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seicento
10-03-2015, 11:23 AM
And yeah,I'm with you all.Traffic was shit today.
MissNaughty
10-03-2015, 11:49 AM
ended up with 70 odd creds in the end but the traffic today has been total shit ... if it hadnt been for reg popping in 7 hrs with fuk all ... good old regs hey .. x
Kinkybitch
10-03-2015, 11:54 AM
This change that adultwork have made is causing a lot of models to lower their prices. It's sad to see it really is.
MissNaughty
10-03-2015, 12:18 PM
yep thts why its took me so long today too earn what i have got 30p a min cheaper than i normally am heart breaking it really is .... :-(
MissLouiseKay
10-03-2015, 12:55 PM
i spoke to my accountant today (yup hes that good he replies to texts on saturday!) and he told me I get 20% tax relief from the VAT I will pay adultwork, however I am a limited company, so I'm not sure if its the same for self employed or sole traders.
Adultwork has been decent today for me, a positive mental attitude goes a long way on webcam
apryll11
10-03-2015, 04:28 PM
Iam a little confused,who pays the VAT, Is it us or the guys?
sexysusie
10-03-2015, 07:31 PM
Had some tech issues in direct IM with it not telling me people were there, they just started typing out of nowhere! However no one could see what i was typing back to them. Had a couple of privates enter and immediately booted (it said private finished), but they were still typing away and I got paid for it. Again these guys couldn't see what i was writing back to them. i did a bit on webcam as well and just as I was finishing I got a run of 30 mins where nobody could stay in the room, it was all 21p/20p/32p/19p/25p. Very frustrating to have to put up with AW's glitches while we're still reeling from the VAT shock.
sexysusie
10-03-2015, 07:33 PM
Iam a little confused,who pays the VAT, Is it us or the guys?
VAT has been added onto all our rates so when they buy from us they are paying it. However AW are also charging US VAT on the admin fee (20% of 30% admin fee = extra 6% we lose), and all of the services we pay for like featuring, positioning, phone number display, motd etc.
Classy_Katy
10-04-2015, 01:29 AM
Has the skype issue been resolved or are we still being charged VAT for our own shows?
sexysusie
10-04-2015, 06:07 AM
There is VAT on skype too, and referrals.
Classy_Katy
10-04-2015, 06:50 AM
Why are we being charged VAT on Skype on the full cost of our shows? The customer is charged VAT on them too. There has never been a charge to use for using the pre-booking system, unlike the charge for using justcamit, because they do not provide Skype to us.
CatBBW
10-04-2015, 07:51 AM
I made 2 credits yesterday (sat in free for a couple of hours, was logged on for about 10 hours). Have made nothing today yet :(
EDIT - ahhh the power of posting. That's 10 creds I didn't have this morning :)
janeuk
10-04-2015, 12:47 PM
hows everyone finding AW today been logged on for hrs for a poxy 28 creds thought id jump on before the england rugby game started 3 hrs later and still logged on but dead as ... zzzzzzz how you ladies finding today ? x
It's not looking pretty. :( one change I notice is a lot less girls in my category - back to the levels of a few years ago... but it hasn't bounced my income back to the same level. SO GLAD I picked up a second site a couple of months ago. Strange but true AW has been my only site for 5 years up until then.
Classy_Katy
10-04-2015, 10:25 PM
If you've given a skype show and had VAT deducted from your own income, contact AW about it. I contacted them yesterday and typically they thought I was talking about the VAT that the customer pays on our skype shows, I went back to them and said that we are being charged and they just ignored me. I expect this is not meant to be happening!
You should pay VAT on Skype. Bookings through Skype never gave us 100%. It gave us 70% of the amount of credits.
So now there will be 6% added to the 30% fee for the "adultwork payment processor" when you do Skype shows.
So basically, when you do Skype shows only, you almost have the same % left, as on directcam before the VAT crisis.
Classy_Katy
10-05-2015, 03:19 AM
Adultwork have confirmed that only customers should be paying VAT on Skype shows. I always received the amount of earnings for Skype without deduction, there is only the fee for using justcamit. Girls here posted that they were having VAT deducted on the whole value of their skype show...that is what the customer should pay.
Also, we're not paying VAT on referrals, AW says "This is the misconception that VAT is being charged on amounts withdrawn, it isn't. It is being charged on the Admin Fee only. The issue here, maybe, is that the Admin Fee is charged on referrals."
ROSIECAM
10-05-2015, 06:24 AM
Been on line for 8 hours and nothing,been up dating,new photos and so on and nothing,do you think the paying customers are going else where with the new changes.
Absynthe
10-05-2015, 06:26 AM
Same for me as well :(
MessyChick
10-05-2015, 06:32 AM
my first hour was banging!
ROSIECAM
10-05-2015, 09:15 AM
Is direct cam playing up one of my regs can not get on,this on top of it being dead is a joke
MissNaughty
10-05-2015, 09:32 AM
Yep it was last nite they were entering 20 secs later being kicked my reg was going nuts and the fact it was dead as then aswell ... grrrrr can see all the punters fuking off very soon ... dreading getting on later :-( x
princessgaby
10-05-2015, 05:47 PM
Naturally the consumer pays VAT...the issue is that VAT is being charged for our services regardless of whether we earn the threshold of £82,000 or not. Sure "Those earning at the threshold for vat will be able to obtain a statement identifying vat paid and will be able to claim it on their vat returns" but the customer shouldn't have to pay VAT when we are not at that threshold.
It's your services but you're not charging them, AW is, the custies are not paying you as much as you feel like that, they do not share any pay info with you, they pay the site which in turn pays you, in VAT terms it's like you are paid a commission of 65/70% of what they pay the site, you just get to choose what price the site charges your clients.
The scary part is that it has been like that for a long time, the VAT law might have changed now, but i've studied the VAT law like 2/3 years ago when i was learning about taxes for independent contractors and i knew that you do not charge VAT for services to EU businesses (AW is a business) if they are not the final client (the final costumer would be the members).
It's the businesses obligation to charge VAT to the final costumer and then pay you, with VAT already taken out.
As a camgirl you do not deal with VAT unless you do indy and go over the limit for VAT in your country, on your work on camsites the only thing you need if you go over that limit is the site VAT number.
I truly believed that AW being an EU business would be VAT compliant, i just thought they were taking the VAT right in the start when the members bought their credits and not when they were being charged for a show like if the costumer bought 120£ worth of credits they would get £100 to spend on the site.
Now i'm just happy that i've been procrastinating and have not really cammed on that site even if i have a profile there for like over a year, since they were not law abiding.
Now what is making me kind of scratch my head is being charged VAT in the admin fee, the features you buy and marketplace stuff i get it, but the admin fee? :confused:
SM who is VAT complaint for years, as far as a know, does not charge me +20% (yes VAT in my country is more than 20% so i'm even worse than some of you ladies at least) of the 70% cut they take from my gains in their site.
sexysusie
10-05-2015, 08:37 PM
I think it's basically because AW are viewing us (the camgirls) as their 'product' which they are selling, so they charge VAT on US. However from the brief research i've done it seems this may not strictly be legal at all as we are providing these services personally, it's not just recorded video or a dvd etc. We are also independent contractors, most of whom do not earn anywhere near enough to register for VAT. The way I see it is AW now have a massive backlogged VAT bill they have to pay, and they are using US to pay it.
Re directcam yes it is playing up (for some of us). I had free on for a while earlier and absolutely no one in there, then lots of disconnections, freezing when using c2c etc. Overall the new player guys see is very glitchy. AW explained this to me in an email earlier when i complained no one could see me typing in direct IM yesterday. it's not stopping guys spending though so get to it ladies. Oh and RAISE YOUR RATES!!!! I noticed loads of girls have dropped theirs to even less than pre-VAT. YOU DON'T NEED TO - the guys are there and spending! If anything, all the random rates across the board now are making it easier for girls to charge even higher :)
MessyChick
10-06-2015, 02:25 AM
my room has been all newbies this morning. Really anti social non talkative types. Im actually WANTING to do some free chat just to get a bit of interaction.... like what?
pinklemonade0
10-06-2015, 03:17 AM
Funny you mention that susie because I raised my rates because the whole thing pissed me off so much. I then had my best ever day on there - not in terms of minutes but in terms of the pay :).
However, the day after (yesterday) I had so many problems with people wanting to talk and then they kept getting kicked out over and over I made my daily target and then I gave up because I actually was worried it would more likely lose me clients than gain them. i really hope all of this settles down soon.
but!!! i'm still glad that i have my rates at the new thing because it kind of makes up for all of the strife on there.
CatBBW
10-06-2015, 02:00 PM
MUST READ...NEW INFO re VAT and clients verifying ... etc
INTERESTING POST FROM SAAFE (AdultWork section)...
"I emailed a.w about my number being taken down. They referred me to a page, i had to by[sic] credits with a debit card to prove my location. All the clients now have to prove their locations too. So private galleries and movie sales will drop"
I've not investigated the Help files/ToS yet...but if this is true, then ARSE. It would explain A LOT.
EDIT...and on UKPunting, here is confirmation! A guy posted:
"Is this an excuse by adultwork to try an IDtheft/credit card verification scam? I tried to subscribe to a private gallery for 60p and instead got this message:
"Where are you?
You have been brought to this page because it is not possible to identify the country that you are consuming content from. We need to know this so that you're not charged the wrong sales tax.
At the moment prices are being shown to you inclusive of UK VAT at 20% where appropriate. To confirm your location please perform one or more of the following: ..."
It then lists a number of options which are variations of providing ID or card details. The least dangerous was replying to a text message. Has anyone done this method? I am assuming the text message is some sort of premium rate. There is no way I am giving my details to some unknown pimp who is probably working for the Russian mafia, if they try this on with every punter no one is going to use their site."
Oh. Dear. Arse.
LolaLu
10-06-2015, 03:03 PM
OH has had this when trying to go into a my room for free chat then tried a few other girls cam rooms and had the same!
MUST READ...NEW INFO re VAT and clients verifying ... etc
INTERESTING POST FROM SAAFE (AdultWork section)...
"I emailed a.w about my number being taken down. They referred me to a page, i had to by[sic] credits with a debit card to prove my location. All the clients now have to prove their locations too. So private galleries and movie sales will drop"
I've not investigated the Help files/ToS yet...but if this is true, then ARSE. It would explain A LOT.
EDIT...and on UKPunting, here is confirmation! A guy posted:
"Is this an excuse by adultwork to try an IDtheft/credit card verification scam? I tried to subscribe to a private gallery for 60p and instead got this message:
"Where are you?
You have been brought to this page because it is not possible to identify the country that you are consuming content from. We need to know this so that you're not charged the wrong sales tax.
At the moment prices are being shown to you inclusive of UK VAT at 20% where appropriate. To confirm your location please perform one or more of the following: ..."
It then lists a number of options which are variations of providing ID or card details. The least dangerous was replying to a text message. Has anyone done this method? I am assuming the text message is some sort of premium rate. There is no way I am giving my details to some unknown pimp who is probably working for the Russian mafia, if they try this on with every punter no one is going to use their site."
Oh. Dear. Arse.
sexysusie
10-06-2015, 04:38 PM
Oh christ!
CatBBW
10-06-2015, 05:39 PM
Oh christ!
Indeed.
sexysusie
10-06-2015, 07:14 PM
I did ok tonight however guy after guy told me he was having issues with the new player. All took forever to change from 0 BW to something more reasonable, most were booted before they got there, freezing, sound issues, unable to buy credits.... sigh.
pinklemonade0
10-07-2015, 01:09 AM
Mine works on one laptop and not on the other - lol.
This worries me:
Consumer: How do I prove my location for EU VAT purposes.
If you are seeking services, (viewing movies, galleries etc.) and need to prove your location, do one of the following:
1) Buy credits using a credit or debit card via the method denoted by the Site's logo on this page. (Note: credits bought via ClickandBuy will not work.)
2) Upload a recent utility bill or bank/card statement showing your home address.
3) Verify your mobile phone with the Site. (Note: if you subsequently remove your number this info will not be remembered.)
4) Age verify using a credit card or option #3 on this page. (Note: UK users only.)
https://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpmqtlJLIRPpQEU/giphy.gif
I had a regular sending me a message yesterday saying he already verified with his debit card but AW still would not let him watch my videos.
AW told him to ALSO verify uploading a utility bill or bank statement.
Now, the traffic is going to DROP to fucking zero if people now have to upload bills to watch porn.
Not only is it too much hassle, we all know how many men are married, in a relationship they will probably not take the risk.
Plus we already lost all the guys who would text or phone for credits or bought them through other methods. If they are married they do not want AW to show up on a shared bank account.
CatBBW
10-07-2015, 05:55 AM
I've had ZERO movie or PG sales this month so far. Which is very odd, as usually the beginning of the month brings a small flurry before settling down to a trickle. But have had nothing at all since September 30th. I hope it's not related, but I suspect it is :(
ROSIECAM
10-07-2015, 06:02 AM
I've had ZERO movie or PG sales this month so far. Which is very odd, as usually the beginning of the month brings a small flurry before settling down to a trickle. But have had nothing at all since September 30th. I hope it's not related, but I suspect it is :(
I sold two movies on the 2nd Oct but thats all, My room is dead not one person in all day not one not even a ping in then out nothing,
Kinkybitch
10-07-2015, 07:06 AM
I had the thing with country verification when I had a Skype booking from someone. I tried to accept it but aw wouldn't let me and it came up about they couldn't determine the country the user was from.
beauvoir
10-07-2015, 09:30 AM
Am I being charged VAT twice on Skype bookings? wtf.
CatBBW
10-07-2015, 02:02 PM
No hits. NO HITS!!! I've been logged in (no free) for 4 hours, in the first 2 hours I gained about 5 hits, the past 2 hours I have received NO HITS!! This is so unusual, and I am so pissed off, worried, and annoyed that I'm going to have to transfer my efforts elsewhere!
Well over 600 ladies on tonight as well (right now).
seicento
10-07-2015, 02:16 PM
No hits. NO HITS!!! I've been logged in (no free) for 4 hours, in the first 2 hours I gained about 5 hits, the past 2 hours I have received NO HITS!! This is so unusual, and I am so pissed off, worried, and annoyed that I'm going to have to transfer my efforts elsewhere!
Well over 600 ladies on tonight as well (right now).
Over 600 and only 57 in paid right now,does not look good at all!I`ve not had traffic in 2 days and I do free chat .
sexysusie
10-07-2015, 04:22 PM
Anything over 10% is a good indication that there's money to be made. 57 out of 600 is not too bad, and about average for AW. There were more last night and I did the same as usual. In regards to free i think there are definite technical problems as i didn't get ANYONE in my free IM or cam room the last couple of times for the first hour either, then they all came in at once. I emailed AW about it and they said there are teething issues with the new player.
beauvoir
10-07-2015, 05:25 PM
i find mixing up my working hours helps. i know its busy from 6am so i try to make sure im online then, rather than peak times when there are a lot of women on.
pinklemonade0
10-08-2015, 01:22 AM
OMG 6am. i'm impressed.
i'm still having the same thing with people coming into the room and they don't show in the user list, it doesn't tell me when they come in or leave, but i see their typing.
i checked on the discrepency and there still is one, just smaller. so in my chat box it'll say gross pay e.g. £10.00 or whatever after a private and then in my credits statement it will say £9.99 or something like that. it's really annoying. i know it's just a small amount but it's the principle that it changes.
seicento
10-08-2015, 01:35 AM
Anything over 10% is a good indication that there's money to be made. 57 out of 600 is not too bad, and about average for AW. There were more last night and I did the same as usual. In regards to free i think there are definite technical problems as i didn't get ANYONE in my free IM or cam room the last couple of times for the first hour either, then they all came in at once. I emailed AW about it and they said there are teething issues with the new player.
Having tech issues would explain the lack of traffic in my room for the past two days.I checked some rooms and was able to get in so I didn't think about technical stuff.
beauvoir
10-08-2015, 01:39 AM
I think of it as any other job. If I had to commute and be on a train at 5am, then I'd set my alarm and do it. Just because my 'office' is another room in my flat doesn't make a difference. If I think of it in those terms it's easier for me to have an early night, change my sleeping habits and waking/working hours. :) xx
ROSIECAM
10-08-2015, 05:51 AM
Found this on another forum this might help for why its DEAD well dead for me.......
Is this an excuse by adultwork to try an IDtheft/credit card verification scam? I tried to subscribe to a private gallery for 60p and instead got this message:
"Where are you?
You have been brought to this page because it is not possible to identify the country that you are consuming content from. We need to know this so that you're not charged the wrong sales tax.
At the moment prices are being shown to you inclusive of UK VAT at 20% where appropriate. To confirm your location please perform one or more of the following: ..."
It then lists a number of options which are variations of providing ID or card details. The least dangerous was replying to a text message. Has anyone done this method? I am assuming the text message is some sort of premium rate. There is no way I am giving my details to some unknown pimp who is probably working for the Russian mafia, if they try this on with every punter no one is going to use their site.
I got the same, tried the text thing but unless your number is allowed to be used on 18+, it won't work. And to do that with an o2 sim they want credit card details! Er, no!
sexysusie
10-08-2015, 06:11 AM
Yup, that's why guys cannot currently book webcam shows as it asks them to verify their location for VAT purposes!
tropo
10-08-2015, 09:05 AM
VAT has been added onto all our rates so when they buy from us they are paying it. However AW are also charging US VAT on the admin fee (20% of 30% admin fee = extra 6% we lose), and all of the services we pay for like featuring, positioning, phone number display, motd etc.
That would depend on where the customer is located. I'm in Asia, and the rate is showing as my actual rate, not a VAT adjusted one. I wonder if they will take out the VAT when I cash out my credits. I haven't been working, so I'll have to wait to see about that.
tropo
10-08-2015, 09:16 AM
Now what is making me kind of scratch my head is being charged VAT in the admin fee, the features you buy and marketplace stuff i get it, but the admin fee? :confused:
SM who is VAT complaint for years, as far as a know, does not charge me +20% (yes VAT in my country is more than 20% so i'm even worse than some of you ladies at least) of the 70% cut they take from my gains in their site.
Wouldn't the logic be that they are charging us a service/administration fee, for which they must pay 20% VAT, so they decided they will up the fee so we are paying it, not them. They have to pay the 20%, so they decided we must pay 36% administration fee from now on to compensate for their VAT charge. They can charge us any fee they like.
sexysusie
10-08-2015, 11:29 AM
SUCCESS!! :D
Quote:
Hello
Although we have not received advice confirming the situation, due to impending staff absence we have implemented changes to the VAT Details form that meet the guidelines of the UK HMRC Website regarding what constitutes a business.
We trust this meets with your approval.
Regards
The AdultWork.com Team
Input your UTR in on the new box ladies http://www.adultwork.com/VATDetails.asp
Blonde-Ambition
10-08-2015, 01:01 PM
sorry to be dumb, but what's the UTR sexysusie?
x
JodesHu
10-08-2015, 01:21 PM
sorry to be dumb, but what's the UTR sexysusie?
x
Unique tax reference
You are given one by hmrc when you register as self employed/for self assessment.