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hotmodel
10-10-2022, 05:07 AM
The biggest red flag is that their ID numbers change.

The pattern to watch for are clients that do long exclusives, often maxing out their limit, and leaving a big tip at the end. Then they'll return, same day or next day, and do it again. They may have the same name, but you'll be able to see they have different account numbers. If they change their name and keep the same account, they still may be pulling something (or could just be a stalker), but its harder to determine.

During these exclusives, they may be chatty or ask for some token show, but generally act like they don't care what you do.

There's also the pattern where you'll be sitting there and suddenly guys will drop in your room, drop huge tips, and just leave...and then it may happen again and again.

These guys are burning stolen credit cards for whatever reason. Nobody sits there for weeks maxing out their credit cards for you - even legit addicts have reasonable limits.

Report it immediately to the site. There's no downside if you obviously didn't collude with the client AND you report immediately when the red flags are set off. Always report if the same guy (or type of quiet guy) shows up with a different name or account.

If the guy is a legit whale, the sites will already know and clear him. You'll then know he's safe going forward. Legit whales have no issues confirming their info. If they're a fraudster, you saved yourself a lot of future trouble.

No matter how tempting, never collude with them. How it works is that you're the one left holding the bag. The site knows who YOU are, but they don't know who he is. Guess which one is easier to make the case against legally?

About 2-3 years ago, this was really common and we got burned once pretty hard. After that, the patterns were fairly easy to spot.

Hi Katy,

I just noticed that the second hacker I got on streamate (which I think was the same one from before...i'm not sure but part of his story line was similar). I reported because after he hit his limit in exclusive, he tried to come back in free chat saying he wanted to go exclusive again and it was because his hotel wifi was spotty that he was kicked out. But I knew he hit his limit so I knew he was lying and it immediately raised red flags and I logged out and reported him to streamate. I did just notice that he sent me 10.00 gold after that exclusve through the streamate messenger and sure enough, his ID numbers were changed but the name was the same! So, he was going to try to come back in with the same name but different ID number! Thank you for this helpful information! I'm so frustrated because I don't want to get into trouble with streamate and I want to know what to look for but I feel like theres not much to look for. So, this was helpful!

The weird thing is...the first hacker's name and ID number never changed. I didn't know of this hacking stuff yet and that I needed to stay alert but he came back in three times and hit his limit. The weird thing is the name and ID numbers never changed! He also used cam2cam with sound! Which I thought that was crazy because if your hacker wouldn't you want to not do that? I don't know but looking back at that first hacker...there would have been no red flags. Throughout all my years of camming...Ive had guys hit limits the same day and come back in and just hang and chat. These are my biggest spenders. Plus, ive had big tips just for goddess worship (stuff like that). So, all these things don't really help alert me. Streamate ended up banning my model account but did an investigation and realized I did not know the hacker. I guess this hacker is well known on the site and does this all the time and thats what saved me. Also, if you watched the sessions between me and him....I was getting to know him (whats your name etc).

After all of this, i'm wondering if I should just not allow any new member in with me the second time around within a 24 hour time frame after he hit his limit. I'm thinking just report the member to play it safe then give it 24 hours (I feel like streamate looks into this pretty fast and if it is a hacker...they will ban him) and if he comes back after 24 hours and no name or ID number has changed, then we are ok? What do you think of this idea? I've been so stressed on this situation. Its making me not even want to work the platform anymore which sucks cause I love streamate. Thanks again for all your help!

KatyBoleyn
10-10-2022, 06:18 AM
If you report it immediately, then you're generally covered with what happens after. It doesn't mean the money is good, so you're still risking wasting your time or doing a show for nothing, but they shouldn't suspend you for that. If the ID is changed, it's almost always a bad thing. Tell them they need to come back with their original account.

hotmodel
10-10-2022, 06:38 AM
If you report it immediately, then you're generally covered with what happens after. It doesn't mean the money is good, so you're still risking wasting your time or doing a show for nothing, but they shouldn't suspend you for that. If the ID is changed, it's almost always a bad thing. Tell them they need to come back with their original account.

ok cool...thank you for that help! I appreciate it lots =)

JustMilfnAround
10-10-2022, 10:43 AM
I'm in no fucking mood:

57709

Via Flaminia
10-10-2022, 10:58 AM
Hi does anyone use an m2 macbook air for streaming on streamate? Does it work well with sm? Looking for a new laptop and haven't used a mac for streaming on there before. (Currently using a 11th gen i5 16gb Lenovo) Would love any feedback! Thanks!

Hi, I use a MacBook Air (M1, 2020), purchased 11 mos ago. It's been great on SM, never even heard the cooling fan while streaming- an issue in past years with my old i5 mac book, but I know tech has improved all around. The only time I've had the cooling fan come on is when I play Roblox for more than 30 min, fan works well but I stop and give the laptop a break.

I'm sure the M2 rocks as well.

I have the Logitech c920 camera and a light ring plugged in. Helps with my sags, bags and drags, haha.

I use the SM Encoder and seamless so far. Hopefully this helps you.

KittenGirl
10-10-2022, 01:50 PM
I'm in no fucking mood:

57709


OMG LOOLOLLLOLOLL!!! What the hell??!!! I'm so sorry you had to deal with that! Tell that fucker you charge 20g to read DMs

arielloves
10-10-2022, 01:52 PM
Hi, I use a MacBook Air (M1, 2020), purchased 11 mos ago. It's been great on SM, never even heard the cooling fan while streaming- an issue in past years with my old i5 mac book, but I know tech has improved all around. The only time I've had the cooling fan come on is when I play Roblox for more than 30 min, fan works well but I stop and give the laptop a break.

I'm sure the M2 rocks as well.

I have the Logitech c920 camera and a light ring plugged in. Helps with my sags, bags and drags, haha.

I use the SM Encoder and seamless so far. Hopefully this helps you.


thank you!!!! :)

DivineMissDeviant
10-10-2022, 01:56 PM
I'm in no fucking mood:

57709


I like to use the sarcasm of Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons for messages like these.

"Allow me to summarise the proposed transaction. You desire a private show for free. A private show that would normally cost $x per minute. Total profit to me - zero. Oh, I don't need to make a profit. It's yours, take it! Since we are unfamiliar with sarcasm, I shall at this point tell you to fuck off and block your freeloading ass from ever tarnishing my cam room again."

JustMilfnAround
10-10-2022, 02:26 PM
I like to use the sarcasm of Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons for messages like these.

"Allow me to summarise the proposed transaction. You desire a private show for free. A private show that would normally cost $x per minute. Total profit to me - zero. Oh, I don't need to make a profit. It's yours, take it! Since we are unfamiliar with sarcasm, I shall at this point tell you to fuck off and block your freeloading ass from ever tarnishing my cam room again."

That's hilarious! I'm LMAO while I'm streaming :)

Erika_Xstacy
10-10-2022, 03:48 PM
I totally missed the persons ID but complimented me and asked me to pull my hair back to see my beauty ..... lol my dumbass was doing it and realized my face dead ass in front of the camera so i dropped my hair
we look into the cam all the time , i pin my hair back in paid chat for one customer
but
don't pull your hair back and look directly into the cam
i feel like its a safety issue
don't quote me, im just saying ... :D

anonamiss
10-10-2022, 08:15 PM
^^
sorry can you elaborate? what is the safety issue about putting your hair up while looking into the cam??

edit: i removed the quote bc you asked not to be quoted lol but i'm still curious

moneybags
10-10-2022, 08:56 PM
I can confirm my old Mac book air held up just fine 40 hours a week. I would get a pro if you can swing it, but the air is pretty solid for work and school. Macs hold their value too.

Horny
10-11-2022, 05:23 AM
I have had the worst most bizarre two shifts ever today and yesterday like 0 for hours? Is there a glitch?

JessRyan
10-11-2022, 07:45 AM
If you report it immediately, then you're generally covered with what happens after. It doesn't mean the money is good, so you're still risking wasting your time or doing a show for nothing, but they shouldn't suspend you for that. If the ID is changed, it's almost always a bad thing. Tell them they need to come back with their original account.

Here's a question. Say I have a member: "sammy" & he's taken me private over the last year has a #2 or #3 next to his name & then he's having to get a new ID# would the #2 or #3 stay with him?
I'm thinking of leaving notes on as many of my guys, because it's my understanding the notes remain after name changes.
I'm just curious about the ID # and the member level $

waogtrain
10-11-2022, 12:41 PM
I was on for an hour earlier and barely anyone came into my room. I'm back online again but no cam rooms are loading for me right now. It just says oops something went wrong. Is this happening for anyone else?

Panthera
10-11-2022, 12:43 PM
I was on for an hour earlier and barely anyone came into my room. I'm back online again but no cam rooms are loading for me right now. It just says oops something went wrong. Is this happening for anyone else?

Same here. I came here to see if I was the only one. Glad I'm not but sad that this is happening.

I am online but my Potentials are 0, and my bitrate fluctuates from green to yellow to red and back. Ugh!

Susperia
10-11-2022, 12:44 PM
Site is glitching. No one in my room for 10 minutes checked myself and it said "Oops something went wrong" and I clicked on other models and same thing.

waogtrain
10-11-2022, 12:45 PM
Same here. I came here to see if I was the only one. Glad I'm not but sad that this is happening.

I am online but my Potentials are 0, and my bitrate fluctuates from green to yellow to red and back. Ugh!

Oof, I was hoping to recoup some hours today since I couldn't get on yesterday. Will try again later.

KittenGirl
10-11-2022, 01:03 PM
Man I don't mean to add to the negativity of this thread but damn. Damn damn damn. I can tolerate a lower pay. I'm not gonna complain about a 50% cut in revenue when so many others aren't as lucky. But it's the quality of traffic I'm dealing with that is really testing my patience lately. Even if my pay drops to $30 an hour I'm still gonna feel blessed. But this fucking traffic these last two weeks is absolutely unsettling. The way these men are acting is fucking weird. In my 10+ years of camming I have never seen traffic acting this fucking weird and odd.

KittenGirl
10-11-2022, 01:15 PM
Here's a question. Say I have a member: "sammy" & he's taken me private over the last year has a #2 or #3 next to his name & then he's having to get a new ID# would the #2 or #3 stay with him?
I'm thinking of leaving notes on as many of my guys, because it's my understanding the notes remain after name changes.
I'm just curious about the ID # and the member level $

I honestly don't know the answer to that question. I'm sure discord server would have the answer :)

Erika_Xstacy
10-11-2022, 01:49 PM
Here's a question. Say I have a member: "sammy" & he's taken me private over the last year has a #2 or #3 next to his name & then he's having to get a new ID# would the #2 or #3 stay with him?
I'm thinking of leaving notes on as many of my guys, because it's my understanding the notes remain after name changes.
I'm just curious about the ID # and the member level $



yes to the notes stay the same after the member name changes
if the member number changes that is a whole new account and there is
no notes
no member level
no history

i think Katy is referring to the member coming back under a new member number with the same name being a red flag for fraud

Recently i had a member that has gotten shows forever, big spender
he went into a models room and got a private .. stand there and he looks at you lol
I am sure she reported him for fraud bc he came back w a new acct same name and when i asked him wtf?
He was saying he had to talk to support and they made him get a new acct
he lost all member bonus points

all notes, member level, history gone

Erika_Xstacy
10-11-2022, 01:56 PM
^^
sorry can you elaborate? what is the safety issue about putting your hair up while looking into the cam??

edit: i removed the quote bc you asked not to be quoted lol but i'm still curious

lol bc ive always been told not to
the person on the other end can get a snapshot to use facial recognition to get into accounts or make new accounts

its the putting my hair back that weirded me bc in my head as Im doing it a voice came on ...thats full face he must be up to some shit lolol so I put it all in front of my face and said go private lolol.. he probably thought I was a weirdo}:D

Thats why i said don't quote me bc i probably believe some bullshit that isnt true :D

Esixxx
10-11-2022, 02:08 PM
After I read your post- that sent my mind down a rabbit hole lol

You know with all the technology about deep fakes- got me to thinking maybe I should wear wigs on cam :D

____________________________________
Edit: I am not but my mind went there for a minute

KittenGirl
10-11-2022, 02:19 PM
One more thing:

I don't know where I can vent so I'm sorry if it's not suppose to be here...

But I started charging more because men wanted me to do extreme stuff. It was good for a while then it dropped. Men literally refuse to stay longer than 2 minutes. I tried dropping my prices thinking it would encourage them to stay longer but I barely get my clothes off and lay down and they're leaving. I'm so sick of getting men being like "Take that big dick up your ass" and I say "okay baby but I haven't been warmed up yet so let me play with my asshole for you for a second while I lube it up"
And they leave. Literally. Who can fucking take a 13" dick up their ass really hard in 10 seconds?!

Erika_Xstacy
10-11-2022, 02:20 PM
^^^^ lmao

I was taking pics of myself trying to log into all my accounts
it didnt work lol

i am alone in my room a lot.. does it show? :D

kamiliam
10-11-2022, 03:00 PM
lol bc ive always been told not to
the person on the other end can get a snapshot to use facial recognition to get into accounts or make new accounts

its the putting my hair back that weirded me bc in my head as Im doing it a voice came on ...thats full face he must be up to some shit lolol so I put it all in front of my face and said go private lolol.. he probably thought I was a weirdo}:D

Thats why i said don't quote me bc i probably believe some bullshit that isnt true :D


I have these thoughts every time I do any facial scan. HATE IT SO MUCH, someone out there is doing all that scamming if it’s not our scanner that does it. Awful technology

DivineMissDeviant
10-11-2022, 03:09 PM
After I read your post- that sent my mind down a rabbit hole lol

You know with all the technology about deep fakes- got me to thinking maybe I should wear wigs on cam :D

____________________________________
Edit: I am not but my mind went there for a minute

Which is exactly what I do. I look nothing like my Professional character to protect my identity.

MelanieJ
10-11-2022, 06:05 PM
The site is fucked tonight, I didn't even bother logging on.

Rooms not loading after selecting, error messages, and disconnects all over the place.

izshadow
10-11-2022, 07:13 PM
The site is fucked tonight, I didn't even bother logging on.

Rooms not loading after selecting, error messages, and disconnects all over the place.

Ughhhhhh gosh, thats not good. I wanted to log in around midnight for a couple hours but I dont want to waste my freaking time either with site glitches as big as that one.

Genoveve
10-11-2022, 07:26 PM
Ughhhhhh gosh, thats not good. I wanted to log in around midnight for a couple hours but I dont want to waste my freaking time either with site glitches as big as that one.

Log on. There's so many times where people are complaining about all the glitches or dead traffic and meanwhile I'm having no glitches and traffic is fine. Happens the other way around too.

izshadow
10-11-2022, 07:28 PM
Log on. There's so many times where people are complaining about all the glitches or dead traffic and meanwhile I'm having no glitches and traffic is fine. Also happens the other way around too.

Okay, I was refreshing this page hoping to see someone say that!

izshadow
10-11-2022, 08:52 PM
So I signed on and it says I'm at 4 stars but it has been almost 48 hours since my final 5 rating that I needed to get bumped back up to 5 stars. And yes all ratings have been in 90 days and by different guys. Do I have to contact support or give it another day? Usually I see the change in 24 hours.....

arielloves
10-12-2022, 12:31 AM
Thanks for your help with the macbook ladies. I'm a bit conflicted right now with show pricing. I've been with sm for 5 years now and never lowered my price. I've increased it two dollars every year and am sitting at 7.99/9.99. I have really good placement but even with that it's been so slow the last two months that I'm considering lowering it to 5.99/6.99. I'm make half of what I usually would per hour. Has anyone else had any luck with lowering or is it just not even worth it? Thanks ladies!

MelanieJ
10-12-2022, 03:26 AM
There's no harm in experimenting. It may work to lower your rates, or it may not. That's one thing that's cool about Streamate is the option to change rates easily.

arielloves
10-12-2022, 03:46 AM
There's no harm in experimenting. It may work to lower your rates, or it may not. That's one thing that's cool about Streamate is the option to change rates easily.

I lowered it for 5 minutes and raised it back to my normal rates and actually got good customers for the first time in weeks afterwards lol. Guess I'll stay at my regular rates for now.

Dreamqueen
10-12-2022, 08:25 AM
One more thing:

I don't know where I can vent so I'm sorry if it's not suppose to be here...

But I started charging more because men wanted me to do extreme stuff. It was good for a while then it dropped. Men literally refuse to stay longer than 2 minutes. I tried dropping my prices thinking it would encourage them to stay longer but I barely get my clothes off and lay down and they're leaving. I'm so sick of getting men being like "Take that big dick up your ass" and I say "okay baby but I haven't been warmed up yet so let me play with my asshole for you for a second while I lube it up"
And they leave. Literally. Who can fucking take a 13" dick up their ass really hard in 10 seconds?!


Yup. It's the same experience for me too.
No matter what I do, most guys never stay longer than 2 minutes. Even regs that have been with me forever stopped buying long shows.
After being on here for 13 years, I've reached my breaking point.

My rent, gas, internet, food, subscription services have all gone up.
It's no longer profitable to sit in a dead room, only to see minute men.

*I realise that lots of models are still doing extremely well, but sadly I'm not one of them.

Chronic illness means that I have to make each moment on cam count, because my energy is limited.
Luckily I've found 2 new replacement jobs, so I can faze out Streamate.

whirlerz
10-12-2022, 10:23 AM
So I signed on and it says I'm at 4 stars but it has been almost 48 hours since my final 5 rating that I needed to get bumped back up to 5 stars. And yes all ratings have been in 90 days and by different guys. Do I have to contact support or give it another day? Usually I see the change in 24 hours.....

I'd contact them, I always contact to get a1 star removed, (they always do it) I know this's different, but it's just as important so.. Good luck!

tashiepuck
10-12-2022, 12:10 PM
Yes! Contest time ! Nothing bettter then end of the month to help
pay bills !!

KittenGirl
10-12-2022, 01:56 PM
Yup. It's the same experience for me too.
No matter what I do, most guys never stay longer than 2 minutes. Even regs that have been with me forever stopped buying long shows.
After being on here for 13 years, I've reached my breaking point.

My rent, gas, internet, food, subscription services have all gone up.
It's no longer profitable to sit in a dead room, only to see minute men.

*I realise that lots of models are still doing extremely well, but sadly I'm not one of them.

Chronic illness means that I have to make each moment on cam count, because my energy is limited.
Luckily I've found 2 new replacement jobs, so I can faze out Streamate.

I'm so sorry about your chronic illness. I have a friend who i have helped get on cam this last year. She just got diagnosed with something and she can only physically handle cam work for like 2 hours before she's beat. So I can only imagine how hard it is for you.

Yeah... unfortunately the men don't realize that we have physical bodies. We're not holographic images of robotics on a screen they can control. Most of what we do in a five minute session, porn stars are getting paid almost $1,000 to do and we walk away with like $10. They also don't understand that we have OTHER clients to serve too.

I'm glad you found something else. I really hope that you can come back sometime to lots of gold and well-paying clients. And I hope you feel better <3

KittenGirl
10-12-2022, 01:57 PM
Yes! Contest time ! Nothing bettter then end of the month to help
pay bills !!

I'm really gonna try this time!! Thanks for the heads up!

VVV
10-13-2022, 06:08 AM
so i am wondering when i could take 7days off 10days next year for a nose surgery ... february around ST valentine is a bad idea?, so there is some contest if you remember around february march... it is just 7days however i would fit when there is less potential of good income. o better to do in August? i think May was not the best month?
please help to figure out! thanks

Dreamqueen
10-13-2022, 06:52 AM
I'm so sorry about your chronic illness. I have a friend who i have helped get on cam this last year. She just got diagnosed with something and she can only physically handle cam work for like 2 hours before she's beat. So I can only imagine how hard it is for you.

Yeah... unfortunately the men don't realize that we have physical bodies. We're not holographic images of robotics on a screen they can control. Most of what we do in a five minute session, porn stars are getting paid almost $1,000 to do and we walk away with like $10. They also don't understand that we have OTHER clients to serve too.

I'm glad you found something else. I really hope that you can come back sometime to lots of gold and well-paying clients. And I hope you feel better <3

Thank You for your kind words.:heartbeat
Sorry to hear about your friend. 2 hours, yes.
That's exactly how long I can stay on cam.

The days that I push it, and stay on longer, I pay for it the next few days, and am down for the count.
I'm 63 now, so I don't see my energy increasing as I approach 70.
Modern medicine could advance, but I'm not holding my breath.

I took an early social security payout, and thank God I did.
Just having that cushion every month has taken lots of pressure off of me.

FloridaSunDoll
10-13-2022, 08:52 AM
Does anyone else notice lately that when you send a message to someone’s inbox it takes some time to show up now? Like it used to be instant and now it takes some time to show up on my side..I can only assume it means they’re now vetting and checking our 1 on 1 inbox messages now too

anonamiss
10-13-2022, 09:28 AM
so i am wondering when i could take 7days off 10days next year for a nose surgery ... february around ST valentine is a bad idea?, so there is some contest if you remember around february march... it is just 7days however i would fit when there is less potential of good income. o better to do in August? i think May was not the best month?
please help to figure out! thanks

i don't think there is a universally "bad" week or month that applies to everyone. but a lot of models generally experience the "summer slump" from june to august, when kids are out of school and people are going on more vacations (thus spending less time and money on cam) - so i would probably take your time off sometime during the summer season, but it's hard to be more specific than that since we'll all have different experiences.

you could look back on your earnings from this year and previous years to try to find trends in the dips. like if your income went down during a contest week or near a holiday. if you click on the contest page on the dashboard you can view all the previous contests to get a better prediction of when future ones will happen.

one of the worst times that comes to mind for me personally is memorial day at the end of may, as well as fourth of july. i always get a surge of asshole customers those weekends and there is always a contest.

laurielegs
10-13-2022, 10:55 AM
Yes! Contest time ! Nothing bettter then end of the month to help
pay bills !!

LOL I thought you were being sarcastic but maybe not! Contests nearly always cut my paycheck in half so I hate them, but I know some do well with them but I can't seem to crack it. I need to work a lot next week so I'll be on regardless.


I'm really gonna try this time!! Thanks for the heads up!

I'm glad to see someone has a better attitude about contests than me :)

Maybe I'll be more fortunate this time. I need to be online anyway so I'll at least try to put the minimum hours in.

NitaBaby
10-13-2022, 11:12 AM
I'm genuinely shocked to see people excited for contest week too lmao

Genoveve
10-13-2022, 11:39 AM
Does anyone else notice lately that when you send a message to someone’s inbox it takes some time to show up now? Like it used to be instant and now it takes some time to show up on my side..I can only assume it means they’re now vetting and checking our 1 on 1 inbox messages now too

If I send it and refresh the page it shows that it sent right away.

JustMilfnAround
10-13-2022, 12:44 PM
I've decided to start working other sites if I log into SM and it is too slow. Better than losing a full week of income.....

pippapippa
10-13-2022, 01:37 PM
Is there just zero traffic online for everyone right now? I’ve had one person speak to me in 40 mins.

VVV
10-14-2022, 12:49 AM
i don't think there is a universally "bad" week or month that applies to everyone. but a lot of models generally experience the "summer slump" from june to august, when kids are out of school and people are going on more vacations (thus spending less time and money on cam) - so i would probably take your time off sometime during the summer season, but it's hard to be more specific than that since we'll all have different experiences.

you could look back on your earnings from this year and previous years to try to find trends in the dips. like if your income went down during a contest week or near a holiday. if you click on the contest page on the dashboard you can view all the previous contests to get a better prediction of when future ones will happen.

one of the worst times that comes to mind for me personally is memorial day at the end of may, as well as fourth of july. i always get a surge of asshole customers those weekends and there is always a contest.


thank lot for detailed answered! yes i remember memorial day nightmare traffic last year, i think i found a date thanks LOL i m going to check my income on tthat week! xx