 days of invisible capitol from SM. Also, take into consideration that August had 10 steammmyyy nights of low traffic :) so the contest was low in prizes, but SM still shelled out $3,185 in prize money. There was another POP UP contest June 16th, $14,250, and 4 days later, another pop up contest for another $14,250. :D

Hmmm I wonder where that money, I mean 'capitol', came from? I'll wait for you to tell me since you're the official spokes model for SM affairs.

SM doesn't give a single shit and that's okay because I knew that when I signed the contract. But I can also point out that instead of giving us a FEW things, instead we get updated reasons why a guy has left our chatroom. Because you know, that was SUPER necessary. Oh, and surveys on customer notes and contests 4 days apart that slow the site down that we have to bring clients to.

But sure, you can kiss their asses all you want for your 35% that you personally made. That's what you're entitled to, after all. Keep fighting for them, perhaps they'll send you a SM t-shirt or something some day to show their appreciation. I wouldn't bet on it, though. Update me when you have an answer to why SM has over $300k+ to give in prizes a year, but not enough for a simple live button on the model's end or a 10% raise. I'll be waiting.

And in the future if you're going to quote me, please have FACTS. You haven't explained where contest capitol comes from. You claim WHAT CAPITOL? But I know you know. For someone who doesn't have capitol, they sure are heavy handed with $30K a month contest giveaways, huh? $15k in prizes and 4-7 days another $15k. Gosh, liveops doesn't even cost $30k to install nor does it cost $30k a year to operate. :)

imelly21
11-18-2016, 02:17 PM
both of you Deep and Kortney have really good points, I enjoy reading your posts on this, just saying.

kortneykay
11-18-2016, 02:17 PM
Good points but many are not willing to do this for themselves. A lot of cammodels may say they want to get on top of self promotion but seem to hit a wall whenever things don't go smoothly or talk themselves out of wanting more. There has to be a true transformation before a person can shift their way of thinking. People who have made up their minds that they will be successful are doing just that. No matter if it's on SM or Skype its a mindset. Abandoning a site like SM there's no guarantee that going more independent is gonna bring you more success. Now there are always gonna be different levels to this and not everyone should be doing this job. Everything you said makes sense but I'm not sure people are willing to do what it takes to make a site like SM go from 35% to even 50%?

Patriarchy, you hit that one on the head. I suspect the reason we don't see more male models is due to those contracts and many not willing to give up that much of a percentage for so much work. Also most camsites don't see the value in male models. Granted not a lot of women would be interested in paying for camshows, but that gay$$$ is out there, however the people making decisions are too scared to go there, I think.

On the same page here, PGD. I aboslutely agree that leaving for indy isn't going to guarentee you anything. We write our checks be it SM or otherwise. But I'll be damned if I don't bitch that as successful as SM can be to a lot of models, it's still 35% of what you actually brought in, and you still need to set aside taxes. But hey, we signed that contract.

You're right, too many women depend on that site and sites like it so the strike I envision is probably not going to ever happen. We as women often suffer silently and most of us won't fuck with what little we have. This saddens me because I know we can negotiate a better contract for ourselves. Hell, we could get a law passed that independent contractors MUST make at least 50% of their total gross. But that's on some other shid.

I also agree with your last statement. The men and trans people on the site won't be able to carry it if women fell off, so SM would definitely lose money. I guarantee they'd negotiate. But like you said, most won't do it. And of course, I have options to leave if I don't like it. I'm just glad that SM is one egg, and not the end all be all.

sexysusie
11-18-2016, 02:33 PM
Why don't they raise the rate to 50% at least? I don't get why you're all talking about contests and live help etc when what you should really be demanding is more of your money. SM have absolutely no excuse whatsoever to pay so little, none. When they were advertising heavily and traffic was hopping I could understand it (not agree but understand), but now it's just a total piss take. They do it because they know models will take it.

KarinaGiselle
11-18-2016, 02:41 PM
THIS!

KatM
11-18-2016, 04:24 PM
Two facts i wanna mention here:

1. I remember exactly 1 year ago being heavily attacked and asked 'if i am ever satisfied' when i complained about SM contests & how they affect the medium earner non gold-show model type like myself and now after a year i see a different attitude of the person towards SM & their contests..... not looking for drama or to fight, just a reminder here.... i knew how things will turn out cause i too have a lot of camming experience behind my back and cammed on cam sites from when the 1st site came up on the market many years ago.

2. The discussion we had in another section of this forum with a 'site owner' was very relevant in understanding the mind set of a person who runs a cam site & how these people think of us the cam models, we are basically nothing to them.

My position here? I want this site to work so i can make my soo needed money cause i depend on SM income simply same like many others on that site, not all of us are capable, knowledgeable & have the resources to build our own business & they know this. Not kissing asses nor hating, i know they wont give us more money (i get only 30%) no matter how much we want this, all these were being explained in that thread & discussion i mentioned, it gave me nightmares to read how we models are looked at from that person's perspective.

I am not at all familiar with the things some of u ladies talk about business wise but i am a smart intelligent woman who can understand what is going on around me and i am often pretty right when i predict something, i knew gold shows were going to change the site for the worse by making the guys extremely cheap and the contests will be the cherry on the top for it, all these i knew they'll come; but i still need to work the site.

So yeah, hurry up with the transition SM cause the holidays are approaching and u need to prepare a contest there, right? :P NOT looking forward to it! The summer contests and horrible traffic affected my income a lot, just climbing back up now, let's see how things will work over the holidays & after.

Also, if it was not for this forum to read what people say in here & talk about all issues i dont know how i would manage these all, i really questioned myself lately, god bless this amazing community here!

drearea
11-18-2016, 04:26 PM
I always feel like an old lady when I talk about "back before gold shows"

It really was a better time :(

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-18-2016, 04:39 PM
Brand New Article posted "Thinking Like An Entrepreneur Vs An Employee" (https://boleynmodels.com/self-employment-101-thinking-like-an-entrepreneur-vs-an-employee/) I was going through the article and started thinking this is the exact same thing that people are debating right now in the SM thread. Its a very logical and well thought out piece on the different ways we can approach this business and what you want from it. Please take a look if you got the time.

kortneykay
11-18-2016, 05:06 PM
My guess is SM is just going to have to keep up with the times. To me, it doesn't make sense to keep an archaic payment model from what, 12 years ago? They seem to be keeping up with technology just fine with introducing things like GS. We're tap dancing a bit too much for no raises. But, alas, I am in the SM POSITIVE group, so I'll send some good LOA vibes to corporate and Liz.

Sally Says
11-19-2016, 09:33 AM
Sm also only gets 30 something % of many transactions don't forget, as affiliates get the other 30something.

Ideally they would cut out affiliates, split 50/50 with models and find their own traffic. But with Google-gate how easy that would be I don't know. Models should still get some kind of referral fee, maybe base contests around referrals?

That's my 'I actually know nothing about how running a site like this works' view anyway lol

KatM
11-19-2016, 09:39 AM
On big box sites like SM, we work WITH them or FOR them?!
Cause after i read the comments in that thread i mentioned above but cant quote in here, the message i got was "no matter how independent u cam models think you are, the person/ company who cuts the check/ makes the payment is still in charge and above you hierarchically, also sets the percent u going to be paid with from ur total sales", etc, there were many other things said in there; this is an universal thing with all cam sites that are not indie not just one site or another; this is also no news for me as i knew these already but is the 1st time i read it from the mouth of a site owner who was brutally honest.... thoughts?

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-19-2016, 10:06 AM
Sm also only gets 30 something % of many transactions don't forget, as affiliates get the other 30something.

Ideally they would cut out affiliates, split 50/50 with models and find their own traffic. But with Google-gate how easy that would be I don't know. Models should still get some kind of referral fee, maybe base contests around referrals?

That's my 'I actually know nothing about how running a site like this works' view anyway lol

What would be AMAZING is if SM would be willing to run a program that teaches cammodels how to use the cambuilder program. Teach models how to become their own affiliates instead of just that cammodels crap. This way more models would take pride in their own brand and target the sort of traffic that they want. A few other sites are doing this.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime




On big box sites like SM, we work WITH them or FOR them?!
Cause after i read the comments in that thread i mentioned above but cant quote in here, the message i got was "no matter how independent u cam models think you are, the person/ company who cuts the check/ makes the payment is still in charge and above you hierarchically, also sets the percent u going to be paid with from ur total sales", etc, there were many other things said in there; this is an universal thing with all cam sites that are not indie not just one site or another; this is also no news for me as i knew these already but is the 1st time i read it from the mouth of a site owner who was brutally honest.... thoughts?

Are you really talking about the Dr Clockwork guy? He's not a site owner. What he has is not a camsite. He is an affiliate. Not a bad word affiliate but thats what he is. And not a very good one. All that crap he was talking comes from his need to be in charge. All the models logged in are from a studio that provides models to make it look like your site is occupied. Don't fall for his bs. I would never listen to someones pimptalk and then believe it as though its the gospel.

KatM
11-19-2016, 10:51 AM
^^^ Yes. I know what u saying but technically he was right with some things, just technically & my question is, aren't all these cam sites doing the same? How is SM for example any different than that guy?! We need a Union ;)

sexysusie
11-19-2016, 10:54 AM
Unfortunately I don't think that'll ever happen. As i was searching for info on affiliate and whitelabel marketing I came across posts about crakrevenue no longer being able to offer mfc affilate program. Apparently mfc twigged that models were using it to top up their income and decided to pull it. They really don't want us benefiting from that side of things. Stupid really as all the new sites that are upcoming (Manyvids, modelcentro, indiebill etc) offer incentives for referrals and are actively working with us.

@Kat there are groups of models here and there who discuss things like this more formally. You should join XBIZ if you haven't already x

KatM
11-19-2016, 12:17 PM
Ty Susie xx, not sure if the Union thing could ever happen to unite us all over the internet but who knows? I personally am not important in adult business or even SM, only here in this forum i raised my voice & opened the SM Vent thread with the hope they'll read & listen if more of us talk about site issues, our needs & all but even myself i got tired at a point & slowed down cause i felt it's kinda useless to continue like a broken record.

What pisses me off the most is the cut i get & the discrimination they make as they pay some nationals less, also when some of the members complain about the fees thinking i am charging too much (which i am not it's just them being cheap) but also thinking we get to keep all that money, when i tell some of these guys i actually am getting only 30% they baffled & yes i do tell them sometimes, to good regs & repeats just to make them aware how little i am getting from the money they spend on me (also to motivate them to spend more on me ;).

Not later than last eve this cheap semireg visited my freechat waffling about me charging him 'a lot' last time we went excl, he made me sound like i was the greedy one, well i was bored & he pissed me off with his idiotic talk so i shown him his spending history telling him he is not a good spender anyway and 'look how much money i actually got from what u spent on me', he was very surprised saying 'oh i understand now, i was not aware the house is taking soo much bla bla' then he buggered off; at that point i did not even care to close a sale with the cheap idiot but i got pissed over my cut again. he is on my black list now & will be blocked directly next time he comes by. these guys come in my room and throw 1$ and think i am going to keep that dollar all to myself when i actually only get 30 cent from it bleah!

Never ever in my long cam career i saw a site increasing the models cut but lowering it so 'crying' over the issue is just waste of tears IMO but it still hurts to see the discrimination in my case.
(if anyone is unhappy with my post in here i move it to the SM vent thread no problem but i post in here cause we are on the subject now.)

emma383
11-19-2016, 12:33 PM
No Kat.. You and everyone else gives voice on SW to what is happening- So do not be discouraged and Thank you.

JaneBurgess
11-19-2016, 05:09 PM
I always feel like an old lady when I talk about "back before gold shows"

It really was a better time :(

Ha me too and yes, it was a way better time

abbey20
11-19-2016, 08:14 PM
Hey girls i need some help... I have Zero trafic i don't know why, I started months ago in streamate i was just online twice or so i had very little trafic that's why i left, now i''m back again and my trafic is ZERO I don't know what to do...

Cutie101
11-19-2016, 08:20 PM
Hey girls i need some help... I have Zero trafic i don't know why, I started months ago in streamate i was just online twice or so i had very little trafic that's why i left, now i''m back again and my trafic is ZERO I don't know what to do...

You have 0 traffic because other girls have been online and built time online and regulars. And of course, you were moved lower. It's normal.
Stay online at least 6 hours per day/ 6 days per week with a fixed schedlue and you will see an increase of traffic in no time!

abbey20
11-19-2016, 08:28 PM
You have 0 traffic because other girls have been online and built time online and regulars. And of course, you were moved lower. It's normal.
Stay online at least 6 hours per day/ 6 days per week with a fixed schedlue and you will see an increase of traffic in no time!

soo its normal.. thanks for the answer

pixiepower329
11-19-2016, 09:09 PM
Its normal when you don't put any effort in for months and months, yes. You have to build up your placement.. it isn't just handed to you for showing up for a couple hours.

I took several months off.. I had to deal with several days where I didn't even average 10/hr before my traffic built back up to an acceptable level.

Glamourmilf
11-20-2016, 10:04 AM
I always feel like an old lady when I talk about "back before gold shows"

It really was a better time :(

Same here.:'(
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thatgingercamgirl
11-21-2016, 02:20 PM
Hey, I have some questions for those of you who get paid via paxum or payoneer - do you prefer one over the other, and what day does your payment usually hit your card? Thanks in advance!

sweetgapeach
11-21-2016, 06:44 PM
HA HA HA darn contest again. smdh. Holidays used to be the bizness....

sweetgapeach
11-21-2016, 06:46 PM
^^^Just in case some ppl may not know....in most jobs in the country you get DOUBLE time for holiday/overtime pay. RAISE THOSE RATES ladies.....

JaneBurgess
11-21-2016, 08:05 PM
I dont get why SM is having a three day contest when their site has so many issues. Do they not read these forums? The money would be better spent fixing the site.

Blovely
11-21-2016, 08:43 PM
I'm glad I no longer give any fucks about their contests. Will just be a regular work week for me. In fact let me go login so I can delete the message. I don't need their fuckery clogging up my inbox. Another day another $.

LacieBby
11-22-2016, 09:31 PM
Hey ladies! New here.
Could someone please explain to me the difference between premium/private & Exclusive? My Premium is $3.99 per/min, and Exc is $4.99 per/min.
And can guys turn on their own cams? And if so, how often do they normally do that? I feel i'd be awk trying to actually talk to them & hear their voice.
Thanks!

christylive
11-23-2016, 12:25 AM
The only traffic tonight seems to be the techs working on the site. Not even tumbleweeds, pandhandlers or a mouse in sight. Oh, and a model logged in and wanted to know if I was having a good or slow night.... good times

CocoaBunni
11-23-2016, 12:40 AM
The only traffic tonight seems to be the techs working on the site. Not even tumbleweeds, pandhandlers or a mouse in sight. Oh, and a model logged in and wanted to know if I was having a good or slow night.... good times

Trueeee....I'm debating if I should log off and try other sites since I use SM's broadcaster .....

LacieBby
11-23-2016, 10:32 AM
Thank you so much for the quick reply! You've explained everything perfectly.
One last question, do you think my rates are a wee bit high? I think i'm a decently attractive girl and I don't see why i'd have an issue with those rates- I just don't know how high other model's rates are.
And if it's my very first stream, is there anyway that the viewers are going to know that without telling them? Do new streamers even get good traffic? Pretty anxious...but excited.

selerah
11-23-2016, 11:35 AM
Your rates aren't too high. That's around where I had mine set for a while, then I had it pointed out to me that I shouldn't be hesitant to raise prices, because men are willing to pay. Its your body, so ultimately you determine how much you want to work for. I have mine set at 5.99/pvt 6.99/exc and I've been doing really well there.