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KatyBoleyn
03-22-2018, 08:36 PM
Its the same thing that picks and chooses your Netflix or Hulu shows for you. You can still access everything by category, it just slowly edges certain things to the top based on stuff you like to watch.
The site will obviously have a default order, but that will quickly change based on which rooms the customers jump into and stay in.
Based on our own research though, I'm not 100% this is the best approach. We've noticed that about half the customers don't have a "type" at all, and will easily drop money on wildly different models...hopping easily from a college co-ed, to a trans model, to an ebony BBW, to a lesbian couple and spending about the same on each (in one verified extreme example). Maybe customers that aren't pigeon-holed will continue to receive random suggestions if their "type" is "no particular type".
What this will do is further increase the need for encoder + high def cam + ethernet (wired) connection. "Low quality" broadcasts will continue to be shoved to the bottom, especially if customers don't prefer that.
Erika_Xstacy
03-22-2018, 09:07 PM
I don't think that is how it works. It isn't the customer's choice, just the site's algorithm.
I was told by noone official that it would be a option when first prompted to choose likings bc there are guys that have no pref or no clue what like and then it would do its thing from there which is prob make suggestions.
IMO, Same thing the site does now but the customer can now choose if he never wants to see a BBW again in his life before he continues.
kamiliam
03-22-2018, 09:16 PM
I haven't seen it on my customer profile, maybe they are phasing it in.
I think like all the other things they don't clue us in on this has been around for awhile, and is the source of most of the weird placement issues we have seen. may have been the testing process but a still apart of it. hopefully it is more refined now and could be beneficial but I am 50/50 on that.
Marina Starr
03-23-2018, 06:34 AM
I just got a $400 tip but it didn't show up in private or hear any beautiful sound! Didn't even know until I checked my earning. I like this glitch... Love generous gentlemen. Thank you!
http://i64.tinypic.com/2zitsnk.jpg
DeepThoughts
03-23-2018, 08:44 AM
^^ did you get an email? might have been after the show.
kortneykay
03-23-2018, 10:33 AM
That doesnt sound good at all. How exactly are they going to detetmine who's most likely to enter a camroom? Based on viewing history? What sort of demographics will they use? Some of these guys bounce all over the place but if they start tinkering with placement based on that, then it could create a sort of bubble where men with hardons will have to apply even more brain cells to get out of it.
Its like social media "caters" the experience based on collected data and will only show you what they think you want or should want.
Exactly what I was thinking. They might get a questionaire, lol. "What's your fav ethnicity to fap to?"
kortneykay
03-23-2018, 10:38 AM
I haven't seen it on my customer profile, maybe they are phasing it in.
I think like all the other things they don't clue us in on this has been around for awhile, and is the source of most of the weird placement issues we have seen. may have been the testing process but a still apart of it. hopefully it is more refined now and could be beneficial but I am 50/50 on that.
Right, because I noticed the blog link was written back in November so they've been doing it, they just now decided to tell us last, as always. We're still waiting for the bells and whistles we actually want.
AuroraJade
03-23-2018, 11:12 AM
I just got a $400 tip but it didn't show up in private or hear any beautiful sound! Didn't even know until I checked my earning. I like this glitch... Love generous gentlemen. Thank you!
http://i64.tinypic.com/2zitsnk.jpg
Customers can give a tip after the show to thank you. Those only show up in your messages!
Marina Starr
03-23-2018, 12:00 PM
I finally got the email. Thanks, Queen
^^ did you get an email? might have been after the show.
Marina Starr
03-23-2018, 12:02 PM
Thanks! I just learned something.
Customers can give a tip after the show to thank you. Those only show up in your messages!
olgivy
03-23-2018, 12:53 PM
hi everyone, newbie question. what percentage payout do you get with sm?
Marina Starr
03-23-2018, 12:56 PM
35% but could be less if you're in a studio, on daily pay or from other countries.
hi everyone, newbie question. what percentage payout do you get with sm?
Erika_Xstacy
03-23-2018, 02:15 PM
i just got a $400 tip but it didn't show up in private or hear any beautiful sound! Didn't even know until i checked my earning. I like this glitch... Love generous gentlemen. Thank you!
http://i64.tinypic.com/2zitsnk.jpg
fucking awesome!:D
BadBitch
03-23-2018, 03:35 PM
I hate the new placement! I went from being top model to the middle of the page. I fucking earned my spot - working my fucking ass off to get to where I was.
^^^ I know right? My placement dropped too severely and i was wondering why cause i made the same money and have the same amount of hrs worked (even more hrs).
As they worded it in the last email it looks like our guys will find us anyway..... placement is not static anymore so i will not stress about it here, dont know how it really works but whatever...
laurielegs
03-23-2018, 07:38 PM
I hate the new placement! I went from being top model to the middle of the page. I fucking earned my spot - working my fucking ass off to get to where I was.
Maybe you are still at the top of the page for those who are your regulars though? Has it affected your income?
^^^ I know right? My placement dropped too severely and i was wondering why cause i made the same money and have the same amount of hrs worked (even more hrs).
As they worded it in the last email it looks like our guys will find us anyway..... placement is not static anymore so i will not stress about it here, dont know how it really works but whatever...
I haven't noticed a change yet either.
Wondering long-term how this will work and if it will help or hurt most of us.
Sunnylexie
03-23-2018, 08:30 PM
From the update email, THIS stands out the most.
Announcing Smarter Placement
We're excited to announce an update to Streamate members' front pages! When a member logs on, they now see a unique list of performers based on their preferences and habits. This means your placement is no longer simply "high" or "low"—it's different for each member. You'll show up near the top of the page for members who are a good match, automatically pairing you with the viewers who are likely to enter your room and spend!
Our goal is to deliver relevant and high-quality results to all of our members, so your video quality, ratings, and consistency are still important factors that will help you stand out. You can read more details on the updated Placement help page, along with our best tips for being seen on as many members' lists as possible!
*ponders in camgirl*
Isn't this fucking great. Now I'm getting cut off all the guys who may like me just because of my face or personality (who've been making most of my income lately) and getting limited to a pretty niche market for petite brunettes over 25 years old with small boobs and body hair. A ton less traffic for the same 65% (like my traffic could get any worse). Thanks for nothing, SM.
anonamiss
03-23-2018, 09:13 PM
in terms of the new placement policy, i guess what i'm most curious about is how we're getting defined in this pre-determined algorithmic way. like, i'm small tits with a certain hair and skin color and various kinks... but i honestly don't think that has much to do with the reason why guys end up spending time and money in my room. it's way more to do with with my personality and comedic effect. and those aren't factors that are easily defined in an algorithm. lots of guys end up spending in my room after telling me that i'm not their usual type.
i also have an academic background in sociology, so demographic data is of interest to me... which makes me curious what "preferences and habits" and being "a good match" actually means in this context.
i think ultimately this is a stupid idea in regards to "matching" customers with models they might actually be into.
kamiliam
03-23-2018, 09:18 PM
I talked to a few friends who work with these type of systems, and they all believe this should work in our favor. They most likely hired actual consultants to set this up and are not the same it/support we deal with. These guys command around $300-400 per hour and do know what they are doing, basically every viewer's every move is calculated and should lead to more revenue. (time of day, length spent in free and paid, repeat visits etc) They probably spent a lot on this so they want it to work. I have a feeling SM wants to be the top tech cam site, look at where they are based; they network with all these other companies that use the same type of machine learning for ads and clicks. My tech friends were impressed that they were taking something like this on. I also don't think the customers will have any idea this is going on, self reporting is often different from habits.
kortneykay
03-23-2018, 09:59 PM
Maybe it's not so bad. It's just heavy monitoring mixed in with ad and marketing. Like when we get site cookies/spyware that monitors our moves so that they can get in on the pizza ad $ they plan to show you on the next page. How curious after you just searched "how to make homemade pizza". It's the same with the guys.
SM is and has been monitoring their search keywords as well as taking advantage of time stamps, and cash spent and with WHOM. They know their site went to shit for a lot of people vs years prior so they're going to do what they can to keep this cash cow. It's clear they've figured out how to give our clients exactly what they want. Judging by the camming rocks section, SM seems to be heading in the right direction. This might be our answer in more $$$.
They have all the data because they have the model, the site, and the client and how they got him. Consistency is what works so I'm thinking. If Customer A has been on the site for 3 years, logs on Fri-Sun, and spends around $100-150 and specifically has a 'type' SM is picking up on this.
His type is thin, petite, young, blondes and his earnings connect to the type of model he likes. He spends more on the blondes than his other interests. SM would then crowd his first few rows with petite young blondes, followed after his 2nd favs, lesbian couples. The girl with the higher ranking will be in the 1st rows, but all blondes and lesbian couples get a chance followed by everyone else based on rank. They mentioned there not being a "high" vs "low" but I wonder if they're really going to up up the competition with more contests.
DeepThoughts
03-24-2018, 01:10 AM
I hate the new placement! I went from being top model to the middle of the page. I fucking earned my spot - working my fucking ass off to get to where I was.
How are you determining where your "spot" is??? Cause what you are seeing is not what your clients are seeing. Also not what potential new clients of yours are seeing. Your showing as top row for lots of guys if you fit their profile so just stay calm.
This should work out better for you. If working your ass off means your on line often then this new algorithm should put you in the path of lots of new clients and it will not make you invisible to those who are already spending.
Stop going and looking at your placement for a few weeks and use that little link called "earnings" to determine if this new algorithm is working or not.
Sunnylexie
03-24-2018, 01:18 AM
They have all the data because they have the model, the site, and the client and how they got him. Consistency is what works so I'm thinking. If Customer A has been on the site for 3 years, logs on Fri-Sun, and spends around $100-150 and specifically has a 'type' SM is picking up on this.
His type is thin, petite, young, blondes and his earnings connect to the type of model he likes. He spends more on the blondes than his other interests. SM would then crowd his first few rows with petite young blondes, followed after his 2nd favs, lesbian couples. The girl with the higher ranking will be in the 1st rows, but all blondes and lesbian couples get a chance followed by everyone else based on rank. They mentioned there not being a "high" vs "low" but I wonder if they're really going to up up the competition with more contests.
This is exactly what the problem is. I've been making most of my money from guys who aren't into me as a type as much as me as a personality. They got to my room by pure accident because I was on the first page and caught their eye, and stayed for gaming talk or something else that attracted them about me as a person. Now I'm gonna be less likely to get new customers this way; and I'm not sure there will be enough niche customers to compensate for it, even with a targeted advertising campaign.
kamiliam
03-24-2018, 01:35 AM
This is exactly what the problem is. I've been making most of my money from guys who aren't into me as a type as much as me as a personality. They got to my room by pure accident because I was on the first page and caught their eye, and stayed for gaming talk or something else that attracted them about me as a person. Now I'm gonna be less likely to get new customers this way; and I'm not sure there will be enough niche customers to compensate for it, even with a targeted advertising campaign.
Bbut those guys who stumble on you are bound to stumble on other models, meaning that would equate into the system. They diverge from their type. If you are on 1st page you most likely will still be. These guys are used to searching for us. Hell for most of them the 1st page is filled with their favorites anyway, they already are finding us with their hard ons.
DeepThoughts
03-24-2018, 03:11 AM
Bbut those guys who stumble on you are bound to stumble on other models, meaning that would equate into the system. They diverge from their type. If you are on 1st page you most likely will still be. These guys are used to searching for us. Hell for most of them the 1st page is filled with their favorites anyway, they already are finding us with their hard ons.
Also SM using the verbiage "preference and habits" So this would imply that the algorithm is not set just to appearances. Ie, blonde, petite. But also to things like Gaming, deepthroat, funny, language, kinky etc etc. Im thinking in terms of key words here.
Perhaps it is important to have a look over our Profiles, Kinky Attributes and Categories and make sure we are using all the "keywords" (the ones a search or algorithm would be looking for) that apply to us! This make sure we are popping up for those clients who have showed an interest in those things. Additionally start asking your current clients to tag you with keywords that you want to have because those tags are a great way to get extra keywords you might want!
kortneykay
03-24-2018, 12:42 PM
^^^Deep and Kam are right on. We still have the 'suggested models' on the side bar and plenty of guys still use the good ole search feature and select "all models" or whatever. New guys joining the site don't have favs or a preference until the site picks up on it so new clients will still find us.
So just to show somewhat of an example I believe I'll place myself as a guineapig. I haven't streamed since the week before Christmas and veryyy few times before then in 2017. All my checks were from my CM link earnings. Last night I jumped on with a new look and stayed on a little over an hour and a half and made:
http://i63.tinypic.com/2ef6blx.jpg
http://i64.tinypic.com/2v3mvtg.jpg
The first 2 min some new guy I'd never met tipped big and took me straight to pvt. The other shows were from 2 regs because of the site disconnecting.
So I think if me, someone who's passively hustled SM the past 1.5 yrs, specifically 3 months since can hop on and make almost $100 in less than 2 hours, this thing is probably working. Also to mention, I had default 4 stars, and couldn't find myself at ALL and had more new guys pop in than regs.
I'll put in more work and see how it goes and report back later.
naomi_doll
03-24-2018, 05:49 PM
I also like the new algorithm. I finally ended my new model status but still have great traffic. I also think if you want to place high for the guys you want to do shows for you should make your profile full of keywords for the types of shows you do (and the type of personality you are) and get nice regs to tag you with keywords too. :)
Erika_Xstacy
03-24-2018, 10:43 PM
"We have a few big updates planned for later this year, and a few features are almost ready for early testing. Turn this option on if you're curious to see what we're up to!"
I wonder what these "big updates" are that SM is planning, does anyone know? I hope it's changes we actually like, like less lag and things like that.
continue to update, that is all that means. They want models that are willing to test new features.
heyho
03-25-2018, 11:10 AM
^What I would like is a big countdown for block shows. Like the goldshow timer. So I can portion out my show accordingly, rather than making the customer cum too quick then having him feel like he wasted more money going block. Also because I'm too far away to read the dumb little grey boxes and always get surprised that I'm actually in a block show and not a regular exclusive, lol
Erika_Xstacy
03-25-2018, 06:38 PM
^What I would like is a big countdown for block shows. Like the goldshow timer. So I can portion out my show accordingly, rather than making the customer cum too quick then having him feel like he wasted more money going block. Also because I'm too far away to read the dumb little grey boxes and always get surprised that I'm actually in a block show and not a regular exclusive, lol
lol all this
plus
my dream is to make the gold show countdown box movable. That shit drives me insane :D
Also, I want to see in my daily report the stars that each customer rated just like we see the mins, $ and time.
Can I request SM puts a rating box alongside?
:D
I think our request are simple.
JackAlexander
03-25-2018, 09:53 PM
^What I would like is a big countdown for block shows. Like the goldshow timer. So I can portion out my show accordingly, rather than making the customer cum too quick then having him feel like he wasted more money going block. Also because I'm too far away to read the dumb little grey boxes and always get surprised that I'm actually in a block show and not a regular exclusive, lol
I have used this for years, every time i go into a show I click it and see how long the session has been. SOOO helpful even when not in a block. You can resize and move it all around.
Egg Timer Plus
http://download.cnet.com/Egg-Timer-Plus/3000-2350_4-10073665.html
Girly_Girl
03-26-2018, 07:37 AM
anyone know why I am not showing up as online from mobile??? I can find myself if I look from my computer but for some reason, I am not showing up on mobile AT ALL:(( WTH is going on???
Kayden
03-27-2018, 02:04 AM
I wonder how webmasters from "3rd world countries" validate their links...? I think this post is gonna be unintelligible unless I break it up into points or something lol
1) from my country (ex-commie, EE) only the thumbnail pages are visible, you can't view freechats or offline profiles
2) I think cammodels is a bit of a ripoff (not that bad but still...) cammodels u get 70% of ur referral's spend in your room and 20% in others', with moneytree it should be 65% (assuming ur getting 35%) in your room and 30%(!) in others (if u ask me the "others" part is the most important)
3) I ask something to moneytree support and he also sends me examples of what my links should be like - streamate/myniche/refid=123 and streamate/modelname/refid=123
4) I pull up some free proxy in google and try the 2nd link with my modelname and it gives a bare 404 "page not found"! Then I tried the link with the niche/category specified and it actually landed on that page. I'm pretty sure landing on a 404 does not promote conversions, lol! But I'm not even sure how to check it. At this point it seems I can't use the url with my modelname.
BadBitch
03-27-2018, 05:56 PM
^What I would like is a big countdown for block shows. Like the goldshow timer. So I can portion out my show accordingly, rather than making the customer cum too quick then having him feel like he wasted more money going block. Also because I'm too far away to read the dumb little grey boxes and always get surprised that I'm actually in a block show and not a regular exclusive, lol
I automatically look at the clock on my computer when I accept a block. Then I'll know when it should end. Plus, we get the 5 and 1 minute warning.
Ginnyyy
03-27-2018, 10:17 PM
I'm pretty sure landing on a 404 does not promote conversions, lol! But I'm not even sure how to check it. At this point it seems I can't use the url with my modelname.
You can still use your cam model link but for Tier 1,2 and some Tier3 countries :) The big $$$ come from Tier1&2 anyway.
Also, lots of Streamate webmasters here in my country and Streamate is blocked here too, though the webmasters still promote it targetting other big countries.
minniesoporno
03-28-2018, 09:45 AM
Been using my stopwatch on my phone to track my time online. and when I get shows. I have more then one phone. been interesting last week did a show for 46 minutes. it would have went on longer if I didn't get a leg cramp.
It would be nice to have the site tell me hey traffic is slow for you, log back in at this time. instead of just being on hoping I will get shows.
When I was briefly on the voyeur sites, they were able to tell me EXACTLY what hour of the day my room was the most busiest. A total 12 hour block of how busy my room would be. I am pretty sure these cam sites know that for us but are not telling us.
instead they give us vague things like broadcast a minimum of 25 to 90 hours in a month sometimes in a week.
Halo88
03-28-2018, 04:55 PM
I have used this for years, every time i go into a show I click it and see how long the session has been. SOOO helpful even when not in a block. You can resize and move it all around.
Egg Timer Plus
Windows 10 also has a timer built in. It is in the alarm clock feature.
kortneykay
03-30-2018, 04:12 PM
I just count down in my head and sit there until that time is up. Then I get up, lol. Haven't had a peeper in a good 3 yrs.
Kayden
04-06-2018, 02:36 PM
You can still use your cam model link but for Tier 1,2 and some Tier3 countries :) The big $$$ come from Tier1&2 anyway.
Also, lots of Streamate webmasters here in my country and Streamate is blocked here too, though the webmasters still promote it targetting other big countries.
Undoubtedly tier 1/2 (or whatever they call them lol) is where most money comes from
I was just really perplexed that a link that mtree's support sent me lead to a 404
Now I actually took the time to generate the same link in mtree's admin and I noticed one difference
what support sent me (lands on 404): ...modelname/&?AFNO=123...
generated link (actually works): ...modelname/?AFNO=123...
Kayden
04-06-2018, 02:55 PM
Does anyone know where to look for the recordings if you tick "DVR record" (or something along those lines...) box in FMLE?
Erika_Xstacy
04-07-2018, 08:13 PM
Does anyone know where to look for the recordings if you tick "DVR record" (or something along those lines...) box in FMLE?
smb shows where you have the recordings "save location"
Same for adobe encoder
same for Obs
*Lynn*
04-07-2018, 10:45 PM
The new algorithms and placements started a while ago? I noticed last week and this week I have had consistent visitors in my room. Last few months its been so up and down. Sit there for almost and hour and not even guests in guest chat. Then a really good week. Then back to nothing.
Not sure if it is the new placement. Whatever it is, I am happy because even if its slow at least I'm not hearing crickets and I can engage/entice isntead of sitting alone in guest chat :-)
Glamourmilf
04-13-2018, 07:32 AM
For those that get checks, I just discovered that the USPS website will email you when you have mail.
They probably have been doing this for a while, but it's news to me, so I'm passing it on.
They even scan photos of your mail. How cool is that?
So awesome! It will save me the guessing game as to what time my mail gets to me.
This is the second place I've lived where mail doesn't get delivered until 7 or 8 at night.
DeepThoughts
04-13-2018, 09:10 AM
^^ Yea KK was saying this in the " FCP is closing thread"
Smurfette
04-13-2018, 05:33 PM
When do we get our bonuses for the last contest? I qualified for the $50 bonus but I still don't see it in my earnings report.
Scorpio Girl
04-13-2018, 09:22 PM
For those that get checks, I just discovered that the USPS website will email you when you have mail.
They probably have been doing this for a while, but it's news to me, so I'm passing it on.
They even scan photos of your mail. How cool is that?
So awesome! It will save me the guessing game as to what time my mail gets to me.
This is the second place I've lived where mail doesn't get delivered until 7 or 8 at night.
You get the email with the scanned mail in the morning before they go out on delivery. It doesn't actually tell you when it is delivered to your mailbox.
Glamourmilf
04-14-2018, 04:47 AM
You get the email with the scanned mail in the morning before they go out on delivery. It doesn't actually tell you when it is delivered to your mailbox.
Right. I just meant, in my case, that for my SM check, I won't have to wonder if it's coming on Monday. * Because going outside to the street where my mailbox is, is always a Russian roulette game of, " Is THIS the night I get jumped when I get my mail? ( Sketchy neighborhood).
I usually just check my mail on Monday and Saturday, because I purposely don't get much mail.
I have used a po box, which was great. But if I can't get there because of car problems,etc...
You know what I mean.
kamiliam
04-14-2018, 06:31 PM
heads up for anyone who gets checks. I didn't receive mine today like I normally do. They most likely are delayed because of everything going on.
Scorpio Girl
04-14-2018, 08:42 PM
Right. I just meant, in my case, that for my SM check, I won't have to wonder if it's coming on Monday. * Because going outside to the street where my mailbox is, is always a Russian roulette game of, " Is THIS the night I get jumped when I get my mail? ( Sketchy neighborhood).
I usually just check my mail on Monday and Saturday, because I purposely don't get much mail.
I have used a po box, which was great. But if I can't get there because of car problems,etc...
You know what I mean.
Oh, yeah, it is great for that. I only pick my mail up on check day too. Just didn't want you to think it was a real time email.
BuffyFlame
04-15-2018, 05:17 AM
Under payment details on Streamate, "Date Issued" on the check payment is the day its mailed?
I know it sounds like a relatively simple question, but ive never gotten a single check from Streamate so im going thru a relearning/readjusting process.
I wasn't expecting a check mailed until next week as I didn't switch it until early Wednesday morning (Around 1 AM).
Im getting it via Fedex (Bills due).
Honestly, im rather impressed if it is indeed already mailed.
Payoneer comes Friday, and if its mailed ied probably get it no later then Wednesday, which is only a 5 day delay compared to the 2 week delay I was financially prepared for.
Lets see how my bank handles cashing, or depositing a random ass check for totally different amounts every week.
Honestly, Ive been wanting to joining up my husbands income and mine for awhile instead of keeping it separate.
This might be a push I needed.
kortneykay
04-15-2018, 11:29 AM
Oh, yeah, it is great for that. I only pick my mail up on check day too. Just didn't want you to think it was a real time email.
Actually, they do with packages. If you click on the packages tab, it tells you in real time if it was delivered or not. Of course, that's expected of packages, though.