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KatM
05-10-2020, 03:42 PM
The other day i noticed something regarding the sound feature on SM: if u plug in headphones to listen to something while u stream on SM with the webstreamer on SM Connect the sound goes off for the room.
I was listening to some things in my native language with the earphones on and some people said my sound is off, i had no idea of this bug but then when checking on my own room i noticed the thing, headphones on-> no sound, headphones off-> sound was On again; if u plug in earphones or some other device just make sure it's not cutting off on ur sound, just a heads up here xx

euro_princess
05-10-2020, 05:59 PM
^I don’t think is necessarily a bug. When you give SM access to your equipment, most of the time you select your webcam microphone or your computer microphone. If those headphones have a microphone also, that you never granted access to (cause you’re online at that time) then yeah, your sound will be off. Hope it makes sense.

KatM
05-10-2020, 06:03 PM
^^^ Yes, it makes sense, the headphones have a mic too, did not come to my mind that could be the cause, mystery solved, ty princess xx!

SchwarzeSonne
05-11-2020, 04:52 AM
Hi everyone!
Has anyone tried to ask SM for payments without 3 weeks hold? I do know they have that option but looks like requirements are umm really tough. Like... you must be a model with almost zero chargebacks, have a nice amount per hour and so on. A friend of mine just got a rude answer with recommendation to work better, so...
Tbh SM support is something...interesting nowadays. They always blame YOU for THEIR bugs and issues.
Well, thanks for reading and answering :D

DahliaSimone
05-12-2020, 03:06 PM
Ugh, another contest. At least its a two day but....on Friday and Saturday? Cmon SM....why you gotta fuck my weekend up? Make your stupid 2 day contests on a Wed and Thursday that already suck lol.

SuperPookie
05-12-2020, 03:45 PM
Another frigging contest! I'm already averaging under $4 an hour why not make it $2? Thank goodness for other sites.

AcidYellow
05-12-2020, 04:25 PM
I thought was only me... past month was greaaat, this one? Barely some traffic in my room. Whatever..

fawnresponse
05-12-2020, 11:54 PM
Glad I'm not the only one! Today was HORRIFYING omg. I literally only made any money because I had a regular get a block session. Otherwise I'd have made like $10. >:(

DeepThoughts
05-13-2020, 08:52 AM
Hi everyone!
Has anyone tried to ask SM for payments without 3 weeks hold? I do know they have that option but looks like requirements are umm really tough. Like... you must be a model with almost zero chargebacks, have a nice amount per hour and so on. A friend of mine just got a rude answer with recommendation to work better, so...
Tbh SM support is something...interesting nowadays. They always blame YOU for THEIR bugs and issues.
Well, thanks for reading and answering :D

First of all all contracts are negotiable. You could ask SM to remove the 3 week hold but you should have done that before ever streaming live and you would need to have a good reason as to why you deserve that. That hold is there to protect them from models that would scam them and its only for the first 3 weeks. After that you are paid every week for the amount you earned the week before. Are you asking for your self or your friend that received the rude response? Secondly I have never heard that SM requires you to have almost zero charge backs. SM covers all charge backs for you and you dont even know if you have been charge backed or not. As far a a "nice amount per hour" what does that even mean? What was your friend emailing them to have done? Its seems that you are saying that she is having her cheques put on hold for 3 weeks indefinitely and when she asked to have them sooner they gave her this "rude" email. I would suggest that your friend did not sign up to SM directly but has signed up with a studio and they are the ones that as holding her money and responding to her emails. SM has always been above board with us on everything especially regarding chargebacks and issuing cheques so I find it hard to believe they would be doing this.

h0ttie
05-13-2020, 09:18 AM
did sm remove the option to record our privates? or is it just not showing up for me for some reason

WetWifeyNoelle
05-13-2020, 09:20 AM
Are you using sm connect? Because I still have the option .

h0ttie
05-13-2020, 09:34 AM
Are you using sm connect? Because I still have the option .

yes, im using smconnect.
but thanks. for some reason the option disappeared for me. ill ask support

KatM
05-13-2020, 02:28 PM
Now we have to tick 5 boxes when starting a session, it says about Code of conduct and related stuff, they split the information into new paragraphs and added stuff. Interesting.

euro_princess
05-13-2020, 02:32 PM
First of all all contracts are negotiable. You could ask SM to remove the 3 week hold but you should have done that before ever streaming live and you would need to have a good reason as to why you deserve that. That hold is there to protect them from models that would scam them and its only for the first 3 weeks. After that you are paid every week for the amount you earned the week before. Are you asking for your self or your friend that received the rude response? Secondly I have never heard that SM requires you to have almost zero charge backs. SM covers all charge backs for you and you dont even know if you have been charge backed or not. As far a a "nice amount per hour" what does that even mean? What was your friend emailing them to have done? Its seems that you are saying that she is having her cheques put on hold for 3 weeks indefinitely and when she asked to have them sooner they gave her this "rude" email. I would suggest that your friend did not sign up to SM directly but has signed up with a studio and they are the ones that as holding her money and responding to her emails. SM has always been above board with us on everything especially regarding chargebacks and issuing cheques so I find it hard to believe they would be doing this.


Unfortunately those things don’t apply to second tier models (models that receive 30% instead of 35%, Eastern Europe, Latin America, Asia, Africa). SM pays weekly only “westerns”, those that receive 35%.
So yeah, if she’s on the second tier commission, SM will require a lot of absurd rules for her to be moved to bimonthly or weekly payment. It sucks, but SM has always been xenophobic, covering his unfair ass with the “fraud” excuse, as if thousands and thousands of models that are not “westerns” only scam the website.

My only advice for her would be to keep on asking every couple of months and transfer to a daily studio (Boleyn for example).

kamiliam
05-13-2020, 03:05 PM
Now we have to tick 5 boxes when starting a session, it says about Code of conduct and related stuff, they split the information into new paragraphs and added stuff. Interesting.

Personally I think it is a good thing. The ladies I have seen violating the rules seem to be (FOR THE MOST PART) very new and clueless. I don't see the harm in reminding us.

innocentindian
05-13-2020, 03:21 PM
Now we have to tick 5 boxes when starting a session, it says about Code of conduct and related stuff, they split the information into new paragraphs and added stuff. Interesting.

Pretty soon they're gonna make us read the whole TOS and sign before every stream!

I wish they had one for guys entering model's room as well: I promise not to beg for free stuff, I won't share or ask for off-site contact information, etc.

MirandaGray
05-13-2020, 07:00 PM
sorry the quotation did not work properly for me so i just copied/pasted what i would like to answer:

"I would suggest that your friend did not sign up to SM directly but has signed up with a studio and they are the ones that as holding her money and responding to her emails. SM has always been above board with us on everything especially regarding chargebacks and issuing cheques so I find it hard to believe they would be doing this"


Hello,

I am not a friend of the person who wrote this post but I had a similar situation.

At the Russian Summit one year ago Lazlo Czero mentioned that If performers meet certain requirements, then they can have payments without the 21 days delay.So I asked to check my account ( i'm an individual model who has been working on Streamate for 10 years with a high hour income). I live in Australia and receive 35% of my earning as well.

It took around a week to have an answer back from a certain account manager:

"I managed to get an answer back in regards of no delay payments from the finance department and they have communicated that the charge back rate on your account is big to be able to give you payments with no delay.

The charge back rate will have to be lowered to almost 0 to be able to pay you with no delay. Usually customers ask for their money back when they are not satisfied with the service they obtained, so this a be something to focus on. To make sure that your customers are satisfied and you understand what are their needs."

MirandaGray
05-13-2020, 07:25 PM
Now we have to tick 5 boxes when starting a session, it says about Code of conduct and related stuff, they split the information into new paragraphs and added stuff. Interesting.


Couple months ago European models wrote a large letter signed by almost 60 models to Lazlo and other managers on Streamate asking to pay attention to those who break the rules and to bring an end to the below waist nudity in free chat. Also we asked to add it to the tick box and it is so great that Streamate did it.

DeepThoughts
05-14-2020, 08:09 AM
sorry the quotation did not work properly for me so i just copied/pasted what i would like to answer:

"I would suggest that your friend did not sign up to SM directly but has signed up with a studio and they are the ones that as holding her money and responding to her emails. SM has always been above board with us on everything especially regarding chargebacks and issuing cheques so I find it hard to believe they would be doing this"


Hello,

I am not a friend of the person who wrote this post but I had a similar situation.

At the Russian Summit one year ago Lazlo Czero mentioned that If performers meet certain requirements, then they can have payments without the 21 days delay.So I asked to check my account ( i'm an individual model who has been working on Streamate for 10 years with a high hour income). I live in Australia and receive 35% of my earning as well.

It took around a week to have an answer back from a certain account manager:

"I managed to get an answer back in regards of no delay payments from the finance department and they have communicated that the charge back rate on your account is big to be able to give you payments with no delay.

The charge back rate will have to be lowered to almost 0 to be able to pay you with no delay. Usually customers ask for their money back when they are not satisfied with the service they obtained, so this a be something to focus on. To make sure that your customers are satisfied and you understand what are their needs."

Well that is weird. I mean your charge back rate must be super high for this to be happening. Unless this is an Australian thing Im a little stumped. Do you mostly make your income from lots of different guys a day or do you tend to have a couple of big spenders coming to you? When your clients take you private do you do what they ask or not really? It still seems strange that they would make you wait 21 days because of chargebacks. I guess you are being paid the money regardless of whether or not the client charges it back correct? So why would it make a difference to SM to wait 21 days or not. Something doesnt add up to me here.

euro_princess
05-14-2020, 09:34 AM
Fraud, that’s why they make the model wait 21 days for payment. A way of trying to catch patterns and see if the girl is involved also.

DeepThoughts
05-14-2020, 11:38 AM
^^ I get that but isnt it just a short term thing? Like after a few months you see that the person is just there to cam and make money no? I understood the 21 days was just for the first 3 weeks and then it goes to normal payout.

kamiliam
05-14-2020, 12:12 PM
Just guessing that we all have more chargebacks then we believe. Many coming from customers that come to see us again. Or how many guys seem really clueless when they jump in the show, asking the world, barking demands. Sure we may take control and have him leaving happy, but he is still the kinda rude person who might look back the next day and call his bank. We have the responsibility to look for the obvious ones, but some of these guys are tricky dicks.

I think the % difference is xenophobic to begin with but to treat established performers just like us as wanna be scammers is truly insulting.

arielbriel
05-14-2020, 12:50 PM
Whoever told me to raise my rates, not say Hi to everyone in Free chat, and to be more aloof like just go about my buisness- THANK YOU. I made like $200 last night in 2.5 hours. I also turned off the affiliates thingy in the geo blocking tab, thanks for that info as well. I was scared to try SM again because of the affiliate thing + the free chat but last night I got the courage to do so in between calls and I am happy I did. I also am wearing more clothes, no fucking lingerie lol. I wore a pair of spandex work out shorts and a cute crop top and that worked fine. I will try again tonight. :D

MirandaGray
05-14-2020, 03:08 PM
Well that is weird. I mean your charge back rate must be super high for this to be happening. Unless this is an Australian thing Im a little stumped. Do you mostly make your income from lots of different guys a day or do you tend to have a couple of big spenders coming to you? When your clients take you private do you do what they ask or not really? It still seems strange that they would make you wait 21 days because of chargebacks. I guess you are being paid the money regardless of whether or not the client charges it back correct? So why would it make a difference to SM to wait 21 days or not. Something doesnt add up to me here.

If my chargebacks were super high i doubt I would be still working on Streamate, if i remember correctly to get your account closed it must be up to 80%.
I have many regular big spenders and also new ones who returns or who I never see again.
I mostly do fetish show where we talk a lot, I do not undress or take request for those who are rude or in a rush though I never reply rude remarks but I can explain that he should change his attitude, a lot of them apologize and we continue. I do not have a bad rating or bad comments , so the last sentences from Streamate's reply advising me to work better I find very strange and inappropriate.

I know I have chargebacks an so do all of us, because carders easily hack and steal account details on Streamate, unfortunately instead of doing your job in the private show you have to be paranoid if it a real member or someone using his account.

KatM
05-14-2020, 05:26 PM
I am puzzled by the guys coming into my room and tipping one gold then leaving, how should i take this, as a compliment or insult? Or they just want to take me by surprise and buzz my toy?
I mean, one gold is the minimum so i tend to take it as an insult somehow lol, how about urself, what u feel when guys tip u 1 gold and leave right away?! xx

gbjenna
05-15-2020, 02:09 AM
Can anyone tell me how I hide my rank in the contest please?

MirandaGray
05-15-2020, 02:38 AM
Can anyone tell me how I hide my rank in the contest please?

Hiding Your Rank
By default, performers and members can see your name and rank on the leaderboards. If you would like to stay anonymous, you can change this setting on your page Account Preferences (located at the bottom of your performer dashboard). Select that you don’t want your nickname shown in the contest results. You’ll still be able to see your ranking, but performers and members will see “Anonymous” instead of your name.
If you have geographic restrictions, your name will automatically be hidden from members in your blocked areas. However, other performers will still be able to see your rank on the performer leaderboard.

gbjenna
05-15-2020, 02:39 AM
I am puzzled by the guys coming into my room and tipping one gold then leaving, how should i take this, as a compliment or insult? Or they just want to take me by surprise and buzz my toy?
I mean, one gold is the minimum so i tend to take it as an insult somehow lol, how about urself, what u feel when guys tip u 1 gold and leave right away?! xx

I wouldn't take it as an insult. There will be some guys who like to just have one or two regular girls who they spend their money on and then some who just want to get the quick and instant gratification of tipping multiple models I guess. That's the way I imagine it to be anyway!
I don't think it's much different to drive by compliments.. except we can pay the bills with tips lol.

gbjenna
05-15-2020, 03:46 AM
Hiding Your Rank


By default, performers and members can see your name and rank on the leaderboards. If you would like to stay anonymous, you can change this setting on your page Account Preferences (located at the bottom of your performer dashboard). Select that you don’t want your nickname shown in the contest results. You’ll still be able to see your ranking, but performers and members will see “Anonymous” instead of your name.
If you have geographic restrictions, your name will automatically be hidden from members in your blocked areas. However, other performers will still be able to see your rank on the performer leaderboard.

Thank you! Took a bit of work but I found it eventually haha

DeepThoughts
05-15-2020, 08:14 AM
If my chargebacks were super high i doubt I would be still working on Streamate, if i remember correctly to get your account closed it must be up to 80%.
I have many regular big spenders and also new ones who returns or who I never see again.
I mostly do fetish show where we talk a lot, I do not undress or take request for those who are rude or in a rush though I never reply rude remarks but I can explain that he should change his attitude, a lot of them apologize and we continue. I do not have a bad rating or bad comments , so the last sentences from Streamate's reply advising me to work better I find very strange and inappropriate.

I know I have chargebacks an so do all of us, because carders easily hack and steal account details on Streamate, unfortunately instead of doing your job in the private show you have to be paranoid if it a real member or someone using his account.

I really just dont understand. Like am I crazy for thinking that the 3 week hold is just for the first 3 weeks or does this happen to other models as well. Some one mentioned xenophobia, is this just a rule that applies to "Eastern European" Models or models who are not American? Are Australian Models also High risk? I am in Spain but I am Canadian and I dont think I ever had the hold (or I didnt care if I did) so I cannot speak from experience I just always understood that it was this way. I understood the hold was there to protect from fraud but if a model has been with the site for over a year shouldnt it be obvious that there is no scam or do some models work AND use the account to launder money as well??? Im just trying to understand what the rule is cause honestly Im a little surprised by it.

Maybe I just answered my own question. Where is Katy from Boleyn Models when I need her :D ?? I bet she could explain this to me.

foxirox
05-15-2020, 12:13 PM
This is a random question, but how much do the top models usually make on Streamate per month? And what is the average per hour for a non-top model on SM?

I do pretty well with Indy, but thinking of adding SM to the mix as it seems a good one with paying members.

SoloDesire
05-15-2020, 12:45 PM
I am puzzled by the guys coming into my room and tipping one gold then leaving, how should i take this, as a compliment or insult? Or they just want to take me by surprise and buzz my toy?
I mean, one gold is the minimum so i tend to take it as an insult somehow lol, how about urself, what u feel when guys tip u 1 gold and leave right away?! xx

I don't have a tip vibe and I still get this all the time! If they tip 1 GOLD and say nothing I just ignore them. They always leave pretty soon after tipping once they see I'm not reacting in orgasm glory anyway lol.

Genoveve
05-15-2020, 01:23 PM
This is a random question, but how much do the top models usually make on Streamate per month? And what is the average per hour for a non-top model on SM?

It varies wildly.

Jtothespoon13
05-15-2020, 04:21 PM
ok so I know we were told that our 75% sign up members money does not count in a contest but I just did a show with one and I moved up in the contest and it was an exl so no other members spent money... is it possible that a % of it does count towards the contest .. ??? lol

Jtothespoon13
05-15-2020, 04:25 PM
This is a random question, but how much do the top models usually make on Streamate per month? And what is the average per hour for a non-top model on SM?

I do pretty well with Indy, but thinking of adding SM to the mix as it seems a good one with paying members.

I make depending on how much I work normally on average I am on cam roughly 15 to 20 hrs a week and make between 2000 and 2500 a week If I am on cam longer I think my hourly will drop alot more. I have worked 45 hrs before and made about 6,000 Im not really sure how to tell WHO is a top model besides the contests and I know to win I normally have to make anywhere from 2,000 to 5,000 per day which means I have to cam at least 20 hours in one day lol BUT it seems to be slightly busier during a contest probably due to having better video deals etc.,so I would assume it is not that high of income normally and people may or may not cam as much as they do for a contest so its hard to say if the contest winners are in fact top models normally or they just work alot those specific days. I know I dont make as much on a normal basis as I do when I am participating in a contest cuz I do better deals and work like my whole week or two weeks worth of time in a few days time lol

reillyireland25
05-15-2020, 05:59 PM
I make depending on how much I work normally on average I am on cam roughly 15 to 20 hrs a week and make between 2000 and 2500 a week If I am on cam longer I think my hourly will drop alot more. I have worked 45 hrs before and made about 6,000 Im not really sure how to tell WHO is a top model besides the contests and I know to win I normally have to make anywhere from 2,000 to 5,000 per day which means I have to cam at least 20 hours in one day lol BUT it seems to be slightly busier during a contest probably due to having better video deals etc.,so I would assume it is not that high of income normally and people may or may not cam as much as they do for a contest so its hard to say if the contest winners are in fact top models normally or they just work alot those specific days. I know I dont make as much on a normal basis as I do when I am participating in a contest cuz I do better deals and work like my whole week or two weeks worth of time in a few days time lol

How long have you been camming and what are your rates? That is hella awesome! Do you have a set schedule and regulars?

kamiliam
05-15-2020, 06:25 PM
It is tricky to talk about average earnings even for top models. It's safe to say that any model you consider "top" is making over five figures a month, but perhaps also a week. There are different types of models. Some basically only work the contests and a few sporadic shifts. I would wager they make as much as popular models who work a consistent schedule. Other women who hustle hard in the contests and work regular shifts have to be killing it because that is a lot of work. Most top models have been with the site for awhile or have a fan base from other sides of sw. Of course there are exceptions and some just become very popular, they still need to put in the time though. I don't like to talk about my current numbers but I will tell you when I started 4 years ago my hourly was around $40.

I agree that when I work over my normal hours it becomes a clear situation of diminishing returns. Sure I make more money, but my hourly is less, I'm bitchier, sleep schedule sucks. So it really is only worth it if it is a contest week and you will place.
So keep that in mind, contests are really the only way to compare what our earnings are and who is top, but contests by existing attract inconsistent/but talented and popular performers, and also lots of deals that models would otherwise not do. Everyone will have their special formula on how to maximize your time and money. I would say it is rare to not work your way up on SM.

MirandaGray
05-15-2020, 06:50 PM
ok so I know we were told that our 75% sign up members money does not count in a contest but I just did a show with one and I moved up in the contest and it was an exl so no other members spent money... is it possible that a % of it does count towards the contest .. ??? lol

the money that were counted towards your placement in contest only what he paid for your show without those extra that your received as refferal.

MirandaGray
05-15-2020, 07:00 PM
I really just dont understand. Like am I crazy for thinking that the 3 week hold is just for the first 3 weeks or does this happen to other models as well. Some one mentioned xenophobia, is this just a rule that applies to "Eastern European" Models or models who are not American? Are Australian Models also High risk?


The tricky part is that I am originally from Eastern Europe but moved to Australia ages ago, I think this is the answer.
I asked my fellow Australian model she confirmed that she gets paid without a 21 day hold.
I contacted Liz to clarify this situation.

Serena-Shields
05-15-2020, 07:34 PM
I just did a seven minute show where the guy said barely any words, and then all of a sudden I got like 6 messages from him simultaneously and the show ended. I got NOTHING from the show, no money in my earnings from any part of that show. What the FUCK

Lintilla
05-15-2020, 08:00 PM
ok so I know we were told that our 75% sign up members money does not count in a contest but I just did a show with one and I moved up in the contest and it was an exl so no other members spent money... is it possible that a % of it does count towards the contest .. ??? lol

They're already full of crap when they say "the amount members spend on you" is the determining factor, so it's very possible that nothing they say about what counts is correct. I'm with Boleyn so my cut is 30% instead of 35%, and unless things have changed, having compared earnings with other models during contests in the past... it's our cut that counts, not what the member spent (having done the math and comparing--members spent more with me, but I earned less, and ranked lower--this has made me hate contests even more). But of course, your regular 35% percentage during that show will still count, it's only the additional affiliate percentage that supposedly wouldn't. So you would still move up.

minibagel
05-15-2020, 08:12 PM
It is tricky to talk about average earnings even for top models. It's safe to say that any model you consider "top" is making over five figures a month, but perhaps also a week. There are different types of models. Some basically only work the contests and a few sporadic shifts. I would wager they make as much as popular models who work a consistent schedule. Other women who hustle hard in the contests and work regular shifts have to be killing it because that is a lot of work. Most top models have been with the site for awhile or have a fan base from other sides of sw. Of course there are exceptions and some just become very popular, they still need to put in the time though. I don't like to talk about my current numbers but I will tell you when I started 4 years ago my hourly was around $40.

I agree that when I work over my normal hours it becomes a clear situation of diminishing returns. Sure I make more money, but my hourly is less, I'm bitchier, sleep schedule sucks. So it really is only worth it if it is a contest week and you will place.
So keep that in mind, contests are really the only way to compare what our earnings are and who is top, but contests by existing attract inconsistent/but talented and popular performers, and also lots of deals that models would otherwise not do. Everyone will have their special formula on how to maximize your time and money. I would say it is rare to not work your way up on SM.

Do you know if most of the top girls who make over 5 figures a month specialize in gold shows or just work a lot of hours with lower/average rates? I have never done gold shows before and I put in usually <10-15 hrs max per week shooting for at least $1k paycheck, after that I am too emotionally exhausted or bored to invest more time. For me at least it seems like the site doesn't get enough traffic for me to possibly pull in 10k+ per month on SM. On MFC I can put in maybe 30 hours the entire month and make at least 10k due to 100x more traffic :shrug:

kamiliam
05-15-2020, 08:34 PM
Do you know if most of the top girls who make over 5 figures a month specialize in gold shows or just work a lot of hours with high rates? I have never done gold shows before and I put in usually <10-15 hrs max per week shooting for at least $1k, after that I am too emotionally exhausted or bored to invest more time. For me at least it seems like the site doesn't get enough traffic for me to possibly pull in 10k+ per month on SM. On MFC I can put in maybe 30 hours the entire month and make at least 10k due to 100x more traffic :shrug:

I work on average 20-25 hours a week, do a gold show maybe once every 2 months, no videos. I don't consider myself a top model, but that's how I know they make at least that and that's how I hit it. There is a combo that works for everyone if they give it a chance. I hate GSs. I have said it before that I used to work way more hours for a smaller check, but believe it was necessary.

eta my rates are 5.99/8.99, most off my income is from tips and exclusive shows. Only way to figure rates is with a customer account, there was some other site but I think it was said that it was down. I have no clue anymore what people charge, play around a little for a short shift. you can always ask for them to tip for things and stand your ground

minibagel
05-15-2020, 09:23 PM
I work on average 20-25 hours a week, do a gold show maybe once every 2 months, no videos. I don't consider myself a top model, but that's how I know they make at least that and that's how I hit it. There is a combo that works for everyone if they give it a chance. I hate GSs. I have said it before that I used to work way more hours for a smaller check, but believe it was necessary.

eta my rates are 5.99/8.99, most off my income is from tips and exclusive shows. Only way to figure rates is with a customer account, there was some other site but I think it was said that it was down. I have no clue anymore what people charge, play around a little for a short shift. you can always ask for them to tip for things and stand your ground

My rates are currently 8.99/12.99 so they are kind of high-ish. I'm also nonnude/semi-nude bratty domme type so maybe that eliminates a lot of potential customers? The one week I put in 20something hours (rates were 6.99/8.99) I made almost $2k but I felt like that was way too many hours to be camming cuz the fastest I made $2k on MFC was in two hours from a group show.

Just trying to think of ways to increase my earnings on SM without necessarily camming more hours. I don't think it's possible for me lol I hit my ceiling

fawnresponse
05-15-2020, 11:09 PM
Anyone else back to not seeing their EXC earnings? My tips and PVTs are showing up, but not my EXC sessions. That freaks me out, man...

DeepThoughts
05-16-2020, 12:39 AM
They're already full of crap when they say "the amount members spend on you" is the determining factor, so it's very possible that nothing they say about what counts is correct. I'm with Boleyn so my cut is 30% instead of 35%, and unless things have changed, having compared earnings with other models during contests in the past... it's our cut that counts, not what the member spent (having done the math and comparing--members spent more with me, but I earned less, and ranked lower--this has made me hate contests even more). But of course, your regular 35% percentage during that show will still count, it's only the additional affiliate percentage that supposedly wouldn't. So you would still move up.

I dont see how there is a difference between your cut and what the member spent on you. What do you think "the amount members spend on you" means? Cause to me I understand it like how much the client spends on me during the period of the contest. The only math you need to do is how much the member spent on you added to the amount you have already made for the period of the contest. If a member spends $100 then it doesnt matter if they measure the $100 total spent or the $35 that is your cut because it will work out the same. Also just because you are with Boleyn it doesnt mean that you are only getting a 30% cut. SM is still paying you 35% and then you pay 5% of your earnings to Boleyn afterwards. That is between you and then and shouldnt effect your placement in the contest.

The only time this would be important is for those models that only earn 30% from SM because of their geographical location! In their case counting total spend vs. Models cut would matter because if it is done by cut then the models would be competing at 30% against those who make 35%. You have stated that you make the full 35% so why do you claim they are full of crap????

gbjenna
05-16-2020, 01:53 AM
They're already full of crap when they say "the amount members spend on you" is the determining factor, so it's very possible that nothing they say about what counts is correct. I'm with Boleyn so my cut is 30% instead of 35%, and unless things have changed, having compared earnings with other models during contests in the past... it's our cut that counts, not what the member spent (having done the math and comparing--members spent more with me, but I earned less, and ranked lower--this has made me hate contests even more). But of course, your regular 35% percentage during that show will still count, it's only the additional affiliate percentage that supposedly wouldn't. So you would still move up.

Isn't this possibly because earnings from white label sites don't count towards the contest? Do they not have to come directly through SM or our cammmodels link? Or have I misunderstood the T&C's? I may be completely wrong so please no one take this as gospel until it's confirmed lol

gbjenna
05-16-2020, 02:23 AM
Can anyone give me any advice re these situations please?

I only really used to do excl shows up until a couple of months back as my private rate was always higher than excl so I'm not so used to negotiating privates yet. Most of the time my privates have been fine but I seem to going through a phase where I'm getting 2-3 guys in private, and there's nearly always one being extremely domineering and trying to drive all the focus towards himself like it's a 1on1 and it's not only off putting for me, but I'm certain it's driving the other guys away sometimes.

In excl I have a no bullshit approach, so if they do start being dicks (which is rare) I have no issue telling them off, so it's up to them to either stay and cut it out or leave. If I start going off like that in a group show though I'm sure that'll kill the vibe just as quick!
I don't really want to just resort to immediately kicking them so I'm wondering if anyone can suggest a way to manage the situation before it gets to that point??

Secondly.. I'm having an increased number of people taking me private seemingly just for the purpose of clearing out my room lately. I've heard some models request the guys ask before going pvt/excl. Do you kick people who don't ask you first? Or do you just take the show as normal and see what happens/take it on the chin if they do turn out to be timewasters? It seems to be 50:50 when they don't ask, they either clear out my room and leave or they turn out to be great customers and stick around for 10-15mins sometimes!

kamiliam
05-16-2020, 02:47 AM
^ in regards to the first question basically I just ignore the dominant one unless he is giving me tips and/or I have the sense that he will stay longer. If I acknowledge him it will be to tell him what he needs to do to get that attention. I actually get way more annoyed by the guys who jump in and want me to completely change what I am doing. These guys are usually not dicks but come on you joined a show in progress.

Secondly, I just roll with it. Privates move more slowly for me and I try to figure out what is going on in the beginning. Often I will get them to move exclusive while being paid to have them explain what they want. And like you I have found some great regulars from a pop in private. As for clearing the room, anyone who was serious about a show will come back.

Lintilla
05-16-2020, 07:05 AM
I dont see how there is a difference between your cut and what the member spent on you. What do you think "the amount members spend on you" means? Cause to me I understand it like how much the client spends on me during the period of the contest. The only math you need to do is how much the member spent on you added to the amount you have already made for the period of the contest. If a member spends $100 then it doesnt matter if they measure the $100 total spent or the $35 that is your cut because it will work out the same. Also just because you are with Boleyn it doesnt mean that you are only getting a 30% cut. SM is still paying you 35% and then you pay 5% of your earnings to Boleyn afterwards. That is between you and then and shouldnt effect your placement in the contest.

The only time this would be important is for those models that only earn 30% from SM because of their geographical location! In their case counting total spend vs. Models cut would matter because if it is done by cut then the models would be competing at 30% against those who make 35%. You have stated that you make the full 35% so why do you claim they are full of crap????

The difference between what the member spends and my cut... well, if they spend $1000, I get $300, and $300 is what shows up in my dashboard. Another model will get $350 and see $350 in their dashboard. I can't confirm that this is still true, but previously that model making $350 would rank higher in contests, even though every message we get explaining the contest rules state it's member spending that matters--I'm not sure they're actually calculating things that way. I realize that Boleyn gets that 5%, but that full 35% is not shown to me in my earnings on the site, and that has seemed to make a difference. So yes, it has seemed like I have to compete based on 30% vs 35%. I've messaged support and either Liz or Vanessa (can't remember, possibly both) about this for clarification, because obviously we can't see the numbers they're using to calculate ranking or overall earnings of anyone in that list, but I got no response. This is definitely based on the limited information that I can access, so like someone else said, don't take it as gospel. Other models I've talked to could have done their math wrong. I'd just like verification that they're calculating things the way they say they are. I did ask Katy from Boleyn at one point if she had any insight, and she told me they have no idea.

What I do know: it's harder to make $X in 25 hours or whatever they use for bonus weeks, even though I'm earning the site the same amount of money as someone else, since only my 30% that I see in my dashboard counts. At times I would have earned a higher bonus if it was calculated using the full 35% that they're actually paying out to me and Boleyn combined. Noticing this is what first made me wonder about whether they're using that number for ranking as well. (This could have been fixed at some point, as I have a vanilla day job and so haven't participated for ages, but something to watch out for.) Yeah, this is what I get for being paid out through a studio, I suppose, but still kind of stinks.