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Cherrie05
04-11-2013, 10:17 AM
I'm still getting system error and not letting me in...just trying to connect...

UPDATE: got in...yeah...

SoloDesire
04-11-2013, 10:17 AM
I'm at 4.5 star rating right now so i think ill get 5 stars if your running a gold show do you automatically get put in the front no matter where ur placement is? I have mixed feelings on it but its like a shiny new toy u want to try out at least once ya know :P

You only get put to the front if you're doing a TV Gold Show.

JaneBurgess
04-11-2013, 12:05 PM
He said they are building a hub for their own servers. Should be done in about six months.




Where you able to ask Shawn about any of this when you met with him? And about the door slams and we not see pp? LOL basically did you find out any "bug" info I know you sat him down, tied him up and said "look mother..." lol J/K. Seriously was he able to enlighten ANYTHING?

MommieLongLegs
04-11-2013, 01:08 PM
Question about gold shows. How do you guys end your shows? Do you ride the timer out or make an exit speech before the timer runs out? I've done a variation of things, but not sure what the guys like/expect. My last show everyone tipped in well and I made my goal, they loved the show/commented, then I played with myself til the timer was up, and when I came back in free, my room was a ghost town lol.

idk maybe the came and went-literally lol.

Marina Starr
04-11-2013, 01:10 PM
I ride til the timer goes out. I don't think you could exit before the timer runs out or you won't get paid for that GS.
I honestly wouldn't mind if they would all leave a minute into the show and let me be by myself. I also love how they can't rate you!

Question about gold shows. How do you guys end your shows? Do you ride the timer out or make an exit speech before the timer runs out? I've done a variation of things, but not sure what the guys like/expect. My last show everyone tipped in well and I made my goal, they loved the show/commented, then I played with myself til the timer was up, and when I came back in free, my room was a ghost town lol.

idk maybe the came and went-literally lol.

euaici
04-11-2013, 01:12 PM
if you were wondering why you have so many self righteous beggars in your room, look what advertising they are using nowadays to get people on SM:



https://vimeo.com/63842268

seller317
04-11-2013, 01:13 PM
I just play til the end but I step out of cam view at the last sec so the guys in the room don't get a free flash. Some guys stay in my room to thank me for the show and tell the guys who didn't watch how awesome it was lol

Marina Starr
04-11-2013, 01:15 PM
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy167/mythirdhouse/egdc7bjpg.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/mythirdhouse/media/egdc7bjpg.gif.html)

if you were wondering why you have so many self righteous beggars in your room, look what advertising they are using nowadays to get people on SM:



https://vimeo.com/63842268

MonaLittle
04-11-2013, 01:22 PM
Hi everyone. I'm new to SW and to SM. My first night I learned to put up geo restrictions for my state as someone came into my room on SM who I had actually dated in real life. I was freaked out tremendously. I don't live in a rural area or small town either. I live in a huge metro area. So... even though most of you know to do this, make sure to put your restrictions up. I wish I had done that initially. :)

Blovely
04-11-2013, 03:08 PM
if you were wondering why you have so many self righteous beggars in your room, look what advertising they are using nowadays to get people on SM:



https://vimeo.com/63842268

Ummmmm what the entire fuck. I know that that's an affiliate or a whitelabel but seriously. We are not there for free and we aren't going to do whatever customers want for free. They need to go back to the old way of advertising because there current way isn't working. We need quality traffic not quantity traffic.

JackAlexander
04-11-2013, 03:22 PM
Hi everyone. I'm new to SW and to SM. My first night I learned to put up geo restrictions for my state as someone came into my room on SM who I had actually dated in real life. I was freaked out tremendously. I don't live in a rural area or small town either. I live in a huge metro area. So... even though most of you know to do this, make sure to put your restrictions up. I wish I had done that initially. :)

I had geo blocks up and was found by my then bf' s jealous ex from a state that was blocked. She found me and sent him a video and a screen shot, he sent it to me. It was from a white labeled site interface, not SM.

Snowy0Star
04-11-2013, 03:26 PM
Ummmmm what the entire fuck. I know that that's an affiliate or a whitelabel but seriously. We are not there for free and we aren't going to do whatever customers want for free. They need to go back to the old way of advertising because there current way isn't working. We need quality traffic not quantity traffic.

i agree maybe this way the sites kind of going downhill and we have so many ppl pooping in and out all the time? they're leaving because were not naked or giving them a free peep show .

kittykrane
04-11-2013, 03:39 PM
I have noticed that the number of beggars and disrespectful jerks has increased tenfold in the last 6 months! If it's because of these stupid advertising ploys, no wonder. Good luck converting the ones who think we are supposed to work for free and feel entitled to a free show. What do you want to bet they wouldn't work for free, but they expect us to?

Blovely
04-11-2013, 03:44 PM
I have noticed that the number of beggars and disrespectful jerks has increased tenfold in the last 6 months! If it's because of these stupid advertising ploys, no wonder. Good luck converting the ones who think we are supposed to work for free and feel entitled to a free show. What do you want to bet they wouldn't work for free, but they expect us to?

I kind of don't blame them for thinking or expecting us to work for free when its been advertised as such. I'm not exactly cheap but man I think I'd rather have SM advertise us as such over being free. If we were advertised as cheap then at least potential customers would know that they have to pay for something. Instead we have guys coming to the site thinking that were sitting on cam in our skimpies to be their (free) little love/sex slaves.

Marina Starr
04-11-2013, 04:05 PM
YES! They still have to pay on Match.com, Christianmingle.com, Adultfriendfinder.com so why not pay Streamate.com? You gotta pay to play motherfuckers!

I kind of don't blame them for thinking or expecting us to work for free when its been advertised as such. I'm not exactly cheap but man I think I'd rather have SM advertise us as such over being free. If we were advertised as cheap then at least potential customers would know that they have to pay for something. Instead we have guys coming to the site thinking that were sitting on cam in our skimpies to be their (free) little love/sex slaves.

JoyKitten
04-11-2013, 04:53 PM
The video is annoying, but advertising 'free' chat is what all the sites do, and have been doing since camming began in the late 90's. Is it honest advertising? No, but it's been going on a long time.

What DOES bother me are the desperate 'Gold Show' models who are giving away nearly naked pre-shows in order to get the guys to go into the $1 Gold Show. So many of these pre-shows fail (who's going to buy in when they're getting a free show?). The model restarts 3x-4x before they even make a little bit to start the show. In the mean time the guys are busting a nut while watching these free shows. Heck, guys blow their load while just looking at pictures in a magazine of girls sucking cock, so why wouldn't he when she's doing it live for him in free chat? Duh!

To me it seems kind of sad, being reduced to giving deep throating BJ's or rubbing one out and 'squirting' in her panties as a way to lure guys into their shows. Some of the pre-show antics are so complete, and repeat every 10 minutes when the girl doesn't make her goal. When she finally does decide to start the show, all those cockroaches head over to our rooms. They'd like to see us doing the same kind of show, so the begging begins.

I feel that the 'freebie girls' are the reasons we have more guys lurking, begging for freebies than ever before. Monkey see, monkey do. They see girls giving it away, responding to requests in free chat, so they come in our rooms and do it too.

Incantatious
04-11-2013, 04:57 PM
The video is annoying, but advertising 'free' chat is what all the sites do, and have been doing since camming began in the late 90's. Is it honest advertising? No, but it's been going on a long time.

What DOES bother me are the desperate 'Gold Show' models who are giving away nearly naked pre-shows in order to get the guys to go into the $1 Gold Show. So many of these pre-shows fail (who's going to buy in when they're getting a free show?). The model restarts 3x-4x before they even make a little bit to start the show. In the mean time the guys are busting a nut while watching these free shows. Heck, guys blow their load while just looking at pictures in a magazine of girls sucking cock, so why wouldn't he when she's doing it live for him in free chat? Duh!

To me it seems kind of sad, being reduced to giving deep throating BJ's or rubbing one out and 'squirting' in her panties as a way to lure guys into their shows. Some of the pre-show antics are so complete, and repeat every 10 minutes when the girl doesn't make her goal. When she finally does decide to start the show, all those cockroaches head over to our rooms. They'd like to see us doing the same kind of show, so the begging begins.

I feel that the 'freebie girls' are the reasons we have more guys lurking, begging for freebies than ever before. Monkey see, monkey do. They see girls giving it away, responding to requests in free chat, so they come in our rooms and do it too.

The bit in bold can be said for everything you just said...

The whole blaming other "desperate models" for your problems and belittlement of "to me it seems kind of sad, being reduced to doing such and such" blah blah blah, has been parroted a million times before too.

Marina Starr
04-11-2013, 05:11 PM
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x311/melaniamai/url_zps63a3e19d.gif (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/melaniamai/media/url_zps63a3e19d.gif.html)
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x311/melaniamai/kesk8.gif (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/melaniamai/media/kesk8.gif.html)

The whole blaming other "desperate models" for your problems and belittlement of "to me it seems kind of sad, being reduced to doing such and such" blah blah blah, has been parroted a million times before too.

JaneBurgess
04-11-2013, 05:32 PM
That is horrible as fuck. They should say free chat is free but if you like what you see and want more, you have the option to buy a private show.




if you were wondering why you have so many self righteous beggars in your room, look what advertising they are using nowadays to get people on SM:



https://vimeo.com/63842268

JoyKitten
04-11-2013, 05:33 PM
I have no problems my income on SM, I'm making more money than I ever dreamed possible. Honestly, I believe most of my success comes directly from my use of teasing in free chat, not doing entire shows there. I was simply rebutting the claims that it's the advertising of 'free chat' that is causing all the beggars in our rooms.

And my sincere apologies for using the term 'desperate' to those who are doing full shows in free chat. There's probably a better term than desperate. But you don't need to have studied marketing at Harvard to realize, as my grandma use to say, Why would they pay for the cow when they can get the milk for free? Instead, tell the shoppers how wonderful the milk will taste, how creamy it is, the nutrients it contains, how satisfying it will be when it takes care of their cravings.
That's Marketing 101: Sell the sizzle, not the steak ;-)

I stand by my opinion that the freebie shows are creating a culture of beggars in our rooms, but I've also come to terms with nothing is going to change, so I don't let it get me down. Girls giving shows in free chat is simply the new normal. I don't need to like it, just live with it.

JoyKitten
04-11-2013, 05:47 PM
Glad you brought this up. I've noticed it too. Guys tell me they've posted comments, and I can see the comment in the notes box, but it never appears in my comments area.

I've been envisioning some SM troll on the overnight shift, hunched over a desk in a dark computer lab, spending more time tapping into our shows than approving our comments. Then at the end of his shift going through and mass deleting rather than approving them. ROFL It helps me deal with the frustration of being out of control about it.

MonaLittle
04-11-2013, 05:54 PM
I saw a woman last night in her chat room showing her pussy in free chat. I couldn't believe she was doing it. I guess they don't understand the concept of "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"

Marina Starr
04-11-2013, 05:55 PM
Or why buy a whole pig when all you want is a little sausage? LOL

I saw a woman last night in her chat room showing her pussy in free chat. I couldn't believe she was doing it. I guess they don't understand the concept of "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"

Incantatious
04-11-2013, 06:01 PM
I have no problems my income on SM, I'm making more money than I ever dreamed possible.

Awesome! Then enjoy your success, and be glad you're not one of those 'poor sad scraping-the-barrel' girls, because honestly, that's all this kind of discussion ever boils down to...

There's the "freebie culture", and there's also the "self-superior culture", which basically involves performers assessing the success (or lack thereof) of other performers ~ discuss it, point at it, laugh at it, sneer at it, gasp at it, critique it, gossip about it, etc etc, etc... And it usually comes from those who aren't doing too well themselves and are looking for someone to put the blame on. Sometimes however it comes from those who are already doing great. I've been there myself in my complaints about others - and it's all equally as fruitless, and rehashed and dead-end as the last time, the time before that, and the time before that.

There just comes a point when you either say "Oh, shit, I'm not doing too great - time to step things up, there's money to be made out there!" and you get your ass in gear. Or there comes a point where you simply say "Oh... wait a second, I'm actually doing fucking amazing, and I'm sitting here turning my nose up at "$1 for 100 mins GOLD show" ladies... Fuck this shit I'ma buy myself a new goddamn dildo!"

Incantatious
04-11-2013, 06:36 PM
Incantatious, did you know I love you and your attitude a whole lot?

OMG! Bless you, thank you! <3

temptingmodel
04-11-2013, 06:37 PM
I always ASSUME , not saying it is true, just MY OPINION that when ppl have enough time to lurk rooms then __________________________________________________ ___.

Fill in the blank.

Marina Starr
04-11-2013, 06:39 PM
Oooooooooooooooh, can I fill in the blank, BB?


I always ASSUME , not saying it is true, just MY OPINION that when ppl have enough time to lurk rooms then __________________________________________________ ___.

Fill in the blank.

AliceFun
04-11-2013, 06:43 PM
^^^ It's normal to react when there are people that sell their performance low, this is happening in 'real life' too, when somebody sells something or a service very low priced it changes the market, its happening everywhere.
Sm culture really changed since gold shows were introduced and there are performers happy with new system cause they willing to put up these shows and there are performers not happy cause they not willing to put themselves in the hot spot so they feel left behind, we all know GS rooms are more popular than privates on SM lately, they attract more visitors in rooms and more exposure -> more chances for profit. I thanked both JoyKitten cause i agree her comments and Incantatious too cause i agree her comments too.

Incantatious
04-11-2013, 07:00 PM
In this industry we certainly need to be able to adapt to change. Some of those changes many of us will like, and some of those changes many of us won't.

Before I cammed, I put a lot of emphasis on learning GOLD show hustle long before I even began, which I think gave me a head-start, as it was something I was already interested in before I had any cam experience myself. I can imagine that for the ladies who started camming, and then GOLD shows came, it is a whole different ball game. But I did, myself, have to think about difficult changes when the whole "Xpeeps interactive" shit started going on and this newly invented interactive dildo was put on the market and it scared me.. Lol.. I didn't like it at all, but I don't think it's amounted to anything (It may have done! But I don't see any talk of it, and either way it doesn't seem to have negatively impacted my success), but regardless... things are going to change for us because that's what this industry has always done.. and we are all going to have to find ways to adapt to those changes.

If more interactive ways of camming are going to be introduced, I think it is always going to be best to try to remain open-minded, try to stay calm, and just have a brainstorm about if we can make these initially scary changes help rather than hinder us... To put our own unique spin on the new shit to stay ahead of the rest.

In certain ways, we are incredibly privileged. And in many ways, yes, we absolutely have it so much easier than others. - We log on and traffic is handed to us on a plate. We didn't have to do anything to get that traffic. Just switch on our cams and log on. That's still insane to me. Incredible. And we have come to expect it to be that easy, which can be a huge pit-fall... I think the more a camgirl takes her whole business into her whole hands, the more success and longevity she will see. Her business will benefit from that extra personal effort in getting herself out there, bringing and keeping her own traffic, working on promotion, solidifying her niche, and making a sustainable brand for herself.

AliceFun
04-11-2013, 07:27 PM
By the way, not everyone wants a career as a cam model, for some people including myself this is just a temporary work, some wanna keep a low profile regarding their online work therefore not willing to promote themselves, build a brand, sell content and so on. What is on the internet stays there forever, some people wanna get out this work line one day and do something different and want as little tracks as possible behind them. Hope i worded it correctly, too tired by now, off to bed.

Incantatious
04-11-2013, 07:45 PM
By the way, not everyone wants a career as a cam model, for some people including myself this is just a temporary work, some wanna keep a low profile regarding their online work therefore not willing to promote themselves, build a brand, sell content and so on.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! so then ~ ...if only you could have your cake and eat it too? ;)

For sure though, not treating this like a real-life career comes with it's repercussions and consequences...
The more you put in, the more you get out.. To me, knowing that is always a boost: because then I know it's always within some measure of my control.

Actually scares me when I see other performers speak about camming (which I always - maybe stupidly - to be to them like what it is to me: My beloved business and omg NO BITCH can take this away from me so help me Christ) like it's hanging by a little tiny thread that other performers can come along and "snap", and then it's "bai bai!" to your livelihood...

OMFG girls are making guys cheap!
OMFG girls are giving free shows meaning no one will pay for mine!
OMFG girls are ruining every-fucking-THING with their puuuuuuuuuuuuuuussy!
OMFG I hate girlssssssssssss ruining my entire job for me!

For the performers who are worried about other performers basically ruining this industry, if you care that much, get your hands dirty. Pick dat ass up and cause fricking earthquakes with it. (I mean that metaphorically.. I don't mean: just fart at the internet), that no guy with cash can even try to ignore.

But fuck! Even yeah! Even if you get known for how awesome you fart and take vids of it, people will pay up. As long as you know that your gas and your ass - just like your work - are all within your control.

And you know what happens if you keep a fart in...



(yeah... I don't even know how I can make this analogy work anymore)

<3 !

AliceFun
04-11-2013, 07:54 PM
Not going to argue with u here sweetie, u full of anger just now.........

temptingmodel
04-11-2013, 08:04 PM
That is what I do. If they are not paying... 20 motherfuckers can stare at me all day long. It pays to be a snob
I wish I could silently sit and bat my eyes and rake in the cash. These dudes expect me to be all social and entertaining and crap. Geesh.

temptingmodel
04-11-2013, 08:07 PM
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! so then ~ ...if only you could have your cake and eat it too? ;)


(yeah... I don't even know how I can make this analogy work anymore)

<3 !
BB just go ahead and give up, that is what I did and now laugh when posts talking about other rooms. I think its funny to be watched and hated. Money is evil, I love my sins ;)

temptingmodel
04-11-2013, 08:09 PM
not everyone wants a career as a cam model, for some people including myself this is just a temporary work, some wanna keep a low profile regarding their online work there. very true for a lot of cammers.

Incantatious
04-11-2013, 08:09 PM
Not going to argue with u here sweetie, u full of anger just now.........

.................................................. ................................................. O_O

http://s11.postimg.org/cyzqu6vcj/tumblr_mksda0_HKWQ1qazyx4o1_500.gif

http://s22.postimg.org/6fntz58s1/tumblr_maaskitc9n1rvxek1o1_400.gif


Maybe this is one of those instances where tone doesn't transfer right over the internet?

...I had to stop typing several times in my previous post because I was laughing way too much at my own utterly ridiculous (and 100% non-angry and well-meaning) jokes. Er, yeh, I wasn't angry at all... I was just mega spirited and it must have somehow come across as anger?

I love everyone.

http://s9.postimg.org/mql55xwbz/tumblr_m4nc50_Pv_WB1qc1u27o1_500.gif

Love love love... GIFS MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER! lol. ;)

temptingmodel
04-11-2013, 08:12 PM
IMO , you did not come off angry. Some are more sensitive than others or read the forum way diff than what is meant. Did that make sense? Lets just pick up the phone and call ;)

Marina Starr
04-11-2013, 08:12 PM
I came to the US by boat so I'm a bit slow but what does this mean?

if only you could have your cake and eat it too? ;)

CamL
04-11-2013, 08:20 PM
I came to the US by boat so I'm a bit slow but what does this mean?

Maybe she's calling us fat ;) ?

Incantatious
04-11-2013, 08:22 PM
I came to the US by boat so I'm a bit slow but what does this mean?

"You can't have your cake and eat it too" is basically used for expressing the impossibility of having something both ways, if those two ways conflict...

I used it in this context to reference those performers who want a lot of distance from camming, or those who only do it as a temporary job that they can't (or don't want to) take seriously, whilst simultaneously wanting the benefits and success of a performer who perhaps does take it seriously; or perhaps mourning that they are getting left behind, as the industry changes and others get to the top, etc, etc.. I hope that explains it!

Marina Starr
04-11-2013, 08:23 PM
Oh wow! You just described me to a T! I admire the girls who cam full time and do it well but I am thankful it's not my main source of income.

By the way, not everyone wants a career as a cam model, for some people including myself this is just a temporary work, some wanna keep a low profile regarding their online work therefore not willing to promote themselves, build a brand, sell content and so on. What is on the internet stays there forever, some people wanna get out this work line one day and do something different and want as little tracks as possible behind them.

Marina Starr
04-11-2013, 08:29 PM
Yes, BB but I always buy a whole cake, not just a slice so I can eat it later too ;D

You're not slow : ) It's an idiom that doesn't make sense if you're not familiar with it. It's like if you could eat your slice of cake but then still have it to eat later, so wishing for the best of things with no negative consequences. Does that make sense?

Incantatious
04-11-2013, 08:30 PM
Yes, BB but I always but a whole cake, not just a slice so I can eat it later too ;D

LMFAO!!

I was about to apologize for speaking in bloody English proverbs!! But ahh.. Marina, I adore thee. <3 XD

temptingmodel
04-11-2013, 08:46 PM
I dont mind models in my room as long as they are not rude. (as we wish for everyone) Some "lurkers" are rude, then some just lurk, then some straight up hang out until I log off. Its all good as long as no one is rude
You're not slow : ) It's an idiom that doesn't make sense if you're not familiar with it. It's like if you could eat your slice of cake but then still have it to eat later, so wishing for the best of things with no negative consequences. Does that make sense?

Pssh. It's already been explained. Now I feel silly.

Also, tempting, I may have once upon a time lurked in your room without knowing it. Call it jealousy. Call it admiration. It all means I wish I could work your hustle as well as you work it.

MonaLittle
04-11-2013, 09:23 PM
I wasn't perving the girl showing her pussy... but I do perv some of the other ladies lol

temptingmodel
04-11-2013, 10:06 PM
;) there IS a difference , perving is acceptable, trolling is not

most of the models feel like they are trolled by other models.

perving is 100% acceptable

basically , bitching about seeing what other models do, we assume a troll is among us. This is my own personal conclusion , others may feel different.

your good if just perving bb

JoyKitten
04-11-2013, 11:21 PM
... To put our own unique spin on the new shit to stay ahead of the rest.

In certain ways, we are incredibly privileged. And in many ways, yes, we absolutely have it so much easier than others. - We log on and traffic is handed to us on a plate. We didn't have to do anything to get that traffic. Just switch on our cams and log on. That's still insane to me. Incredible. And we have come to expect it to be that easy, which can be a huge pit-fall... I think the more a camgirl takes her whole business into her whole hands, the more success and longevity she will see. Her business will benefit from that extra personal effort in getting herself out there, bringing and keeping her own traffic, working on promotion, solidifying her niche, and making a sustainable brand for herself.

You are so right about developing our own business. We've got to think of camming as a real business, don't operate it as if it's a hobby. Have a plan, build a brand, and that doesn't require joining PornHub or uploading videos to the internet sites. (I'm with AliceFun, this isn't something I'm expecting to do the rest of my life) Because of the Gold Show videos being ripped and uploaded to other sites, I made a decision not to do them. Relying instead on private & exclusive shows. If anyone is curious, this is how my successful yet unusual, out of the box business plan works:

For me, being an older performer I knew it wasn't going to be my youthful good looks that were going to make me a success. I'm not going to have 100's of people in my free chat; If I have 25 at once it feels crazy busy to me. LOL Like you, I did my research, studied, watched models on all the cam sites to see what was working, and wasn't working. Before even signing up with a site I built a business plan of sorts.

Part of my plan was realizing that lounging on a bed, with my monitor across the room wasn't going to work for me. To read the guest chat I must sit closer, I work from a desk & chair instead of a bed or couch. While my version of business may seem extreme to most of you, my lengthy explanation is meant to be an example of thinking outside the box, doing something different and utilizing the tools we're given on the site to create a personalized, successful business. Anyone, of any age can do this business. There are guys who are looking for GILFs, so camming really is open to anyone. hee-hee

My prior careers have been in sales and customer service, so I took that training into camming. Anyone who's ever been in sales knows that keeping notes on your customers is the difference between success and failure. The thing I saw missing on all these sites is 'personalized' attention. Girls are calling the guys by their SM name, i.e. BigDick65 I'm certain there are a lot of other models who ask what he'd like to be called during the show. The difference with me is that after I've signed off I'll spend up to 30 minutes going over my ENTIRE chat stream, adding notes to EVERY person who had a paid show with me (often with a glass of wine in hand). My guys who had a role play, fetish or specific scene to play out, I make notes about the show while it's fresh in my mind. This extra time spent making notes has, over time while building a clientele, is on the way to tripling my original income here. Writing notes isn't the highlight of my day, but I rationalize it as the commute time I would have had if this were a regular job.

Doing this has made me a virtual mistress/courtesan to hundreds of guys on SM.
As soon as they pop into my FREE (or paid) chat I click on my notes, I see my prior posts about my time with them.
Example:
3/15/13 $7-E (exclusive) Mike, c2c, white satin panties & white thigh highs; loves licking pussy
2/02/13 $12-p Mike, from Norway, stockings & heels, licking pussy

In this example, when he comes by a few weeks later Mike's surprised when I mention him by name and tell him my satin panties are at arms reach, and so are my stockings. Does he want white again, or something different? By doing this I'm making him feel special, like I care (which I do, that's why I bother to make the notes).
*Lots of my notes just say PI, for pop-in. They didn't participate or type anything, but they were there checking me out. I like stats, so it's interesting to me how someone who did a pop-in will come back and do an exclusive show with me. Their PI was just a fly by to check me out.

On SM, where it's very fast paced and rather impersonal for the guys. Yet because of my notes I'm perceived to 'get them'. It's become personal. When they pop into an exclusive show with me I'm immediately ready to deliver their fetish or whatever floats their boat. We've a rapport. And it's less stressful for me because my notes prepare me for what they want before they even say a word.

Incantatious, I share your attitude of gratitude. We're so lucky to have a gig like this. Generally I consider myself a sort of therapist for lonely guys, or guys who just aren't getting satisfactory sex from their partner. I perform a valued service that makes guys feel better, and I'm paid VERY handsomely for it. And as we all know, working for ourselves, the days and hours we want, is enviable by 99% of the people of the world..... even by real therapists who are stuck in their offices from 9 to 5 like everyone else.

JoyKitten
04-11-2013, 11:54 PM
;) there IS a difference , perving is acceptable, trolling is not

most of the models feel like they are trolled by other models.

perving is 100% acceptable

basically , bitching about seeing what other models do, we assume a troll is among us. This is my own personal conclusion , others may feel different.

your good if just perving bb

Personally, I do my 'observing' from the public home page, not while signed in as a member.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who tests the water, sees who else is working and how long it's taking those models to be taken private, before I sign on. Maybe I'm the only one who likes to mentally prepare for what I'm up against before I begin working. Is it super slow?, or smokin' hot busy; models complaining about dropped shows or glitches?) For me there's rarely a reason to sign-in as a member, everything I'm curious about is spelled out on the SM public home page.

Just wondering, is watching a fellow models from the public homepage perving or trolling? Or is that only when you're signed in as a member?

ScarletSage
04-12-2013, 12:25 AM
Personally, I do my 'observing' from the public home page, not while signed in as a member.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who tests the water, sees who else is working and how long it's taking those models to be taken private, before I sign on. Maybe I'm the only one who likes to mentally prepare for what I'm up against before I begin working. Is it super slow?, or smokin' hot busy; models complaining about dropped shows or glitches?) For me there's rarely a reason to sign-in as a member, everything I'm curious about is spelled out on the SM public home page.

Just wondering, is watching a fellow models from the public homepage perving or trolling? Or is that only when you're signed in as a member?

I spend most of my free time watching other models on SM, gold shows of popular girls are addicting lol. But I'm not registered, so they don't even now and I'm not registered because GS's are SO cheap that I'm sure I'd buy everytime.
But in my main site, I go to girls' room if I'm bored, and if they say "hi" I tell them that I'm a model and just visiting, if it's okay with her. All of them seemed pleased and chatted with me, and I even bought a group show from a girl, and left when anouther custie came in Even though you are not trolling, some girls may be uncomfortable because of other performer's presence, so I think best solution is to ask for permission, if you don't wanna be seen as rude, troll or bitchy.

TheBrownFox
04-12-2013, 02:22 AM
I think the best way to watch other models (when you don't intend to chat/tip) is to do it in guest mode. Also, I don't feel the need to announce "I'm a model on here too" in another model's room. I know that when models come into my free chat announcing that they're a model too, the first thing that pops into my mind is "OMG, I hope this girl doesn't start advertising herself like that MFC chick did." If you want to let a model know that you're a fellow model on the site, there are other ways to go about it: tell her via tip note (if it's MFC), or tell her via private message or the via the site's messaging system. Guys in her room don't really need to know that there's another female in the room, because you could be unintentionally taking the spotlight away from her by announcing that you're a model too. I know this from experience from when fellow models have visited me on MFC. Half the time guys don't know how to act when they realize there are TWO females in the room, and the next thing you know, they're comparing both models (which is rude as hell) and nagging you that "you two should do a show together." *sigh*