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liquidsilk
04-16-2021, 04:50 AM
Hello, could you please share the "block link" you use as the template to type their ID into? Thank you!

Sure. You need to be signed in on the same browser you open the link in, then after the = you paste their number




eg.



Like so like that.

ETA: ugh the link is blocked. Maybe the mods can allow this one IDK

ETA: ok to go to the normal page smm dot com, then after that add this /flash/blockmember.php?uid= then add the user number

ETA: I hope that is clear enough, also hope It doesn't catch me a ban. In anticipation I would like to add that In my defense your honor I was just tryna help out!

Luci Fer
04-16-2021, 05:03 AM
To cover the cost of potential scam as there country has history of it that’s why.

Damn, it's like..to be responsible for the things you haven't done, because you can't choose where you were born.:(

Sunnylexie
04-16-2021, 05:09 AM
ETA: I hope that is clear enough, also hope It doesn't catch me a ban. In anticipation I would like to add that In my defense your honor I was just tryna help out!

Uh oh. Feel free to delete the post if needed. THank you SO MUCH!

Luci Fer
04-16-2021, 05:11 AM
That would be a good idea! For once we should stand united

I am with you ladies! Agreeing with Vogue, display country was the part of my online persona too, and that change fucked everything up. I'd totally sign under Vogue's long post about the other reasons against that display country rule.
Why not to remove that field at all? Why the hell is it so necessary? They warn us against sharing personal info, but the chat is loaded with individuals asking for your location/number etc now, because country encourages them. Fucking lame. I don't see any logic in it.

Luckygoldfish
04-16-2021, 07:02 AM
I have four theories:
1) SM servers can’t cope with so many models joined in the last year that’s why red bitrate and so on soo they decided to connnect us by regions because it’s 100% better connection if u are closer to someone , English Europeans see me with no problems however Americans often see black screen pixels and so on , so in order to fix that they trying to connect people who sees each other for sure
2) too many discussions on forums what vpn to use what country to choose and so one it’s kind of like we bullshited them (including me lol) so they stopped that
3) some models who were not aware about vpn features were asking SM support “why my neighbour which I can literature see in a window across the street such and such under the US flag is banking as I am making nothing with my 5 Eastern European countries of choice
4) customers “I came to see proper British with posh accent to engage with her in deep conversation
about our purpose of life and she wasn’t pure”

kinkydirtybitch
04-16-2021, 07:09 AM
So are they showing our true nationality now whereas before they would display whatever vpn the performer selected?

Luckygoldfish
04-16-2021, 07:11 AM
So are they showing our true nationality now whereas before they would display whatever vpn the performer selected?

Correct.
However there is still choice of near by countries or countries with similar languages
Vpn won’t work anymore
I had it since January though when I created new account lol so got used to the fact already plus it didn’t affect my earning at all that I can’t choose USA anymore.

MsJess
04-16-2021, 07:13 AM
Yes, same here. why then they don't give a solution? many girls got affected. Is so nice to have the freedom like in other sites to choose where you wanna be from... Anyways, if a customer doesn't like an accent or whatever, he can just jump to other rooms. and the model who claim to be from a country where the main language is English but she doesn't speak? well, her lost. But for real, is enough already that some of us are getting only 30% of our earnings just For making part of some countries, At least other sites pay to their models same percentage, 30%, 35% or 50% to all, is not like: oh, because you live here we will give you only 30%, why not be fair and pay 35% to all of us? We work the same hours, we have families to feed, taxes etc etc doesn't matter where you are located, all of us should have the same rights. Why other sites do that and not SM? and now controlling the place where we need to be from. yeah, I feel judged.

This, THIS!!!! so bad :( !!
WE also pay taxes, why not give us an equal treatment to all of us hard working models?
We ALL deserve american traffic, why show only american models first in the US when you could make a mix, like always?
European traffic is horrible, not only they spend very little but they don't have the propper manners or cam etiquette, we have to start all over bu training this guys, trying to explain the same stuff over and over and this is consuming
If I'm gonna have to start over, I rather start somewhere else that doesn't discriminate me like this and gives me less money just cebause I'm from CO/RO or PH.
I've been in this site since 2005 and I'm actually starting to feel like i have to leave it for good (I know very well they don't care), I'd like to go to a site that treats us better, i have a TON of favourites and that's what's been halping me, I've been making money from my all time regs, out of 100% of my members 5-10% are new guys coming into my chat, that's giving me very low chances to have new regs or whales. This has to change.
I read one of you saying we should stop logging in, yeah but what about the thousands of models working from a studio, they will never stop logging in and if there's one model wanting to stop logging for a while, another new one will come. We are disposable and replaceable for this sites.
I feel so bad for this, this sites dont know how much they affect us, I've had more anxiety since they changed the whole set up and distribution of models. This is what we do for a living, this is our food on the table, why play with us like this, i feel absolutely devastated. Sorry for venting.

Luckygoldfish
04-16-2021, 07:18 AM
This, THIS!!!! so bad :( !!
WE also pay taxes, why not give us an equal treatment to all of us hard working models?
We ALL deserve american traffic, why show only american models first in the US when you could make a mix, like always?
European traffic is horrible, not only they spend very little but they don't have the propper manners or cam etiquette, we have to start all over bu training this guys, trying to explain the same stuff over and over and this is consuming
If I'm gonna have to start over, I rather start somewhere else that doesn't discriminate me like this and gives me less money just cebause I'm from CO/RO or PH.
I've been in this site since 2005 and I'm actually starting to feel like i have to leave it for good (I know very well they don't care), I'd like to go to a site that treats us better, i have a TON of favourites and that's what's been halping me, I've been making money from my all time regs, out of 100% of my members 5-10% are new guys coming into my chat, that's giving me very low chances to have new regs or whales. This has to change.
I read one of you saying we should stop logging in, yeah but what about the thousands of models working from a studio, they will never stop logging in and if there's one model wanting to stop logging for a while, another new one will come. We are disposable and replaceable for this sites.
I feel so bad for this, this sites dont know how much they affect us, I've had more anxiety since they changed the whole set up and distribution of models. This is what we do for a living, this is our food on the table, why play with us like this, i feel absolutely devastated. Sorry for venting.
You are right.
Stopped logging in won’t help. Out of thousands of models only small % used vpn and more new models coming everyday they don’t know any better so they won’t complain

Luckygoldfish
04-16-2021, 07:20 AM
Yes so with an ID document from the UK on file you get access to UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and British Virgin Islands. I don't think it's about being closer, as NZ and AUS are as far from the UK as it is possible to be. Language makes more sense than location given the options I have. When I ran a VPN USA was added to the list, but I haven't tried that in a long time. I didn't use it to change my display location, but just to see what happened out of curiosity.

Primarily language and near by countries. I got Denmark in my list lol even though I got ID of English speaking country . They give fair choices so if u want to be far from UK for safety reasons You can choose NZ

And what has happened? Traffic got better? Or remain the same?

Lolaki
04-16-2021, 07:23 AM
If I'm gonna have to start over, I rather start somewhere else that doesn't discriminate me like this and gives me less money just cebause I'm from CO/RO or PH.

This! I have exactly the same feelings and thoughts. And I have already messaged those thoughts And you are right! They don't give a S***t about their European partners.

Lolaki
04-16-2021, 07:25 AM
You are right.
Stopped logging in won’t help. Out of thousands of models only small % used vpn and more new models coming everyday they don’t know any better so they won’t complain

Ok, sure, but how we can fight it? Any ideas?

Luckygoldfish
04-16-2021, 07:37 AM
Ok, sure, but how we can fight it? Any ideas?

I did my fight battle with different SM support representatives in January. I consider to be a top model with high earnings and nothing helped me. Nothing at all. They didn’t care how much I make and if I would leave so I am sorry I personally think it’s nothing u can do. U can try though . It would t hurt

liquidsilk
04-16-2021, 07:51 AM
Weird part is even with this gatekeeping of USA location, if you sort by location right now, there are 279 models online in US/CA/UK/AUS and 133 of them are 'you know what'. That's over 47% ��
If you narrow down to teen 18+ it's 38 out of the 45 models online.

Luckygoldfish
04-16-2021, 07:56 AM
Weird part is even with this gatekeeping of USA location, if you sort by location right now, there are 279 models online in US/CA/UK/AUS and 133 of them are 'you know what'. That's over 47% ��
If you narrow down to teen 18+ it's 38 out of the 45 models online.

And now narrow it down even more by finding those who are just sleeping in dark rooms :D
SM won’t survive on American models which gives a hope that everyone will still get fair amount of traffic
Lots of Russian, Spanish, Columbia’s and ect models took places in last contest top 10 top 20 top 50 and ect so there is still
Life beyond USA/UK location

liquidsilk
04-16-2021, 08:09 AM
I have another theory from your 4, I don't think its location for server shuffling (UK/NZ being an option when they are so far) and I don't think its for customers wanting deep and meaningful conversation in a voice without an accent (The 38/45 don't speak at all).

What I think is very tricky to say without offending. I do not think this is fair or right, nor is it really my view. I just think this from the perspective of a company who's main objective is to make money. Please I mean no offence and I am not generalising here and I am open to lots of other opinion. This is just the most capitalist reason I could think of.

Statistically, models working in countries with lower cost of living, may, on average, charge lower prices than customers from countries with a higher cost of living. Put this with a location to match customers with a higher disposable income and you have rich customers spending less than they could otherwise be encouraged to. By advertising models from countries with a higher cost of living, who may, on average be charging higher prices, to the customers from countries, with on average a higher disposable income, the customers end up spending more.

It is the only way I could get my head around why they might have thought this was a good idea in any way. I'm not saying that I or any of us agree that it is a good idea or a fair idea, but if some one somewhere signed off on this knowing how much chaos it would cause then it must come down to money somewhere.

Either that or it is some kind of international compliance thing to do with card processing or legal reasons which is going over all of our heads.

Luckygoldfish
04-16-2021, 08:17 AM
I have another theory from your 4, I don't think its location for server shuffling (UK/NZ being an option when they are so far) and I don't think its for customers wanting deep and meaningful conversation in a voice without an accent (The 38/45 don't speak at all).

What I think is very tricky to say without offending. I do not think this is fair or right, nor is it really my view. I just think this from the perspective of a company who's main objective is to make money. Please I mean no offence and I am not generalising here and I am open to lots of other opinion. This is just the most capitalist reason I could think of.

Statistically, models working in countries with lower cost of living, may, on average, charge lower prices than customers from countries with a higher cost of living. Put this with a location to match customers with a higher disposable income and you have rich men spending less than they could otherwise be encouraged to. By advertising models from countries with a higher cost of living, who may, on average be charging higher prices, to the customers from countries, with on average a higher disposable income, the customers end up spending more.

It is the only way I could get my head around why they might have thought this was a good idea in any way.
Good theory about prices / and ability of customers to pay , plus make sense sending Spanish traffic to Spanish speaking girls and french to french and so on. Now realistically Spanish traffic is 99% freeloaders lol and Europeans are much more reasonable (cheap) lol these Dutch people I keep getting on my room never fucking pay :D so dunno how it’s going y work out for them
Yeah my favourite saying is SM is a business which owes us nothing and do what they think is the best to make more $$$$ for them. However u have to agree not only US and such girls have the abilities to get money out of rich costumers and engaged in deep conversation , I am pretty sure whoever earned money stilll will be able to make the same money regardless the country.
Disagree about accent mine is strong ;) still doing well

liquidsilk
04-16-2021, 08:27 AM
Good theory
Yeah my favourite saying is SM is a business which owes us nothing and do what they think is the best to make more $$$$ for them. However u have to agree not only US and such girls have the abilities to get money out of rich costumers and engaged in deep conversation , I am pretty sure whoever earned money stilll will be able to make the same money regardless the country.
Disagree about accent mine is strong ;) still doing well

Yeah accents are hella sexy. So why take good money out of these girls rooms when most of them speak great english! Make it make sense streamate.

Luckygoldfish
04-16-2021, 08:34 AM
Yeah accents are hella sexy. So why take good money out of these girls rooms when most of them speak great english! Make it make sense streamate.

Well according to latest contest they didn’t take a traffic away as there are many non English speaking counties in the top . I think ur placement for customers remain pretty much the same just a country change . Now those who are looking for pure British and such have more chances to actually find (unless they come to me lol) but to be honest I am sure most don’t choose by location they just click on catchy snapshots tits bums regardless the location .

KittenGirl
04-16-2021, 08:35 AM
Wait a minute... streamate doesn't give a fair 35% to all models? Did i read that right?

liquidsilk
04-16-2021, 08:36 AM
no I mean now with the new settings. Someone said their income dropped 99%, They could have been flying high in contests before but now it's so bad that they lost the traffic like that.

MsJess
04-16-2021, 08:41 AM
Wait a minute... streamate doesn't give a fair 35% to all models? Did i read that right?

Tier II countries get 30%

liquidsilk
04-16-2021, 08:44 AM
Well according to latest contest they didn’t take a traffic away as there are many non English speaking counties in the top . I think ur placement for customers remain pretty much the same just a country change . Now those who are looking for pure British and such have more chances to actually find (unless they come to me lol) but to be honest I am sure most don’t choose by location they just click on catchy snapshots tits bums regardless the location .


I don't think it had started before the last contest I think most models had the big switchover this week but I might be wrong about that

Luckygoldfish
04-16-2021, 08:45 AM
no I mean now with the new settings. Someone said their income dropped 99%, They could have been flying high in contests before but now it's so bad that they lost the traffic like that.

No these girls in contests never used vpn they were always listed RU, Spain ect means there is still reasonable traffic for these countries and new settings came to life for many models couple months ago . It’s just finished recently.

liquidsilk
04-16-2021, 08:47 AM
ah yeah that makes sense.

Lolaki
04-16-2021, 08:53 AM
Statistically, models working in countries with lower cost of living, may, on average, charge lower prices than customers from countries with a higher cost of living. Put this with a location to match customers with a higher disposable income and you have rich customers spending less than they could otherwise be encouraged to. By advertising models from countries with a higher cost of living, who may, on average be charging higher prices, to the customers from countries, with on average a higher disposable income, the customers end up spending more.

Living in the EU doesn't mean cost of living is lower, not im most European countries at least...

Either that or it is some kind of international compliance thing to do with card processing or legal reasons which is going over all of our heads.[/QUOTE]

I hear that, however they cannot change the rules for old mondels any time they want. What if in a few months they ask us to show on cam our real ID and address because of any legal reasons?

liquidsilk
04-16-2021, 08:59 AM
Statistically, models working in countries with lower cost of living, may, on average, charge lower prices than customers from countries with a higher cost of living. Put this with a location to match customers with a higher disposable income and you have rich customers spending less than they could otherwise be encouraged to. By advertising models from countries with a higher cost of living, who may, on average be charging higher prices, to the customers from countries, with on average a higher disposable income, the customers end up spending more.



Either that or it is some kind of international compliance thing to do with card processing or legal reasons which is going over all of our heads.
I hear that, however they cannot change the rules for old mondels any time they want. What if in a few months they ask us to show on cam our real ID and address because of any legal reasons?[/QUOTE]

Living in the EU doesn't mean cost of living is lower, not im most European countries at least...
I know that, that is why I qualified it with 'may' and 'on average' I am just trying to understand why this would benefit anyone and it is the only thing that I thought they could be thinking at SM


I hear that, however they cannot change the rules for old mondels any time they want
They can, it is in our contract

What if in a few months they ask us to show on cam our real ID and address because of any legal reasons?
Mastercard would probably love that. They just changed up their compliance rules this week, and it could be a real requirement to video verify with an admin at site before every stream if it keeps going the way it is.

KittenGirl
04-16-2021, 09:02 AM
I totally agree with you ladies, I think it's really unfair to pay only 30% for some performers just because they are from a "tier 2" country. If our work is the same quality, then why can't we earn the same? If they want to distinguish, they should do that by the quality of work imo. That 5 percent does matter in the end of the day/week/month.

In addition, when customers see our flags some of them can judge us negatively, like " she surely doesnt speak English, she must be cheap etc." I wish we could choose any country as a displayed country.

Not just that, but lowering a country's percentage is discrimination!!

KittenGirl
04-16-2021, 09:07 AM
This is somewhat understandable, but I think collective punishment is not the best solution. Maybe after a few months of quality work and no scam our percent could be raised. It could function as a trial period

It's true. It's irresponsible of Streamate to punish their workers over scammers. Literally every site I'm a part of, they'll implement NEW strategies and technology to deal with problematic scammers and bots. But streamate places the hammer on their models. They're already taking enough from us. How about they use that dough to improve the site and experience for everyone instead of giving out $10,000 in contest cash every other second

seicento
04-16-2021, 09:07 AM
AW has been doing this location/nationality for ages, I've been dealing with it years ago. The reason being that models were trying to deceive members. SM probably had the same reason to implement this. Personally, it doesn't bother me because when using US/UK as a location, I could only deal with "do you meet bb" only for a few days, I don't have the patience to hustle those guys.

The traffic is indeed different for EU and I think the servers too, so maybe now they make it fair and send the same amount of traffic to everyone (I doubt but one can dream lol). Also, if they now make it fair for customers, make it fair for all the performers and pay us all 35% because most EU performers are on the site to work and make a living, not to commit fraud.

liquidsilk
04-16-2021, 09:11 AM
AW has been doing this location/nationality for ages, I've been dealing with it years ago. The reason being that models were trying to deceive members. SM probably had the same reason to implement this. Personally, it doesn't bother me because when using US/UK as a location, I could only deal with "do you meet bb" only for a few days, I don't have the patience to hustle those guys.

The traffic is indeed different for EU and I think the servers too, so maybe now they make it fair and send the same amount of traffic to everyone (I doubt but one can dream lol). Also, if they now make it fair for customers, make it fair for all the performers and pay us all 35% because most EU performers are on the site to work and make a living, not to commit fraud.


I think adultwork were coming at it from a different angle, in that their scammers were more on the excorting side than the camming side. From AWs perspective all accounts are treated the same whether you offer cam or meets. That is why their infamous postbox/newspaper/plugsocket selfies are a thing for verification.

AuroraJade
04-16-2021, 09:12 AM
West EU customers dont spend as Americans do. They are stingy as fuck. Except Scandinavians. Love them, very generous and polite.

I have a feeling its from complaints from xenophobic customers. And please dont take this the wrong way. I love the USA and y'all there (lol!). But as an European model, some of these guys dont know like anything about the world outside their little bubble. They think we can't speak English and are clueless, while the truth is the most of us are multilingual.......

Western Europe gets the 35% by the way, I am happy with that. Luckily. I think its asinine that there are countries that get a smaller percentage. Ridiculous. COL in Europe is maybe even HIGHER than in the USA, LOL. Rent here is 1500-2000$/month in most places too (calculated from Euros). Food is more expensive than in the USA. Restaurants, clothing, makeup, groceries, cars, gas, electronics, all more expensive here, plus we get taxed out of our ass up to more than 50% for the highest incomes, income tax only. The only difference is the 'free healthcare and childcare' and 'free college' Americans all seem to think we get which we don't, lol. I am always jealous when I see the prices of stuff on the websites of Walmart and Target. Yeah, COL is lower when you are out in the sticks in Romania but its also lower when you are out in the sticks in Texas.

I say, yes start a petition. I will sign it proudly!

Luckygoldfish
04-16-2021, 09:14 AM
It's true. It's irresponsible of Streamate to punish their workers over scammers. Literally every site I'm a part of, they'll implement NEW strategies and technology to deal with problematic scammers and bots. But streamate places the hammer on their models. They're already taking enough from us. How about they use that dough to improve the site and experience for everyone instead of giving out $10,000 in contest cash every other second
:D naaaaah . let’s keep that it’s huge income for them too lol they are making huge money it’s not charity for models and keep models motivated every company does that lol they profit massively from contests )

KittenGirl
04-16-2021, 09:24 AM
This, THIS!!!! so bad :( !!
WE also pay taxes, why not give us an equal treatment to all of us hard working models?
We ALL deserve american traffic, why show only american models first in the US when you could make a mix, like always?
European traffic is horrible, not only they spend very little but they don't have the propper manners or cam etiquette, we have to start all over bu training this guys, trying to explain the same stuff over and over and this is consuming
If I'm gonna have to start over, I rather start somewhere else that doesn't discriminate me like this and gives me less money just cebause I'm from CO/RO or PH.
I've been in this site since 2005 and I'm actually starting to feel like i have to leave it for good (I know very well they don't care), I'd like to go to a site that treats us better, i have a TON of favourites and that's what's been halping me, I've been making money from my all time regs, out of 100% of my members 5-10% are new guys coming into my chat, that's giving me very low chances to have new regs or whales. This has to change.
I read one of you saying we should stop logging in, yeah but what about the thousands of models working from a studio, they will never stop logging in and if there's one model wanting to stop logging for a while, another new one will come. We are disposable and replaceable for this sites.
I feel so bad for this, this sites dont know how much they affect us, I've had more anxiety since they changed the whole set up and distribution of models. This is what we do for a living, this is our food on the table, why play with us like this, i feel absolutely devastated. Sorry for venting.

Girl I'm so sorry you're dealing with this. If you feel like Streamate has used and abused you for the last time I would definitely look into other options. I understand your frustration, and you have EVERY RIGHT to feel that way.

I'm in the US, so I'm very fortunate. However, seeing how poorly my fellow girls are getting treated is unacceptable to me. I've been considering going solo for a while and I finally made the jump to do it.

You see, where I live, my state takes an additional 10% of taxes because I'm an independent contractor. So I pay 35% in taxes. So with what streamate takes from me (65%), for every $1 a customer pays me I actually don't make a damn cent. That's why my rates had to be so high.

But have you considered going solo? I had a lot of regulars find me on social media (I didn't give out my name, they just found me) and I was finally able to cater to a fetish i actually enjoy and so do they; pissing shows and videos. I made $300 in 2 hours.

Have you considered trying to go solo? Regardless, I wish you so much luck. I'm slowly getting off streamate.

KittenGirl
04-16-2021, 09:28 AM
The biggest way to fight something this massive is to leave, imo. OR we can all stand in solidarity and have a sign in the back about it on our live streams.

I implore every girl to research what Mind Geek has done to the porn industry. This could be why we're all getting abused. I think it's the time to go independent

TooNiceToHustle
04-16-2021, 11:34 AM
The man who nearly killed me and my girlfriend found and met her through a camsite.

54712

moneybags
04-16-2021, 12:00 PM
I definitely feel privileged right now. This is structural racism at work. I’m sorry ladies.

I know SM is easier it terms of not advertising, but you might be able to make much more if you work independently. I need to start looking at other sites to, so I don’t become dependent on SM as my main source of income.

JustMilfnAround
04-16-2021, 12:02 PM
Jeeezzzuuuussss... Just when I was thinking about going back to Streamate as a domme after I heal from my hysterectomy I pop in and read all of this. I'm so sorry ladies - this is all absolute crap. These sites never change or improve, they just get worse and worse and harder to work. I don't understand why they can't just leave well enough alone if things are working and everyone is making money. They are always trying "changes" to see if they can make more while screwing us all in the process.... I'm just hoping this bites them in the ass too.

Guess I'll get back online and keep looking for a shitty vanilla job that will barely cover my mortgage.... It's hard watching an industry that lifted me out of poverty/debt and enabled me to actually buy a home just crash and burn like this.

Good luck to all of you....

kamiliam
04-16-2021, 12:11 PM
Just going to point out that by next year you may not want to be considered an USA model, we may be all considered employees. But then you could strike. I’m big into the labor movement but we are not employees and what is your bargaining with a strike? I am not saying you aren’t in the right, just that they have no obligation not to remove us from the site whenever they want. It is all in the TOS.

The MasterCard decision does I’m sure have something to do with this. False identification could be a problem as well as having employees monitoring our streams who are fluent in another language. Independent camming will be effected more then the big box sites.

The 30/35 needs to be addressed ASAP regardless, it is just discriminatory

AcidYellow
04-16-2021, 01:06 PM
Hello again. I agree with the 30/35 and is like that, discriminatory. The scam ( can be done worldwide) or the chargebacks can be covered with the percentage they get. And before they were doing the thing like sending the french traffic to France, brazilians to Brasil and so on, guess maybe they want to do the same with the other languages/countries. So if they want to send Spanish traffic to all the spanish speakers, well, Idk but can be very chaotic because like someone mentioned before, the majority are freeloaders, non spenders and so on... Im bilingual so spanish is one of them. So imagine have to rely from this traffic from now on.. we can start earning way less. In the old days, I used to have french and some german customers, gooood spenders, but since Sm started to send this traffic mostly to their native speakers, I almost never again got people from there so it affected my income. Now, if they want to do this with the other countries, well, I dont wanna imagine. Since changes, my earnings went lower and they think my rates are unfair cuz I belong to a country where currency is different than dollar. Changing my country before helped me to get better customers, more shows and better/fair high rates, now: Do u speak english? Do this for me nowˇ so agressive, then the quality of clients went to shit. Im already on a few indy sites but income is once in a while. Im not a top earner but before changes 150$ day, now? 40$ in these last 3 days. Is just frustrating. Lets see if the site has been slow because all these changes and can go back to normal soon. This week slow plus next one running a contest? Oh well.

CamModel95
04-16-2021, 01:09 PM
The man who nearly killed me and my girlfriend found and met her through a camsite.

54712

Is this real post? Where's the message coming from? Please PM :-*

TheBrownFox
04-16-2021, 01:14 PM
They're saying they've reactivated my old account, but they're including "XXX" in my name. Wtf. Yeah, um...NO, that's not happening. I want the same name I use on all my other sites...even if they have to make some of the letters uppercase. I'm not offering dildo penetration shows like I used to...vibrator will be the only toy I use. I don't want want triple XXX in my name. *Eye roll* If this is something they won't work with me on, I'll just stick to MyFreeCams and ManyVids Live like I've been doing.

liquidsilk
04-16-2021, 01:15 PM
It's on the sm discord

Lolaki
04-16-2021, 01:28 PM
Correct.
However there is still choice of near by countries or countries with similar languages
Vpn won’t work anymore
I had it since January though when I created new account lol so got used to the fact already plus it didn’t affect my earning at all that I can’t choose USA anymore.

There is a choice of near by countries but not countries with same language!!!! All nearby countries in my case speak completely different languages

MsJess
04-16-2021, 01:36 PM
Hello again. I agree with the 30/35 and is like that, discriminatory. The scam ( can be done worldwide) or the chargebacks can be covered with the percentage they get. And before they were doing the thing like sending the french traffic to France, brazilians to Brasil and so on, guess maybe they want to do the same with the other languages/countries. So if they want to send Spanish traffic to all the spanish speakers, well, Idk but can be very chaotic because like someone mentioned before, the majority are freeloaders, non spenders and so on... Im bilingual so spanish is one of them. So imagine have to rely from this traffic from now on.. we can start earning way less. In the old days, I used to have french and some german customers, gooood spenders, but since Sm started to send this traffic mostly to their native speakers, I almost never again got people from there so it affected my income. Now, if they want to do this with the other countries, well, I dont wanna imagine. Since changes, my earnings went lower and they think my rates are unfair cuz I belong to a country where currency is different than dollar. Changing my country before helped me to get better customers, more shows and better/fair high rates, now: Do u speak english? Do this for me nowˇ so agressive, then the quality of clients went to shit. Im already on a few indy sites but income is once in a while. Im not a top earner but before changes 150$ day, now? 40$ in these last 3 days. Is just frustrating. Lets see if the site has been slow because all these changes and can go back to normal soon. This week slow plus next one running a contest? Oh well.

Same to ALL of this, I requested to have a location change like a month a go, they denied it saying: try to use the other countries that appear on the list: ok right, I speak english and spanish both fluently, nothing else, the other countries on my list are Italy, Portugal, Germany, WTF? I don't speak these languages, i tried to switch for a while to France, i got mostly FRENCH customers and guess how many, it was draining to try to use the translator every freaking time they said a word lmao, so i got back to my original location, see whats crazy here is that not even the country from my ID appears on the list, which is fine, cause they have that country blocked since I work on this site, years a years back, there's no traffic from this country at all since the site opened. I don't really think a petition would work, cause I'm really starting to think that they are doing this for legal reasons so I'm trying to promote my cammodel link more bla bla and ofc It's been years since i do Indy shows which help but hey, it's not the same anymore. Also, It would be really nice if SM added a spoken language feature, that could fix a bit of our problems.

But honestly, this discriminatory % needs to end, we all deserve equal %! we all pay taxes! It doesn't matter if someone is paying less rent, food, services or whatever, that's not an excuse.


Girl I'm so sorry you're dealing with this. If you feel like Streamate has used and abused you for the last time I would definitely look into other options. I understand your frustration, and you have EVERY RIGHT to feel that way.


I'm in the US, so I'm very fortunate. However, seeing how poorly my fellow girls are getting treated is unacceptable to me. I've been considering going solo for a while and I finally made the jump to do it.


You see, where I live, my state takes an additional 10% of taxes because I'm an independent contractor. So I pay 35% in taxes. So with what streamate takes from me (65%), for every $1 a customer pays me I actually don't make a damn cent. That's why my rates had to be so high.


But have you considered going solo? I had a lot of regulars find me on social media (I didn't give out my name, they just found me) and I was finally able to cater to a fetish i actually enjoy and so do they; pissing shows and videos. I made $300 in 2 hours.


Have you considered trying to go solo? Regardless, I wish you so much luck. I'm slowly getting off streamate.

Thank you xoxo Ya we all pay diff ammounts in taxes, I can completely understand you girls, I have family in the US and i know how expensive can be, I've always been really happy you girls get 35% We just wish we could have that extra 5% for US also :(
I do skype shows, sell vids, etc. But SM is my main site, for now, cause that might change very soon.

Lolaki
04-16-2021, 01:59 PM
[QUOTE=MsJess;3222336]This, THIS!!!! so bad :( !!
WE also pay taxes, why not give us an equal treatment to all of us hard working models?
We ALL deserve american traffic, why show only american models first in the US when you could make a mix, like always?
European traffic is horrible, not only they spend very little but they don't have the propper manners or cam etiquette, we have to start all over bu training this guys, trying to explain the same stuff over and over and this is consuming
If I'm gonna have to start over, I rather start somewhere else that doesn't discriminate me like this and gives me less money just cebause I'm from CO/RO or PH.
I've been in this site since 2005 and I'm actually starting to feel like i have to leave it for good (I know very well they don't care), I'd like to go to a site that treats us better, i have a TON of favourites and that's what's been halping me, I've been making money from my all time regs, out of 100% of my members 5-10% are new guys coming into my chat, that's giving me very low chances to have new regs or whales. This has to change.
I read one of you saying we should stop logging in, yeah but what about the thousands of models working from a studio, they will never stop logging in and if there's one model wanting to stop logging for a while, another new one will come. We are disposable and replaceable for this sites.


I was also one of them who said that. And I didn't mean it like a "revenge". I said it mostly because as you mentioned, if I have to start over, I'd rather start over on a new site that is treating us equally, not making discriminations and dont ruin our business all out of the sudden. If I have to built a new online persona and start from strach, why do it somewhere where I have already established my self and they took it way from me?
I hate that I have to face this change, especially during a pandemic that is limiting my options.But mostly I refuse to work anymore for those who did not respect me and my small contribution in earnings on their platform. Those who make those decisions that affect our lives need to double check before they implement something new, even ask our opinions. Not value only their customers but their partners as well. Even in vanilla industrιes, happy employes/partners, bring more happy customers/spenders.
So yes, staying away from this platform for a while untill things change or leaving it for good and find a new one, is the only option they give me. I know different people have different opinions and I value all of them. Everyone knows what is best for themselves and if you feel like you want to work for their profit even after they have treated us like that, is your choice. I have made my decision, no matter how hard is going to be.
Beyond earnings it has to do with our dignity after all. I feel that if I keep working for/with those who treated me like I am disposable not valuable to them, I will lose my dignity and no, I won't give them the satisfuction that they "will play the piano and I ll dance"..

TooNiceToHustle
04-16-2021, 02:04 PM
Is this real post? Where's the message coming from? Please PM :-*
I cannot give the invite as it is a private server, but if you go to your messages from streamate from Feb 24th there is a mesage titled "Streamate Models Refresher" and the link is in the last section.
Alternatively email support to send it to you, if you didn't work there yet in Feb.

I had permission to share from my gf who is the OP.

KittenGirl
04-16-2021, 02:09 PM
The man who nearly killed me and my girlfriend found and met her through a camsite.

54712

AMAZING ������well done

KittenGirl
04-16-2021, 02:10 PM
Jeeezzzuuuussss... Just when I was thinking about going back to Streamate as a domme after I heal from my hysterectomy I pop in and read all of this. I'm so sorry ladies - this is all absolute crap. These sites never change or improve, they just get worse and worse and harder to work. I don't understand why they can't just leave well enough alone if things are working and everyone is making money. They are always trying "changes" to see if they can make more while screwing us all in the process.... I'm just hoping this bites them in the ass too.

Guess I'll get back online and keep looking for a shitty vanilla job that will barely cover my mortgage.... It's hard watching an industry that lifted me out of poverty/debt and enabled me to actually buy a home just crash and burn like this.

Good luck to all of you....

Don't give up! Go independent!!! Literally! I use to be a Domme and made way more money off cam sites! There's still hope. YOU can really be your own boss!

LeilaB
04-16-2021, 02:19 PM
I generally love SM, but ever since the beginning ( I started camming in 2020 nov) it has been hurting me and I've been thinking about why our work (models from tier II countries) "worth less" then other performers' work? It's discriminatory and very unfair, because we are also doing our best every day, investing in camming stuff, paying taxes, paying for living etc.
I think we shouldnt be treated as potential scammers just because we were born in a country with a bad reputation.

In addition, my country has the highest VAT rate in the world, so I wouldnt say that life is cheaper in these countries... :D

I also support the idea of the petition, we have to work together for this goal. I hope our voices will be heard, and this 30/35% will change!