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Ohh I have an high consummation of lube LOL. each week 200ml anal need. Coconut oil is a great savvy alternative? Tks :P help sis here.
The only one try to change outfit and end with same bc it is the most turning on from clients. I mean business get always better LOL. I try to change for something classy lace black stockings. It's just me?
andreaxchanel
11-06-2021, 06:10 AM
Yesterday was amazing!!! I've gotten my mental health meds straightened out and finally decided to start showing up for myself with my cam and content hours no matter what. Welp...I got my very first $100 tip+ more off of one customer, a new customer at that. I was sitting for like 3 hours with $2.10 and then wham. LOA ladies. I know that y'all know lol. It WORKS! Traffic def was picking up as well, but the ebb and flow, just gotta stick with it. Don't give up. I spend a lot of time sharing in excitement for a lot of you ladies in your whale posts as if they're my wins as well, and it finally happened for me in real time. To me, that was definitely a sign that more great things are on the horizon!
56151
Miss_ShaSha
11-06-2021, 07:43 AM
Yesterday was amazing!!! I've gotten my mental health meds straightened out and finally decided to start showing up for myself with my cam and content hours no matter what. Welp...I got my very first $100 tip+ more off of one customer, a new customer at that. I was sitting for like 3 hours with $2.10 and then wham. LOA ladies. I know that y'all know lol. It WORKS! Traffic def was picking up as well, but the ebb and flow, just gotta stick with it. Don't give up. I spend a lot of time sharing in excitement for a lot of you ladies in your whale posts as if they're my wins as well, and it finally happened for me in real time. To me, that was definitely a sign that more great things are on the horizon!
56151
Yessssss! Ask. Believe. Receive. Yup yup!!!
FloridaSunDoll
11-06-2021, 08:56 AM
Yesterday was amazing!!! I've gotten my mental health meds straightened out and finally decided to start showing up for myself with my cam and content hours no matter what. Welp...I got my very first $100 tip+ more off of one customer, a new customer at that. I was sitting for like 3 hours with $2.10 and then wham. LOA ladies. I know that y'all know lol. It WORKS! Traffic def was picking up as well, but the ebb and flow, just gotta stick with it. Don't give up. I spend a lot of time sharing in excitement for a lot of you ladies in your whale posts as if they're my wins as well, and it finally happened for me in real time. To me, that was definitely a sign that more great things are on the horizon!
56151
you STFO and it paid off!! You’re a money magnet!
bigbum
11-06-2021, 09:01 PM
Yesterday was amazing!!! I've gotten my mental health meds straightened out and finally decided to start showing up for myself with my cam and content hours no matter what. Welp...I got my very first $100 tip+ more off of one customer, a new customer at that. I was sitting for like 3 hours with $2.10 and then wham. LOA ladies. I know that y'all know lol. It WORKS! Traffic def was picking up as well, but the ebb and flow, just gotta stick with it. Don't give up. I spend a lot of time sharing in excitement for a lot of you ladies in your whale posts as if they're my wins as well, and it finally happened for me in real time. To me, that was definitely a sign that more great things are on the horizon!
56151
congrats! and many more to come!!!!
roseforarose
11-07-2021, 06:49 AM
Question: what do you ladies feel about impregnation fetishes? I use to not mind them. But lately it feels incredibly invasive and too personal. The client seems like they start actually believing you want it and are unable to differentiate between fantasy and reality. I think it's because they always have this "inject and leave" mindset that it almost comes off as nonchalant abuse, rapist and entitlement mindset. I've limited a lot of things because they're starting to become uncomfortable for me. Like BBC fetish and BBC cuckolding. For the last several months, it's like I can't just have a black man who wants to act normal with it. He wants me to belittle other races, worship him as supreme, act like I cheated on my husband with him, or ask me if I "only like black dick." Which is hard, because I'll say yes for the money but in free chat I like all dicks and don't want to be called a lying bitch. I've been a little emotionally taxed lately and I'm not sure what to do.
I only started doing impregnation fantasy stuff last year, but have never had a moral issue with it. However I've never done any race okay of any sort, including BBC. I find it annoying and sad when people fetishize races (their own or others, idc) and the people insistent on it are either a) very racist and pretending to be black or b) annoying as hell lol. I ban people who ask or say anything even vaguely sketchy or with racial undertones towards me.
For any questions about dicks (size, race, whatever) I just tell them the truth I don't have any racial preference, which means I'd like their dick no matter their race (they're usually happy enough with that answer), and for size I'm happy with average. Don't like massive dicks and I'm not about to lie about it then bruise my cervix for some guy lol
LeilaB
11-07-2021, 07:43 AM
Ohh I have an high consummation of lube LOL. each week 200ml anal need. Coconut oil is a great savvy alternative? Tks :P help sis here.
Laurielegs suggested organic coconut oil in this thread, and that works so well! It helps prevent yeast infection as well, as it has an antibacterial effect. In the long run it's cheaper than the regular lube, and I struggled a lot with yeast infection before but ever since I've been using coconut oil, I haven't had this problem. It's definitely worth trying. :)
Laurilegs suggested organic coconut oil in this thread, and that works so well! It helps prevent yeast infection as well, as it has an antibacterial effect. In the long run it's cheaper than the regular lube, and I struggled a lot with yeast infection before but ever since I've been using coconut oil, I haven't had this problem. It's definitely worth trying. :)
Yes, I brought and I started today to use seems great. Ty.
looklovely
11-07-2021, 01:41 PM
I'm getting an influx of customers sitting in free chat, and not responding to verbal or written questions. Typically, I kick them out but unsure if it's a connection issue, so I've been logging off/on quickly to remove them. If they're going to sit, why not just log out of their account. So annoying and creepy!
Luci Fer
11-07-2021, 03:01 PM
Or I have this member that still comes, 4 years later, to remind me how he has naked videos with me that he keeps watching. It's annoying but I play cool and act impressed and cocky, only to shut him up. He hates to see me so confident, he has no idea I am dying inside and he makes me feel like shit and that deep inside myself he loses his stupid computer and has all of his porn collection erased :)).
oh my god, it must be sooo special lol, he 's probably so proud of himself. Nude videos in 21th century is almost the new normal, and he acts like he has a vid of you having all kinds of perversions with an elephant. What a kindergarten! ;D
Marina Starr
11-07-2021, 03:31 PM
This is one of mine biggest pet peeves next to 'hi' for attention then immediately leave. Sometimes it's connection issue but a lot of times they're just straight up rude. I don't say hi first unless they're regulars. If they just stared I will kick. Some will come right back and do it all over. They'll quickly won't be able to do so in my room. I do not like or want to be stared at in sillence. I hate that awkward feeling like I'm an animal at the fucking zoo.
I have a preset that I spam with the words 'tv channel' (I stole from Carmen):
'Do NOT stare in slience. I am NOT a tv channel!' or 'Please don't say 'hi' for attention then immediately leave. Just leave in SILENCE is PREFERRED!'.
It can't get any clearer than that. If they failed at reading = BLOCKED. I just don't have patience for stupidity or fuckery.
I'm getting an influx of customers sitting in free chat, and not responding to verbal or written questions. Typically, I kick them out but unsure if it's a connection issue, so I've been logging off/on quickly to remove them. If they're going to sit, why not just log out of their account. So annoying and creepy!
liquidsilk
11-07-2021, 04:36 PM
I just let them stay. We have a silent agreement that they are fine to hang out and make up numbers just stfu and enjoy the show. I'll remind them if they get annoying and 99% seem to understand 1st time that if they can't tip they might as well just do their best to make the place look lit so then someone else might hang around long enough to spend. Everyone likes to join a crowd even if they don't even know why the crowd is there.
~Carmen~
11-07-2021, 05:16 PM
This is one of mine biggest pet peeves next to 'hi' for attention then immediately leave. Sometimes it's connection issue but a lot of times they're just straight up rude. I don't say hi first unless they're regulars. If they just stared I will kick. Some will come right back and do it all over. They'll quickly won't be able to do so in my room. I do not like or want to be stared at in sillence. I hate that awkward feeling like I'm an animal at the fucking zoo.
I have a preset that I spam with the words 'tv channel' (I stole from Carmen):
'Do NOT stare in slience. I am NOT a tv channel!' or 'Please don't say 'hi' for attention then immediately leave. Just leave in SILENCE is PREFERRED!'.
It can't get any clearer than that. If they failed at reading = BLOCKED. I just don't have patience for stupidity or fuckery.
I feel flattered that you stole my phrase sis. Sometimes they reply "I'm just browsing."
Go browse somewhere else. I like a man who knows what he wants.
Luci Fer
11-07-2021, 05:42 PM
If they just stared I will kick. Some will come right back and do it all over. They'll quickly won't be able to do so in my room. I do not like or want to be stared at in sillence. I hate that awkward feeling like I'm an animal at the fucking zoo.
Saaame. If you don't wanna communicate, go watch porn, and it's free!
Marina Starr
11-07-2021, 06:09 PM
https://i.ibb.co/pw7xfnL/215e9c6e3999be9bdcb77077323f2277.gif (https://imgbb.com/)
Saaame. If you don't wanna communicate, go watch porn, and it's free!
looklovely
11-07-2021, 06:49 PM
I feel flattered that you stole my phrase sis. Sometimes they reply "I'm just browsing."
Go browse somewhere else. I like a man who knows what he wants.
When I get impatient and others are tipping, I kick them. I've had a few return saying "I was reading your profile." Odd, especially if they've been in my room a couple of times prior. But the "Just browsing." I never make 1 cent from them, and kick them.
Luci Fer
11-07-2021, 06:55 PM
When I get impatient and others are tipping, I kick them. I've had a few return saying "I was reading your profile." Odd, especially if they've been in my room a couple of times prior. But the "Just browsing." I never make 1 cent from them, and kick them.
oh look, they must be librarians! I have these 'readers' too. I always wonder, why you read it if I am sitting right in front of you online and you can totally ask me the things you are interested in?
'just browsing' type - instant kick lol. Go browse somewhere else! (and I guess they go to you, looklovely ;D )
~Carmen~
11-07-2021, 10:57 PM
oh look, they must be librarians! I have these 'readers' too. I always wonder, why you read it if I am sitting right in front of you online and you can totally ask me the things you are interested in?
'just browsing' type - instant kick lol. Go browse somewhere else! (and I guess they go to you, looklovely ;D )
Librarians;D;D;D;D;D You're too much Luci!
anonamiss
11-08-2021, 02:01 AM
When I get impatient and others are tipping, I kick them. I've had a few return saying "I was reading your profile." Odd, especially if they've been in my room a couple of times prior. But the "Just browsing." I never make 1 cent from them, and kick them.
oh look, they must be librarians! I have these 'readers' too. I always wonder, why you read it if I am sitting right in front of you online and you can totally ask me the things you are interested in?
'just browsing' type - instant kick lol. Go browse somewhere else! (and I guess they go to you, looklovely ;D )
it is fascinating to me that there are models that mock guys for actually reading profiles? like what? o.O
i wish more guys took the time. the ones that actually read mine either leave on their own accord because they realize we wouldn't be a good fit (which is great, no need for me to waste my time or theirs), or they use something on my profile as a conversation starter that leads to a show.
and as far as "just browsing" goes, i get that a lot of those guys generally don't spend but i also don't understand how anyone expects a guy to automatically know "what he wants" with you, if he's never watched you before or read your profile to know what you like/don't do etc... plus lots of guys browse to find a girl with a personality they like, not just who has the most attractive screenshot or whatever. unless they just lurk you from the main page how else are they going to gauge if they want to do a show with a model if they don't "browse"?
~Carmen~
11-08-2021, 02:25 AM
We all have our own ways. I don't think any of them are wrong.
I don't have a problem with reading profiles but at least say hello first and tell me you're going to read it, instead of just sitting there. I find that rude. That's what bothers me.
anonamiss
11-08-2021, 02:40 AM
We all have our own ways. I don't think any of them are wrong.
I don't have a problem with reading profiles but they should least say hello first and tell me you're going to read it, instead of just sitting there. I find that rude. That's what bothers me.
Yeah that's fair. I do call out silent guys like "hey are you gonna say hi or just stare?" Because I agree it is rude. I just never use the kick button unless a guy goes private without asking. I feel like it's rude on my part to kick a guy out in free chat for being quiet before trying to get their attention/make them talk. And then if they don't respond after multiple attempts I just block them lol (or they leave on their own first, which is what usually happens)
bobsandvangene
11-08-2021, 05:03 AM
Is anyone else finding it morbidly dead? I have hardly any potentials and I'm going to scream into the abyss if one more person comes into my show and sits and says absolutely nothing.
Yeah that's fair. I do call out silent guys like "hey are you gonna say hi or just stare?" Because I agree it is rude. I just never use the kick button unless a guy goes private without asking. I feel like it's rude on my part to kick a guy out in free chat for being quiet before trying to get their attention/make them talk. And then if they don't respond after multiple attempts I just block them lol (or they leave on their own first, which is what usually happens)
I realized that my patience is less than 0 LOL. I kick off if they are silent. I wait 3min average tho! Many come back straight to a pvt or tip/exclusive.
If they ask which year I m lol. Or my name. There is my age on the screen I mean why care about. It's like you are or just you act ..... :p I would be more patient tbh nopeeeee
I think that this little patience cost me some cheap clients eheh bc the best they are not ask questions like this. In my experience they ask for show's details or jump on straight. I prefer to spend my energy on good ones. Others just sucks your energy for small talk!!
Yesterday I was in pvt with one client since 9min, another one jumped on and asked to see my booty. The 9min's one he was about to cum and asked to sucks his cock. I must say to the last one to wait, he left and I got 1star. He wait 30sec. I mean I found it unfair and difficult to avoid!!
How you would react in this kind of situation?? I felt frustrated bc I like to make them happy but lol you can not Always. At least not to all. ???
JGB2009
11-08-2021, 05:45 AM
When guys come in and just sit in my room I go on break for a few seconds then come back. Before I got the break button I would just log off and log back on. Usually when I do this they either leave for good, come back and talk, or go private.
SapphireXO
11-08-2021, 06:40 AM
Laurielegs suggested organic coconut oil in this thread, and that works so well! It helps prevent yeast infection as well, as it has an antibacterial effect. In the long run it's cheaper than the regular lube, and I struggled a lot with yeast infection before but ever since I've been using coconut oil, I haven't had this problem. It's definitely worth trying. :)
Oh goodness. Another model I know got TERRIBLE recurring BV from coconut oil as lube. I always recommend something pH balanced.
Marina Starr
11-08-2021, 07:40 AM
https://i.ibb.co/1ZqjzTt/giphy-1.gif (https://imgbb.com/)
We all have our own ways. I don't think any of them are wrong.
I don't have a problem with reading profiles but at least say hello first and tell me you're going to read it, instead of just sitting there. I find that rude. That's what bothers me.
bobsandvangene
11-08-2021, 07:46 AM
Also, I was wondering what the heck the numbers next to some clients name means? Some have no number, some have a 1 or a 2? Does anyone know? Thanks x
Marina Starr
11-08-2021, 07:47 AM
Privates are group shows, first come first serve. I do things basic stuff that every guy in the show have something to jerk to. No specific requests or do this, do that while I'm in the middle of performing. Last ones joining the show always bark orders. If you don't do it right away, they leave or rate poorly. My profile says do not rush me and requests in exclusive only. Bad ratings will be removed. Not my fault they're cheap or can't read.
Yesterday I was in pvt with one client since 9min, another one jumped on and asked to see my booty. The 9min's one he was about to cum and asked to sucks his cock. I must say to the last one to wait, he left and I got 1star. He wait 30sec. I mean I found it unfair and difficult to avoid!!
How you would react in this kind of situation?? I felt frustrated bc I like to make them happy but lol you can not Always. At least not to all. ???
JustMilfnAround
11-08-2021, 08:34 AM
Laurielegs suggested organic coconut oil in this thread, and that works so well! It helps prevent yeast infection as well, as it has an antibacterial effect. In the long run it's cheaper than the regular lube, and I struggled a lot with yeast infection before but ever since I've been using coconut oil, I haven't had this problem. It's definitely worth trying. :)
I make my own lube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B95ZIBr-JKw&t=130s
I also use a syringe to actually inject it into my vagina when I am camming (off cam of course) because due to my age dryness is a MAJOR issue! I actually figured this out because I started to get a lot of UTI's and yeast infections when I would use commercial lube and I also wanted to save money. You can also dial it in on your own to suit your preference, more oily - more watery - etc... Using distilled water is important too!
It also is SUPER CHEAP to make and MUST be refrigerated!!!!
roseforarose
11-08-2021, 08:34 AM
oh look, they must be librarians! I have these 'readers' too. I always wonder, why you read it if I am sitting right in front of you online and you can totally ask me the things you are interested in?
'just browsing' type - instant kick lol. Go browse somewhere else! (and I guess they go to you, looklovely ;D )
Honestly I get annoyed when guys ask me a bunch of questions instead of reading my damn profile! I think 95% of the guys who do the 'I was just reading your profile' thing are just ...weird tbh, want attention or something. Even if they were reading they could stop to type quickly lol.
Sidenote: can guys tell if we kick them, do they get a message? I used to have people come back with excuses after I kick them, o to but now they come back and just say they were disconnected? Like no...I kicked you lol
roseforarose
11-08-2021, 08:37 AM
Also, I was wondering what the heck the numbers next to some clients name means? Some have no number, some have a 1 or a 2? Does anyone know? Thanks x
I believe it's about how much they've spent. Idk how much each number means, but blank means they've spent nothing or very little. 1 is usually some tips or a quick show, etc. The higher the number the more they've spent
SapphireXO
11-08-2021, 10:31 AM
Also, I was wondering what the heck the numbers next to some clients name means? Some have no number, some have a 1 or a 2? Does anyone know? Thanks x
This was on the CamGirlProblems Reddit discord group...
What do the numbers by users names mean?
The number indicates what tier tipper they are, based on how much they have spent.
5 - Over $10000
4 - $2500.01 – $10000
3 - $500.01 – $2500
2 - $100.01 – $500
1 - $5 – $100
Miss_ShaSha
11-08-2021, 11:07 AM
it is fascinating to me that there are models that mock guys for actually reading profiles? like what? o.O
i wish more guys took the time. the ones that actually read mine either leave on their own accord because they realize we wouldn't be a good fit (which is great, no need for me to waste my time or theirs), or they use something on my profile as a conversation starter that leads to a show.
and as far as "just browsing" goes, i get that a lot of those guys generally don't spend but i also don't understand how anyone expects a guy to automatically know "what he wants" with you, if he's never watched you before or read your profile to know what you like/don't do etc... plus lots of guys browse to find a girl with a personality they like, not just who has the most attractive screenshot or whatever. unless they just lurk you from the main page how else are they going to gauge if they want to do a show with a model if they don't "browse"?
I'm a Domme & prefer respectful fellas that say hello & then comment on profile.
I usually ask the silent ones if they're reading my profile. But legit, you can read my profile in less than 30 sec it's so succinct.
Miss_ShaSha
11-08-2021, 11:10 AM
This was on the CamGirlProblems Reddit discord group...
What do the numbers by users names mean?
The number indicates what tier tipper they are, based on how much they have spent.
5 - Over $10000
4 - $2500.01 – $10000
3 - $500.01 – $2500
2 - $100.01 – $500
1 - $5 – $100
Yeah, I had a whale become level 4 in 2 weeks :D
Miss_ShaSha
11-08-2021, 11:12 AM
Honestly I get annoyed when guys ask me a bunch of questions instead of reading my damn profile! I think 95% of the guys who do the 'I was just reading your profile' thing are just ...weird tbh, want attention or something. Even if they were reading they could stop to type quickly lol.
Sidenote: can guys tell if we kick them, do they get a message? I used to have people come back with excuses after I kick them, o to but now they come back and just say they were disconnected? Like no...I kicked you lol
Yes, "you were" booted" by model" lololllll
looklovely
11-08-2021, 12:07 PM
I'm a Domme & prefer respectful fellas that say hello & then comment on profile.
I usually ask the silent ones if they're reading my profile. But legit, you can read my profile in less than 30 sec it's so succinct.
I don't believe the were reading my profile, I think it's a game to make me feel bad for kicking them. They weren't reading my profile for 5-10 minutes. There's hardly anything on it. I totally agree with you.
Marina Starr
11-08-2021, 01:06 PM
Ding, ding, ding-bingo!
Same for the ones that say they were just about to go pvt or tips but now they won't becauses you kick them out, lmaooooooooooo.
https://i.ibb.co/tDLg13W/200.gif (https://imgbb.com/)
I don't believe the were reading my profile, I think it's a game to make me feel bad for kicking. They weren't reading my profile for 5-10 minutes. There's hardly anything on it. I totally agree with you.
Luci Fer
11-08-2021, 04:40 PM
it is fascinating to me that there are models that mock guys for actually reading profiles? like what? o.O
i wish more guys took the time. the ones that actually read mine either leave on their own accord because they realize we wouldn't be a good fit (which is great, no need for me to waste my time or theirs), or they use something on my profile as a conversation starter that leads to a show.
and as far as "just browsing" goes, i get that a lot of those guys generally don't spend but i also don't understand how anyone expects a guy to automatically know "what he wants" with you, if he's never watched you before or read your profile to know what you like/don't do etc... plus lots of guys browse to find a girl with a personality they like, not just who has the most attractive screenshot or whatever. unless they just lurk you from the main page how else are they going to gauge if they want to do a show with a model if they don't "browse"?
It depends. I don't mind them to read my profile, actually it's great. But these who claim they are in process of reading it actually sit silently there until you poke them lol When they explain, I give them time and then ask which is their favourite part of my profile. Nobody of these readers could say anything, actually, usually they start to ask 'do you do this and that?' or just leave. So...idk. I smell bullshit. ;D So I just concluded that profiles were great for the times when I was offline - guys find it, read it and add me in favs to talk to me when I am on.
Also I don't expect them to automatically know what he wants with me, I agree, it's crazy. But that's what the free chat is for:) I like convos.
Luci Fer
11-08-2021, 04:46 PM
Honestly I get annoyed when guys ask me a bunch of questions instead of reading my damn profile! I think 95% of the guys who do the 'I was just reading your profile' thing are just ...weird tbh, want attention or something. Even if they were reading they could stop to type quickly lol.
I really like it how different we all are:)
anonamiss
11-08-2021, 09:36 PM
last night was amazing, tonight is deader than dead. at least they'll average each other out but damn. so disheartening.
someone mentioned monday night football but how late does that go?
anonamiss
11-08-2021, 10:21 PM
i got disconnected and can't reconnect, ugh.
FloridaSunDoll
11-09-2021, 01:08 AM
Damn the trolls are out in droves tonight. Like one after another after another. Luckily I’m in a pretty good mood so they don’t get any pleasure
When they ask the " anal dirty thing " ... and previously to jump on the show ask if my booty is full :p okkkay can not be sure ahah so I should say oh yes .. instead being honest saying how I can know? Sorry I can't guarantee omg. They leave but ohhh how I should manage this in a business money maker way but keep some honesty*??? Eheh *guess with can keep that :) ty
kinkydirtybitch
11-09-2021, 05:32 AM
When they ask the " anal dirty thing " ... and previously to jump on the show ask if my booty is full :p okkkay can not be sure ahah so I should say oh yes .. instead being honest saying how I can know? Sorry I can't guarantee omg. They leave but ohhh how I should manage this in a business money maker way but keep some honesty*??? Eheh *guess with can keep that :) tyIt's not a storage area honey but sometimes when you go to the zoo, animals are there so lets see shall we :p
The ones who taken a show come back with saying help me out no money today HOW THEY ARE NOT ASHAMED? watch porno instead for free without asking here. So I would block them. An exclusive $3 and ask for it then. I meaaaaan some dignity. Lost and horny
It's not a storage area honey but sometimes when you go to the zoo, animals are there so lets see shall we :p
I understood a better way to deal with. Thank you so much!!!!!
Marina Starr
11-09-2021, 12:09 PM
Feeling ashamed is not possible when they're entitled after spending just a few dollars. I tell them I'm not a non-profit hoe. I do not donate time, attention or my body. The show stops when they ran out of money. They wouldn't go to Starbucks and say 'I can only afford basic iced coffee today, can you help me out with a fancier drink such as a handcrafted pumpkin spice latte?' lmaooooo
The ones who taken a show come back with saying help me out no money today HOW THEY ARE NOT ASHAMED? watch porno instead for free without asking here. So I would block them. An exclusive $3 and ask for it then. I meaaaaan some dignity. Lost and horny
looklovely
11-09-2021, 01:55 PM
I received direct deposit from Mass pay, today for last weeks payment.
There was a mix up on Mass Pay's end, they had my old email address which is odd since I haven't used it in years.
I didn't receive the payment email until Friday afternoon and transferred funds to my checking.
Question: Do I need to transfer the funds EVERY week? I'm tempted to return to ACH, with the $5 fee due to being automatic.